A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Fletch on July 31, 2015, 02:27:40 PM
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I've seen a few of these posted on the MK facebook group. How do you get in the market to find such things? I've NEVER seen one on eBay. Would be very keen to buy a few if possible...
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I have a few that I bought many years ago (probably early-mid 90s) at CD/record fayres. The days before internet trading...
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So they're super rare? Are there no online sources to shop at that specialise in live Boots?
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So they're super rare? Are there no online sources to shop at that specialise in live Boots?
I'm not sure. I have seen the occasional one on ebay but they've been quite popular ones that crop up again and again. There isn't a market for them any more for more recent concerts of course due to on-line downloads, so I suppose they are getting quite rare.
I always remember buying bootlegs at these fayres and getting home only to find the setlist was markedly different to that printed on the rear. Sometimes even the gig was different. I recall one having the band members listed playing the wrong instruments! :lol
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I'm just not a digital downloading sort of person! Would love to have a vinyl boot of every Tour Era... I'll watch the Bay, but I've never seen anything and I've looked occasionally.
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They were the only source of live recordings in the 80ies. You had to visit record fairs to get them. I still have most of the ones I had but hardly listen to them these days.
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They were the only source of live recordings in the 80ies. You had to visit record fairs to get them. I still have most of the ones I had but hardly listen to them these days.
Same here. Wouldn't ever get rid of them though as they have a sentimental value now and are quite attractive. Some of the vinyls have a mottled effect to them, one green and the other brown!
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Any to sell mate ? :)
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Or (more realistic) has anyone compiled a nice picture collection of various vinyl boots? Would be lovely to see, even if I can never own one.
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Any to sell mate ? :)
I have the one called "Live in 1985", live from Stockholm. Bought it long ago, was already pretty expensive and limited to 500 copies (as said on a sticker still on the sleeve).
Willing to sell it, not too sure but I can consider it ::) Very beautiful record and in perfect condition.
You can see a picture of it on Jeroen's website.
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Or (more realistic) has anyone compiled a nice picture collection of various vinyl boots? Would be lovely to see, even if I can never own one.
Here you can find a great documentation:
http://www.graphikus.com/boots/
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Thanks guys :)
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Or (more realistic) has anyone compiled a nice picture collection of various vinyl boots? Would be lovely to see, even if I can never own one.
Here you can find a great documentation:
http://www.graphikus.com/boots/
Wow that link is stunning !! Thanks so much, great info. Im drooling !!!
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I never paid much attention to vinyl bootlegs as I never had a turntable, I used to buy bootlegs in cd, but a couple of years ago, I had more or less all the released bootlegs cds I wanted to have, so I started with the vinyls, and man, these are the most difficult to find and some of them are so rare that are very expensive, but they are great. Now I have most of the ones I wanted to have, I´m very satisfied with my current collection. There are many that I dont have yet but the ones I wanted to have, they are in home!
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Here are mine. The last picture has only one but the others I think may be of interest. Once upon a Time is Werchter '81 and American Tour is Cleveland 08.08.85:
[img=http://s28.postimg.org/md1dx4ke1/IMG_0773.jpg] (http://postimg.org/image/md1dx4ke1/)
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Often found on 2CD format, this is the 3LP version of the Basel 28.06.92 concert:
[img=http://s28.postimg.org/eudnar3nd/IMG_0774.jpg] (http://postimg.org/image/eudnar3nd/)
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Calling Wembley (part of the 16.09.91 gig); On Every Street In Munich 11.10.91; Live In '85 (often thought to be Mackay '86 due to the date on the sleeve even though "Mackay" isn't printed anywhere on it! Actually Brussels, May 85; Wembley Stadium '88 (Mandela gig 11.06.88).
[img=http://s28.postimg.org/h07y5973t/IMG_0775.jpg] (http://postimg.org/image/h07y5973t/)
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Only one bootleg here: Dire Straits World Tour from Frankfurt 08.10.91. It says "from a hot summer night in Mainhattan" on the reverse! Yellow EP is Heavy Fuel with interesting tracks. Bottom left is LP of the soundtrack to An Officer and a Gentleman including TOL. Centre is a special edition YLT which donated royalties to Great Ormond Street Hospital (for sick kids). Interestingly it doesn't include the intro in this version.
[img=http://s28.postimg.org/tnsavibeh/IMG_0778.jpg] (http://postimg.org/image/tnsavibeh/)
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^ Damn those are just really cool!! This is a when new world for me, it's like a dream 'official' boxset release, y'know what I mean?
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Totally. I remember when I bought my first DS bootleg. The Mandella one. I thought it was official. Perfect sound. And even the simple artwork worked. http://www.graphikus.com/boots/#dire-straits-1988
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Totally. I remember when I bought my first DS bootleg. The Mandella one. I thought it was official. Perfect sound. And even the simple artwork worked. http://www.graphikus.com/boots/#dire-straits-1988
Thanks for the link - interesting stuff there!
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My first two DS boots were :
Let's Boogie Around (http://www.graphikus.com/boots/#lets-boogie-around) Live in London december 1982 (http://www.graphikus.com/boots/#live-london-december-1982)
(http://www.graphikus.com/boots/baixes/low-lets-boogie-around_front.jpg) (http://www.graphikus.com/boots/baixes/low-live-london-december-1982_front.jpg)
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Totally. I remember when I bought my first DS bootleg. The Mandella one. I thought it was official. Perfect sound. And even the simple artwork worked. http://www.graphikus.com/boots/#dire-straits-1988
Thanks for the link - interesting stuff there!
You really have to thank farco. He posted it a couple of posts earlier!
Thanks farco!
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My first two DS boots were :
Let's Boogie Around (http://www.graphikus.com/boots/#lets-boogie-around) Live in London december 1982 (http://www.graphikus.com/boots/#live-london-december-1982)
(http://www.graphikus.com/boots/baixes/low-lets-boogie-around_front.jpg) (http://www.graphikus.com/boots/baixes/low-live-london-december-1982_front.jpg)
Have both of these as well. The 1982 has such an awful sound but features a stunning version of the Sultans solo :clap
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My first two DS boots were :
Let's Boogie Around (http://www.graphikus.com/boots/#lets-boogie-around) Live in London december 1982 (http://www.graphikus.com/boots/#live-london-december-1982)
(http://www.graphikus.com/boots/baixes/low-lets-boogie-around_front.jpg) (http://www.graphikus.com/boots/baixes/low-live-london-december-1982_front.jpg)
Have both of these as well. The 1982 has such an awful sound but features a stunning version of the Sultans solo :clap
And nowadays is one of the jewels of the crown. I saw one copy sold by more of 500 euros in Ebay...
Let´s boogie around is one of the rare and hard to find as well.
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Hi there! :wave :wave This is Marc, from www.graphikus.com/boots. Please note that the new domain name is www.dsboots.com. Some new items have been uploaded recently, feel free to take a look! :)
Cheers!
Marc
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Yeah I saw live at Leeds in a store two weeks ago, it came with a cd. Maybe I will go back and buy it
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thnx to vilaplana for this excellent site.
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Yeah I saw live at Leeds in a store two weeks ago, it came with a cd. Maybe I will go back and buy it
I think that Live at Leeds is not from the same generation as those bootlegs, which are mainly from 90ies or even 80ies, and released by "real" labels like Swinging pigs for example.
Live at Leeds came from a tree between fans around early 2000ies if memory serves, and even if it was burned onto CD, it wasn't a "real" sliver pressed one, or did I miss something ?
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I think I bought it around Christmas 2014, from a Spanish ebay seller. Sealed. So most probably a very recent one!
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Yeah I saw live at Leeds in a store two weeks ago, it came with a cd. Maybe I will go back and buy it
I think that Live at Leeds is not from the same generation as those bootlegs, which are mainly from 90ies or even 80ies, and released by "real" labels like Swinging pigs for example.
Live at Leeds came from a tree between fans around early 2000ies if memory serves, and even if it was burned onto CD, it wasn't a "real" sliver pressed one, or did I miss something ?
Yes it is a recent one, I saw it in the list of that site and I thought of that I saw it.
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The LP + CD version is a really new one, and it can be found in 3 colours (red, blue or green). It is also true that the 1st copies in circulation were the ones between spanish fans, as I think the recording came from a DS close source. I still own my own copy (cdr)...
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The Leeds bootleg came on a tape cassette from a source said to be close to the band (former roadie?), not sure. This person was said to have more rare stuff, and he insisted that the tape may be digitalized and copied to 10 CD copies only which were given (of course for free, the whoile thing was 100% non-commercial) to 10 of the 'biggest DS fans', chosen by those fans who organized the whole thing. A few of these might be Spanish but it was nothing exclusive between Spanish fans, like stated above. Everyone of these 10 had to promise not to pass it on to anybody else. A few years later it leaked nevertheless so that this historical recording is available now to every fan :)
AFAIK, we never got more stuff from this source anyway.
The tape was returned to the source. It also included some more stuff like an early radio broadcast, possibly the BBC concert, but also a very early radio interview. Interestingly the interview started with a *sounboard* recording of 'Lions' from an unknown source! Unfortunately only the first seconds, then it was was faded out, and faded in again for some more seconds at the end of the song :(
At least we know this way that there is one more 'unreleased' sounboard recording from 1978, there is only little hope but maybe it appears one day
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Wow! Pretty nice info!
It is true that this wasn't something exclusive to spanish fans, but the original distribution was made from Spain:
https://web.archive.org/web/20011031092254/http://silvertown.free.fr/leeds.html
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Ah yes, I remember that Galderic site ... but this distribution tree was **several years later**, after it 'leaked to the public'. The original 10 fans who got a first copy are all not on this list for this reason.
I think the tape was digitalized in 1997.
The tape that was the source for the first 10 CDs was not the original tape by the way but probably a 1st generation copy. The reason it is faded out at the break in 'Southbound' was that there was apparently a 'tape jam' with the original tape (terrible sound with changing speed, then stopped). It continued with Eastbound Train, the song(s) between (only Six Blade Knife I guess) is missing for this reason.
The Lions recording on that tape that I mentioned before was not only soundboard but even studio (!) by the way (no audience can be heard at the beginning), and it can't be a demo because we know from the Oldfield book that Lions was written during recording the first album, must be from the first half of 1978 as in the interview Mark said the band was founded exactly one year ago, so the interview should be from about summer 1978.
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an interesting point about the Leeds gig is that on their first tour they tried a different order in the setlist than they did on next shows :
southbound as an opener while it became an encore later in the year, Eastbound train in third position (if we count six blade knife) while it also became an encore.
Or is the bootleg not in the original order ? ::)
Ingo, I have an itw that came with a Barbarella's bootleg I got on tape from a french fan in 1992.
Mark is indeed saying the band was founded exactly one year ago, so I guess it's the same you're talking about
The total length is 12:44, but the speed seems too fast, so the times I'm giving are not accurate
it contains some songs from the 1st album :
- little snippet from setting me up at the beginning, just before the itw start. The radio specker says "Mark and David talk to Bob Quilby" (well at least that's what I understand, it could be slightly differently spelled)
- very little snippet (badly edited) from Water of love around 2:00
- part from Sultans between 4:47- 7:07
- part from wild west end between 8:35-10:15
- southbound at the end.
All versions are album versions.
but I can't hear any Lion snippet :hmm
maybe I don't have the whole itw ? ???
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Thanks Marc Vilaplana! Great job with www.dsboots.com. :)
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an interesting point about the Leeds gig is that on their first tour they tried a different order in the setlist than they did on next shows :
southbound as an opener while it became an encore later in the year, Eastbound train in third position (if we count six blade knife) while it also became an encore.
Or is the bootleg not in the original order ? ::)
Ingo, I have an itw that came with a Barbarella's bootleg I got on tape from a french fan in 1992.
Mark is indeed saying the band was founded exactly one year ago, so I guess it's the same you're talking about
The total length is 12:44, but the speed seems too fast, so the times I'm giving are not accurate
it contains some songs from the 1st album :
- little snippet from setting me up at the beginning, just before the itw start. The radio specker says "Mark and David talk to Bob Quilby" (well at least that's what I understand, it could be slightly differently spelled)
- very little snippet (badly edited) from Water of love around 2:00
- part from Sultans between 4:47- 7:07
- part from wild west end between 8:35-10:15
- southbound at the end.
All versions are album versions.
but I can't hear any Lion snippet :hmm
maybe I don't have the whole itw ? ???
You are right, that is the interview I was talking about, and in fact the Lions snippet IS NOT part of that interview, my mistake (it was immediately BEFORE the interview on the Leeds tape, it is a different speaker voice as well!)
I uploaded the Lions snippet here so that everyone can take a listen to these valuable 23 seconds :lol
http://www.mk-guitar.com/sounds/lions-1978-unknown-snippet.mp3
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The Leeds bootleg came on a tape cassette from a source said to be close to the band (former roadie?), not sure. This person was said to have more rare stuff, and he insisted that the tape may be digitalized and copied to 10 CD copies only which were given (of course for free, the whoile thing was 100% non-commercial) to 10 of the 'biggest DS fans', chosen by those fans who organized the whole thing. A few of these might be Spanish but it was nothing exclusive between Spanish fans, like stated above. Everyone of these 10 had to promise not to pass it on to anybody else. A few years later it leaked nevertheless so that this historical recording is available now to every fan :)
AFAIK, we never got more stuff from this source anyway.
Probably I'm wrong but in first reading I thought you were kind of blaming the "tree" in which Leeds 78 was freely distributed in 2001 of not getting more stuff from that source, but, if the first copy tranfered to cd was in 1997, I guess that if the source didn´t offered more rare stuff in that four years in between, it has nothing to do with that second transfer from 2001.
I like that Leeds got in a commercial bootleg anyway, it´s a nice concert, and since it´s easy to get it free, there is no harm, just another piece for collectors that like the bootleg LP's and CD's more than flac/mp3 files.
I was the one who did the second transfer to CD from a tape sent to Galderic, and we both organized the tree, well, honestly, it was Galderic who did the hard work. I think I have the copy number two of that free tree, and the cover and back cover was designed by me, with a mistake in "Down to the waterline", i think I wrote "Doan to the waterline" or something like that.
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The Leeds bootleg came on a tape cassette from a source said to be close to the band (former roadie?), not sure. This person was said to have more rare stuff, and he insisted that the tape may be digitalized and copied to 10 CD copies only which were given (of course for free, the whoile thing was 100% non-commercial) to 10 of the 'biggest DS fans', chosen by those fans who organized the whole thing. A few of these might be Spanish but it was nothing exclusive between Spanish fans, like stated above. Everyone of these 10 had to promise not to pass it on to anybody else. A few years later it leaked nevertheless so that this historical recording is available now to every fan :)
AFAIK, we never got more stuff from this source anyway.
Probably I'm wrong but in first reading I thought you were kind of blaming the "tree" in which Leeds 78 was freely distributed in 2001 of not getting more stuff from that source, but, if the first copy tranfered to cd was in 1997, I guess that if the source didn´t offered more rare stuff in that four years in between, it has nothing to do with that second transfer from 2001.
I like that Leeds got in a commercial bootleg anyway, it´s a nice concert, and since it´s easy to get it free, there is no harm, just another piece for collectors that like the bootleg LP's and CD's more than flac/mp3 files.
I was the one who did the second transfer to CD from a tape sent to Galderic, and we both organized the tree, well, honestly, it was Galderic who did the hard work. I think I have the copy number two of that free tree, and the cover and back cover was designed by me, with a mistake in "Down to the waterline", i think I wrote "Doan to the waterline" or something like that.
Oh no, I am not blaming anyone. I was really glad that there was a tree and it became available to all fans finally.
It was not only the fear of not getting more stuff from that source - which we did not anyway as it turned out but this had nothing to do with the Galderic tree years later - but the fact that we gave our word not to give it to anyone. All these great 'historical' recordings deserve it to be available to any true fan, and should not be in the shelf of any collector.
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I was the one who did the second transfer to CD from a tape sent to Galderic, and we both organized the tree
So the version of the tree was from a tape, this was new to me !? It raises the question which tape was the lower generation copy, the one in 1997 or in 2001?
I never downloaded Leeds, always thought it was the same as the original one, so I never compared them.
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Did you have to edit your tape and do the fade in and fade out if Southbound again, as you mention in your post?
My tape had that parts already edited so maybe was made from your transfer put on tape :hmm
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Did you have to edit your tape and do the fade in and fade out if Southbound again, as you mention in your post?
My tape had that parts already edited so maybe was made from your transfer put on tape :hmm
Yes, I did the fade out there. On my version it is exactly at the end of the 3rd riff in the break. The tape had at least a part of the 4th riff I think but with awful sound due to the tape defect. If you listen carefully to the last notes in the fade out you will hear the first Micky Mouse sound artefacts during the last two seconds or so.
You are right, if your version has the same editing and came from a tape it must be lossy compared to my version.
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I uploaded the Lions snippet here so that everyone can take a listen to these valuable 23 seconds :lol
http://www.mk-guitar.com/sounds/lions-1978-unknown-snippet.mp3
are you sure it's studio ?
we don't hear audience noises, but as the snippet is very short, it could be very well a live extract
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You are right, it is rather a feel from an inner voice that makes me think so. :think
I even have a date suggestion for this recording: the DS event lists we have say 'April 13, 1978: BBC Session, Manchester' - no bootleg with such a recording available so this one might be from this 'missing link'.
My ears also tell me that April makes sense (yes, I can hear that ... more or less, must be after the album (finished early March) and before summer 78 (more distortion from Twin Reverbs with Marshall cabs while this one sounds more like Chester, also in April)
If so, this April 13 recording is - together with the Communique demos and the rest of the Hope&Anchor gig (Eastbound Train) - on top of the list of DS stuff I pray to reappear one day. :wave
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If so, this April 13 recording is - together with the Communique demos and the rest of the Hope&Anchor gig (Eastbound Train) - on top of the list of DS stuff I pray to reappear one day. :wave
even earlier we could pray for gigs from summer 77 8) : the "first" one described by David in the oldfield book, or the one in september on the clapham common bandstand, but you are right : at least we know for sure that the ones you quoted do really exist, the others we are not sure :-\
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an interesting point about the Leeds gig is that on their first tour they tried a different order in the setlist than they did on next shows :
southbound as an opener while it became an encore later in the year, Eastbound train in third position (if we count six blade knife) while it also became an encore.
Or is the bootleg not in the original order ? ::)
Ingo, I have an itw that came with a Barbarella's bootleg I got on tape from a french fan in 1992.
Mark is indeed saying the band was founded exactly one year ago, so I guess it's the same you're talking about
The total length is 12:44, but the speed seems too fast, so the times I'm giving are not accurate
it contains some songs from the 1st album :
- little snippet from setting me up at the beginning, just before the itw start. The radio specker says "Mark and David talk to Bob Quilby" (well at least that's what I understand, it could be slightly differently spelled)
- very little snippet (badly edited) from Water of love around 2:00
- part from Sultans between 4:47- 7:07
- part from wild west end between 8:35-10:15
- southbound at the end.
All versions are album versions.
but I can't hear any Lion snippet :hmm
maybe I don't have the whole itw ? ???
You are right, that is the interview I was talking about, and in fact the Lions snippet IS NOT part of that interview, my mistake (it was immediately BEFORE the interview on the Leeds tape, it is a different speaker voice as well!)
I uploaded the Lions snippet here so that everyone can take a listen to these valuable 23 seconds :lol
http://www.mk-guitar.com/sounds/lions-1978-unknown-snippet.mp3
So there's nothing more of that recording?
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Did you have to edit your tape and do the fade in and fade out if Southbound again, as you mention in your post?
My tape had that parts already edited so maybe was made from your transfer put on tape :hmm
Yes, I did the fade out there. On my version it is exactly at the end of the 3rd riff in the break. The tape had at least a part of the 4th riff I think but with awful sound due to the tape defect. If you listen carefully to the last notes in the fade out you will hear the first Micky Mouse sound artefacts during the last two seconds or so.
You are right, if your version has the same editing and came from a tape it must be lossy compared to my version.
OUCH...Lossy?? ingo, can you then pls share your lossless source?
Also, Ingo,..HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY!!!!
last but not least, would it be a crime to name those 10 fans?
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Did you have to edit your tape and do the fade in and fade out if Southbound again, as you mention in your post?
My tape had that parts already edited so maybe was made from your transfer put on tape :hmm
Yes, I did the fade out there. On my version it is exactly at the end of the 3rd riff in the break. The tape had at least a part of the 4th riff I think but with awful sound due to the tape defect. If you listen carefully to the last notes in the fade out you will hear the first Micky Mouse sound artefacts during the last two seconds or so.
You are right, if your version has the same editing and came from a tape it must be lossy compared to my version.
OUCH...Lossy?? ingo, can you then pls share your lossless source?
Also, Ingo,..HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY!!!!
last but not least, would it be a crime to name those 10 fans?
Until recently I thought that everybody had it already. Besides legal issues (the original tape was digitalized to preserve it for the future only, not for any kind of bootlegging) I am not really experienced with FLAC and torrents and such so if anyone is willing to...
Besides it is possible that 'someone' tried to improve the original recording that was extremely 'dry' with a tiny bit of room simulation - being proud of his new mastering software at that time ;) so it makes sense to share the original unprocessed version which might still be available. :)
I don't remember those names except 2 or three, it was 1997! Publishing those names in a forum however seems in fact close to a 'crime'. Possibly two were Swiss, one in the UK, two or three in Germany, and some in Spain or Italy.