A Mark In Time

Mark Knopfler Discussion => One Deep River / The Boy => Topic started by: jbaent on January 30, 2024, 11:41:39 AM

Title: (7) Janine
Post by: jbaent on January 30, 2024, 11:41:39 AM
Janine   4:42

It's the same old rodeo
Whenever it appears
The roughnecks and truck drivers
Pipeliners and engineers
Our dusty little cowtown
Turned into a boomtown fast
Guess we had to say so long
To our little town of the past

Janine my heart goes out to you
I know you've been trying
I've been trying too

Now there's big rigs on the highway
Loaded up with sand and tools
Oil rigs on the skyline
New kids in the schools
The thing about a cowtown
There's always dust
But it always rains eventually
And rain it must

Janine my heart goes out to you
I know you've been trying
I've been trying too
Janine my heart goes out to you
I know you've been trying
I've been trying too

I hope that you've been saving
A little of that boomtown pay
I hope that you've been holding on
To something for a rainy day
The thing about a cowtown
There's always dust
The thing about a boom is
There's always a bust

Janine my heart goes out to you
I know you've been trying
I've been trying too
Janine my heart goes out to you
I know you've been trying
I've been trying too
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: morfsta on March 18, 2024, 06:50:18 PM
It's the same old rodeo
Whenever it appears
The roughnecks and truck drivers
Pipeliners and engineers
Our dusty little cowtown
Turned into a boomtown fast
Guess we had to say so long
To our little town of the past

Janine my heart goes out to you
I know you've been trying
I've been trying too

Now there's big rigs on the highway
Loaded up with sand and tools
Oil rigs on the skyline
New kids in the schools
The thing about a cowtown
There's always dust
But it always rains eventually
And rain it must

Janine my heart goes out to you
I know you've been trying
I've been trying too
Janine my heart goes out to you
I know you've been trying
I've been trying too

I hope that you've been saving
A little of that boomtown pay
I hope that you've been holding on
To something for a rainy day
The thing about a cowtown
There's always dust
The thing about a boom is
There's always a bust

Janine my heart goes out to you
I know you've been trying
I've been trying too
Janine my heart goes out to you
I know you've been trying
I've been trying too
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: jbaent on March 18, 2024, 06:58:35 PM
First, thanks for sharing!

Second, where did you find it?

Third, obviously, now I wonder what that means!

 ;D
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: morfsta on March 18, 2024, 07:09:00 PM
No worries - it is on the lock bridge as "exclusive content", I don't know when it was added, but saw it just now.

I wonder how it sounds too!
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 18, 2024, 07:18:26 PM
Another song about being in a band, but in metaphor this time?
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Love Expresso on March 18, 2024, 07:20:05 PM
To me the lyrics give me an echo instantly with the songs and the sound from All The Roadrunning.. very familiar theme... Precious Voice From Heaven comes to mind as well... hmmm...

What is the "lock bridge"?

LE
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Wizard on March 18, 2024, 08:14:32 PM
A roughneck is an oil rig worker. The song is a local hero theme about oil being disovered in a rural area causing it to become a boomtown.
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Love Expresso on March 18, 2024, 08:33:34 PM
That sounds plausible, thank you. But more the US maybe than Scotland, because of "cowtown"?

LE
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: koobaa on March 18, 2024, 08:42:36 PM
Could be about Forth Worth in Texas or Calgary in Alberta. Both are nicknamed Cowtown and oil industry was instrumental in their development.
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Love Expresso on March 18, 2024, 08:50:37 PM
I just love the state of knowledge of this forum.

And I keep Dusty in mind: almost all MK songs have double layers (or more) but it is very nice to understand the very first,  most obvious one to begin with, before we work out the deeper meanings/levels/layers.

LE
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: jbaent on March 18, 2024, 09:43:25 PM
To me the lyrics give me an echo instantly with the songs and the sound from All The Roadrunning.. very familiar theme... Precious Voice From Heaven comes to mind as well... hmmm...

What is the "lock bridge"?

LE

The lock bridge

https://onedeepriver.markknopfler.com/?fbclid=IwAR2eP_tdAc5zFX7UdyySAEDv-MYog-1F_oGMcCzh8dxayAgPsPa-x3gndRM
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Robson on March 18, 2024, 09:44:09 PM
"I just love the state of knowledge of this forum"

It’s true :(

If we know the words to the song, we should hear it soon.
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Love Expresso on March 18, 2024, 09:46:02 PM
To me the lyrics give me an echo instantly with the songs and the sound from All The Roadrunning.. very familiar theme... Precious Voice From Heaven comes to mind as well... hmmm...

What is the "lock bridge"?

LE

The lock bridge

https://onedeepriver.markknopfler.com/?fbclid=IwAR2eP_tdAc5zFX7UdyySAEDv-MYog-1F_oGMcCzh8dxayAgPsPa-x3gndRM

Aah, ok, thank you  :smack

LE
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 18, 2024, 10:06:37 PM
To me the lyrics give me an echo instantly with the songs and the sound from All The Roadrunning.. very familiar theme... Precious Voice From Heaven comes to mind as well... hmmm...

What is the "lock bridge"?

LE

Yeah, to me it just read like the metaphor of a musician who has been on the way up but is now heading the other way.
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: jbaent on March 18, 2024, 10:54:30 PM
After reading a couple of times, seems to talk about a little village that develops into something bigger, maybe industrial, but even it's changed what the village was remains in a way.
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Dutchessy on March 18, 2024, 11:14:19 PM
Telegraph Road suits that theme as well. I guess
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Robson on March 18, 2024, 11:14:20 PM
After reading a couple of times, seems to talk about a little village that develops into something bigger, maybe industrial, but even it's changed what the village was remains in a way.

I remembered the words from the review by Gabriel David Barkin: ... stability in the face of change...
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Robson on March 19, 2024, 12:07:20 AM
...The thing about a boom is
There's always a bust
...

 :think
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Love Expresso on March 19, 2024, 08:48:12 AM
A "timeless country song" it is called in a review from Mojo. Sounds promising.

LE
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Robson on March 19, 2024, 02:29:23 PM
If so, this song will be more American:)
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Dutchessy on April 09, 2024, 05:37:54 PM
Beautiful guitar here
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Dutchessy on April 09, 2024, 11:37:18 PM
Best solo of the album if you ask me. Really like this track
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Love Expresso on April 10, 2024, 08:42:02 AM
To me, this is the outstanding track on the album. Among his best songs in general but for sure since 2002, sheer beauty, lovely melody, wonderful solo. Could have been on every Dire Straits album and would stand the test of time. I totally wonder why no review has mentioned this and why this is not the single.

LE
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: jbaent on April 10, 2024, 09:33:18 AM
I wonder who, or maybe (probably) what Janine is...

By the lyrics seems like is someone or something MK is supposed to be talking like in Seattle, he's not talking with the city obviously!
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Love Expresso on April 10, 2024, 10:37:27 AM
It's just a Name, like Juliet or Nadine.

LE
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Love Expresso on April 10, 2024, 08:45:56 PM
Got stuck in an endless Janine Loop and it struck me that Janine is the name of the (cow)town? Have we already talked about this possibility?

LE
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: jbaent on April 11, 2024, 07:42:18 AM
Got stuck in an endless Janine Loop and it struck me that Janine is the name of the (cow)town? Have we already talked about this possibility?

LE

In a way I did, when I said that Janine might be someone, or something...

This song musically makes me think about Beachcombing mixed with Donkeytown, and this last song lyrically has some resemblances as it talks about a town, and that led me to think that maybe Janine is a town which is changing...
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: TommyJ88 on April 11, 2024, 11:25:41 AM
To me, this is the outstanding track on the album. Among his best songs in general but for sure since 2002, sheer beauty, lovely melody, wonderful solo. Could have been on every Dire Straits album and would stand the test of time. I totally wonder why no review has mentioned this and why this is not the single.

LE

Pretty much!

I’m not sure I can express how much I love this song already (my first listen of the album took ages because I had Janine on repeat for at least half an hour) and I really can’t think of a song on the last two albums—maybe more—that have hit me this hard from the first listen.

For my money there are at least three tracks on One Deep River that would have been much better singles/promo songs than what they chose, and Janine is one of them (it’s rather baffling, but there you go).

People who have made ATRR comparisons are right; there are definitely some Beyond My Wildest Dreams/Beachcombing/Donkey Town vibes—mainly musically, but lyrically as well.

In the end, it’s 100% pure, top-shelf Mark Knopfler—and who could  ask for more?
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: jabbathehut on April 11, 2024, 02:22:43 PM
just a beautiful song
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: KnopfleRick on April 11, 2024, 02:29:57 PM
What a beautiful song with a wonderful guitar solo by the man who still has the most elegant touch on the guitar.
One of my favourite songs on the new record. I listen on repeat.
I think Janine is the name of the town.
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: H97 on April 11, 2024, 11:00:37 PM
I'm not the biggest fan of All the Roadrunning because Emmylou's voice isn't to my taste, and some musical choices on that album don't do it for me either. I love how after all these years Janine sounds like it is straight out of that era and works 100% for me (if only we had a solo live version of Beachcombing like he did with IDUAD...).
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Pyroaction on April 12, 2024, 12:35:37 PM
Very nice song with nice guitar
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on April 12, 2024, 01:03:00 PM
Now this is an excellent song, classic MK but still fresh. Great bass sound as well!
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Robson on April 12, 2024, 04:33:38 PM
An absolute MK classic.
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: arthurvanb on April 15, 2024, 12:52:55 PM
Just to get Janine back on the first page of the forum again. Kidding! It was my instant favorite of the new album and I’m trying not to repeat to often to give the other song listening time as well! ;)
MK’s recurring theme of change in society, people getting left behind, modernity striking. Some beautiful subtle guitar work that could’ve been extended in a live version which is sadly never coming..
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Nick14 on April 15, 2024, 01:27:00 PM
Currently one of my favourites. Wonderful song.
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: jbaent on April 15, 2024, 01:52:05 PM
A friend of mine told me a very unlikely theory for this song.

It is said that the tv series "Northern Exposure" idea was influenced by the film Local Hero, and this song seems to be the plot of Local Hero but it ends with the city sold to the oil, and the main female character, Stella, is very dissapointed. The main female character in Northern Exposure, Maggie O'Connell, was played by actrice JANINE Turner.

As I said, very unlikely and just coincidental but I found this theory funny, as I really love Northern Exposure.
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Robson on April 15, 2024, 02:03:49 PM
A friend of mine told me a very unlikely theory for this song.

It is said that the tv series "Northern Exposure" idea was influenced by the film Local Hero, and this song seems to be the plot of Local Hero but it ends with the city sold to the oil, and the main female character, Stella, is very dissapointed. The main female character in Northern Exposure, Maggie O'Connell, was played by actrice JANINE Turner.

As I said, very unlikely and just coincidental but I found this theory funny, as I really love Northern Exposure.

Why unlikely?
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: dmg on April 15, 2024, 02:17:45 PM
Totally overrated song IMHO.  Chorus has me reaching for the sick bag.  Very nice "solo" but just when you're settling down for it it stops.  Quite indicative of the album tbh, especially the title track.  It does add some pace to the album though.
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 15, 2024, 02:20:00 PM
Totally overrated song IMHO.  Chorus has me reaching for the sick bag.  Very nice "solo" but just when you're settling down for it it stops.  Quite indicative of the album tbh, especially the title track.  It does add some pace to the album though.

I was a bit disappointed when I heard it to be honest, but my expectations were high after hearing lots of people saying it was their favourite, and as a big country fan. But it turns out it's not particularly country, despite the pedal steel. Still a good track but not a stand out on the album for me.
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Shangri-La on April 15, 2024, 08:28:31 PM
I love this song.
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: pitx on April 16, 2024, 05:51:12 PM
My favorite Song
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: KnopfleRick on April 16, 2024, 07:09:44 PM
To me it sounds like a wonderful Knopfler classic country song. Love it!
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: kaleo74 on April 16, 2024, 09:06:31 PM
Totally overrated song IMHO.  Chorus has me reaching for the sick bag.  Very nice "solo" but just when you're settling down for it it stops.  Quite indicative of the album tbh, especially the title track.  It does add some pace to the album though.
Go check the chord progression at 2:13

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240416/5176748d8f00ededa81440adfb58aaa6.jpg)
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: dmg on April 16, 2024, 10:03:29 PM
Totally overrated song IMHO.  Chorus has me reaching for the sick bag.  Very nice "solo" but just when you're settling down for it it stops.  Quite indicative of the album tbh, especially the title track.  It does add some pace to the album though.
Go check the chord progression at 2:13

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240416/5176748d8f00ededa81440adfb58aaa6.jpg)

 :thumbsup :clap
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Nick14 on April 17, 2024, 12:19:03 PM
Amazing find/link - melody of Janine in The Long Road. This is another that is the cream of the crop for me from this bunch. I can't get enough of this - the opening eases me into a song I love so much already. Fantastic.
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: kaleo74 on April 17, 2024, 01:47:16 PM
Amazing find/link - melody of Janine in The Long Road. This is another that is the cream of the crop for me from this bunch. I can't get enough of this - the opening eases me into a song I love so much already. Fantastic.

What a lovely track indeed. It took me a few minutes at first to find it, but actually that pause in The Long Road is a moment I love, which is why I picked it up straight away.
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: Knopflerfan on April 21, 2024, 07:13:16 PM
What is it with this song but this is fast becoming my album favourite! It's so good and I absolutely love the guitar in this!

In fact I whipped out one of my MK strats last eve and played along!!!!
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: JF on May 01, 2024, 08:41:18 PM
https://youtu.be/00DYr22EDso
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: naif on May 01, 2024, 09:16:34 PM
https://youtu.be/00DYr22EDso

Fantastic! Should be officall clip.
Title: Re: (7) Janine
Post by: jf9081 on May 01, 2024, 09:38:08 PM
https://youtu.be/00DYr22EDso

Lovely video :)