A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Roland Dent on July 08, 2013, 09:10:50 AM
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Boy..I am amased at the detail and records located within this site. I am interested just why he creates this tremendous interest in every detail of his career. When SOS hit the charts in the UK back in '78 the uptake was slow, the next thing you know all the chattering classes who shop in Kensington High St in London have adopted him as a hero. And this goes on and on and on...
Amasing!
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I think it's because Mark has something distinctive, or rather a few things. He has his distinctive guitar tone/style, vocal and even songwriting style too (in the early days especially).
There have always been bands/artists who can be described as dime-a-dozen and fall at the way-side after a year but the ones who survive tend to do so because they have a distinctive style IMO.
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So it's not just my opinion then...the depth in this forum is like the Marianna Trench.
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Well, Mark simply... deserved it!
I can take another interesting example. In classical music I love guitarist John Williams and absorb any information on him just because he's a such a cool guy! I read his biography book now. His interviews and quotes just as good as his music. Same thing with John Pizzarelli and Wynton Marsalis in jazz, same thing with Paul McCartney, with Django Reinhardt, with all the 'idols' if you want. I think It's like this quote from "The Catcher In The Rye":
"What really knocks me out is a book that, when you're all done reading it, you wish the author that wrote it was a terrific friend of yours and you could call him up on the phone whenever you felt like it. That doesn't happen much, though".
So, I wish Mark was terrific friend of mine and I could call him up whenever I felt like it. I don't want to call Bob Dylan up, but to call Mark
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Camerado: wow you are in St Petersburg. I need you badly. You can access all the auto parts I need. :D
I always hoped I would meet up with some one on the internet from the RusFed. I am a great admirer of your country. I am Slavic too! Well kinda..half of me. My God your people had a rough time in WW2. We had a K-9 pup from your way that we thought was a German Shepherd dog but turned out to be a wolf pup. The K9 teeth grew too long. Not kidding you at all here. This was back in 1943 I think. Long epeic story.
But before I get my wrists slapped for going off topic, yes I see what you mean. Personally I have never been to any of the MK shows but since I got this internet I was able to listen to all the stuff I had never heard.
May I put you on my buddy list please?
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Excuse me your name is Coma? Yes?
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FOMA..ok
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I see what we have here. And so will eveyone else.
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Roland, it is simple, no need to drag ww2 out of the trenches, in a discussion totally unrelated. ( you wanna start an historical topic on ww2 and the Germans against the Russians and the Japanese against china, and the resto f the world, ...well, you get my picture, then pls, do so in "general topics".
Foam was probably not even born by the time you retired, so it is not like he can discuss good ole' days with you.
Capisce?
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Understood.
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wonderful. now let's continue the actual topic, which, coincidentally, you started.
i do not think he's all that popular, and mostly coz he likes it to be the way it is.
it is well known he did not like the level of fame that came with the BIA album and to a lesser extent OES. compare his popularity with other artists having sold similar quantities of records, and you will realise he is not even close to their level of popularity, and he nurtures that. the other artists mostly nurture their level of fame.
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wonderful. now let's continue the actual topic, which, coincidentally, you started.
i do not think he's all that popular, and mostly coz he likes it to be the way it is.
it is well known he did not like the level of fame that came with the BIA album and to a lesser extent OES. compare his popularity with other artists having sold similar quantities of records, and you will realise he is not even close to their level of popularity, and he nurtures that. the other artists mostly nurture their level of fame.
Other artists you refer to do have more fame but I think MK's fans are very loyal and are far more interested in the intricacies of his work than fans of most other artists. Most other fans just want to know what they are saying on twitter today but with MK it's different - we crave the detailed knowledge about everything to do with his music.
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I guess for the same reason that people who cannot handle "group think" still get a kick out of signing in to forums.
Like you got an itchy back and you just cannot reach it..........you know the feeling?...I am sure you know....you can almost feel the itch now.
Well people who find Mark popular will find out that you need a back-scratcher..but they will never rub their back against a forum ,
especially not when it wears the name AMIT ! !
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Most other fans just want to know what they are saying on twitter today but with MK it's different - we crave the detailed knowledge about everything to do with his music.
Although I would not mind MK twittering... first hand news is always better than via John McC., Richard B. and Guy F., although they are all doing a great job of course ;D
LE
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wonderful. now let's continue the actual topic, which, coincidentally, you started.
i do not think he's all that popular, and mostly coz he likes it to be the way it is.
it is well known he did not like the level of fame that came with the BIA album and to a lesser extent OES. compare his popularity with other artists having sold similar quantities of records, and you will realise he is not even close to their level of popularity, and he nurtures that. the other artists mostly nurture their level of fame.
Other artists you refer to do have more fame but I think MK's fans are very loyal and are far more interested in the intricacies of his work than fans of most other artists. Most other fans just want to know what they are saying on twitter today but with MK it's different - we crave the detailed knowledge about everything to do with his music.
I don't think it's particular to MK fans, I believe that many other artists have a fan base with the same passion.
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MK is not going to get a number one hit on the pop charts that is for sure. When I first heard SOS on my van (VW of course :thumbsup) back in '78 I was "blown away" as our cousins in the USA say. So I bought the vinyl record and read the sleeve. I saw the pic of the Knopfler brothers and thought how cool these two guys looked Of course that was me hooked for the rest of my life. I wore out the grooves on that LP.
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soooo,....why the question then? you seem to be the typical example of a knopfler nutter, you can reply your own question firsthand :-)
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Most other fans just want to know what they are saying on twitter today but with MK it's different - we crave the detailed knowledge about everything to do with his music.
Although I would not mind MK twittering... first hand news is always better than via John McC., Richard B. and Guy F., although they are all doing a great job of course ;D
LE
which pop the question.....................what does Mark in his spare time during the tour? He sits behind Guy while he is typing his tour diary or writing songs (does he has access to his guitars or are they all in the big trunk) ?
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which pop the question.....................what does Mark in his spare time during the tour? He sits behind Guy while he is typing his tour diary or writing songs (does he has access to his guitars or are they all in the big trunk) ?
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If I were to guess, I would say he spends some time in the gym (but not nearly as much time as Richard), spends time on the phone with his wife & kids, and spends time playing/writing/practicing. I doubt he's ever far from a guitar since Guy said he is always writing and, apparently, more than ever these days. That would be my guess :think
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Double S..my fave..love it.. :clap
He reads a lot.
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Double S..my fave..love it.. :clap
He reads a lot.
I thought I knew all the nicknames.............who is Double S ? ? ? :think
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Double S..my fave..love it.. :clap
He reads a lot.
Does this makes any sense? I can't see the point of this comment.
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I am as surprised as you are...at times I really cannot believe what I read on forums in general. :think Not kidding. If I remember I was confused because the forum is running a parallel thread under "Why is MK so popular" Of course it is easy enough to trace this with a few clicks, but I am certain this was the reason.
But back to the convo. MK is a great reader.
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Most other fans just want to know what they are saying on twitter today but with MK it's different - we crave the detailed knowledge about everything to do with his music.
Although I would not mind MK twittering... first hand news is always better than via John McC., Richard B. and Guy F., although they are all doing a great job of course ;D
LE
which pop the question.....................what does Mark in his spare time during the tour? He sits behind Guy while he is typing his tour diary or writing songs (does he has access to his guitars or are they all in the big trunk) ?
When I saw MK in the hotel in Amsterdam, I ran into him on his way to the gym.
When he left the hotel, he had an acoustic guitar (case) with him.
So my guess would be that he's playing/practising, writes some stuff, reads a lot, goes to the gym, and he probably has a lot of contact with his 'homefront'.
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Mark is not that popular (compared to some others). He has just a good following ground from the DS days.
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I agree, but this group seems not to be a small one. Don't you think that it is worth mentioning that he always sells out these kind of tours he is doing? 10 shows in Germany every time, the big halls, always as good as sold out... I think that's noteworthy. How many people do a six-show-stint at the Albert Hall, apart from EC maybe?
LE
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Excellent point! I am anxious to see what venues are selected for the NA tour, and how "successful" the tour is (speaking in terms of ticket sales only...).
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I agree, but this group seems not to be a small one. Don't you think that it is worth mentioning that he always sells out these kind of tours he is doing? 10 shows in Germany every time, the big halls, always as good as sold out... I think that's noteworthy. How many people do a six-show-stint at the Albert Hall, apart from EC maybe?
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Just count : 4500 by 6 is not that a big number for a town like London.
And getting RAH ticket for Clapton is much harder than Mark, Clapton could do a 6 weeks RAH residency and still selling out.
DS was huge, Mark solo got minor hits (WII being his biggest and nearly only noticeable one) but this is what Mark wanted, stepping down to an easier manageable size.
WTF do you think why Mark does not tour South America or Eastern countries.
And even in the US he does plays now moderatly small venues and has difficulties selling tix in some part of the country (southern for example).
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I understand, but without WTF would be even nicer. ;)
LE
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which pop the question.....................what does Mark in his spare time during the tour? He sits behind Guy while he is typing his tour diary or writing songs (does he has access to his guitars or are they all in the big trunk) ?
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If I were to guess, I would say he spends some time in the gym (but not nearly as much time as Richard), spends time on the phone with his wife & kids, and spends time playing/writing/practicing. I doubt he's ever far from a guitar since Guy said he is always writing and, apparently, more than ever these days. That would be my guess :think
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well you seems right for the most part..........thx Joan :thumbsup
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I understand, but without WTF would be even nicer. ;)
LE
This refer to the cry of heart from our "friends" out there each time a MK world tour is announced and that they are excluded from it ;)
But I reckon it may not sound very polite from me. Apologies to those I may have shocked.
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If we were on skype and you could here what was going on in the background in this office I would have to stop using this site altogether. I personally rarely use offensive language :-X
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I think because he has a very recognizable sound and a kind of identity. You know, much stars are going to, for example, the Jimmy Kimmel Live show whith much glitter and glamour and loudly taking about forever what unimportant things. But Mark doens't, he is serious and has a pure heart. He is the kind of artist that wants to play for 1000 people too instead of a World Tour in stadiums for at least 25.000.
And another thing: you pay what you get and you get what you pay. He is not coming hours late or so and he doens't kick out fans like Axl Rose is doing ('Bye bye Kumar!'). I was at his concert in Zwolle (Netherlands) and a fan walked close to the podium with a large DSLR. Artists like Rihanna or even Madonna would go immediately home, they have sercurity rows for those people who want to shoot a picture with a camera which is illegal bringing into concert. But Knopfler hasn't placed securtiy in their so you can almost tough him. And it's very normal to run before the encose to the podium at a Knopfler concert.
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You never have heard of the "finger of death", have you?
LE
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Fortunately it is not there anymore LE
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You never have heard of the "finger of death", have you?
LE
that was awful :smack
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The finger or my post? ;D
LE
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You never have heard of the "finger of death", have you?
LE
Was that message for me? Never heard of that.
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No, Finger of death noted during my four concerts. Perhaps he just does not worry anymore......
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No, Finger of death noted during my four concerts. Perhaps he just does not worry anymore......
I think he's just accepted it's a part of life now that so many people video events from their life from their mobile phones and take photos (usually posing with a pint in their hand) too, then put them on Facebook. Document our lives in JPEGS.