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Previous Tours => 2011 Mark Knopfler & Bob Dylan Tour => Topic started by: allen on November 18, 2011, 01:06:48 AM

Title: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: allen on November 18, 2011, 01:06:48 AM
C#33 London

AMIT atendees:-  

Marky49, Arabia, Jabbathehut, gavlar, tvm


Set List

What It Is
Cleaning My Gun
Sailing To Philediaphia
Hill Farmer's Blue
Privateering
Sonny Liston
Haul Away
Marbletown
Brothers In Arms
Speedway At Nazareth
So Far Away

Bob Dylan's Set list

1 Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat (Mark on guitar, Bob on keyboard)
2 It's All Over Now, Baby Blue (Bob and Mark on guitar)
3 Things Have Changed (Bob center stage, Mark on guitar)
4 Spirit On The Water (Bob on keyboard and harp)
5 Honest With Me (Bob on guitar)
6 Forgetful Heart (Bob center stage on harp)
7 The Levee's Gonna Break (Bob on keyboard)
8 Man In The Long Black Coat (Bob center stage on harp)
9 Highway 61 Revisited (Bob on keyboard)
10 Desolation Row (Bob on keyboard)
11 Thunder On The Mountain
12 Ballad Of A Thin Man
13 All Along The Watchtower
14 Like A Rolling Stone
(band into)
15 Forever Young (Mark on guitar)
(end of show)
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: gavlar on November 18, 2011, 06:49:18 PM
Secretly hoping MK does the full set with BD as its the final show and there is no runner required...what do ya reckon, wishful thinking?
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: Rollergirl on November 18, 2011, 06:58:04 PM
there is no runner on the Saturday and Sunday either... I can't see that happening. Maybe he'll come back on for the encores, but the whole set, no, I don't think so. Happy to be proven wrong though!  :)
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: arabia on November 18, 2011, 08:32:18 PM
As this is the only show I'm seeing, it's the final night of a splendid tour AND most importantly my birthday  ;D I'm hoping that we get 5 songs with Mark in the beginning of Dylan's set and joint encores. Bob has several songs that Mark could really let loose on to close the tour. Wishful Thinking. :) :)

OK and to add to my dream, Mark doesn't end his portion of the tour with So Far Away From Me, but rather ignites the Apollo crowd with the only SOS of the tour.
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: gavlar on November 18, 2011, 10:19:42 PM
I too wondered whether SOS might get an airing - for Alchemy memories sake! :-)
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: jabbathehut on November 19, 2011, 09:45:28 PM
I am sure they can go till 11pm so maybe mark can do 12 songs and we can finish with everyone on the stage for of rousing knocking on heavens door.
we can only hope
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: Justme on November 19, 2011, 11:16:37 PM
As this is the only show I'm seeing, it's the final night of a splendid tour AND most importantly my birthday  ;D I'm hoping that we get 5 songs with Mark in the beginning of Dylan's set and joint encores. Bob has several songs that Mark could really let loose on to close the tour. Wishful Thinking. :) :)

OK and to add to my dream, Mark doesn't end his portion of the tour with So Far Away From Me, but rather ignites the Apollo crowd with the only SOS of the tour.

Yeah, hope you had a phenomenal birthday! All the best wishes!
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: arabia on November 21, 2011, 07:23:34 PM
Only three short people between me and Mark's mic stand. :)
Shaping up to be an epic birthday.
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: superval99 on November 21, 2011, 07:30:40 PM
Hope you all have a great time tonight - and arabia a great birthday gig!  :D   
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: Rollergirl on November 21, 2011, 07:50:02 PM
Only three short people between me and Mark's mic stand. :)
Shaping up to be an epic birthday.


ask them to move! it's your birthday!  :)
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 21, 2011, 08:26:11 PM
Exciting stuff. Happy birthday.

What a great tour. :)
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: vgonis on November 21, 2011, 09:07:46 PM
Hey Arabia, Happy birthday! It is my older daughter's birthday as well. And a little gift, in case you don't, already, know it. From the Uncut newsletter by head editor Alan Jones:


Uncut      
Uncut
Monday 21st November 2011

Hi there,

I'm not sure what happens on Saturday towards the end of the first night of Bob Dylan's three shows at London's Hammersmith Apollo. Suddenly, though, he's blazing through one of the songs he traditionally reserves for encores, "All Along The Watchtower", with no break between it and the roaring version of "Ballad Of A Thin Man" that normally you'd have expected to be the show's climax, the band then taking a well-deserved bow and a quick break before coming back for one, two or three more songs, further lapping up of the crowd's applause prior to a final wave goodnight, perhaps even a nod from Bob in the general direction of a crowd he otherwise doesn't go too far out of his way to acknowledge. Looking at set lists going back over the last few months, this seems to be the current way with Dylan, playing everything he's going to play without going through the ritual rigmarole of pretending you've done with your evening's work when everyone knows you haven't really finished. I guess if you're bringing down the house, why stop until the roof caves in and all is rubble around you, at which point you make your exit, job done and proverbially dusted.

Anyway, what a hot show this turns out to be. The last couple of times I've seen Dylan have been in fields, at the Hop Farm Festival in 2010 and this summer, on a wet and windy Sunday in Finsbury Park, and the time before that at the O2, where even from reasonable seats Dylan seemed to be playing in a separate postal district. Good as these shows were, Hop Farm particularly, it was a thrill to see Dylan again in a somewhat more intimate setting, more suited than the great outdoors to the kind of roadhouse ruckus you would even more prefer to hear in some sweaty club where the distance between band and audience is even smaller and you can smell the guitar strings burning, a sweet but unlikely dream.

Anyway, Saturday's show is in a high gear from the start, a slutty "Leopard-Skin Pill Box Hat", the first of four songs featuring Mark Knopfler, who'd earlier opened for Dylan, back on stage, joining Charlie Sexton and Stu Kimble on guitars, with Dylan vamping at a suitably stripped-down keyboard set up, behind which, throughout, he jives, hilariously. Knopfler stays on for a wonderfully delivered "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right", illuminated by Donnie Herron's plangent lap steel parts, and a version of "Things Have Changed". The latter is brightly enlivened in its new Tex-Mex arrangement and in the evening's first major surprise is followed by an unexpected, beautifully rolling take on "Mississippi", from "Love And Theft", the first time I've heard it played live.

"Honest With Me", a much less celebrated song from the same album, but a pretty constant part of Dylan's repertoire over the last decade, is then sensationally dispatched, Dylan stalking the front of the stage with a hand-held microphone, like a carnival barker, whipping up the crowd for the appearance of a two-headed woman or some similar eccentricity in a creepy burlesque freak show. The evening's unforgettable twin highlights quickly follow - "The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carol", played as something approaching an austere waltz, with a succession of liquid solos from Sexton and a mournful instrumental coda featuring an extended harmonica and mandolin duet that's quietly sensational. For ages now, one of the pinnacles of Dylan sets has been "High Water", whose place is taken tonight by a similarly dramatic arrangement of "The Ballad Of Hollis Brown". This is truly frightening stuff, whose daunting atmosphere you could describe as supernatural, something spooked and haunted, Dylan's vocal making you shiver like a cold wind coming off a bleak and inhospitable territory, a place of abandoned hope.

It's a relief when Dylan turns then to a tender "Make You Feel My Love", reclaimed from Adele and distinguished by another great guitar solo from Charlie Sexton. The hardy "Highway 61 Revisited" is utterly frantic by comparison and has rarely sounded so exciting, especially during the guitar-keyboard face-off between Sexton and a clearly grooving Dylan. We are returned to more sombre places with a hypnotically-paced "A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall", Herron's mandolin again prominently featured. "Thunder On the Mountain" is splendid, but sounds at times rushed enough to make you think Dylan can't wait to get to grips with what follows, which is a hugely melodramatic "Ballad Of A Thin Man", made quite eerie by the echo on Dylan's vocal, a novelty for Bob.

After this, it's a ceremonial procession through "All Along The Watchtower", Sexton unleashing all the firepower at his disposal over the band's tidal roar, a bruising "Jolene", from Together Through Life, and the inevitable but never unwelcome "Like A Rolling Stone", Dylan and crew heading for the wings, mission accomplished and all that.

Adios for now.

Allan 
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: superval99 on November 21, 2011, 09:22:54 PM
Obviously Allan Jones isn't a Knopfler fan!   I wonder if he even bothered to be there for MK's set!   :-\
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: vgonis on November 21, 2011, 09:39:26 PM
Really no idea, about Allan Jones being a fan. He is quite respected since he's been in the business since the early 70ies, with NME and MM. And truth be told, Uncut is very good. The only mag I buy monthly. (this is not an add. I just can't stand Q, and Word and Mojo are quite good, but a bit expensive and some times repetitive).
Anyway, I can only imagine that DS on their heyday were in the same bag as Genesis (sorry dusty, but not my opinion) and other groups for late baby boomer. Usually music journalists, try to see 10 years ahead, and they miss the good music, in place of "original" (like there is parthenogenesis) and "influential" (that is a big leap of faith) and "revolutionary" (this music is not broadcasted). But really I don't know about Allan Jones' opinion for our man.   
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: superval99 on November 21, 2011, 09:50:06 PM
Even if he's not an MK fan, he could have managed a few words about MK's part of the show!   It just seemed a very one-sided review imo! 
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: arabia on November 21, 2011, 09:59:35 PM
Loved my first Mark show!! Full teview later. :)
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: vgonis on November 21, 2011, 10:16:36 PM
Superval, Allan Jones is the head editor of Uncut. He is sending every couple of weeks a newsletter by mail, that serves both as a more "live" contact with the readers and as a reminder that the new issue is out. In the magazine it could have been the editorial. So his topic here (even though I would like it to be MK and not BD) was BD. As he states MK opens for BD, so it is a side show, not the main attraction. It is odd for us MK fans, because apart from being a double bill, MK is simply fantastic, while BD is BD. But if medieval music with all it's rawness is perceived fine, but heard by few, then the same thing can apply to every art and artist in this world. Maybe it is my inability to get it, but then again I like to listen with my heart and not my mind. ( not exactly, but then again something like that)
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: Pottel on November 21, 2011, 11:00:47 PM
Obviously Allan Jones isn't a Knopfler fan!   I wonder if he even bothered to be there for MK's set!   :-\
why? There's not really a bad word about our man in there, is there?
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: Pottel on November 21, 2011, 11:02:15 PM
Hey, where are all the reviews people?
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: vgonis on November 21, 2011, 11:15:18 PM
Pottel, just forwarded it to your mail.
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: Pottel on November 21, 2011, 11:18:06 PM
Pottel, just forwarded it to your mail.
thnx!
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: marky49 on November 21, 2011, 11:20:51 PM
I'm just back from the show...I left after MK left again! :)

Same setlist, only 'Haul away' was in again. Very nice show, well played. MK mentioned briefly that this was the last show of the tour. He thanked crew and all involved people, also the crowd. During 'Speedway' MK struggled a bit with the text once or at least it sounded strange. Later MK joined BD again and then he left without a word. BD was not that loud tonight, or I'm already deaf? ;-)

Show was not sold out again, only Saturday. I did a few photos to the very end during SFA.
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/310972_314473998563119_100000015638837_1329803_1081874144_n.jpg)

(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/312931_314474321896420_100000015638837_1329806_121977182_n.jpg)

PS: forgot to say...I passed the BBC today and saw Tour busses standing there looking like BDs. Any info on this? I made two shots of them....

(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/379805_314474571896395_100000015638837_1329808_525438074_n.jpg)

(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/384408_314474418563077_100000015638837_1329807_332836001_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: Pottel on November 21, 2011, 11:34:22 PM
Show us the pics Marky :)
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Post by: Hophead on November 22, 2011, 12:09:04 AM
Great pics Mark..is it me or does Mark look tired at the end..the guitar looks 'heavy'. Maybe Bob was going to do a quick interview before he leaves London.
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: arabia on November 22, 2011, 12:17:56 AM
Mark came out on the encore and traded verses with Bob on Forever Young. When Mark sang the line 'may your song always be sung' he gestured towards Bob and the crowd went wild. Emotional moment. And they DID embrace at the end :)
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Post by: Hophead on November 22, 2011, 12:31:47 AM
Mark came out on the encore and traded verses with Bob on Forever Young. When Mark sang the line 'may your song always be sung' he gestured towards Bob and the crowd went wild. Emotional moment. And they DID embrace at the end :)
Here's hoping that someone got a pic of that..sums up the whole tour  :)
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: jabbathehut on November 22, 2011, 12:43:30 AM
ok just got here is my review.
First the negative .I want to thank MK.com for giving me a seat behind the stairwell this meant that during every song of Marks set my view was spoilt and as such found it hard to get into the zone.I don't understand why they let people in so late in Mark's set .By contrast during Bob's set i has an almost uninterrupted view until people started leaving around song 8 i think.Also is it strictly necessary for these Carlsburg sellers to walk around the whole time,just detracts.
Now to the music.
Mark's set was very enjoyable,the band played well and deserve to play in front of people that appreciate them and actually want to be there.Sound was good and i could understand about 90% of what MK sang.
Now onto Bob ,started well with MK first 3 songs,didn't do a fourth so i guessed he would come out at the end.
I couldn't make out most of what he was saying/singing but his band played well.If fact you could joke they would do a lot better if they ditched him.
Anyway around song 7-8 it seemed to get louder and each song began to sound quite similar and drag on for age .Like a rolling stone which should have been the highlight was too loud,shambolic i don't know.Mark then joined him on stage for the finale forever young which until Mark sang those words i don't think even the BD fans knew what he was singing.At the end I thought Mark looked a little awkward as they took their final bows.
All in all a good night and looking forward to a full MK show .
 
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: arabia on November 22, 2011, 01:51:03 AM
Mark then joined him on stage for the finale forever young which until Mark sang those words i don't think even the BD fans knew what he was singing.

Not a single fan near me didn't know what they were singing, but project away... ::) ::) ::)

short review:

Song for Sonny Liston was the highlight of the show, Marbletown the nadir. When I have one of the greatest all time rock guitarists onstage in front of me I want to see him play guitar, not tap hit foot while some elf like bloke plays fiddle.
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: Love Expresso on November 22, 2011, 07:37:20 AM
short review:

Song for Sonny Liston was the highlight of the show, Marbletown the nadir. When I have one of the greatest all time rock guitarists onstage in front of me I want to see him play guitar, not tap hit foot while some elf like bloke plays fiddle.

Very refreshing, thanks!  ;)

LE
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Post by: Jackal on November 22, 2011, 07:54:42 AM
while some elf like bloke plays fiddle.

Haha. I always thought McCusker looked a bit like Gollum from Lord of the Rings. Granted, more handsome (McCusker that is), but there's something about his movements that reminds of Gollum.

EDIT:

Although judging from the pic above, he looks like a smaller clone of Mark.
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: arabia on November 22, 2011, 09:10:21 AM
OK a slightly longer review the day after. I really really enjoyed my first Mark gig and can't wait for a longer Mark only show after the new album gets done. I was right up front, only two McCusker sized folks between me and the stage. Being up front where I could watch Mark's fingers definitely added to the experience. Sound was top notch, I enjoyed the sound of all of Mark electric guitars. I found myself watching Richard almost as much as Mark he's a very talented no.2 man in a band (another little bloke eh?)
I had hoped for Why Aye Man for an opener simply because I like the lyrics and story of the song but WII is a nice opener and it's varying dynamics a good indication of what is in store for the night. Now for the flutes,pipes and fiddle...these guys are superbly talented, and I like the songs Mark has done in this vein over the years, but having these songs interspersed between more rocking and bluesy tunes was disorienting to me. I probably would have gotten more into a Celtic 'segment' of the show as Bob used to group several acoustic numbers together in a portion of his shows 10+ years ago. Just my opinion of course.

I favored the songs featuring Mark on electric such as Sonny Liston, Brothers in Arms etc. During Privateering (which is a lovely tune and will surely stand out on the album) I was thinking 'I'd love to see Mark in a 4 piece band that is more blues/rock oriented. When next appeared the 3 piece on Sonny I was in heaven, favorite part of Mark's set for me. I enjoyed Haul Away greatly, more than Privateering, which hadn't happened when just listening to the recordings. I thought the crowd around me were very appreciative of the bands set, loud cheering and I'm sure most were Bobcats as none left until the end of the evening.

re: the Mark & Bob show, I thought Saturday night was better, not that the songs were played that much differently but they were the same exact three I had seen the night before, minus Trying to Get to Heaven which had been the best one Saturday. They more than atoned by the joint encore. I saw Bob speak to one of his minions near the end of his set and they ran off, after Watchtower I saw a Bob slave turn around what I hoped was Mark's amp so I expected Mark to come out and join on Like a Rolling Stone. He didn't but Bob announced Mark's return after that song and when I saw Mark come out and adjust the Mike stand I got excited. When they walked into the intro of Forever Young I was almost overwhelmed with emotion, as I had been jokingly bragging on ER that Bob would play the song for me as a final encore on my birthday show, so to have Bob AND Mark BOTH sing it (for ME no matter what the rest of you believe :D :D) was priceless.

As I mentioned earlier, when Mark sang the final verse he extended his arm in gesture to Bob while intoning 'may your song always be sung...' and it was a special moment.The crowd roared in agreement and Bob looked genuinely moved. Mark and Bob exchanged an embrace and had words after and Mark joined the band for the line up and bow. Bob and Mark both kept deflecting the cheers towards the other and anyone who thinks there is anything but tremendous respect and appreciation between these two should seek out a video and watch the encore a few dozen times.

THANK YOU BOB, THANK YOU MARK FOR A SPLENDID TOUR. :) :) :)
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Post by: Rollergirl on November 22, 2011, 09:23:23 AM
Nice review Arabia, thanks  :)

And YES they DID sing that song just for you, don't let anybody tell you otherwise!  ;)
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Post by: tunnel85 on November 22, 2011, 09:31:31 AM
What a birthday evening !
You're the man , arabia ! ;D
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Post by: superval99 on November 22, 2011, 09:38:53 AM
WOW arabia!    What a great birthday party!   Thank you for your review and I'm glad you enjoyed yourself with Bob and Mark!  :D
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Post by: Maxx on November 22, 2011, 10:48:41 AM
As I mentioned earlier, when Mark sang the final verse he extended his arm in gesture to Bob while intoning 'may your song always be sung...' and it was a special moment.The crowd roared in agreement and Bob looked genuinely moved.

Priceless! Thanks for the review!

I'd love a video of that one.
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: arabia on November 22, 2011, 11:14:27 AM
MP3 of youngsbest recording of BD set:

CD 1: http://www.mediafire.com/?ahuy0q2ichyctig (http://www.mediafire.com/?ahuy0q2ichyctig)
CD 2: http://www.mediafire.com/?cshfsgaxmwzsuac (http://www.mediafire.com/?cshfsgaxmwzsuac)

Thanks to Lilraven at ER for media fire links :)

Mark's playing on Forever Young is beautiful.
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: Maxx on November 22, 2011, 11:52:48 AM
MP3 of youngsbest recording of BD set:

CD 1: http://www.mediafire.com/?ahuy0q2ichyctig (http://www.mediafire.com/?ahuy0q2ichyctig)
CD 2: http://www.mediafire.com/?cshfsgaxmwzsuac (http://www.mediafire.com/?cshfsgaxmwzsuac)

Thanks to Lilraven at ER for media fire links :)

Mark's playing on Forever Young is beautiful.

That Forever Young must be no1 this tour. Even if I was far from there, just listening to that last verse with Mark was incredibly moving.

Expecting rain says it was video captured! Woho! :)
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Post by: arabia on November 22, 2011, 12:41:21 PM
(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5771/33918226709408589681419.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/151/33918226709408589681419.jpg/)

my phone isn't much as a camera, but an end of tour shot.
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Post by: GennT on November 22, 2011, 12:51:08 PM
Arabia ,this will probably a day you'll never forget. Happy Birthday and all the best to you!

I got shivers while listening to the recording! It makes me glad that I'm a fan of these two legends!
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Post by: arabia on November 22, 2011, 01:03:46 PM
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMXl2ppYaFg
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Post by: Tally on November 22, 2011, 01:47:40 PM
Holy cow, that version of Forever Young is sublime.

Must have been a real treat to hear and see that one live, thanks for the reports. And here's to hoping that MK and Bob do something in the studio together again. What a fantastic ending to the tour.
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Post by: tunnel85 on November 22, 2011, 02:58:43 PM
I can't wait to listen to it but I have to ...

Hey arabia, I wish you the same birthday gift year.  ;)

Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: jabbathehut on November 22, 2011, 03:20:45 PM
Mark then joined him on stage for the finale forever young which until Mark sang those words i don't think even the BD fans knew what he was singing.

Not a single fan near me didn't know what they were singing, but project away... ::) ::) ::)

just seemed a large cheer went up when Mark sang forever young and there didn't seem to be much crowd noise before then.I appreciate the fact that for long time Bob fans the song was a killer moment i just didn't get that vibe from where i was sat anyway i am happy for you its nice when your hero delivers on cue.
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Post by: arabia on November 22, 2011, 03:52:03 PM
Those of us who knew the tune cheered wildly as well, what a treat to have them end the tour singing together!! :) :)
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Post by: holaknopfler on November 22, 2011, 04:20:38 PM
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_S_5FEXTEo

For those who want to listen. I think it's fabulous. Mark should do some more Dylan songs!
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Post by: DIFFICULTTOBELIEVE on November 22, 2011, 04:47:41 PM
This was a historic night.

The Appollo was really buzzing, even before showtime  started. I could really feel it. Mark came on to rapturous applause and proceeded to play out of his skin. He put on the best show I have ever heard from him. I don't know if it was because he was back at Hammersmith, with BD, or whatever, but if he plays like this on the new album we have a treat in store. I saw Chuck Ainley and Tim Obrien in the crowd and they were loving it and behaving just like you and I would - nodding to the beat, long applause, standing ovations etc.

I loved BD's set again. Pacey beat, great tight band. Towards the end of the set  Like a Rolling stone is played and got every one singing along. After that one the stage lights went down and when they came up, Mark was standing centre stage with Bob, and had his red strat!! Something special was happening here! Bob and Mark dueted Forever Young and it was a joy to hear and to watch these two icons together. Mark's guitar was so beautiful in this one. I thought at the start of the song, he would just play guitar. When he started to sing, I just didn't know what was going to happen next!! Totally awesome musical event unfolding in front of me was the feeling. Then MK turns to Bob, takes his hand off the strat, makes a supplicative gesture to BD as he sings TO HIM "may your songs always be sung"!!! Wow!!!! What a man to do that. Bob is obviously a real hero to Mark. The crowd went wild at this point and Bob was obviously very touched. When the song ended the place erupted to the loudest applause I think I've ever heard.

What an event to have winessed. Historic for sure. I am still amazed by it right now. Anyone who was there and saw this will remember this night for ever.  
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Post by: superval99 on November 22, 2011, 04:58:16 PM
Thank you DTB for your review.   What a night it must have been for everyone who was there - I just wish I had been there too!  I agree "Forever Young" is really beautiful!   :)
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Post by: Rollergirl on November 22, 2011, 05:08:03 PM
thanks for your review DTB!

And thanks Lars for uploading the song.

Very nice guitar by MK (no surprise here but still, it's nice) and Bob is almost singing!

I got goosebumps listening to this recording, when Mark sang "that line" and the crowd went wild. I cannot imagine what it must have been to be there!!

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Post by: naif on November 22, 2011, 05:39:57 PM
The most meaningful video so far, for this tour Forever Young;

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8du76uTjQsI
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Post by: holaknopfler on November 22, 2011, 06:08:11 PM
It is quite strange that this was the last show of the tour. The excitement every night which songs were played, reading the reviews from all those nice people who can write so good, downloading the recordings, listen to it, all part of the game. I find it so much fun to be 'a little part' of the whole circus, following MK and the band. It's such a nice thing that all those people on AMIT share the same love. Already looking forward to the next tour!  :)

Lars
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Post by: Rollergirl on November 22, 2011, 06:10:19 PM
wow
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Post by: twm on November 22, 2011, 06:13:46 PM
Mark on guitar and vocals on "Forever Young". It was a well-worked out and rehearsed joint effort by Mark and Bob - swapping verses, singing together at times and with Mark given a very clear opportunity for a solo.  What a bonus!

When Mark sang the line "may your song always be sung", he gestured towards Dylan, in acknowledgment of the 100s of songs that Dylan has written over the years and the influence his songs have had on almost everyone of note in the musicbiz, and that gesture alone got a huge reaction from the audience. It was truly one of those moments I will remember for a long time.  I'm sorry to be so trite but you really had to be there. The atmosphere was electric. Great song and a great end to their touring together.

I was just about to ask anyone with a decent video of the two of them doing "Forever Young" together to share it, when it appears to have popped up.
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Post by: twm on November 22, 2011, 06:29:36 PM
Visually, the video is great and so quickly up here on AMIT but, up in the balcony and away from the crowd, the sound was somehow grander. You can certainly see the audience reaction both when Mark sang and when he gestured to Dylan. Also, to see the line-up at the end, Mark joining in the bowing and Bob's gesture to Mark as well. Me the Bob fan and my wife the Mark fan - a great moment for the two of us.
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Post by: Dutchessy on November 22, 2011, 06:31:14 PM
Absolutely amazing video!!!!! Goosebumps!!
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Post by: naif on November 22, 2011, 06:41:12 PM
Here is the another video with better audio;

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VowBTvCqc_I
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Post by: Best Brown Baggies on November 22, 2011, 06:55:19 PM
My god!!!!!!
Watching that has seriously bought a tear
to my eye. What a superb end to the mini
Bob & Mark tour.
I am going to watch that YouTube clip
over & over.
I'm so glad I got to see them on this tour.

Cheers BBB
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Post by: Best Brown Baggies on November 22, 2011, 07:01:29 PM
Just watched it again :o
My whole body has just turned into a GIANT goosebump!!!
 8) ;D

Cheers. BBB
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Post by: Dutchessy on November 22, 2011, 07:05:03 PM
Just watched it again :o
My whole body has just turned into a GIANT goosebump!!!
 8) ;D

Cheers. BBB

+1

Here too :) It's amazing!
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Post by: Silvertown on November 22, 2011, 07:06:14 PM
Yes indeed! What a great performance and what a great Mark. Our hero!
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Post by: arabia on November 22, 2011, 07:14:59 PM
well spotted on the videos Naif, beat me to it. I think the rougher filmed more stealth one was by the guy next to me.
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Post by: Dutchessy on November 22, 2011, 07:33:15 PM
In the first video Mark is waving at 0.42 to someone...
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Post by: naif on November 22, 2011, 07:33:23 PM
well spotted on the videos Naif, beat me to it. I think the rougher filmed more stealth one was by the guy next to me.
Thank you Arabia, lucky man. Must be ''legendary'' birthday gift for you. I like Youtube you know for now, that's all i got.
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Post by: Maxx on November 22, 2011, 07:37:30 PM
In the first video Mark is waving at 0.42 to someone...

Looks like someone behind/beside the stage. Maybe a family member.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 22, 2011, 08:02:32 PM
Jesus, MK has grown a HUGE belly during this tour...

LE
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Post by: superval99 on November 22, 2011, 08:09:40 PM
Jesus, MK has grown a HUGE belly during this tour...

LE

LOL!   Leave him alone, LE, he's gorgeous!     :P    ;D
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Post by: arabia on November 22, 2011, 08:50:39 PM
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6098/6384544947_255e76d7b1.jpg)

Nice pic of Mark and Bob from last night, not my work.

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Post by: tunnel85 on November 22, 2011, 08:59:40 PM
Jesus, MK has grown a HUGE belly during this tour...

LE

LOL!   Leave him alone, LE, he's gorgeous!     :P    ;D
I can't say whether he's gorgeous but I trust your  judgement  ;)
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 22, 2011, 09:33:02 PM
In earnest:

This was truly a historical moment - I was really moved to see them both doing "Forever Young". Mark is such a great man, I loved about it that it was just a very small gesture, not over the top, totally MK style, modest, humble, genuine and true. And Bob the same had not to give back huge smiles, a grin or another big gesture, it was just the perfect moment with a lot of respect and sympathy involved on both sides. Both rewarded themselves for this great tour and filled the night with meaning and significance.

I am proud to be a fan of both of them I must admit. And could there have been a better song for this than Forever Young?



I am thinking about why the heck should they not repeat it all in the nearer future? Just imagine what would have been possible musically and artistically if the two of them would have done more songs together this way, not only  MK escorting on guitar but really DUETTING...
I envy all the people who attended this great moment!

LE
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Post by: Best Brown Baggies on November 22, 2011, 11:03:57 PM
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6098/6384544947_255e76d7b1.jpg)

Nice pic of Mark and Bob from last night, not my work.



THE pic of the century!!!! 8)

Cheers BBB
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Post by: Dutchessy on November 23, 2011, 01:02:05 AM
I came across this at ER:

Funny story if it's true...

http://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66399&sid=31065084132263e2d8be3db273ebf8e8

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Post by: Hophead on November 23, 2011, 01:18:16 AM
I came across this at ER:

Funny story if it's true...

http://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66399&sid=31065084132263e2d8be3db273ebf8e8


I wouldn't put it past Mark to ask someone to turn his own music down.
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Post by: twm on November 23, 2011, 02:03:53 AM
Some Norwegian fans (over for the Bob shows with Mark in Glasgow) were eating in a restaurant on Sauciehall Street. One of them (someone I have known for over 30 years) saw Mark eating alone and went over to ask if he was Mark Knopfler. I can't recall all the details but his reply was something like, "If you say so". My friend explained who they were and why there were in Glasgow and Mark apparently commented something like, "Thank you for paying for my meal" (paying indirectly that is, not directly). Anyway, as Mark left, he did come over to their table and did sign an autograph for one of the party.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 23, 2011, 07:57:53 AM
Nice story, twm, thank you. But let's hope that this person was able to appreciate that autograph!   :disbelief

LE
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Post by: arabia on November 23, 2011, 08:43:51 AM
Nice story, twm, thank you. But let's hope that this person was able to appreciate that autograph!   :disbelief

LE

and that it actually was Mark Knopfler  ;D

I can vouch for the ER story, it was from my friend. I was with him every night but unfortunately not at lunchtime.
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Post by: vgonis on November 23, 2011, 09:14:01 AM
Some qualities of great men are really under-appreciated. After the first impressions about his musical abilities, someone has to value his modesty and tolerance to all the fans. It does not make the music better, but surely it makes it more personal. Anyway he obviously remembers being a fan, and his fans are not people ready to tear him apart (like some "pop stars" that if they don't go around with body-guards, they will probably end up in the hospital naked and missing some parts, since their fans try to keep a souvenir...). So maybe it astonishes him that young people (OK age doesn't really count...) attend his shows and ask for autographs.  But I guess some of the stories (not the particular ones, they are almost ordinary) are almost definitely urban legends.  I remember one, bare with me you will see the connection (loose I must admit).

If you are reading this thread for the live show, don't go any further. If you have a couple of minutes to spare, go on.

A young man buys a farm and discovers in the barn a motorcycle. Since he is not driving one, he takes it to the local shop to see if he can get any money for it, as spare parts, since the bike looks old. After checking the mechanic offers him 1000 dollars. Taken by surprise, because he wasn't expecting that much, he turns the offer down. Curious he takes it to the big city, at a big motorbike shop. The manager after looking at it, offers him 10,000 dollars. Convinced that there is more to be made, but unable to figure out what, he goes to NY at the biggest shop in the country. The owner offers him 100,000 on the spot. Completely amazed he leaves and contacts the motorbike company, telling them the story and asking them if they are interested in buying.  After a couple of hours the company CEO drops by, and upon seeing the bike he offers 500,000 dollars. The young man, realizing that not only he could pay his mortgage, but make some serious cash too, says OK, with one condition: that the CEO will reveal to him why all this money. After signing the papers and all, the CEO tells him:"Open the lid of the reservoir and take a look at the bottom of it." So he does and there he sees an inscription:"From Elvis Presley to James Dean with love". It was one of the special custom made bikes Presley gave away to James Dean.

And back to the topic, I wonder why the house was not full. It has to do with the crisis, were there other attractions-shows? Are they fed up? Or what? I am only asking, because since I am a fan of both, a double bill would be great to see, but if it wasn't successful in the UK, I imagine that it won't happen again, (in Greece...)  
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Post by: DIFFICULTTOBELIEVE on November 23, 2011, 10:23:02 AM
I came across this at ER:

Funny story if it's true...

http://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66399&sid=31065084132263e2d8be3db273ebf8e8


My friend and I had supper in the Blue Anchor before Monday's gig and a young Aussie bartender told us that Mark hab been in the pub for nearly 3 hours that afternoon. He and his friends were in an upstairs part of the pub on their own. He apparently had one drink - a cognac - in all that time. That's called resolve!
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Post by: Jarle on November 23, 2011, 07:17:36 PM
An even better version. Two cameras and noiseless sound :D

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ghSd9kzxfgk
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Post by: DIFFICULTTOBELIEVE on November 23, 2011, 08:27:54 PM
Best yet Jarle. TY for posting. Sound is better than the others. Mark's guitar is superb. Like the bit at 3.17 when the lap steel fella acknowledges Mark's solo.
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Post by: knopfling on November 23, 2011, 08:44:32 PM
That is a very good recording/video. Thank you so much.
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 23, 2011, 09:11:15 PM
Mark's solo is so great! I am not speaking of technically great (have no clue about that) but about the melody and how great it fits in into this song. This solo alone really is overwhelming How is he doing that? Just pulling it out of a hat?

LE
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Post by: Justme on November 23, 2011, 09:32:30 PM
And there is another question, would it be possible that MK knows the lyrics of all BD songs? How on earth does he remember all that?

The possible text problems being disregarded, I might imagine quite exactly what has happened every evening after the MK set:

*knock knock*

Someone hands a piece of paper to MK.
MK:"Oh, it's a new BD setlist, thanks! Guy, hurry up, we've to find a recent performance of song "ABC" on youtube."
The video playback starts buffering....

*knock knock*
- Hey Mark, Bob is already up there....come on!

MK walks up to the stage, nods to BD. BD whispers:
"Erm, I think we play song "XYZ" instead of "ABC"...."

 ;D
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Post by: jabbathehut on November 23, 2011, 10:23:50 PM
still got the glow :)
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Post by: Jackal on November 23, 2011, 10:44:13 PM
Mark's solo is so great! I am not speaking of technically great (have no clue about that) but about the melody and how great it fits in into this song. This solo alone really is overwhelming How is he doing that? Just pulling it out of a hat?

LE

Basically, yes :) First of all, the song has a very easy structure. I mean, it's not exactly Giant Steps. Secondly, those kind of songs fit Mark's style perfectly; a bit slower rock ballads with lots of room for sensitive lyrical phrasing (or for making the guitar "cry and sing", if you like).
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Post by: Best Brown Baggies on November 24, 2011, 08:19:50 AM
Best yet Jarle. TY for posting. Sound is better than the others. Mark's guitar is superb. Like the bit at 3.17 when the lap steel fella acknowledges Mark's solo.


Yeah, love the bit where the lap steel chap acknowledges Mark.
Another great goosebump moment. :)

Cheers. BBB
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Post by: twm on November 24, 2011, 10:46:49 AM
I know the earlier reference to Dylan suddenly changing his songs at the last minute was intended humourously but I thought a couple of comments might be of interest.

Generally, having decided the set list in advance, Dylan does not appear to change the opening songs much from that listing.  The changes appear, these days, to come later in the set.

At the Saturday show in Hammersmith, for example, his stage crew had removed odd bits of kit before the end of the show; then, as it appeared to me, Dylan turned round before "All Along The Watchtower" and said to someone that he had decided to insert an extra song. He then did "Watchtower", after which there was a bit more shuffling around on-stage than was normal at that point in the show and Dylan then performed "Jolene".

In terms of "Forever Young" on the final night at Hammersmith, this was not just pre-arranged and, by the looks of it, maybe even rehearsed.  Dylan has very occasionally had "guests" make on-stage contributions but, too often, there has been little sign that it had been worked out in advance. We've had (the dreaded) Bono singing on a song when he didn't even know the words; we've had a gang of folks brought on-stage in a way that was fun but pretty disorganised.  The Dylan-Knopfler collaboration was different from these examples. If not rehearsed, it was carefully worked out. There was little chance of Dylan making a last-minute change.

As an aside, there was a time when we got to see quite a few of Dylan's concert cue sheets and there were sometimes option songs at certain positions in the set, so that Dylan could vary the set almost at will - though, even then, he didn't always stick to the options.

Back to Hammersmith.  I presume Dylan suggested the idea of a collaboration to Mark and it is indicative of (1) how well this joint tour has worked out, (2) the regard that Dylan has for Mark, (3) to some degree, Dylan's acknowledgement of the loyalty of his British audiences and (4) that even Dylan, in true showbiz style, wanted to finish the tour with a flourish and on a high. 

What would be interesting to know is which of them suggested "Forever Young". There on stage were Knopfler (at 62 ?) and Dylan (70 years old) singing to one another "may you stay forever young" - two musicians who stay "forever young" by not sitting back on their past achievements, merely repeating them,selves, but forging their way forward all the time. I'm a bit prejudiced and think Dylan has been more abrupt in the changes he has made but the Knopfler I've seen on tour (quite a lot) in the last decade or so is not the person who came to fame in Dire Straits. I really liked the NHB shows and Mark's embracing of the Celtic and folk music and welding it to his style in his solo work has been, to say the least, impressive.





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Post by: Love Expresso on November 24, 2011, 11:10:14 AM
Great post, and interesting! Sums it all up, thank you very much! (That Bono "dreaded" word was the first "misbehaved" word I read in your posts so far! I like! ;))

LE
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Post by: schmonka on November 24, 2011, 01:26:32 PM
Bob's singing is still kak - MK verses - you can actually hear what is being sung.....Good on you MK!
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Post by: Dutchessy on November 24, 2011, 02:17:43 PM
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gHWaWgsink&feature=colike
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Post by: Maxx on November 24, 2011, 06:56:08 PM
Bob's singing is still kak - MK verses - you can actually hear what is being sung.....Good on you MK!

I think Bob did this song rather good. And Mark's first verse is nothing but mediocre, which of course can't be said about his other verse.
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Post by: Pottel on November 24, 2011, 08:16:51 PM
That "multichannel" version was really brilliant, almost cried there and then....
And word from the Dylan camp as to how the knopfler camp got perceived there? Any,and I mean ANY word from Dylan's opinion bout this tour?
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Post by: twm on November 25, 2011, 01:53:43 AM
The bands got on well and the crews got on well, too. The evidence on the final night is that the two main protagonists also enjoyed the experience.

I'm not sure if the question had any particular edge to it but let me press on as if it had.

I know a lot of Dylan fans found the Knopfler set too samey and I know that many Knopfler fans found Dylan confounding - with fans on both sides feeling that they had to pay more than normal to see less than usual of their favoured performer - but we are not typical concert-goers when it comes to these two. The bulk of the audience members were neither stone Dylan fans or stone Knopfler fans (in the sense that they do not go to multiple shows and have to worry about travel and accommodation costs and the like) but are just ordinary punters who saw it as an opportunity to see two great performers in one concert - two for little more than the price of one and a lot less than some performers charge.

If my analysis is right, there is no reason for Messrs Dylan and Knopfler not to repeat the experience some time. I, for one, would like to see more of them on the same bill. I thoroughly enjoyed myself.

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Post by: superval99 on November 25, 2011, 10:27:24 AM
If I had been at one of the shows where MK and Bob played together, especially the final show, then I'm pretty sure I would have enjoyed the experience a whole lot more than I did!   It was such a pity that we all didn't have that chance, but at least I have the recordings and can pretend I was there!  :)
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Post by: twm on November 25, 2011, 01:29:00 PM
Dylan played a "blinding" set but the set by "the Knopf" was what this journalist really savoured:-

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2011-11/24/mark-knopfler-bob-dylan-live-review
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Post by: arabia on November 25, 2011, 01:47:33 PM
Bob's singing is still kak - MK verses - you can actually hear what is being sung.....Good on you MK!

I think Bob did this song rather good. And Mark's first verse is nothing but mediocre, which of course can't be said about his other verse.

being up front I went from psyched to worried when Mark started singing, first half verse wasn't so confident but then he sang sweetly the rest of the way.

Hey I found another nice collection of clips from the Hammersmith run by poupystar. Does he ever torrent whole shows? It seems some of the best quality MK videos whenever I find them but always just snippets.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13MSF4b6Xzc&feature=related
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Post by: ds1984 on November 25, 2011, 02:12:33 PM

Hey I found another nice collection of clips from the Hammersmith run by poupystar. Does he ever torrent whole shows? It seems some of the best quality MK videos whenever I find them but always just snippets.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13MSF4b6Xzc&feature=related

He used to organise some free distribution but I did not see new stuff released post 2006 tour ("HOT NIGHT... IN PARIS" 3DVD).
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Post by: twm on November 25, 2011, 02:39:45 PM
A pretty fair summation of the tour by a Dylan fan, with some comments about "The Knopf".

http://samsonsdiner.blogspot.com/2011/11/review-of-dylan-at-hammersmith-november.html
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Post by: Jarle on November 26, 2011, 10:43:21 PM
Poupystar's full version of the song:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIpBq_rTRrw&feature=player_embedded#!

 :)
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Post by: dustyvalentino on November 26, 2011, 10:55:29 PM
Poupystar's full version of the song:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIpBq_rTRrw&feature=player_embedded#!

 :)

It sounds ridiculous, it's not like I'm his mum or something, but I felt so PROUD of MK watching that video. My hero. :)
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Post by: vgonis on November 26, 2011, 10:59:51 PM
And then the other guy next to Mark, has to ruin everything with a lousy, only in name, harmonica solo. ;D  Maybe his mum shouldn't have allowed him to go out, before he had practiced enough.  :P
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Post by: superval99 on November 27, 2011, 12:34:03 AM
And then the other guy next to Mark, has to ruin everything with a lousy, only in name, harmonica solo. ;D  Maybe his mum shouldn't have allowed him to go out, before he had practiced enough.  :P

Lol!   VGONIS!     All this time I thought I was the only one to have seen the king with no clothes!   :lol
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Post by: twm on November 27, 2011, 02:03:55 AM
Only (what?) another 15 years to wait until Mark hits his half-century in the music business. Then, perhaps, you can assess his performance on the same basis.

And, if you guys value Mark so highly, then why do you doubt his judgement in putting on hold the recording of his own album in order to be the support act for a pre-planned and arranged European tour by Bob Dylan?  There must be a reason for Mark's decision and it's certainly not financial. That's not to say that he didn't get paid (and probably handsomely) but he certainly didn't have to do it for the money (nor did Dylan, for that matter).

There are a lot of Dylan fans who found Mark's set "boring" (that's an adjective commonly applied and they're wrong, too) but I certainly did not doubt Bob's judgment in adding Mark and his colleagues to the bill.

I found it a great double bill. Two performers, with different approaches to their art and their task in life, both valid approaches, offering a great evening's entertainment. I didn't like every single element of either's set over the four nights I saw them but I wouldn't put them down for that.

If they repeat this double header in the future (and I certainly hope they will), then I'll be very pleased if I can arrange to attend some of those shows. If it happens, it won't be in Europe, in my opinion, so I have already decided to start putting money aside for a trip to who knows where?. North America I guess.
 
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Post by: Hophead on November 27, 2011, 03:37:21 AM
If they were to tour NA  TWM..I'll be there with you...all of us over here could only stand back and read about it. As far as Bob's harmonica effort on "Forever Young" goes..it does seem to vary a bit from one recording to another..which leads me to the conclusion that his harmonica work seemed to be 'swallowed' up by sound issues..I'm almost certain that if the sound was a little 'softer'..the harmonica would have sounded more melodic..and not as choppy as it ended up sounding like. One other thing...not sure if the final 'jam' between the two of them was planned..Bob gestured to the stand holding his harmonica as he moved toward it..as if to say..'I'm going to jump on this so Mark and I can finish it off together'. If it was impromptu..the band seemed to pick up on it..and finish off the song in style. It was the only way to finish this remarkable tour.
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Post by: Hophead on November 27, 2011, 04:18:28 AM
Btw...does anyone know if any recordings of the final show...either Mark's or Bob's side..will be surfacing?
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Post by: arabia on November 27, 2011, 08:31:22 AM
I'm currently downloading a nice recording of Mark's set from Nov 21st.

I came here to post the link but having had to start my Sunday reading yet more Bob bashing above made me decide not to bother. ::)
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Post by: Pottel on November 27, 2011, 09:16:44 AM
I'm currently downloading a nice recording of Mark's set from Nov 21st.

I came here to post the link but having had to start my Sunday reading yet more Bob bashing above made me decide not to bother. ::)
I saw no (real) bashing, certainly nothing comparable with what was written during the early days of the tour, on either side, by the way, am I the only one to have noticed this enormous increase of acknowledgement from both sides?
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Post by: vgonis on November 27, 2011, 09:38:30 AM
I'm currently downloading a nice recording of Mark's set from Nov 21st.

I came here to post the link but having had to start my Sunday reading yet more Bob bashing above made me decide not to bother. ::)

Arabia, maybe I wasn't ironic enough or haven't used enough smiling/laughing faces to prove I was joking. But I guess you only tease us, yourself. Anyway, I find it very youthful to have all this blind belief in our heroes (too bad it is only music heroes and not the ones that actually can bring social change), but the triviality of it is proof enough.
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Post by: superval99 on November 27, 2011, 10:10:02 AM
I have downloaded most of the concerts on which Bob and Mark played together and I am working through listening to them all, yes, right to the end and enjoying them tremendously, so I'm not Bob bashing at all, but I think I should be allowed to say that, personally, I don't enjoy Bob's harmonica, without upsetting anyone! 

twm, I have never doubted Mark's judgement in joining Bob on his tour.   Bob is his hero and it was plain for all to see on "Forever Young"!    I never ever thought MK joining the tour was financial - I'm absolutely sure Mark did it entirely for the honour of playing with Bob.  BTW In 15 years time, MK will be 77, so not really a fair comparison with Bob, who is (only) 70 yrs!  ;D
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Post by: vgonis on November 27, 2011, 10:47:32 AM
I have downloaded most of the concerts on which Bob and Mark played together and I am working through listening to them all, yes, right to the end and enjoying them tremendously, so I'm not Bob bashing at all, but I think I should be allowed to say that, personally, I don't enjoy Bob's harmonica, without upsetting anyone! 

twm, I have never doubted Mark's judgement in joining Bob on his tour.   Bob is his hero and it was plain for all to see on "Forever Young"!    I never ever thought MK joining the tour was financial - I'm absolutely sure Mark did it entirely for the honour of playing with Bob.  BTW In 15 years time, MK will be 77, so not really a fair comparison with Bob, who is (only) 70 yrs!  ;D

Superval, you got a point there! MK made it,  on the heavy side of his third decade in this world, while BD wasn't even 20! So that goes to show that he didn't have time to practice enough! And starting early he now can enjoy 50 years in the music making business. I could make some more jokes but apart from being morbid, I might be misunderstood! It is Sunday after all and the weather is sunny, yet too chilly (maybe the jokes...)
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 27, 2011, 11:01:23 AM
Funnily, I had the same thoughts last night: If Bob is coming (to Germany) again next year, I will attend his show. I really would love to see them both together once more, even a double bill tour like this one would be appreciated by me. Well, Mark is probably touring again, hopefully already in 2012, so that will be no problem.

I understand Arabia, I followed his posts and think of him as a person that seems to be very objective and with a sensitive musical judgement, I think he was one of the first "immigrants" from ER, and one of the few ones who has stayed with us, even more, has been convinced by MK and sees himself as added to the fanbase (as stated at Guy's forum  ;) ! ). So a Dylan fan that has become convinced by Mark, and that is a very nice situation! But Arabia, you should not take these "bashing" posts too serious, we are having fun with the ER Mark bashing as well.

And about the harmonica solo on Forever Young: It IS great, you can see how Bob really decides live on stage to do it, he gives a sign to the pedal steel man, can't remember his name, to bridge the seconds until he is ready, and then another signal to Mr. Garnier that he is ready to play the solo then...
Great video, one of the best live videos really I have ever seen. And as Dusty, I am so proud of Mark that he did it unmistakably as only MK would do it, using the situation to sum the whole tour up with just one little gesture.

I never bashed Bob because I always liked him and was looking forward to this tour from the beginning, so please Arabia, take it in perspective, AMIT is an MK forum after all, be patient with us!  ;D

LE
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Post by: DIFFICULTTOBELIEVE on November 27, 2011, 01:52:30 PM
Mark was a support act but he toured like the main act he is. Fancy buses, jets, best hotels. His normal sized band of top musos, all needing paid.. lots of days off with no shows being played/money being earned.  He didn't do this for the money, he did it for the honour. For all we know Mark may have lost money on this one, but I'm sure he wouldn't care if he did.
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Post by: arabia on November 27, 2011, 03:48:31 PM
I'm not too bothered,after all I did provide about 8 links to MK Hammersmith torrents after I wrote in this thread, I just chose to do so in Torrents section, not here.

I think any implication that my birthday encore was NOT flawless will be unwelcome by me :)
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Post by: twm on November 27, 2011, 06:59:17 PM
Forgive me if I gave the impression that I thought you were "bashing" Dylan but you can't expect to make a comment about "a king with no clothes" without some kind of response from the Dylan side of this exchange. Unless, of course, you subscribe to the view that, on-stage, Dylan is artistically naked, exposing his thoughts and feelings to open scrutiny by his audience?

As for the harmonica solo being "lousy", well....  I agree with the comments about it being a spontaneous decision (all the signs were there as described) and I wish Mark were a bit more spontaneous in his live act.  They could learn from one another. But lousy?

As for practicing, do you really imagine that Dylan "practices" in the way you suggest (however much humour you invested in the comment)? I have heard (both live and on disc) some simply beautiful harp solos from that man. That wasn't one of them (and this tour has generally seen a more blasting approach to his harmonica than I generally like) but it certainly wasn't "lousy".  Have you ever seen Little Walter live? Or Sonny Boy Williamson II ? I've seen them both.  That kind of harp playing is not unknown in r'n'b and a lot of Dylan's numbers on this tour were out-and-out 12-bar rocking blues (too much of the show, in my opinion, but that's another story) and Dylan's harp playing was appropriate to that style of music.

I found that final song on the third night in Hammersmith a very fitting and very memorable end to the tour, displaying the strengths of both men and really rousing the audience in both factions, which is what "Forever Young" was all about. The two of them did the job well and the mutual acknowledgement (one for the other and vice versa) was the icing on the cake. Carping about the harmonica solo ...  well, its your opinion and you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I wouldn't wish in any way to deny your right to express it, but it was far from appropriate for a great moment in all my many years of concert-going.

And to arabia: please be generous of spirit and let everyone who downloads torrents (and I'm not one of those) hear what you've got. It would be an appropriate gesture in the circumstances.

Finally, I have never in all my days signed up for the ER discussion group(s). I have visited once in a while but do not hold it/them in very high regard, I'm afraid - too much childish humour, too much vituperation, too many smart-arse comments, too many opinions that I regard as simply pathetic, too many posts that should never have been sent, too much content that simply wastes "my precious time" and so on. There are occasionally threads there worth following but I doubt I find more than 20% of those of real interest. In contrast, I have found AMIT a more friendly site, although I can only speak of these Knopfler/Dylan threads and not even all of these.
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Post by: superval99 on November 27, 2011, 07:44:34 PM
Forgive me if I gave the impression that I thought you were "bashing" Dylan but you can't expect to make a comment about "a king with no clothes" without some kind of response from the Dylan side of this exchange. Unless, of course, you subscribe to the view that, on-stage, Dylan is artistically naked, exposing his thoughts and feelings to open scrutiny by his audience?


You mean you don't know the story of "The King's New Clothes"?     ;)
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Post by: twm on November 27, 2011, 08:04:34 PM
Of course I know the story of the king's new clothes. I am also familiar with the Danny Kaye song, that was a hit when I was young.

There was a Saturdy morning request programme on the BBC Light Programme. It was called "Children's Favourites" and was introduced by Uncle Mac with the words, "Hello children, everywhere". Danny Kaye used to be played quite often, not only the song in question but the likes of "The Ugly Duckling" and (I think it was him) "Wonderful, Wonderful Copenhagen".  I can't recall all the titles but there were songs about Sparky's magic piano, a pink toothbrush and the three billy goats gruff. There was "The Laughing Policeman". Burl Ives introduced me to some American folk songs, and Harry Belafonte, too. There was Spike Jones occasionally.  Not exactly cutting edge stuff but I enjoyed it.
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Post by: superval99 on November 27, 2011, 08:11:52 PM
Of course I know the story of the king's new clothes. I am also familiar with the Danny Kaye song, that was a hit when I was young.

There was a Saturdy morning request programme on the BBC Light Programme. It was called "Children's Favourites" and was introduced by Uncle Mac with the words, "Hello children, everywhere". Danny Kaye used to be played quite often, not only the song in question but the likes of "The Ugly Duckling" and (I think it was him) "Wonderful, Wonderful Copenhagen".  I can't recall all the titles but there were songs about Sparky's magic piano, a pink toothbrush and the three billy goats gruff. There was "The Laughing Policeman". Burl Ives introduced me to some American folk songs, and Harry Belafonte, too. There was Spike Jones occasionally.  Not exactly cutting edge stuff but I enjoyed it.

LOL twm!   I think you and I must be of a certain age!   I remember Uncle Mac very well!  I actually had a request played on the programme.  Unfortunately I didn't hear it, but my friends told me it was played!    Those were the days!   ;D
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Post by: Pottel on November 27, 2011, 08:40:40 PM
There's a gazillion recordings popping up, go to the link provided up on the site that you can find by copying and pasting the link in the grayish bar at the top next to the search functionality of this site, it is a great site, and well maintained.
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Post by: vgonis on November 27, 2011, 09:45:57 PM
Forgive me if I gave the impression that I thought you were "bashing" Dylan but you can't expect to make a comment about "a king with no clothes" without some kind of response from the Dylan side of this exchange. Unless, of course, you subscribe to the view that, on-stage, Dylan is artistically naked, exposing his thoughts and feelings to open scrutiny by his audience?

As for the harmonica solo being "lousy", well....  I agree with the comments about it being a spontaneous decision (all the signs were there as described) and I wish Mark were a bit more spontaneous in his live act.  They could learn from one another. But lousy?

As for practicing, do you really imagine that Dylan "practices" in the way you suggest (however much humour you invested in the comment)? I have heard (both live and on disc) some simply beautiful harp solos from that man. That wasn't one of them (and this tour has generally seen a more blasting approach to his harmonica than I generally like) but it certainly wasn't "lousy".  Have you ever seen Little Walter live? Or Sonny Boy Williamson II ? I've seen them both.  That kind of harp playing is not unknown in r'n'b and a lot of Dylan's numbers on this tour were out-and-out 12-bar rocking blues (too much of the show, in my opinion, but that's another story) and Dylan's harp playing was appropriate to that style of music.

I found that final song on the third night in Hammersmith a very fitting and very memorable end to the tour, displaying the strengths of both men and really rousing the audience in both factions, which is what "Forever Young" was all about. The two of them did the job well and the mutual acknowledgement (one for the other and vice versa) was the icing on the cake. Carping about the harmonica solo ...  well, its your opinion and you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I wouldn't wish in any way to deny your right to express it, but it was far from appropriate for a great moment in all my many years of concert-going.

And to arabia: please be generous of spirit and let everyone who downloads torrents (and I'm not one of those) hear what you've got. It would be an appropriate gesture in the circumstances.

Finally, I have never in all my days signed up for the ER discussion group(s). I have visited once in a while but do not hold it/them in very high regard, I'm afraid - too much childish humour, too much vituperation, too many smart-arse comments, too many opinions that I regard as simply pathetic, too many posts that should never have been sent, too much content that simply wastes "my precious time" and so on. There are occasionally threads there worth following but I doubt I find more than 20% of those of real interest. In contrast, I have found AMIT a more friendly site, although I can only speak of these Knopfler/Dylan threads and not even all of these.


twm, I find your reply quite elaborate, meaning that you have indeed spent time reading all the replies. I am truly sorry that I have expressed my hurtful opinion. It certainly didn't come from Knopfler's side, only from me. And by the way, I am a Dylan follower as well. But lately I try to lose the fan (atic) attitude, because it is bad for the musician, bad for the audience and in fact it ends up being a waste of time for many people that come to listen to the music. That said, any opinion expressed is nothing but personal opinion, and I don't think that I should be mentioning it every time. Unfortunately, the written form of the replies are somehow misleading us. I write in a certain state of mind and when after a couple hours or days I get a reply, I really can't keep up because the original mood is gone and I also have to figure out the mood of the person who replies. So something playful, read days, after might give the impression of a serious statement, and vice versa.
Anyway, I have been writing jokingly about these matters, but sometimes you have to read between the lines. The "lousy harmonica" comment was obviously a joke, and should be read together with the rest of the comment to be understood.  I consider music as a serious part of my life, but certainly not life itself. It is after all a matter of taste and taking these comments so seriously is something that I really don't want. I try to use this jokingly approach for two reasons: to avoid such complications. The ones who agree get the joke-which is not insulting, and the ones that disagree can laugh for the lite-wit of the joke. Expressing an opinion is anyones prerogative, as you also mention, and I set the limits: where the public life of the artist ends and his private life begins. The second reason is that songs and "live" performances are by nature public, and the uniqueness of the experience can not be recorded. That is a thing I believe, and since I can only catch a glimpse from videos or recordings, I know I get only a third of the picture, so I should not be harsh.
And yes I still find Dylan's voice in the records way better that his live performances, and what's more even though I never consider his voice good, I find it to be the most fitting for his songs.       
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Post by: NicoMK on November 27, 2011, 10:10:16 PM
Hi all,

May you be interested, I've made artwork for the Bob Dylan show of that day. It's available on DIME (see the various torrents for this show) or on the MK artwork website at : www.killtogetartwork.com.

I'll try to make some covers for the MK shows in the next weeks, but I need (spare) time! Don't hesitate to create some of your own and send them to me if you feel like it.

Cheers!

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Post by: arabia on November 27, 2011, 10:14:08 PM
If the 2 Cam Forever Young wasn't enough for you here is the new 3 Cam version:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zeC4pFb7t8

I believe he used Romeo's excellent recording and added clips from poupystar's video
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Post by: Fieneke2 on November 27, 2011, 10:34:15 PM
Jesus, MK has grown a HUGE belly during this tour...
LE
LOL!   Leave him alone, LE, he's gorgeous!     :P    ;D


Haha LE, I saw that little belly as well, BUT..........hhhmmmm I agree with Val, he is still gorgeous!  :P ;D

Quote twm: 
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Post by: arabia on November 27, 2011, 10:34:37 PM
5 Forever Young videos not enough? Here is yet another. I REALLY like this one as the camera man manages to keep both Mark and Bob in the frame the whole time:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE20QQVSBZ8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
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Post by: Love Expresso on November 27, 2011, 11:22:44 PM
5 Forever Young videos not enough? Here is yet another. 

 :lol

Thanks! Very nice indeed!

LE
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Post by: DIFFICULTTOBELIEVE on November 27, 2011, 11:35:28 PM
Great to see this from so many different angles. I would like to be one of the guys watching from between the curtains!
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Post by: Hophead on November 28, 2011, 02:42:24 AM
All these vids are fine...but they ain't got nothin on Schubert's fine recording of the show...his audio is FAR better..it's linked on the torrents page.
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Post by: Pottel on November 28, 2011, 07:11:11 AM
i don'T get the harmonica fuzz, i like the end, and no, it ain't virtuoso playing, but it fits the songs end, full stop. also, look at the joy on both mans' faces (and the rest of the band!)
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Post by: Pottel on November 28, 2011, 07:21:27 AM
also, am i wrong, or does bob just miss mark's "arm movement" during the line "may your song...etc."??
looks like he is focused playing, hears the excitement in the audience and then sort of "thnx"..?
get goosebumps, over and again, brilliant...
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Post by: superval99 on November 28, 2011, 09:15:29 AM
5 Forever Young videos not enough? Here is yet another. I REALLY like this one as the camera man manages to keep both Mark and Bob in the frame the whole time:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE20QQVSBZ8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Thanks arabia!    I think this one is great too.   I wonder how many more will emerge!   It's nice to see the smile that passes between MK and Charlie too!   :)
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Post by: dmg on November 28, 2011, 01:08:31 PM
Great post, and interesting! Sums it all up, thank you very much! (That Bono "dreaded" word was the first "misbehaved" word I read in your posts so far! I like! ;))

LE

My Dad got one of these celebrity sat navs for Christmas last year.  My Mum got him the Bono one but he told me it was rubbish because the streets have no names! :lol
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Post by: Dutchessy on November 29, 2011, 02:06:06 PM
also, am i wrong, or does bob just miss mark's "arm movement" during the line "may your song...etc."??
looks like he is focused playing, hears the excitement in the audience and then sort of "thnx"..?
get goosebumps, over and again, brilliant...

Yes! I saw that too, Bob missed the movement of Mark and looks up when the crowd is going mad.
Something that is wrong edited in the 2 and 3 cam versions...
And Bob is making a movement too Mark first during the end of his guitar solo!
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Post by: Dutchessy on November 29, 2011, 02:13:12 PM
The 4 cam version!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja8rJ-0H7kc
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Post by: twm on December 02, 2011, 12:59:37 AM
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv3s0rRrvH1qfmd4mo1_400.jpg
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Post by: Pottel on December 02, 2011, 07:53:42 PM
also, is that Paul Crockford behind the curtains, especially at the end? see a tall kind baldish guy..
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Post by: superval99 on December 02, 2011, 08:18:49 PM
also, is that Paul Crockford behind the curtains, especially at the end? see a tall kind baldish guy..

Pottel, I think you may be right!    ;)
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Post by: Dutchessy on December 02, 2011, 08:19:12 PM
also, is that Paul Crockford behind the curtains, especially at the end? see a tall kind baldish guy..

Tall? PC isn't tall? :o Or is he?

I think it's him indeed. Clapping at the end.
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Post by: superval99 on December 02, 2011, 08:20:50 PM
also, is that Paul Crockford behind the curtains, especially at the end? see a tall kind baldish guy..

Tall? PC isn't tall? :o

Maybe he's standing on a box!    :lol
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Post by: Love Expresso on December 02, 2011, 08:25:28 PM
also, is that Paul Crockford behind the curtains, especially at the end? see a tall kind baldish guy..

Tall? PC isn't tall? :o Or is he?

I think it's him indeed. Clapping at the end.

PC is tall. And impressive. More impressive than you might think when you judge him by his shirts...  :)

LE
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Post by: tunnel85 on December 02, 2011, 11:05:42 PM
also, is that Paul Crockford behind the curtains, especially at the end? see a tall kind baldish guy..

Tall? PC isn't tall? :o Or is he?

I think it's him indeed. Clapping at the end.

PC is tall. And impressive. More impressive than you might think when you judge him by his shirts...  :)

LE
It's all about shirt interpretation.
No discussion, Doc F. must be the most  impressive guy in the world.  ;D
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: twm on December 02, 2011, 11:21:25 PM
For what it's worth (and I have talked very briefly to PC), I'd say that it looks very like him. One of the other guys looks very like one of the MK crew. I either don't know or can't recall the name, but it looks like someone I've seen on various MK tours.
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: Love Expresso on December 03, 2011, 10:10:52 AM
I find it sweet that these guys are still so motivated and excited that they stand behind the curtain like little schoolboys and try to get a good view of the show... Seems to underline the fact that something "historical" was going on on stage indeed...  :D

LE
Title: Re: Concert #33:2011.11.21, HMV Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK, # SPOILER AHEAD #
Post by: Pottel on December 03, 2011, 12:41:12 PM
i think the crew guy twm means is colin barton...not sure, or alfie