A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: ybot on September 27, 2017, 06:48:38 AM
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Why?
Neither LOG BIA and OES tours
They even did not go to Brazil.
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Why?
Neither LOG BIA and OES tours
They even did not go to Brazil.
Yesterday I found out DS did their first concert in Portugal during the OES tour! Also during some MK tours the county got excluded.
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I think it was due to this formula: money × laziness × popularity. It depends on the artist though... Paul McCartney announced his Brazilian tour which starts in October and he visit all sorts of places (Japan, Latin America to name a few and even Australia, OMG!). But Paul McCartney will get a huge crowd even in Antarctica so he can tour where he or his management would want. Mark, in other hand...
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The Portugal one seems a little strange as he seems to get a good crowd there these days.
He also received a rapturous reception at all the South American gigs in 2001 so it can only be cost or laziness, probably more the latter.
I seem to recall Japanese dates were cancelled on the OES tour due to poor sales.
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I'm brazilian and I think I can answer that one. Touring in Brazil these days is doable and profitable but it wasn't that simple back in the day when DS was still active. McCartney and Sinatra did it but they were much more popular than DS over here. Clapton did a gig in Rio in 1990, I was there with my brother, and the infrastructure was precarious compared to what we saw on the OES tour. There was a festival called Hollywood Rock that tried to bring them in 1992 but when the promoters got told the band needed 2 jumbos just for the equipment they quit. I don't blame DS for skipping South America, everything around here was pretty amateur and unprofessional back then.
That being said, things have changed quite a lot and I don't understand why Mark never came back after the STP tour. All concerts were sold out months in advance and our infrastructure is now just as good as anywhere else's. Not counting on festivals here's a list of bands and solo artists who've dropped by over the last few years: Paul McCartney, Eric Clapton, The Police, Rolling Stones, Rod Stewart, Joe Cocker, U2 (argh), BB King, Elton John, Bob Dylan, Roger Waters... John Mayer is arriving in november. Now I ask, why? Why not Brazil, Mark?
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Hi raposo, I am from Argentina and many bands came all these years
I could understand that in 1985 after our falkland/malvinas war DS were not welcome.
I believe, Mark composed brothers in arms in ocasion of our war in 1982. It could have been a very touchy moment if the came.
But, in OES tour was different.
Eventhough, it was not a surprise they did not come. What was a surprise they did not visit Brazil and Mexico
I cannot remember our situation by 1985 1992 . As you said , now would be sold out many shows.
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Hi raposo, I am from Argentina and many bands came all these years
I could understand that in 1985 after our falkland/malvinas war DS were not welcome.
I believe, Mark composed brothers in arms in ocasion of our war in 1982. It could have been a very touchy moment if the came.
But, in OES tour was different.
Eventhough, it was not a surprise they did not come. What was a surprise they did not visit Brazil and Mexico
I cannot remember our situation by 1985 1992 . As you said , now would be sold out many shows.
Holla hermano, huge fan of Messi's here!
I think it was more of a technical and logistical thing than politics or anything else. Mark was against the war, not against Argentina. But I don't know, you might be right!
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Hi, yes, Mark and most of us are against any war
I guess they decided not to tour any of latinamerican countries to be fair with all of them. Going only to Brazil which is the largest could be a success any time
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The Portugal one seems a little strange as he seems to get a good crowd there these days.
He also received a rapturous reception at all the South American gigs in 2001 so it can only be cost or laziness, probably more the latter.
I seem to recall Japanese dates were cancelled on the OES tour due to poor sales.
He has been here in Portugal 3 times and he sold out the arena each time. We also gave him media coverage when he released Tracker 2 years ago. Hopefully next tour he'll be here again, otherwise I'll have to travel to Spain.
Also, just a curious thing I've noticed over the years here: 1 in 5 households I've visited has a vinyl copy of either Alchemy or Brothers In Arms.
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The Portugal one seems a little strange as he seems to get a good crowd there these days.
He also received a rapturous reception at all the South American gigs in 2001 so it can only be cost or laziness, probably more the latter.
I seem to recall Japanese dates were cancelled on the OES tour due to poor sales.
He has been here in Portugal 3 times and he sold out the arena each time. We also gave him media coverage when he released Tracker 2 years ago. Hopefully next tour he'll be here again, otherwise I'll have to travel to Spain.
I was in Porto this summer and if Mark will play in your beautiful Coliseu once more it would make my whole year. We lived straight across the street of this place and I always thought about Mark playing there in 1996. I think Mark would be blown away by the fact how different this town became now, because from what I've heard it was much of a less polite place than it is now. Bring Mark to Porto! Please! Should we make a petition? :lol
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Yes, you should make a petition to the Portuguese promoters.
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The Portugal one seems a little strange as he seems to get a good crowd there these days.
He also received a rapturous reception at all the South American gigs in 2001 so it can only be cost or laziness, probably more the latter.
I seem to recall Japanese dates were cancelled on the OES tour due to poor sales.
He has been here in Portugal 3 times and he sold out the arena each time. We also gave him media coverage when he released Tracker 2 years ago. Hopefully next tour he'll be here again, otherwise I'll have to travel to Spain.
I was in Porto this summer and if Mark will play in your beautiful Coliseu once more it would make my whole year. We lived straight across the street of this place and I always thought about Mark playing there in 1996. I think Mark would be blown away by the fact how different this town became now, because from what I've heard it was much of a less polite place than it is now. Bring Mark to Porto! Please! Should we make a petition? :lol
He has never been to Porto unfortunately. Each time the concert was in Lisbon...Probably has to do with it being the capital and a bigger city just aswell (doesn't mean it is prettier). I would start a petition gladly, but I doubt it would change anything. I'll be happy if he comes to Portugal at all.
Also, I'm glad you enjoyed being here in my city! :)
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I think it was due to this formula: money × laziness × popularity. It depends on the artist though... Paul McCartney announced his Brazilian tour which starts in October and he visit all sorts of places (Japan, Latin America to name a few and even Australia, OMG!). But Paul McCartney will get a huge crowd even in Antarctica so he can tour where he or his management would want. Mark, in other hand...
but that was not the case in the BIA days, he could have played in friggin north korea and people would have still come from everyhwere..
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I think it was due to this formula: money × laziness × popularity. It depends on the artist though... Paul McCartney announced his Brazilian tour which starts in October and he visit all sorts of places (Japan, Latin America to name a few and even Australia, OMG!). But Paul McCartney will get a huge crowd even in Antarctica so he can tour where he or his management would want. Mark, in other hand...
but that was not the case in the BIA days, he could have played in friggin north korea and people would have still come from everyhwere..
Yeah, but we all know the perfectionist Mark is and trust me on this one, Brazil was not viable. Just imagine flying all that circus over here to do what? Two gigs? Definitely not a good strategy. And on the top of that our currency was insanely weak at that time, inflation was higher than the moon, no promoter would have that kind of risk.
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I think it was due to this formula: money × laziness × popularity. It depends on the artist though... Paul McCartney announced his Brazilian tour which starts in October and he visit all sorts of places (Japan, Latin America to name a few and even Australia, OMG!). But Paul McCartney will get a huge crowd even in Antarctica so he can tour where he or his management would want. Mark, in other hand...
but that was not the case in the BIA days, he could have played in friggin north korea and people would have still come from everyhwere..
Yeah, but we all know the perfectionist Mark is and trust me on this one, Brazil was not viable. Just imagine flying all that circus over here to do what? Two gigs? Definitely not a good strategy. And on the top of that out currency was insanely weak at that time, inflation was higher than the moon, no promoter would have that kind of risk.
Point taken
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If you read the DSIS letters from the OES era you'll find that the original plan was to include South America. Here's something from May 1991 issue:
"As mentioned in the last newsletter, we are still intending to do the USA and Canada during February and March 1992. Then there are further European dates from April 1992 to August 1992 (during which time the intention is to include the following countries: France, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Holland, UK, Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland). The tour returns to the USA from August 24th to November 14th 1992, and South America is tentatively set for December 1992. the dates in all of the above places are still being set up, but I should hopefully be able to give you a complete list by the time I do the next newsletter (July/August). If you have any country not listed above, maybe we´ll get to you in 1993 (you think i´m joking??!!)"
http://www.neck-and-neck.homepage.t-online.de/dsis/
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Seriously, the only thing needed is a promotor that can provide anything they need, no matter where it is in the world...
In 2005 MK played in South Africa, India, Arabs Emirates, Australia and New Zealand. Why? Because there were promoters paying them enough to make it possible for the band to travel, stay etc etc.
The 2001 tour by South America was possible because some promoters worked together in gather dates in countries next to each other, and they played in Mexico, Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil.
I'm sure that if South American promotors suggest again the band to come back and they paid for the expenses that need to be covered by such a tour, they will back.
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Seriously, the only thing needed is a promotor that can provide anything they need, no matter where it is in the world...
In 2005 MK played in South Africa, India, Arabs Emirates, Australia and New Zealand. Why? Because there were promoters paying them enough to make it possible for the band to travel, stay etc etc.
The 2001 tour by South America was possible because some promoters worked together in gather dates in countries next to each other, and they played in Mexico, Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil.
I'm sure that if South American promotors suggest again the band to come back and they paid for the expenses that need to be covered by such a tour, they will back.
I agree, but also think it needs a manager that can make it happen. 2005 was PC's first shot so he was keen to impress. Now he just does the intros and Mark plays the same aircraft hangars every tour.
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Seriously, the only thing needed is a promotor that can provide anything they need, no matter where it is in the world...
In 2005 MK played in South Africa, India, Arabs Emirates, Australia and New Zealand. Why? Because there were promoters paying them enough to make it possible for the band to travel, stay etc etc.
The 2001 tour by South America was possible because some promoters worked together in gather dates in countries next to each other, and they played in Mexico, Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil.
I'm sure that if South American promotors suggest again the band to come back and they paid for the expenses that need to be covered by such a tour, they will back.
Yes, I can't see any reason why Mark wouldn't tour in South America these days apart from the fact that he simply doesn't want to but again, things were quite different back in the day.
To keep things simple, I'd go to the bakery with my dad, first thing in the morning, to get bread for breakfest. I can't really remember how much it cost but it was some ridiculous amount. Then mum would pick me up at school at about 6pm and by the time we hit the bakery again bread was 20% more expensive. I'm not joking. And it wasn't a one-off, that was an everyday reality.
In this scenario it was virtually impossible to bring Dire Straits. The only reason why Paul McCartney or Frank Sinatra would come was because their shows were one-offs and they were ok with using local infrastructure and equipment, something that Mark would never agree with. With such a weak currency you have to calculate the risk very carefully and bringing a huge band plus all that paraphernalia would be reckless to say the least. But again, things are very different now - and have been for a while.
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We're talking about a man who doesn't record a show in Royal Albert Hall because it's too expensive or something? How come he would come to Brazil? :lol :lol :lol
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We're talking about a man who doesn't record a show in Royal Albert Hall because it's too expensive or something? How come he would come to Brazil? :lol :lol :lol
I don't know about that, make no mistake, touring in South America can be very profitable nowadays. I don't think all those artists I listed come over for the caipirinhas... :lol
If Mark really cared about his fans he would come back but the truth is he can't be bothered.
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Let's face the music. Mark does what he does. If you like it, great. If you don't, well, he won't change a thing because of that.
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Actually... I believe that he trusts in his management and how they do it, it's not that Mk doesn't wants to play South America, I'm sure he would like to do it, but probably Pcm tried it and they couldn't set dates there for whatever the reason... Promoters not interested or paying less that is needed to do it...
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I'd agree with you if... he didn't skip Australia, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea as well. I think he just doesn't want to travel that much really.
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Europe and NA are his priorities and PCM are well aware of that. Other parts of the world, if it fits in the schedule and it can be organized because promoters can provide what it is needed, I'm sure MK play in Japan or Australia again.
The only country MK has said doesn't want to play is Russia.
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I'd agree with you if... he didn't skip Australia, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea as well. I think he just doesn't want to travel that much really.
I would agree. It's also easy for his management when they are going to familiar places and venues with promoters they know and trust. They can make it happen if they really want to though because they have connections in the industry. A couple of phonecalls and it's done but that doesn't seem to be the way PC "works." ::)
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Why Mark does not want to play in Russia?
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mRAiIJ0isE0
This Woburn Abbey interview explains a lot
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The Portugal one seems a little strange as he seems to get a good crowd there these days.
He also received a rapturous reception at all the South American gigs in 2001 so it can only be cost or laziness, probably more the latter.
I seem to recall Japanese dates were cancelled on the OES tour due to poor sales.
He has been here in Portugal 3 times and he sold out the arena each time. We also gave him media coverage when he released Tracker 2 years ago. Hopefully next tour he'll be here again, otherwise I'll have to travel to Spain.
I was in Porto this summer and if Mark will play in your beautiful Coliseu once more it would make my whole year. We lived straight across the street of this place and I always thought about Mark playing there in 1996. I think Mark would be blown away by the fact how different this town became now, because from what I've heard it was much of a less polite place than it is now. Bring Mark to Porto! Please! Should we make a petition? :lol
He has never been to Porto unfortunately. Each time the concert was in Lisbon...Probably has to do with it being the capital and a bigger city just aswell (doesn't mean it is prettier). I would start a petition gladly, but I doubt it would change anything. I'll be happy if he comes to Portugal at all.
Also, I'm glad you enjoyed being here in my city! :)
Pardon me rmarques821, but... how old are you?!
Mark has never been to Porto??? How come is that, when it is even written on the tour list inside the 1996' "Golden Heart" cd... I've watched back then, some videos from his concert in Porto (Coliseum was the chosen venue), but unfortunately I could't attend to it.
And... he played only 3 times in Lisbon?! Again, how come is that possible, when alone I "just" went 6 times to his concerts over there in that super-fantastic city (apart from a couple more ones back in 1992 with the Straits)...
Cheers!
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The Portugal one seems a little strange as he seems to get a good crowd there these days.
He also received a rapturous reception at all the South American gigs in 2001 so it can only be cost or laziness, probably more the latter.
I seem to recall Japanese dates were cancelled on the OES tour due to poor sales.
He has been here in Portugal 3 times and he sold out the arena each time. We also gave him media coverage when he released Tracker 2 years ago. Hopefully next tour he'll be here again, otherwise I'll have to travel to Spain.
I was in Porto this summer and if Mark will play in your beautiful Coliseu once more it would make my whole year. We lived straight across the street of this place and I always thought about Mark playing there in 1996. I think Mark would be blown away by the fact how different this town became now, because from what I've heard it was much of a less polite place than it is now. Bring Mark to Porto! Please! Should we make a petition? :lol
He has never been to Porto unfortunately. Each time the concert was in Lisbon...Probably has to do with it being the capital and a bigger city just aswell (doesn't mean it is prettier). I would start a petition gladly, but I doubt it would change anything. I'll be happy if he comes to Portugal at all.
Also, I'm glad you enjoyed being here in my city! :)
Pardon me rmarques821, but... how old are you?!
Mark has never been to Porto??? How come is that, when it is even written on the tour list inside the 1996' "Golden Heart" cd... I've watched back then, some videos from his concert in Porto (Coliseum was the chosen venue), but unfortunately I could't attend to it.
And... he played only 3 times in Lisbon?! Again, how come is that possible, when alone I "just" went 6 times to his concerts over there in that super-fantastic city (apart from a couple more ones back in 1992 with the Straits)...
Cheers!
You're right, I completely forgot the Golden Heart tour...He has been to Lisbon lot more times than Porto, hopefully he comes back next tour (I doubt it).
Have a good one!
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Lisbon will be again on his tour list, I'm completely sure of that.
As for Porto, I'm not so sure... Anyway, I really hope he'll include it for his next tour! Apart from being a fantastic city, he could choose amongst some very nice venues and he would have for sure a real genuine audience!
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You are very close to Mark's locations.
Imagine I am in Argentina. He only came here alone in 2001
DS never been here.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mRAiIJ0isE0
This Woburn Abbey interview explains a lot
Could someone please elucidate what Mark is talking about in this interview? Does he talk about anything related to South America?
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Could someone please elucidate what Mark is talking about in this interview? Does he talk about anything related to South America?
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Yes he talks about the finances of running a tour and that some places they couldn't visit due to the financial viability of it
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just having watched the (EFFING AMAZING) David Gilmour Live at Pompeii documentary with the sub documentary about each part of his tour, (EU, South AMerica, North america and EU again, and even for almost every single location!) i am now really conviced that these days nothing speaks against playing down under (in the americas...)
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Now in 2017 or this new decade is diffferent from the 90' s
Gilmour has come to Argentina for the first time in 2015
As one of you said it is up to band managers to decide where to go.
I regret South America was a non-profitable continent for Mark to come here in OES tour.
We must take some tribute band as a samole of DS.
Dire Straits legacy made some gigs in May This year in Brazil.
Members are the one of DS but Mark
I believe, Mark has some issues with all of them but John Ilsley ans Guy.
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Now in 2017 or this new decade is diffferent from the 90' s
Gilmour has come to Argentina for the first time in 2015
As one of you said it is up to band managers to decide where to go.
I regret South America was a non-profitable continent for Mark to come here in OES tour.
We must take some tribute band as a samole of DS.
Dire Straits legacy made some gigs in May This year in Brazil.
Members are the one of DS but Mark
I believe, Mark has some issues with all of them but John Ilsley ans Guy.
I don't know how Legacy was promoted in Argentina but the promotion in Brazil was outrageous, disgusting, repulsive. I felt like throwing up every time I came across some interview or advertising.
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They did not come to argentina. But it can be a chance to see jack , Alan, Chris and Danny. And Phil too
Phil Palmer has toured with eros ramazzotti too.
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That's how I used to see it but after the act they put up here I'd rather see Justin Timberlake singing Christmas songs in a sauna than Legacy.
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Even MK and his management wants to play in SA is not on their hands of promoters don't provide what is needed.
Guy always told that they love SA, actually I read somewhere that MK has a big country house in Argentina close to Guillermo Villa's one and that he goes there when he can, so I'm sure he would love to play there again but promoters don't believe he could make the money that will cost to bring him.
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I'm not sure about that. He came here in 2001 and all his 6 shows were sold out, months in advance. Mark is extremely popular in Brazil and every promoter knows that. As I said, he doesn't go to Australia, New Zealand and Japan either...