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Mark Knopfler Discussion => Almost Straits => Topic started by: Jarle on March 03, 2011, 09:14:44 AM

Title: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jarle on March 03, 2011, 09:14:44 AM
So what is this?? Who is the special guests? In RAH?

"CLARK/WHITE/PALMER: These former members of Dire Straits, plus some very special guests, will come together on May 22nd for a special one off Charity gig at the Royal Albert Hall. Performing live together for the first time since 1992, Alan, Chris and Phil, will be playing many of Dire Straits
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Dutchessy on March 03, 2011, 09:17:55 AM
Maybe Mark and Guy? :P

I thought Palmer/Clarke and White played last year also together?
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Kay Edvin on March 03, 2011, 09:19:30 AM
Alan Clark, Phil Palmer, Chris White..
Mark Knopfler, Guy Fletcher???

Ohhh.... ;D
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jarle on March 03, 2011, 09:19:51 AM
Maybe Mark and Guy? :P

Well, I so... That would be something! But isn't it a bit strange if Mark is announced as a special guest in his own band?
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Kay Edvin on March 03, 2011, 09:27:24 AM
My God!!

Guy please confirm what is going on...I am going crazy!!!  :o
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on March 03, 2011, 09:40:48 AM
If Guy had been involved in it, for sure it would have said on the MKNews site. I mean, he's not that special. But I'm curious about who the lead singer and guitarist will be. Theoretically, it could be Mark, but if he was into it and they really wanted to raise some serious money, he would have been involved in the whole project and they would have called it "Dire Straits reunites for one night only". Not just "three former members (one a bit, one not really) invite you to a jolly trip down the Dire Straits memory lane". But - never say never.
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on March 03, 2011, 09:49:41 AM
It would be totally nuts if three band members, and two of them more or less "loose" members of DS, would be announced and MK would be "special guest"! You cannot really expect that seriously, can you?  :o

This is just another poor try of old DS members to attract some attention or to fight boredom... Of course it is for a good reason, so it is invulnerable.
I for myself would not read too much into it and for sure this is NOT the big news that Guy will announce in the next few days I am sure...

LE
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Dutchessy on March 03, 2011, 09:52:46 AM
I was just joking :)

I don't expect Mark and Guy are there.
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jarle on March 03, 2011, 09:54:20 AM
It would be totally nuts if three band members, and two of them more or less "loose" members of DS, would be announced and MK would be "special guest"! You cannot really expect that seriously, can you?  :o

This is just another poor try of old DS members to attract some attention or to fight boredom... Of course it is for a good reason, so it is invulnerable.
I for myself would not read too much into it and for sure this is NOT the big news that Guy will announce in the next few days I am sure...

LE

I suppose you are right, but at the same time: This is RAH... No way that they would come even close to sell out without any other names on the list, and there is no front figure among them. Someone has to take care of lead vocal and guitar. I think it is a bit strange though that the front figure is a special guest  :P
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on March 03, 2011, 09:55:40 AM
Alan, Chris and Phil?
So there can only be one special guest:

DAVID K.!

 :lol :lol :lol :lol



"Recreational cricket" .... boy.... this is some very special english stuff, isn't it...

LE
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 03, 2011, 09:57:47 AM
I notice that pre-sale tickets go on sale today at 9am!    Without having more information about who, exactly, will be playing and price, etc, I will not be rushing to buy!  

I hope this is not Guy's sure-fire potion!
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Dutchessy on March 03, 2011, 10:00:55 AM
That's now?!
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 03, 2011, 10:02:24 AM
That's now?!

Yes!     ???
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Dutchessy on March 03, 2011, 10:03:06 AM
https://www.theticketfactory.com/bookingsdirect/online/default.asp?doWork::WScontent::loadArticle=Load&BOparam::WScontent::loadArticle::article_id=B31196B7-0166-4F48-B924-F9DFF42B71CE (https://www.theticketfactory.com/bookingsdirect/online/default.asp?doWork::WScontent::loadArticle=Load&BOparam::WScontent::loadArticle::article_id=B31196B7-0166-4F48-B924-F9DFF42B71CE)
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 03, 2011, 10:05:32 AM
No way MK will be there, GF must surely be unlikley as a close confidant of MK.

Special guests could be Jack Sonni, John Illsley.

No offence to Clark, White and Palmer, but I find it extremely unlikely that they will be able to fill the Albert Hall, even for a good cause.

Don't be surprised if this hig is cancelled due to "unforseen circumstances", ie dismal ticket sales.
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 03, 2011, 10:08:50 AM
Full band:

Alan Clark
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on March 03, 2011, 10:11:07 AM
Roughly 30 pounds for attending a karaoke show where only one, ok, two musicians were closely related to DS ... Did you guys watch the YouTube videos from Australia where they performed the Brothers in Arms album in concert? Wasn't exactly amazing ...

I am actually also laughing a bit when thinking about the charity - giving the disabled a chance to ... play cricket! Of all things. You have to be born and bred in the Commonwealth to get that.
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 03, 2011, 10:11:29 AM
Seems Terence Reis is from a Dire Straits tribute band:

http://www.thedirestraitstributeband.co.uk/about.php
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Dutchessy on March 03, 2011, 10:14:31 AM
(https://www.theticketfactory.com/bookingsdirect/online/images/articles/E-The%20Straits%201105.jpg)
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 03, 2011, 10:17:22 AM
(https://www.theticketfactory.com/bookingsdirect/online/images/articles/E-The%20Straits%201105.jpg)

Jimmy Page, Richard Branson sans beard, Roger Waters and Compo out of Last of the Summer Wine?
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Dutchessy on March 03, 2011, 10:22:11 AM
(https://www.theticketfactory.com/bookingsdirect/online/images/articles/E-The%20Straits%201105.jpg)

Jimmy Page, Richard Branson sans beard, Roger Waters and Compo out of Last of the Summer Wine?

Yeah, kind of ;) :lol
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Kay Edvin on March 03, 2011, 10:45:06 AM
Hmh...MK will never be there...
Typical me to be soo excited...  :disbelief
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on March 03, 2011, 11:18:07 AM
Don't worry Kay, that is what true fandom is!  :) Never mind, I am sure Guy will come out with the REAL news this week!

LE
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Kay Edvin on March 03, 2011, 11:23:03 AM
I really hope so...

If MK joins the guys in RAH I will go..

Come on Guy! Give us something!
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Fletch on March 03, 2011, 11:51:16 AM


"Recreational cricket" .... boy.... this is some very special english stuff, isn't it...

LE

Lol! Imagine, one of the greatest bands of all time, reforms for......  Cricket!
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: knopflerized on March 03, 2011, 12:02:25 PM
I don't beleive in a DS reunion with MK...  :disbelief



Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jon on March 03, 2011, 12:24:43 PM
Seems Terence Reis is from a Dire Straits tribute band:

http://www.thedirestraitstributeband.co.uk/about.php

A website featuring news items copied directly from the Dire Fakes website - how bizarre  :).  I believe Terence is no longer with these chaps, they now have someone called Benjamin Brown.

Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Waterline Man on March 03, 2011, 12:36:51 PM


"Recreational cricket" .... boy.... this is some very special english stuff, isn't it...

LE

Lol! Imagine, one of the greatest bands of all time, reforms for......  Cricket!

They'd do a bit better than the national team yesterday :o :o Boom Boom c'mon the Paddys ;D ;D
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jon on March 03, 2011, 12:45:47 PM
No way MK will be there, GF must surely be unlikley as a close confidant of MK.

Special guests could be Jack Sonni, John Illsley.

No offence to Clark, White and Palmer, but I find it extremely unlikely that they will be able to fill the Albert Hall, even for a good cause.

Don't be surprised if this hig is cancelled due to "unforseen circumstances", ie dismal ticket sales.

I wonder if the prospect of unspecified 'special guests' might tempt enough people for them to achieve respectable sales, especially if there were to be speculation that MK might join them (even if only for a song or two).
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 03, 2011, 12:55:57 PM
I wonder if the prospect of unspecified 'special guests' might tempt enough people for them to achieve respectable sales, especially if there were to be speculation that MK might join them (even if only for a song or two).

I really doubt it. It's for a good cause and I hope it is a big success but I really don't think there is enough interest for a band that does not even contain one founding member o Dire Straits.

Happy to be proved wrong though. :)
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: dmg on March 03, 2011, 02:41:27 PM
I reckon the casual fan is only interested in hearing the song being played and seeing the main man.  After all he is "the voice and guitar of Dire Straits," now where have I heard that before!  I really don't think that casual fans, and that's the majority, are that interested in the rest of the band.
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Kay Edvin on March 03, 2011, 03:02:04 PM
If Mark, John and Guy had joined them I would have travelled from Norway to see them.
But if Alan, Chris and Phil + some others are playing DS songs I would never go...
MK is DS...

But if some of the guys did their own work it had been interesting...not to hear them play MKs songs...
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Geordieboy on March 03, 2011, 03:10:57 PM
...three band members, and two of them more or less "loose" members of DS....

This is just another poor try of old DS members to attract some attention or to fight boredom...

LE

Totally agree with you. Shame on it....."soooo bad, soooo bad, soooooo bad".

Marco
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: draad on March 03, 2011, 03:14:36 PM
A lot of rich London folk just look for "a night out" and a charity do at the RAH with a bit of music thrown in can fit the bill for these guys. A nice box and a good hospitality package etc etc. If it's marketed well it might do OK. I hope so.
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on March 03, 2011, 03:18:46 PM
I reckon the casual fan is only interested in hearing the song being played and seeing the main man.  After all he is "the voice and guitar of Dire Straits," now where have I heard that before!  I really don't think that casual fans, and that's the majority, are that interested in the rest of the band.

Interesting comment dmg, because i find the opposite is true.
I count myself as a 'Hardcore' DS/MK fan of over 30 years, and of course Mark is the reason 99% of people (including me) go to his concerts etc...
But for me, i'd happily go and see a band if one of the ex members, or someone who has collaborated with Mark is playing, even though Mark is not.
I have seen John Illsley with Chris White in his band in London a couple of times.
Also i have been to see Dennis Locorriere (from Dr Hook) just because Pick Withers was in his band.
Pick was also the drummer in a band recently called Gary Fletchers Blues band, who i went to see, again, only because Pick was there.
Although the excitement levels wern't quite as high as seeing Mark, it was still great to hear his style of drumming, and tieing it in with the early DS sound.
A few years back, i saw George Michael with my wife. Now this wasn't because i like George Michael. ( Give me some credit) ;D
But because Danny Cummings was on percussion, and Phil Palmer was on guitar.
I even got tickets to see Jimmy Nail. Not only because Mark performed on the 'Big River' song, but because Marcus Cliffe from the Notting Hillbillies was playing bass.
For me, seeing anyone who has been importantly connected with Mark is a great thrill.

Cheers   BBB
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Geordieboy on March 03, 2011, 03:23:25 PM
Maybe your approach is better then mine...but for me: No Mark, No Sultan(s) :disbelief
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on March 03, 2011, 03:33:14 PM
Don't get me wrong though, of course Mark Knopfler is THE single most important thing as far as THE sound and THE voice is concerned, but i still get a real buzz seeing ex members or even DS/MK tribute bands, of which i have seen a few.
I would happily go to this gig at the RAH, not just because they are ex members but they played a very important role in the sound, in particular Alan Clark for his great keyboard additions in the early experimental 80's DS live band.

I LOVE EVERYTHING TO DO WITH EVERYTHING ds & mk RELATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D :) :) ;) ;) :-* :-*

Cheers   BBB

Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on March 03, 2011, 03:57:53 PM
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Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on March 03, 2011, 04:01:38 PM
So maybe Eric is "special guest"?

LE
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Geordieboy on March 03, 2011, 04:05:14 PM
I would call myself a hard-core fan, not a casual fan and for me, Mark is everything and I just wouldn't be interested if he wasn't there!   That sense of excitement and thrill would be missing entirely.   I know there are some very good tribute bands out there, but Mark is and was DS and nobody else will do, even if they have been associated with him at some time.

I

Well said. Point by point.
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: dmg on March 03, 2011, 06:19:15 PM
I reckon the casual fan is only interested in hearing the song being played and seeing the main man.  After all he is "the voice and guitar of Dire Straits," now where have I heard that before!  I really don't think that casual fans, and that's the majority, are that interested in the rest of the band.

Interesting comment dmg, because i find the opposite is true.
I count myself as a 'Hardcore' DS/MK fan of over 30 years, and of course Mark is the reason 99% of people (including me) go to his concerts etc...
But for me, i'd happily go and see a band if one of the ex members, or someone who has collaborated with Mark is playing, even though Mark is not.
I have seen John Illsley with Chris White in his band in London a couple of times.
Also i have been to see Dennis Locorriere (from Dr Hook) just because Pick Withers was in his band.
Pick was also the drummer in a band recently called Gary Fletchers Blues band, who i went to see, again, only because Pick was there.
Although the excitement levels wern't quite as high as seeing Mark, it was still great to hear his style of drumming, and tieing it in with the early DS sound.
A few years back, i saw George Michael with my wife. Now this wasn't because i like George Michael. ( Give me some credit) ;D
But because Danny Cummings was on percussion, and Phil Palmer was on guitar.
I even got tickets to see Jimmy Nail. Not only because Mark performed on the 'Big River' song, but because Marcus Cliffe from the Notting Hillbillies was playing bass.
For me, seeing anyone who has been importantly connected with Mark is a great thrill.

Cheers   BBB
That's what I meant by my comment;  that only the hardcore's like you and I would be interested in the other band members.  If I lived locally I would go along but it's too far to travel for me.  If Mark was there I might make an effort mind you!
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 03, 2011, 06:35:32 PM
So maybe Eric is "special guest"?

LE

EC has done stuff for Lord Tavener's before, so not out of the question I guess.

http://www.thirdsector.co.uk/news/archive/616953/Fundraising-News-Lord-aposs-Taverners-rock-concerts/?DCMP=ILC-SEARCH
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on March 03, 2011, 07:00:48 PM
http://www.thestraits.com/home.php

the homepage has their version of Money for Nothing

mmmmm

Although I'm really tired of this song, I must say they did a pretty good job out of it. And it's only from the rehearsals. I'm not sure what to think about the lead singer - I'm so used to hearing Mark's voice - but it's kind of nice to hear someone with more oomph in their voice than Mark's.
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 03, 2011, 07:21:26 PM
I reckon the casual fan is only interested in hearing the song being played and seeing the main man.  After all he is "the voice and guitar of Dire Straits," now where have I heard that before!  I really don't think that casual fans, and that's the majority, are that interested in the rest of the band.

Interesting comment dmg, because i find the opposite is true.
I count myself as a 'Hardcore' DS/MK fan of over 30 years, and of course Mark is the reason 99% of people (including me) go to his concerts etc...
But for me, i'd happily go and see a band if one of the ex members, or someone who has collaborated with Mark is playing, even though Mark is not.
I have seen John Illsley with Chris White in his band in London a couple of times.
Also i have been to see Dennis Locorriere (from Dr Hook) just because Pick Withers was in his band.
Pick was also the drummer in a band recently called Gary Fletchers Blues band, who i went to see, again, only because Pick was there.
Although the excitement levels wern't quite as high as seeing Mark, it was still great to hear his style of drumming, and tieing it in with the early DS sound.
A few years back, i saw George Michael with my wife. Now this wasn't because i like George Michael. ( Give me some credit) ;D
But because Danny Cummings was on percussion, and Phil Palmer was on guitar.
I even got tickets to see Jimmy Nail. Not only because Mark performed on the 'Big River' song, but because Marcus Cliffe from the Notting Hillbillies was playing bass.
For me, seeing anyone who has been importantly connected with Mark is a great thrill.

Cheers   BBB
That's what I meant by my comment;  that only the hardcore's like you and I would be interested in the other band members.  If I lived locally I would go along but it's too far to travel for me.  If Mark was there I might make an effort mind you!

Exactly!  Mark has to be there to make the difference! 






Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on March 03, 2011, 07:23:41 PM
Because Mark IS the difference!  :P :D

LE

Guy is updating at the moment, at least the queries...

Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 03, 2011, 07:49:15 PM
Poor Guy!   He seems a bit exhausted!    :-\
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: knopflerized on March 03, 2011, 08:08:41 PM
here's the answer....

Doc, Thanks for all your work on the site. We would be lost without you. I just recieved a mail offering me tickets for a charity concert by a band called the Straits. Are you and Mark involved in this? It's at the RAH on 22nd May 2011. This is the Info I recieved... Former members of Dire Straits plus some very special guests will come together on 22 May as The Straits for a special one off Charity gig at the Royal Albert Hall. The Straits will be playing Dire Straits
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 03, 2011, 08:09:43 PM
Ha!    Perfect reply!    ;D
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: knopflerized on March 03, 2011, 08:15:23 PM
Guy replied something else in the forum !! :p He confirmed that they are rercoding the new album

I'll mention it Andrew...and YES, we are recording a new album!
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Justme on March 03, 2011, 08:25:52 PM
Yeah! Yippie! Yahooo!  ;D

Good news!

<opens a bottle of finest beer>

 ;D
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on March 03, 2011, 10:23:03 PM
I reckon the casual fan is only interested in hearing the song being played and seeing the main man.  After all he is "the voice and guitar of Dire Straits," now where have I heard that before!  I really don't think that casual fans, and that's the majority, are that interested in the rest of the band.

Interesting comment dmg, because i find the opposite is true.
I count myself as a 'Hardcore' DS/MK fan of over 30 years, and of course Mark is the reason 99% of people (including me) go to his concerts etc...
But for me, i'd happily go and see a band if one of the ex members, or someone who has collaborated with Mark is playing, even though Mark is not.
I have seen John Illsley with Chris White in his band in London a couple of times.
Also i have been to see Dennis Locorriere (from Dr Hook) just because Pick Withers was in his band.
Pick was also the drummer in a band recently called Gary Fletchers Blues band, who i went to see, again, only because Pick was there.
Although the excitement levels wern't quite as high as seeing Mark, it was still great to hear his style of drumming, and tieing it in with the early DS sound.
A few years back, i saw George Michael with my wife. Now this wasn't because i like George Michael. ( Give me some credit) ;D
But because Danny Cummings was on percussion, and Phil Palmer was on guitar.
I even got tickets to see Jimmy Nail. Not only because Mark performed on the 'Big River' song, but because Marcus Cliffe from the Notting Hillbillies was playing bass.
For me, seeing anyone who has been importantly connected with Mark is a great thrill.

Cheers   BBB
That's what I meant by my comment;  that only the hardcore's like you and I would be interested in the other band members.  If I lived locally I would go along but it's too far to travel for me.  If Mark was there I might make an effort mind you!

Exactly!  Mark has to be there to make the difference! 








Of course Mark is the difference, and i will never get the same feeling seeing anyone live as i do seeing Mark, but i also get a thrill from seeing other band members from the past and the present, who have ALSO contributed to the overall sound.
I will always try to see Mark as many times as i can on his tours, because HE is the man. No one can ever replicate his AMAZING guitar and his ever improving voice, but if i ever get the chance to see some of the other members, some of which used to be on my  Dire Straits posters on my bedroom wall as a young man (BBB goes red) then i will always do my best to go.

Cheers   BBB
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 04, 2011, 10:19:27 AM
BBB,  Of course, I understand and respect completely your reasons for wanting to see other members of the band, how could I disagree with that?   But the question is, does that fact alone make you a "hardcore" fan and those of us who are not so interested in seeing band members without MK, as much as yourself and dmg, mere "casual" fans, as dmg suggested in his post?      :)
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jon on March 04, 2011, 01:57:15 PM
This topic actually raises some interesting points about what motivates people to attend events/stay at home.  In the case of MK, is it the man, the music or a mixture of both?  Even on this forum, there is obviously a mixture of viewpoints & I would think that most forum members probably are 'hardcore fans'. 

I'm actually considering attending this event, partly because I have to confess that I'm curious about it, but also because of how I feel about this music.  I welcome opportunities to hear it performed (well).  As a member of a DS tribute, perhaps I have a skewed perspective on this, as I'd obviously like people to be enthused about MK's songs as well as his personal performances.  However if you think outside the realms of 'popular' music, it's not unusual to appreciate performers who have not taken part in the writing process, or indeed may have been born hundreds of years after the music was first performed.  Yet this doesn't actually detract from the performances themselves.  No doubting that this event would be of more interest if MK (and JI), were participating, but I'm starting to think that for me, the music itself might actually be enough to tempt me out for this. 


   
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on March 04, 2011, 02:09:23 PM
If I was living in London I would not hesitate to go.
If mark was involved I would not hesitate to go.

I must admit that Alan being part of the band is something that give me some regrets  to miss this gig and the opportunity to hear at last is magic part on TOL.




Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 04, 2011, 03:24:14 PM
If I was living in London I would not hesitate to go.
If mark was involved I would not hesitate to go.





That applies to me, precisely!    The fact is that I live hundreds of miles from London, so unless Mark was playing, it is unlikely I would be there.
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on March 04, 2011, 09:26:40 PM
BBB,  Of course, I understand and respect completely your reasons for wanting to see other members of the band, how could I disagree with that?   But the question is, does that fact alone make you a "hardcore" fan and those of us who are not so interested in seeing band members without MK, as much as yourself and dmg, mere "casual" fans, as dmg suggested in his post?      :)

You missed my point.
The word 'Hardcore' was probably mis-used by me, because i in no way meant that i was more of a fan than anyone else just because i like to see other ex band members. This couldn't be further than the truth. It's purely the fact that i enjoy seeing other people who have been heavily associated with Mark over the years.
In my view we are ALL here, on this forum massive fans in our own right, there is certainly no league table of No.1 fan, No.2 fan etc..............
I remember i made a comment on the orig MK News forum about 4 yrs ago, where i used the term that all the members of the forum were the 'Cream of Knopfler fans', this i remember caused the post to be deleted because it offended people, because people who read it that were not official members thought they were being made to feel less of a fan.
Crazy really, because again, this was not what i meant. :)

I love you all Knopflerados.

Cheers    BBB :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)


 
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 04, 2011, 09:43:28 PM
I remember that. I knew what you meant. Storm in a teacup. How anybody could be offended by this stuff is beyond me.
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Dutchessy on March 04, 2011, 09:43:57 PM
BBB,  Of course, I understand and respect completely your reasons for wanting to see other members of the band, how could I disagree with that?   But the question is, does that fact alone make you a "hardcore" fan and those of us who are not so interested in seeing band members without MK, as much as yourself and dmg, mere "casual" fans, as dmg suggested in his post?      :)

You missed my point.
The word 'Hardcore' was probably mis-used by me, because i in no way meant that i was more of a fan than anyone else just because i like to see other ex band members. This couldn't be further than the truth. It's purely the fact that i enjoy seeing other people who have been heavily associated with Mark over the years.
In my view we are ALL here, on this forum massive fans in our own right, there is certainly no league table of No.1 fan, No.2 fan etc..............
I remember i made a comment on the orig MK News forum about 4 yrs ago, where i used the term that all the members of the forum were the 'Cream of Knopfler fans', this i remember caused the post to be deleted because it offended people, because people who read it that were not official members thought they were being made to feel less of a fan.
Crazy really, because again, this was not what i meant. :)

I love you all Knopflerados.

Cheers    BBB :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)


 

Respect!
+ 1
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on March 04, 2011, 10:18:12 PM
BTW.

Just booked my tix for the STRAITS!!!!!!!!!

Block B.

Anyone else going who'd like to meet up, just drop me a line, and we can make a day of it :) ;D

Cheers   BBB

PS my
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 04, 2011, 10:25:22 PM
BBB, I'm so sorry if I upset you,  but I was replying to dmg's comments as much as to you.   What I was trying to say was that there are no different grades of fan on this forum, either casual or hardcore - we are all here because we are great MK/DS fans!     :)   :-*
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on March 04, 2011, 10:52:52 PM
Couldn't agree more Val, and you didn't upset me at all :)
It's quite rare for me to get into a debate. I quite enjoyed it. ;D

Hope to meet with you & Colin on the next tour, as we missed each other last time.

Hope you are both well.

Cheers   BBB

xxxxxxx
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: sweetsurrender on March 05, 2011, 06:26:30 AM
BBB,

Cheers to you !!!  I'm so envious of you guys who live in London.  I wouldn't miss it for the world.  Even if Mark is not in it.  I never get a chance to see DS.  It's the only thing I wish in my life I could go back in time to see.  I would even go to see some good DS cover bands. 

But I'd definitely fly from the US to London if DS ever regroup.  Nothing in this world could stop me !!!!!
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 05, 2011, 08:57:05 AM
Hi BBB!    I missed seeing you last time!   Roll on the next tour and hope to see you there!   :)   In the meantime, enjoy The Straits gig!   ;D
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Fieneke2 on March 05, 2011, 02:16:21 PM
Great news BBB, I am glad that you are able to go and hope you will have a WONDERFUL time! ;)

I will meet Superval and her hubby again this year and I also hope to meet you again next year BBB as well as many other fans I met before! I hope there will be a bit more time to spent together then. The time went too fast when we were there at the concerts last Tour!

Last Tour I saw that a lot of people from Europe and even from America went to London for the first concerts in the RAH and I hope we all can make an appointment to be together at one place, that would be wonderful don't you think? ;D ..........I am already busy saving money again for the Tour of next year! Of course we aren't sure yet IF there will be a new Tour next year, but I want to be prepared and money shouldn't be the problem then!  ;D

Fieneke

Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: JeroenvG on March 05, 2011, 03:36:25 PM
I am already busy saving money again for the Tour of next year! Of course we aren't sure yet IF there will be a new Tour next year, but I want to be prepared and money shouldn't be the problem then!  ;D

Fieneke

Hey Fieneke,

I am saving too for a next tour, but when possible I will go, together with my brother in law, to New York city to see a concert.
Been to the RAH now and really want to see, and meet some people over there too.

Jeroen
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Fieneke2 on March 05, 2011, 03:52:34 PM

Whaauww New York that would be great too!  :o  But I am already glad when we can go to one abroad and of course Amsterdam again. I hope to meet you there again Jeroen! .......... At least we have time enough to save!! ;D

Fieneke
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on March 05, 2011, 04:22:09 PM
I am already busy saving money again for the Tour of next year! Of course we aren't sure yet IF there will be a new Tour next year, but I want to be prepared and money shouldn't be the problem then!  ;D

Fieneke

Hey Fieneke,

I am saving too for a next tour, but when possible I will go, together with my brother in law, to New York city to see a concert.
Been to the RAH now and really want to see, and meet some people over there too.

Jeroen

I decided to go to the Royal Albert All once (or twice or...) again! It was great last year. Would be great to meet some fans there. This time I will
spend more time in London I am sure. The idea of doing something totally crazy starts working in my mind: Visiting one of the "Bullring" shows in Spain/Portugal whereever... The shows in the sun have always a very special mood and vibe, haven't they. Oh, and Amsterdam seems to be worth a go, too? Hm, I better start saving money soon!  :lol

Come on, Mark! You HAVE to release it this autumn to do a tour next year! I am ready! 

LE
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 05, 2011, 05:25:48 PM
If there is another tour in 2012, I wonder where it will begin - Europe or America?   I am hoping to go to more than last time, which was four concerts.  However many I attend, I still want more.... ;D
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on March 05, 2011, 11:34:10 PM
I'm sorry guys...The title of the topic is NOT correct. It was clear from the information posted everywhere that it is NOT DS reunion and it was clear that MK will not play there from the same beginning...that's why I posted another topic in the other section of the forum with the correct title...and hope it will NOT provoke so many rude comments as it happened here.

Respect to all of you...

Slavi   
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jarle on March 05, 2011, 11:58:02 PM
I'm sorry guys...The title of the topic is NOT correct. It was clear from the information posted everywhere that it is NOT DS reunion and it was clear that MK will not play there from the same beginning...that's why I posted another topic in the other section of the forum with the correct title...and hope it will NOT provoke so many rude comments as it happened here.

Respect to all of you...

Slavi   

You are right, Slavi... My fault! I put "" around DS, but I see that it might not be enough... It isn't DS, so it shouldn't say DS... 
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on March 06, 2011, 12:08:54 AM
So let's call it "STRAITS" Charity in RAH! Don't know if it is possible to change the title?

LE
Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on March 06, 2011, 12:22:48 AM
So let's call it "STRAITS" Charity in RAH! Don't know if it is possible to change the title?

LE

Would be great ( I think it's possible)...so the people who read the forum but which are not aware with the facts would not be misleaded.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 06, 2011, 01:44:43 AM
Done. :)

No rude comments though...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on March 06, 2011, 11:24:30 AM
Thanks Dusty!  :lol
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on March 07, 2011, 11:34:28 AM
I don't like them using that name int ha way because "The Straits" is the way I usally shorten the magic name and could be a bit confusing that this is not the real deal. A name ala "Dire Fake" ou "Straits of things" would be ok, but just "The Straits" : :disbelief



Title: Re: "DS" Charity in RAH?
Post by: Mossguitar on March 07, 2011, 12:00:40 PM
http://www.thestraits.com/home.php

the homepage has their version of Money for Nothing

mmmmm
Terrible version! You can say much about MK's singing ("mumbling"), but I've always treasured his phrasing/timing (both in his singing and playing, really). And this singer/guitarist lacks it completely imo.

(Greetings from the MK police)  ;)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on March 15, 2011, 02:05:40 PM
It depends on your own vision about it...

They are not Dire Straits, but they were "straits" as they were members of the band, and many of us call them Straits when we talk about them, so if the gather to play DS stuff, The Straits its a good name for them, as long as they dont add DIRE to their name.

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on March 15, 2011, 04:41:44 PM
It depends on your own vision about it...

They are not Dire Straits, but they were "straits" as they were members of the band, and many of us call them Straits when we talk about them, so if the gather to play DS stuff, The Straits its a good name for them, as long as they dont add DIRE to their name.



Just that when we will be speaking of the Straits nobody could sure about who we are refering, nothing to do about the fact that some musicians were part of the real deal, it was not like Cliff Richard and the Shadows. This naming is as dumb as fouding a cover band and call them The Stones... They both have become a trademark and therefore imho should not be used by third parties.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on March 15, 2011, 04:49:09 PM
They are not a cover band. They are THE BAND that played that songs...

Its not the same that listening to the great "Brothers in band" or that italian band which name I cant recall right now. They were the real musicians that played that songs and in some cases like Alan and Chris, they were the musicians that added great and lovely parts of music (nor credited as the "main song" was MK's) to songs like Walk of life or Romeo, Sultans etc...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on March 15, 2011, 04:55:39 PM
They are not a cover band. They are THE BAND that played that songs...

Its not the same that listening to the great "Brothers in band" or that italian band which name I cant recall right now. They were the real musicians that played that songs and in some cases like Alan and Chris, they were the musicians that added great and lovely parts of music (nor credited as the "main song" was MK's) to songs like Walk of life or Romeo, Sultans etc...


But the Straits were something else that this ersatz. And without John original bomp bomp bass sound it can't be the Straits.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 15, 2011, 05:03:22 PM
Personally I never refer to DS as "The Straits" so I don't see the problem. The Stones I could see.

Any word on ticket sales? My money is on this being cancelled, as alawys happy to be proved wrong...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on March 15, 2011, 05:06:26 PM
Personally I never refer to DS as "The Straits" so I don't see the problem. The Stones I could see.

Any word on ticket sales? My money is on this being cancelled, as alawys happy to be proved wrong...

http://www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/default/2011-22-05-1930/22837.aspx

Probably too big for them, but I guess the sales are going well.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on March 15, 2011, 05:26:23 PM
Too bad I won't attend because still good seats are available.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on March 15, 2011, 06:04:08 PM
Personally I never refer to DS as "The Straits" so I don't see the problem. The Stones I could see.

Any word on ticket sales? My money is on this being cancelled, as alawys happy to be proved wrong...

Killjoy!!! ;)
I've bought a ticket so that's 1. ;D
It's not like their playing multiple dates though.
Surely they'll fill the RAH????????! (Max capacity due to safety regs 5,544) source wikipedia.

I'm looking forward to it :)

Cheers   BBB


Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on March 15, 2011, 10:26:42 PM
Hey bbb,

now that is a great avatar! You are coming very close to mine..  :lol

I like it! Not that this would be important for anybody else...

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on March 15, 2011, 11:55:12 PM
I see it like a chance to see and listen to the musicians that played (and very likely composed) some of the parts of my Dire Straits favourite songs, so I
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 16, 2011, 12:17:56 AM
Dusty, I hope you are wrong with the cancelation.

Me too, personally I just want to see MK but I have no problem with people who take a different view and wish all the former DS members all the best in whatever they are doing.

They are all great musicians and I have enjoyed their playing over the years. :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on March 16, 2011, 09:32:57 AM
Hey bbb,

now that is a great avatar! You are coming very close to mine..  :lol

I like it! Not that this would be important for anybody else...

LE

I was going to pick the 'Love Over Gold' cover to beat you by 1 ;) ;D

Cheers   BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Geordieboy on March 16, 2011, 11:18:07 AM
... Life is short, so enjoy what life gives you specially if its good....

...yes but for me this fake-straits-reunion still garbage. Maybe they'll can play better/faster/rocky then Mark, but where is the Soul? Where is the Genius? Where is the Alchemyst?....no sorry, garbage!
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on March 16, 2011, 12:04:22 PM
... Life is short, so enjoy what life gives you specially if its good....

...yes but for me this fake-straits-reunion still garbage. Maybe they'll can play better/faster/rocky then Mark, but where is the Soul? Where is the Genius? Where is the Alchemyst?....no sorry, garbage!

The answer is simple : talent. But the task is difficult especially avoiding miscast (even MK did one at least) and find a way to make the thing sound good without Mark involved. We can't deny that when Alan will be playing that there won't be some soul in it, do we?

 
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Rollergirl on March 16, 2011, 02:46:22 PM
Dusty, I hope you are wrong with the cancelation.

Me too, personally I just want to see MK but I have no problem with people who take a different view and wish all the former DS members all the best in whatever they are doing.

They are all great musicians and I have enjoyed their playing over the years. :)

surely you don't mean ALL of them ?   ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 16, 2011, 03:26:44 PM
Dusty, I hope you are wrong with the cancelation.

Me too, personally I just want to see MK but I have no problem with people who take a different view and wish all the former DS members all the best in whatever they are doing.

They are all great musicians and I have enjoyed their playing over the years. :)

surely you don't mean ALL of them ?   ;D

Yup, even DK who I would say is the least technically gifted musician to play with DS over the years was more than adequate during those great early live gigs.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on March 16, 2011, 03:56:50 PM
Dusty, I hope you are wrong with the cancelation.

Me too, personally I just want to see MK but I have no problem with people who take a different view and wish all the former DS members all the best in whatever they are doing.

They are all great musicians and I have enjoyed their playing over the years. :)

surely you don't mean ALL of them ?   ;D

Yup, even DK who I would say is the least technically gifted musician to play with DS over the years was more than adequate during those great early live gigs.

Do you think that JI was technically better than DK?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Geordieboy on March 16, 2011, 04:21:04 PM

.... and find a way to make the thing sound good without Mark involved. ...
 

No, this is for me (IMHO) the mistake....No Mark, no Sultans. No Mark, no MFN. No Mark, no Telegraph...
This is a talented tribute band which tribute to itself. Ridiculous.

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 16, 2011, 04:44:57 PM
Do you think that JI was technically better than DK?

Hmm, very good question. Forgot about JI. Probably not, they are both competent but not really anything more. Neither would be able to go and get a job in another band as a session musician or whatever.

That said, MK didn't feel the need to have someone else play bass on record... except on BiA. Hmm. Dead heat I guess. :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on March 16, 2011, 05:51:33 PM
Do you think that JI was technically better than DK?

Hmm, very good question. Forgot about JI. Probably not, they are both competent but not really anything more. Neither would be able to go and get a job in another band as a session musician or whatever.

That said, MK didn't feel the need to have someone else play bass on record... except on BiA. Hmm. Dead heat I guess. :)

The official reason for Tony Levin ending on BIA is that John had broken thumb and thus was unavailable to play on One World.
Anyway John had its own style and sound, reason why DS would not be the same DS without him.
Fuckin' good memories listening playing again with Mark in 2002.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 16, 2011, 07:23:00 PM
Is it all John on Why Worry? Sounds like some fretless work.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Mossguitar on March 16, 2011, 07:31:52 PM
And how about Your Latest Trick? That's not John, is it?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on March 17, 2011, 07:44:53 AM
John certainly isn't a "fancy" player, but he keeps the beat and doesn't only stick to the root note :) I think he's playing and mellow sound was very right for Dire Straits. However, his live sound in the early days is probably some of the worst I have heard ... And the little progression he used during Tunnel of Love (when the song starts building up again, before the grand finale), a 1-3-5 progression in the key of F, that's just downright corny. Sounds like a cheesy swing thing.

Having said that, as great as Glenn is, I'm sometimes a little surprised about his choices. He really overplays at times and sometimes puts in some pretty weird stuff, chords even, which I'm not so sure is all that fitting. But - easy to say for an amateur armchair musician haha.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: xxFordiexx on March 17, 2011, 06:12:17 PM
John certainly isn't a "fancy" player, but he keeps the beat and doesn't only stick to the root note :) I think he's playing and mellow sound was very right for Dire Straits. However, his live sound in the early days is probably some of the worst I have heard ... And the little progression he used during Tunnel of Love (when the song starts building up again, before the grand finale), a 1-3-5 progression in the key of F, that's just downright corny. Sounds like a cheesy swing thing.

Having said that, as great as Glenn is, I'm sometimes a little surprised about his choices. He really overplays at times and sometimes puts in some pretty weird stuff, chords even, which I'm not so sure is all that fitting. But - easy to say for an amateur armchair musician haha.

I think it really comes down to style. There is no doubt that Glenn Worf is a technically better musician but there is something about John Illsley on bass for Dire Straits which was perfectly suited. His Sultans Of Swing bass in particular was perfect. Incidentally there is NO cheesy part to Tunnel Of Love full stop IMO  8)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: boboDS on March 18, 2011, 09:48:59 AM
Just one thing,


Oh man not Steve Ferrone!!  His style is even worse than when he was with EC in the 80s.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on March 19, 2011, 11:04:32 PM
Video from the rehearsals. Terence Reis (lead vocals and guitar) actually plays a Pensa-Suhr MK1 (not a Pensa or a Suhr). You'll see the headstock clearly at about 4:50.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8mDgmrYzUI

I think all in all they sound pretty good, except I can't quite get used to the vocals.


Found this clip of Terence Reis noodling on a beautiful Schecter. He certainly got the Knopfler sound down:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOIYVD8fyMg
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 20, 2011, 10:40:43 AM
Well, I've watched the video and again, good luck to them, but it's not for me.

Musically it's OK but there's not really any "connection" there for me. It might as well be a good cover band.

The keyboard player's yelping baking vocals are annoying as well.

More annoying though is this "for the first time in 20 years" business. Probably thought up by the marketing people and nothing to do with the band, but still.

I saw three members of Dire Straits perform Money for Nothing six years ago. Three years before that I saw five members playing it. So 20 years is total bollocks. Oh and these guys played all these songs with Jack Sonni a few months ago in Italy.

First time in 20 years my arse.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Kay Edvin on March 20, 2011, 11:24:34 AM
Sorry but this is crap....
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 20, 2011, 12:25:15 PM
I think they're just a good tribute band, nothing more.  Without MK, GF and JI there is no attraction for me, certainly no goosebumps!    

About the "for the first time in 20 years" blurb - it is totally misleading and untrue and should be removed!  
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: stefankock on March 20, 2011, 04:45:33 PM
I think they're just a good tribute band, nothing more.  Without MK, GF and JI there is no attraction for me, certainly no goosebumps!    

About the "for the first time in 20 years" blurb - it is totally misleading and untrue and should be removed!  

Imo not 'totally' misleading and untrue. The 'for the first time in 20 years' blurb is, imo, a reference to the fact that these 3 guys are playing those songs for the 'first time in 20 years' together and not so about the fact that these songs haven't been played during the last 20 years.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 20, 2011, 09:47:49 PM
Maybe "ambiguous" is a better description?    :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 20, 2011, 10:34:27 PM

Imo not 'totally' misleading and untrue. The 'for the first time in 20 years' blurb is, imo, a reference to the fact that these 3 guys are playing those songs for the 'first time in 20 years' together and not so about the fact that these songs haven't been played during the last 20 years.

Even if you take that interpretation it's still not true, as they played them in Italy with Jack Sonni last year.

http://www.jacksonni.com/mixed-emotions/
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on March 21, 2011, 10:28:54 AM
Maybe "ambiguous" is a better description?    :)

Same feeling.

They are not Dire Straits  but the  name, the visual, the tag.


The keyboard player's yelping baking vocals are annoying as well.


Funny remark when you think about the original "I want my I want my  I want my MMMTTTVVV..."

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 21, 2011, 11:39:57 AM

Funny remark when you think about the original "I want my I want my  I want my MMMTTTVVV..."



Sting didn't do all this "whoooaaaurgh" at the end of verses though, very annoying.

Alan Clark has written on his site

Quote
After just a few days rehearsal I can tell you this band rocks better than any Dire Straits line-up.

Hmmmmmmmm...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Tally on March 21, 2011, 12:19:36 PM
Can't say that this bothers me that much, except that calling them "The Straits" seems quite unnecessary. Actually, MK often refers to DS as "the Straits".

Anyway, the MFN clip was OK but not better than a decent tribute band.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 21, 2011, 12:57:58 PM

Anyway, the MFN clip was OK but not better than a decent tribute band.

I'm afraid you are wrong. Didn't you read the quote from Alan Clark? This band rocks "better" than ANY Dire Straits line up?

Yes, that's right. Better than Alchemy. Better than Sydney 86. Better than Basel 92. Better than Mandela.

Better in fact even than the line ups before Alan joined, because this band "rocks better" than any Dire Straits line up!
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 21, 2011, 01:12:05 PM
LOL!    Then why am I not getting tingles up my spine when I look at the clip?   Why don't I want to watch it over and over again like I do with Wembley '85, Basel '92, etc?   Oh, and don't they all look so darned PLEASED and self-satisfied with themselves! 
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 21, 2011, 01:22:55 PM
LOL!    Then why am I not getting tingles up my spine when I look at the clip?   Why don't I want to watch it over and over again like I do with Wembley '85, Basel '92, etc?   Oh, and don't they all look so darned PLEASED and self-satisfied with themselves! 

Funny, I was thinking Steve Ferrone didn't look all that happy to be there. Maybe that's just his style, but I can't help wondering if his arm was twisted by Alan Clark who is a good pal apparently. After all, Steve Ferrone has a very good career as drummer for Tom Petty.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on March 21, 2011, 01:25:12 PM
Well, if it can generate some money for the charity and exposure to Mark's music, I guess it's all good. I think this is better than for instance the thing in Australia, which was purely commercial. But musically ... Not really interested.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 21, 2011, 01:26:47 PM
Well, if it can generate some money for the charity and exposure to Mark's music, I guess it's all good.

Absolutely, but still unnecassry to mislead people about "first time in 20 years" and stuff like that IMO.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on March 21, 2011, 01:38:01 PM
Well, if it can generate some money for the charity and exposure to Mark's music, I guess it's all good.

Absolutely, but still unnecassry to mislead people about "first time in 20 years" and stuff like that IMO.
Yeah, that's taking a bit of a liberty. But as long as it's not a stunt to accelerate their own careers (well, who knows ...) and it can make the hype bigger and make more poeple come, the end might justify the means in this case. But it does stink a little.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on March 21, 2011, 02:33:50 PM
Well, if it can generate some money for the charity and exposure to Mark's music, I guess it's all good.

Absolutely, but still unnecassry to mislead people about "first time in 20 years" and stuff like that IMO.
Yeah, that's taking a bit of a liberty. But as long as it's not a stunt to accelerate their own careers (well, who knows ...) and it can make the hype bigger and make more poeple come, the end might justify the means in this case. But it does stink a little.

I don't agree that the end might justify the means in this case. Misleading people is never good and imo not acceptable.




Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Waterline Man on March 21, 2011, 05:52:42 PM
If I was in London I'd pay the few quid for a night out but I wouldnt be doing a John Candy on it & doing the  "Planes, Trains & Automobiles" thing to go to see them :o :o I wouldnt take too much notice of Alan Clarke's comment either as its more of a publicity stunt than anything to get bums on seats :o
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on March 21, 2011, 06:18:36 PM

Anyway, the MFN clip was OK but not better than a decent tribute band.

I'm afraid you are wrong. Didn't you read the quote from Alan Clark? This band rocks "better" than ANY Dire Straits line up?

Yes, that's right. Better than Alchemy. Better than Sydney 86. Better than Basel 92. Better than Mandela.

Better in fact even than the line ups before Alan joined, because this band "rocks better" than any Dire Straits line up!


"After just a few days rehearsal I can tell you this band rocks better than any Dire Straits line-up. Of course, we don't have the huge talent that is Mark Knopfler but we do have..."

To be fair the complete sentence is slightly more balanced.




Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on March 21, 2011, 11:54:12 PM
true.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on March 22, 2011, 12:16:55 AM

Anyway, the MFN clip was OK but not better than a decent tribute band.

I'm afraid you are wrong. Didn't you read the quote from Alan Clark? This band rocks "better" than ANY Dire Straits line up?

Yes, that's right. Better than Alchemy. Better than Sydney 86. Better than Basel 92. Better than Mandela.

Better in fact even than the line ups before Alan joined, because this band "rocks better" than any Dire Straits line up!


"After just a few days rehearsal I can tell you this band rocks better than any Dire Straits line-up. Of course, we don't have the huge talent that is Mark Knopfler but we do have..."

To be fair the complete sentence is slightly more balanced.






Exactly!

"For the first time in 20 years" Alan Clark, Phil Palmer & Chris White from Dire Straits...etc

This sentence is absolutely correct. Alan has played with Phil and Chris separately..but these THREE will really play TOGETHER again for the first time in 20 years and they have a REASON to do it. They have something to finish together these brave guys.

It was so sad for me to read some of your rude comments...comments which prove one more time they must do that. I think they deserve more respect and impartiality. It's a shame! But it's a matter of prejudiced minds...

There are also some signs for me the things will be changed in the future and they will be joined by other loved DS members...   

Kisses to all you sweet guys here...and superval
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on March 22, 2011, 12:23:48 AM
There are also some signs for me the things will be changed in the future and they will be joined by other loved DS members...   

What do you mean?

The unbelivable reunion?

Honest I do, I fear a last minute unannounced surprise appearance by The Man himself.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on March 22, 2011, 06:46:29 AM
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I don't agree that the end might justify the means in this case. Misleading people is never good and imo not acceptable.

Absolutely. If they intentionally set out to mislead people into thinking that this is a Dire Straits reunion, I agree with you 100%. They don't do that though, and even if someone could have understood it as a reunion, I don't really have problem with it


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Honest I do, I fear a last minute unannounced surprise appearance by The Man himself.

No chance.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 22, 2011, 09:27:42 AM
Slavi - I understand completely how excited you and others are about this reunion, especially as you are such a huge fan of Chris, but I am being honest when I say that it is just not my cup of tea and doesn't excite me at all!  If it did, there is no question that I would be there like a shot!  I was not being rude, just expressing my opinion, which everyone is entitled to do on this forum.  I do hope you all have a great evening, though and who knows, MK may turn up, but I doubt it - I think pigs might fly!   ;D    

I feel I must ask you, though, as you are a great fan of Chris, would you still be as enthusiastic about this reunion and travel from Bulgaria to attend, if he wasn't there?

BTW the completed sentence makes a lot of difference and I hope that a lot of money is made for the charity.    :)
 
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 22, 2011, 12:31:44 PM

This sentence is absolutely correct. Alan has played with Phil and Chris separately..but these THREE will really play TOGETHER again for the first time in 20 years

OK, first of all that's fair enough and I apologise for suggesting otherwise, even if it is actually 19 years since they played together. ;)

they have a REASON to do it. They have something to finish together these brave guys.

What do they have to finish together? And why are they brave?

I think they deserve more respect and impartiality. It's a shame! But it's a matter of prejudiced minds...

Slavi, it
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Hoops McCann on March 22, 2011, 01:34:35 PM
Well, if it can generate some money for the charity and exposure to Mark's music, I guess it's all good.

Absolutely, but still unnecassry to mislead people about "first time in 20 years" and stuff like that IMO.

How else are they going to get unknowing people to attend? Put up rehearsal videos and claim it's the best band ever? Oh wait...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Geordieboy on March 22, 2011, 05:38:09 PM

... It's a shame! But it's a matter of prejudiced minds...


No. It's only a different point of view then your...We can?
I respect the musicians....but i don't respect the way they do. And after the latests Alan words.....oh God...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on March 22, 2011, 05:42:50 PM

... It's a shame! But it's a matter of prejudiced minds...


No. It's only a different point of view then your...We can?
I respect the musicians....but i don't respect the way they do. And after the latests Alan words.....oh God...

So you have the right to say your opinion but Alan don't have that right?  :o
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on March 22, 2011, 05:43:51 PM
Dusty, why do you think I take it personally? My name is not mentioned at any page of this topic to take it personally.  ;D

I read the whole topic some times carefully and felt that some of you are angry. OK! I can understand that and I even know very well why you are angry. But I'm not going to write why because I'm afraid you will start to throw stones and rocks on my screen and it will be a total vast of time.

The reason why I wrote my previous post was I thought this anger made your comments prejudiced, unfair and rude so you all got this "for the first time in 20 years' sentence wrong.

So if you still insist to be on this opinion and prejudiced, please, don't read the rest of my post

Well, we've got a website:

http://www.thestraits.com/home.php

The subjects of the website are Alan, Chris, Phil calling themselves "The Straits"...there is also a picture of them as they can't be mistaken...

Now there is also A SENTENCE with a grammatical subjects (Alan, Chris, Phil), a predicate/verb (perform) an object ( greatest hits) and grammatical adjunct for time "for the first time in 20 years"( put over the sentence ) .

There is also such a sentence - see the right side of the page below - "Alan Clark, Phil Palmer & Chris White from Dire Straits reunite for the first time in 20 years"

What's wrong with that sentence or the meaning? It's true...these three really play together for the first time in 20 years ( OK...Let be 19...LOL) Come on...It's so simple to get it...LOL    

I'm really astonished and horrified how you all continue to insist this sentence is wrong...must be removed or it is to attract more audience...Now I will correct myself to be more proper - you are not rude...your comments were rude, angry and prejudiced...and I think these guys don't deserve it.

Chris was DS memeber for 2 tours (how many concerts?)...Phil was for only 1 tour ( how many concerts or months or time?)...and what about Alan - how many time, songs, albums, concerts etc?...Why they should not call themselves like that, perform these songs again if they enjoy that so much? And at last why they should not find somebody to play if MK don't want to...Shell we respect their opinions and wishes or we will respect OURS ( or screaming - Dusty I don't quote you here - "it's my opinion!!") only?

Now I wrote "to respect their opinion and wish" and stop with the rude comments...I don't said you must like what they do...

Still loving you all  ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on March 22, 2011, 05:56:44 PM
Ah...and Geordieboy...weren't you (or your friend?) who made a record of the concert of the guys in Gambassi Di Terme and promissed to send me a copy?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Rollergirl on March 22, 2011, 06:05:07 PM

Now there is also A SENTENCE with a grammatical subjects (Alan, Chris, Phil), a predicate/verb (perform) an object ( greatest hits) and grammatical adjunct for time "for the first time in 20 years"( put over the sentence ) .
(....)


you are a teacher, aren't you?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 22, 2011, 06:07:49 PM
Slavi - You haven't answered my question.    As you are a huge fan of Chris, would you still be as enthusiastic about this event and travel from Bulgaria to attend, if Chris wasn't involved?   :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Banjo99uk on March 22, 2011, 06:54:30 PM
I could easily go to this living where I do but I won't be attending. I just can't get excited about it.  It kind of reminds me of the sort of concert people do when someone has died. Or of Queen trying to carry on without Mercury, no matter how hard they try it doesn't seem right and almost sad.  I'm sure there's no cynical reason to do this gig other than a group of musicians doing what they love doing, but I still don't get it. Saying that I hope it's a huge success.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on March 22, 2011, 08:14:16 PM
Don't call me ar$
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on March 22, 2011, 09:33:40 PM
Slavi - You haven't answered my question.    As you are a huge fan of Chris, would you still be as enthusiastic about this event and travel from Bulgaria to attend, if Chris wasn't involved?   :)

I'm not sure Val...probaly not, because I can't afford to travel as much as I would wish. But he IS...so I don't need to think about  ;D

LE, a bad prediction with small letters...if it would happen it would be a big disaster for my budget...are you happy now to predict it?  :o  :lol

Just read Guy's forum about the concert in RAH...the things there and the comments...some of them are really funny trying to make intrigues between Mark, Guy and the others...or to insist that MK must rule to the others. Is that the well known intelligent audience DS had in the past??

BTW, I thought my English is very bad...up to now:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on March 22, 2011, 09:54:07 PM
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LE, a bad prediction with small letters...if it would happen it would be a big disaster for my budget...are you happy now to predict it?  :o  :lol

Just read Guy's forum about the concert in RAH...the things there and the comments...some of them are really funny trying to make intrigues between Mark, Guy and the others...or to insist that MK must rule to the others. Is that the well known inteligent audience DS had in the past??

BTW, I thought my English is very bad...since today  :lol :lol :lol

Oh, no, Slavi, I had not in mind to spoil the event for you (and if it really would be cancelled, I am sure you would get your money back...) I had this feeling from the very first day I read the announcement. I just cannot imagine a full RAH, but as I said, it is great if I would shown the opposite - and it is for a good cause, too! So I wish you the best and good fun, and it is great to have some AMIT-people there (BBB will going, too) and have first hand reports about the "Straits".  :)

About bad English, I had started a thread about MK's songwriting the other day and since then I am not very confident in my writing anymore... so if you found some mistakes - the message matters - or am I lost in translation here...  ::)

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on March 22, 2011, 10:56:27 PM
They don't give money back for unused plane tickets or hotel reservations  :lol :lol :lol

About the English - I thought about mine, not yours!!  :o
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Geordieboy on March 23, 2011, 09:07:16 AM
Ah...and Geordieboy...weren't you (or your friend?) who made a record of the concert of the guys in Gambassi Di Terme and promissed to send me a copy?

 :o :o :o What you're talking about. I never meet you...sorry.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on March 23, 2011, 10:01:55 AM
My mistake...Sorry!
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Geordieboy on March 23, 2011, 10:26:34 AM
No problem. ;)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 23, 2011, 10:45:32 AM
Slavi - You haven't answered my question.    As you are a huge fan of Chris, would you still be as enthusiastic about this event and travel from Bulgaria to attend, if Chris wasn't involved?   :)

I'm not sure Val...probaly not, because I can't afford to travel as much as I would wish. But he IS...so I don't need to think about  ;D


Thank you Slavi!     :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Waterline Man on March 23, 2011, 12:03:12 PM
Lets be honest here,we are all big nuthead DS/MK fans who worship everything DS/MK stands for :o :o I think if you were to check the address of the people that are going to attend the gig you will find that they mostly live in the greater London area - I dont see too many people travelling from other countries to see three former members of DS perform,no matter what they promote it as - as I have said previously if I was in London I'd be up there in a shot as it would be an opportunity not to be missed & at the end of the day I listen to their music every day so why not go to see them live even if MK wasnt there.
I remember JI & Greg Pearle were on a tour of Ireland a few years ago & they played about a 3 hrs drive away from where I live.It would have been a pain in the arse to get there & back & I didnt go but I've a pain in my arse from kicking myself since - my point being that theres a certain distance people will travel for something like this.

Thats my 2 cents worth ::) 
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 23, 2011, 12:34:09 PM
I read the whole topic some times carefully and felt that some of you are angry. OK! I can understand that and I even know very well why you are angry.

I can
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: joanzimm on March 24, 2011, 12:19:16 AM
If I lived near London, I would go .... mainly because they're playing all MK music, and I wouldn't mind seeing Phil Palmer.  I think it's quite a compliment to MK that they are devoting an entire concert to his songs.  At least I assume they are only playing his music.  
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jakehadlee on March 25, 2011, 12:28:35 AM
Not sure what to think about this one - marketing is a bit cheeky, but essentially they are a very good tribute band with a legitimate connection to DS. As for calling themselves "The Straits" - well, they wouldn't have called themselves "The Dire"!!

I don't think I'd go - I don't really like tribute bands (despite being in one!), but as long as people know what to expect then I suspect it will be a good night.

But it does feel a bit like going to see Blondie without Deborah Harry, or Simon and Garfunkle without Simon. MK is/was Dire Straits and really this is just some of his backing musicians.

The guy standing in for him is obviously a very good guitarist, but to me the guitar in their version of MFN is more Richie Blackmore than Mark Knopfler. And the joy of Mark's voice was that he can't sing, but in the same way that Bob Dylan and Tom Waits can't sing - which is much cooler than the waaugghh!!! singing of your average rawk star, which is what this guy is doing.

It reminds of a review I read of the Notting Hillbillies album where the reviewer complained how few songs MK sang on saying his under-use was like "being superman and then choosing to take the bus to work".

Good luck to them all the same, like I say it'll probably be a great night out and the standard of musicianship will be high even without the inimitable MK voice/guitar.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Fletch on March 25, 2011, 12:38:17 AM
Hey Jake, nice to hear you here. Very good comments. I do like the superman analogy, lol!
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jakehadlee on March 25, 2011, 12:44:47 AM
Hey Fletch! How do - I've only just discovered this forum, thanks to your post on MK Guitar Style about the Walk of Life tracks. Looks like a lively community!
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 25, 2011, 07:40:43 AM
Hi Jake, welcome to the self-proclaimed best Mark Knopfler forum in the world!


It reminds of a review I read of the Notting Hillbillies album where the reviewer complained how few songs MK sang on saying his under-use was like "being superman and then choosing to take the bus to work".


Like it. Similar to some Steely Dan fans saying that getting MK in and then mixing him right down was like getting Picaso to paint your garden fence. :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 28, 2011, 11:22:19 AM
Well, to avoid being accused of being "rude" or "prejudiced" I'm just going to post this and keep my thoughts to myself.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/entertainment/article988979.ece/SA-musician-gets-call-from-Dire-Straits

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SA musician gets call from Dire Straits
Guitarist 'burst out laughing' when famous band made offer
Mar 26, 2011 11:42 PM | By PREGA GOVENDER

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When British rock band Dire Straits found themselves without a front man they called up renowned Johannesburg musician Terence Reis.

 
SULTAN OF SWING: Terence Reis will front for Dire Straits at a London charity event

Reis, from Northcliff, Johannesburg, will be making his first appearance with the band when they play at a charity event at London's Royal Albert Hall in May - their first gig in 20 years.

Reis, 48, who returned to South Africa last year after spending seven years in the UK, said the band's keyboard player, Alan Clark, called him in November to inquire whether he would be interested in working with them.

"I was reading (Rolling Stones legend) Keith Richard's autobiography, a book I got for my birthday. My guitar was on my bed and the sun was streaming through the window when the phone rang.

"This guy asked me a couple of questions to check whether he was talking to the right person. Then he said, 'I am Alan Clark and I'm the keyboard player from Dire Straits.' I thought it was a joke. He asked me if I was interested in fronting for the band and I burst out laughing."

The band's most popular hits in the '80s and '90s included Sultans of Swing, Romeo and Juliet, Money For Nothing and Tunnel of Love. Their album Brothers in Arms sold 30-million copies worldwide.

The band's original front man and lead guitarist, Mark Knopfler, who has gone solo, dissolved it in 1995.

Other founding members were Knopfler's younger brother, David, John Illsley and Pick Withers.

Reis was asked to send a demo recording of his music and, after a month, Clark told him he could join the gig. "It sounds almost unbelievable but it really was that simple."

Reis, who starred in the South African TV series The Game and the miniseries Homeland, as well as in the hit musical Buddy that toured the country in the mid-'90s, suspected that Clark had watched footage of his band, Waterhorse, on the internet.

Reis, who went to the UK to take a break from acting, ended up playing for Waterhorse, which was based in Canterbury.

While there he met and married occupational therapist Joanna. They have a two-year-old son, Junot. Reis also has a 16-year-old daughter, Dancya, from a previous marriage.

Other band members include session guitarist Phil Palmer, saxophonist Chris White, drummer Steve Ferrone, second keyboard player Jamie Squire and Mick Feat on bass.

"Dire Straits is still a solid rock band and it has an instantly recognisable thumbprint," said Reis, who returned from rehearsals with band members last month.

He was born in Durban but grew up in what was then Lourenco Marques in Mozambique. His mother was English while his father, who was involved in import and export, was Portuguese-Welsh.

Reis completed his primary school education in Mozambique before becoming a boarder and matriculating at Kearsney College, KwaZulu-Natal. It was while at Kearsney that he discovered Dire Straits.

"That's the first time I heard Sultans of Swing. It was also the first time I picked up a guitar."

Going to Wits to do a BA in drama, he began to take a serious interest in the guitar . "I had a black Fernandes. I remember getting up early in the morning to play for an hour before lectures ."

He said he was encouraged by a roommate to play at "the Dev" - the Devonshire Hotel in Braamfontein, a popular student haunt at the time.

Said Reis, who will be leaving for London in May for more rehearsals: "It's exhilarating; it's an enormous amount of work and I have a very, very short time to catch up."
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on March 28, 2011, 11:57:21 AM
I hope Mark and Guy get to read this!    ;)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Waterline Man on March 28, 2011, 01:10:43 PM
Well if my phone rings this week & some guy asks me to confirm who I am I'll have to be carefull not to hang up too quickly - you'd never know they might be looking for a tea boy & thats my speciallity :P :P :o

I dont want to put anyones nose out of joint but it sounds very amateurish to me,its nothing I'd be going too much out of my way to see anyway.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Tally on March 28, 2011, 01:52:09 PM
Well, considering that they got some guy from South Africa to do it, rather than they guy at the local pub, it seems that they did spend some time thinking about who might be suitable  :) There may be even better MK clones out there, but he seems fine on the guitar.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 28, 2011, 02:03:43 PM
Well, considering that they got some guy from South Africa to do it, rather than they guy at the local pub, it seems that they did spend some time thinking about who might be suitable  :) There may be even better MK clones out there, but he seems fine on the guitar.

I don't think anyone is concerned about the appointment of Terence Reis.

The concern is that that article state quite clearly that he is joining Dire Straits, not "The Straits".

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 28, 2011, 05:59:25 PM
Amusing answer from Guy when asked if The Straits had asked permission.

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No they didn't ask but as with any other covers/tribute band, they don't need to.

Snigger.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on March 28, 2011, 06:02:38 PM
But calling themselves The Straits it was direly inevitable.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Tally on March 28, 2011, 06:17:22 PM
Well, considering that they got some guy from South Africa to do it, rather than they guy at the local pub, it seems that they did spend some time thinking about who might be suitable  :) There may be even better MK clones out there, but he seems fine on the guitar.

I don't think anyone is concerned about the appointment of Terence Reis.

The concern is that that article state quite clearly that he is joining Dire Straits, not "The Straits".

In fact I was replying to Waterline Man rather than you, Dusty.

One wonders if they tried to get a DS drummer to do it.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on March 28, 2011, 10:41:58 PM

In fact I was replying to Waterline Man rather than you, Dusty.

One wonders if they tried to get a DS drummer to do it.

Apologies, I tend to ignore Waterline Man's posts. ;)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Geordieboy on March 29, 2011, 09:59:21 AM
Well, to avoid being accused of being "rude" or "prejudiced" I'm just going to post this and keep my thoughts to myself.

I want to be  "rude" and a "prejudiced mind"...

when i read....

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SA musician gets call from Dire Straits

from WHO??????????? From Dire Straits?  What can i say? Rubbish, garbage, shame.... Oh yes, but someone gonna tell us that's a "simple mistake" from the author, he should call them "the best dire straits line-up of all times".

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Waterline Man on March 30, 2011, 12:28:32 PM

In fact I was replying to Waterline Man rather than you, Dusty.

One wonders if they tried to get a DS drummer to do it.

Apologies, I tend to ignore Waterline Man's posts. ;)

Ta :o noted in my little black book ;) :'( :-*
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on March 30, 2011, 05:23:04 PM
Well, to avoid being accused of being "rude" or "prejudiced" I'm just going to post this and keep my thoughts to myself.

I want to be  "rude" and a "prejudiced mind"...

when i read....

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SA musician gets call from Dire Straits



from WHO??????????? From Dire Straits?  What can i say? Rubbish, garbage, shame.... Oh yes, but someone gonna tell us that's a "simple mistake" from the author, he should call them "the best dire straits line-up of all times".



Remember last summer  when Dire Straits was already used to advertise a live gig.

One day it will really happen.
Or not.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Geordieboy on March 30, 2011, 07:20:40 PM
Well, to avoid being accused of being "rude" or "prejudiced" I'm just going to post this and keep my thoughts to myself.

I want to be  "rude" and a "prejudiced mind"...

when i read....

Quote
SA musician gets call from Dire Straits



from WHO??????????? From Dire Straits?  What can i say? Rubbish, garbage, shame.... Oh yes, but someone gonna tell us that's a "simple mistake" from the author, he should call them "the best dire straits line-up of all times".



Remember last summer  when Dire Straits was already used to advertise a live gig.


....yes it was the same shame  :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on March 31, 2011, 01:23:35 AM
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Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on March 31, 2011, 11:16:10 PM
Well, considering that they got some guy from South Africa to do it, rather than they guy at the local pub, it seems that they did spend some time thinking about who might be suitable  :) There may be even better MK clones out there, but he seems fine on the guitar.

I don't think anyone is concerned about the appointment of Terence Reis.

The concern is that that article state quite clearly that he is joining Dire Straits, not "The Straits".



The concern is that that article state quite clearly that he is joining Dire Straits, not "The Straits"...yeah  namely the article, written by a journalist which is not very aware  ;D
I'm pretty sure Terence Reis knows very well that he joined The Straits but not Dire Straits...Actually he said he had a call from Alan Clark - I think the other is the journalist's  interpretation.

Googled a bit and found a couple of articles with the same mistake - it's all about the journalists, alaways searching for sensations, not very precise with the information and sometimes specially not precise.

But I can't agree these articles could be used to discredit Alan Clark, Phil Palmer and Chris White or the things they do at the moment.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on April 03, 2011, 07:21:47 PM
More on "The Straits" saga!

Kearsney Old Boy guitarist to front for Dire Straits

When he first heard Dire Straits, as a Kearsney boarder, Terence Reis (1980) knew something significant had just happened in the music world. What he didn
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on April 03, 2011, 07:55:13 PM

And now he
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 03, 2011, 09:03:11 PM
yeah  namely the article, written by a journalist which is not very aware  ;D

Seems that a number of journalists are getting mixed up here. Tut-tut.

I would say it's a heresy, but Terence doesn't go online...

But just in case

HI TERENCE! WELCOME TO THE BEST MK FORUM IN THE WORLD! CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR APPOINTMENT AS THE NEW FRONTMAN OF DIRE STRAITS!
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 03, 2011, 09:42:41 PM
I was intrigued by Terence's comments about online controversy, so I went looking for it.

I went to the official forum at Markknopfler.com and there were only 5 posts or something.

I went to MK news and there wasn't much discussion of this or, um, anything over there.

So am I missing another outlet or is Terence talking about AMIT? ;)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Banjo99uk on April 03, 2011, 09:52:29 PM
 
Looking at EC's tour dates the 22nd is his night off during 11 nights at The Albert Hall.  So not part of an EC concert as such.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: xxFordiexx on April 03, 2011, 11:42:47 PM
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/news/2011-1/april/2/rockers_dire_straits_dream-1.aspx

Oh dear, really?

First time these hits have been played bit really gets my goat. Anyway no Knopfler = No Dire Straits IMO
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 04, 2011, 07:52:38 AM
One journalist getting it wrong and calling it a Dire Straits reunion you can understand.

But three articles in a row suggests a deliberate campaign of misinformation...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 04, 2011, 08:15:59 AM
And again. :(

http://www.musicradar.com/rhythm/steve-ferrone-joins-dire-straits-charity-gig-408252?cpn=RSS&source=MRRHYTHM
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: shangri la 1 on April 04, 2011, 08:16:35 AM
 ::)  :disbelief Yes well said Dusty!! I thought exactly that when I read it!! The whole thing is looking a bit smelly from my angle and as far as I'm concerned we should almost place this thread in the almost straits board!!  :disbelief Unless they come out and say that it is a tribute band then I think it's obvious that some of these guys are just trying to reminisce their past glories. I remember J.I. saying in an interview in Oz during the BIA tour where he was asked about the "band" without Mark in it. His answer was that there wouldn't be a band without Mark in it! What's changed?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Geordieboy on April 04, 2011, 08:50:54 AM
But three articles in a row suggests a deliberate campaign of misinformation...

 :disbelief
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on April 04, 2011, 09:47:28 AM
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/news/2011-1/april/2/rockers_dire_straits_dream-1.aspx


"The band, called The Straits, will play a one-off charity show supporting Eric Clapton."

Really?

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on April 04, 2011, 11:07:36 AM
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/news/2011-1/april/2/rockers_dire_straits_dream-1.aspx

This has to be the best one: He said: 'A man rang up one day and said 'I
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: boboDS on April 04, 2011, 12:11:22 PM
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/news/2011-1/april/2/rockers_dire_straits_dream-1.aspx

This has to be the best one: He said: 'A man rang up one day and said 'I
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: schmonka on April 04, 2011, 01:21:33 PM
Ive been reading these past 12 pages - relatively quietly and for me - i think they are going a bit OTT with the whole The Straits/Dire Straits thing - reporters dont help actually calling this cover band Dire Straits.....because they most certainly arent!

I have a horrible feeling a lot of people will go to The Albert Hall and actually be dissapointed - they will want to see the real Dire Straits which includes MK - and as we all know he wont be there....this may leave a very bitter taste in the mouth.

Not everyone is as internet savvy as us and will see this as the real act reforming and not be some of the group over the years without the one thing that made Dire Straits actually Dire Straits - i know its for charity - but i think a lot of people could end up being very bitter when they realise this group was never actually going to be the real Dire Straits.....sad but true.... :(

No MK = No Dire Straits - end of!  And for me - i wouldnt want Dire Straits to reform anyway - things are MUCH better now in terms of album quality and options for seeing MK live!
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on April 04, 2011, 01:29:44 PM
And for me - i wouldnt want Dire Straits to reform anyway - things are MUCH better now in terms of album quality and options for seeing MK live!

Totally agree!   All of those "fans" who deserted him when he went solo would be back and those of us who have supported him throughout everything would be battling for tickets and probably end up on row ZZ!    :o   
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 04, 2011, 01:51:36 PM
those of us who have supported him throughout everything   

lol, I know what you mean Val but this phrase suggests some sort of horror story during his solo years when of course the opposite is true. :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on April 04, 2011, 01:59:10 PM
those of us who have supported him throughout everything   

lol, I know what you mean Val but this phrase suggests some sort of horror story during his solo years when of course the opposite is true. :)

Yes, perhaps I phrased it very badly!    I have enjoyed every moment of MK solo and, selfishly, I don't fancy sharing him with those  fine weather fans !    Besides, I want to be cheering him from the front, not the back (selfishness again)!   ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on April 04, 2011, 02:15:33 PM
Anyway if The Real Straits were back you would count me in even if this would  give me seats not closer than the back of an arena.

To add to the journalist badly informed case I don't remember any Dire Straits gig in 2002...despite we were pretty close to but it wasn't.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on April 04, 2011, 02:21:00 PM
Anyway if The Real Straits were back you would count me in even if this would  give me seats not closer than the back of an arena.

Yes, of course, I would be there too, but probably not too happy if I could only see a speck in the distance, after having been  spoiled by being very close-up at the stageside!   ;)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 04, 2011, 02:30:07 PM
Anyway if The Real Straits were back you would count me in even if this would  give me seats not closer than the back of an arena.

To add to the journalist badly informed case I don't remember any Dire Straits gig in 2002...despite we were pretty close to but it wasn't.

MK himself has referred to those gigs as a Dire Straits reunion, even though it was billed as Mark Knopfler and Friends.

I would of course go and see a reformed Dire Straits, but like Val I would rather go and see MK solo "under the radar".
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on April 04, 2011, 07:51:12 PM
Pandora's Box was opened... ;D ;D ;D
That's what happens when somebody mentiones the flying sentence "Dire Straits Reunion"!!!

But The Straits concert at RAH has nothing to do with it - it's clear from their website, FB, Twitter page etc..

I'm sure their managment will make the right promotion and nobody won't be misguided - at last you see which tickets you buy for.

To alarm MK about what? That some journalists want to make cheap sensations or are ignorant? Hahahaha...that's funny. He has never paid attention to these things!!

As for me - I will support MK solo...I will support MK with DS or as DS....I will continue to support Alan Phil and Chris ( or John Illsley) who just want to remember the great moments they had together ( not the glory - each of them had it so many times and with different musicians) and to pay a tribute to these wonderful songs loved by so many people, playing them again for charity which is the  only one purpose - This info I got from CW directly!

I have never met Phil Palmer but spoke some times with Alan and many times with Chris and I want to assure  you all - these guys are sincere and respectable and also wonderful musicians which MK and Guy respect and love so much...They are friends and they have never made any try to make the oposite! ::) ::) ::) ::)

I don't know why there was so many negativism on this topic about their concert and so many bad feelings - "I won't go" or "I don't like" would be enough... ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: sweetsurrender on April 05, 2011, 06:42:10 AM
Very well stated Slavi.  I totally agreed with what you said. 
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Shooter on April 05, 2011, 12:47:34 PM
It's a shame that some people are being as negative as they are on here... The Straits are simply some of the guys who have been part of DS, wanting to play those songs again. Nobody is even attempting to take anything away from Mark - if anything, it is a fitting tribute to all Mark did in the band. They are not calling themselves Dire Straits, in the same way Velvet Revolver didn't call themselves Guns n Roses - and i wish them luck with doing something they clearly enjoy.

From a personal point of view, I have to say that Terence Reis is humbled and excited about playing with members of one of his all-time favourite bands, and wants to do the songs justice. Surely nobody can be bitter about that? He is a fantastic guitar player and vocalist in his own right, and doesn't wantto even try and imitate Mark (who could, anyway?), but will respect the songs and the opportunity he has to play with Alan, Phil and Chris in particular.  I know this, because Terence is my friend and bandmate in Waterhorse. So guys, let's get behind what is quite simply a bunch of fantastic musicians getting together to play the songs of a band, and songwriter, we all enjoy.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 05, 2011, 02:02:07 PM
From a personal point of view, I have to say that Terence Reis is humbled and excited about playing with members of one of his all-time favourite bands, and wants to do the songs justice. Surely nobody can be bitter about that? He is a fantastic guitar player and vocalist in his own right, and doesn't wantto even try and imitate Mark (who could, anyway?), but will respect the songs and the opportunity he has to play with Alan, Phil and Chris in particular.  I know this, because Terence is my friend and bandmate in Waterhorse. So guys, let's get behind what is quite simply a bunch of fantastic musicians getting together to play the songs of a band, and songwriter, we all enjoy.

Welcome to our forum Shooter. :)

I can't be bothered reading through the whole thread again but I don't think any of us have been critical of Terence. I don't think there is anyone here who would turn down the opportunity to play with these guys so good luck to him.

The bit people have a problem with is the fact that this is being billed by some people as a Dire Straits reunion, when clearly it isn't. As has been stated, it could just be that some journalists have got the wrong end of the stick.

playing them again for charity which is the  only one purpose - This info I got from CW directly!

Slavi, if this is true then it's great, and amazing. These guys are putting in a lot of effort for just one show -

Rehearsals in February
Flying Terence over twice from South Africa
More rehearsals before the show
Cost of making the website, Twitter etc

As I say, a lot of effort for just one show.

If the charity is the only purpose of all this as you say, then great.

You can call me a cynic, but I won't be surprised if soon after the "one off" charity show we get an announcement along the lines of

Quote
Due to the incredible success of their gig at The Royal Albert Hall, and massive demand from fans, The Straits are pleased to announce that they will be playing at a number of music festivals throughout Europe this summer, starting with...

Even their site has a "Dates" (plural) page - why dates? They are only playing one date, aren't they?

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on April 05, 2011, 02:16:34 PM

You can call me a cynic, but I won't be surprised if soon after the "one off" charity show we get an announcement along the lines of

Quote
Due to the incredible success of their gig at The Royal Albert Hall, and massive demand from fans, The Straits are pleased to announce that they will be playing at a number of music festivals throughout Europe this summer, starting with...

Even their site has a "Dates" (plural) page - why dates? They are only playing one date, aren't they?



You cynic  ;D

I, and I
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on April 05, 2011, 02:55:33 PM
I'm just sceptical that it could turn out to be "the thin end of the wedge" and I feel there could be a hidden agenda!  We'll see soon enough! :-\
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 05, 2011, 03:10:29 PM
I'm just sceptical that it could turn out to be "the thin end of the wedge" and I feel there could be a hidden agenda!  We'll see soon enough! :-\

Slavi has assured us that it is only for this charity gig.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Banjo99uk on April 05, 2011, 05:26:15 PM
I bet my wife's new car there will be more gigs.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 05, 2011, 05:30:56 PM
I bet my wife's new car there will be more gigs.

playing them again for charity which is the  only one purpose - This info I got from CW directly!

Chris White has told Slavi there will be only one gig and surely we must trust his word.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pyroaction on April 05, 2011, 09:43:57 PM
You can have them for your birthday or your wedding :

(http://www.working-on-it.com/public/ds2private.jpg)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on April 05, 2011, 09:58:40 PM
Robert Collins FOH sound, and Terry Kilburn as road manager? Did we know that already? I think I missed something during the last 13 pages... Maybe that is why it is so quiet "over there"  (j u s t    k i d d i n ' )  ;)

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 05, 2011, 10:58:47 PM
You can have them for your birthday or your wedding :

(http://www.working-on-it.com/public/ds2private.jpg)


Wow.  :o

Where to start...

I guess with the fact that three of the four people in the picture aren't in The Straits.  ::)

My French is a bit rusty so maybe someone can translate... This is offering their services for further charity gigs, right?

Right?  :-\

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Banjo99uk on April 06, 2011, 01:16:22 AM
according to google translation and my French lessons from 20 years ago it says something like

click image to see a video of the band rehearsing in London in February 2011
for the first time in 20 years ex-musicians of legendary dire straits came together to revive etc etc

accompanied by great musicians from the international scene

for private events

Apologies to French speakers if thats completely wrong.  I guess the plan for The Straits is to get out there and do some gigging.


Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on April 06, 2011, 09:35:30 AM
I notice that Robert Collins was Mark's FOH Engineer until the Shangri-La tour.  FOH since then is Dave Dixon.  Robert Collins also works with EC, which would make sense as the gig comes in the middle of EC's residency at the RAH.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: shangri la 1 on April 06, 2011, 09:48:53 AM
 ::)  :disbelief  :-\ I see from the poster that they have found themselves a great Manager!! Wonder if there will be any free tickets on offer?? Like those offered in the past?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 06, 2011, 10:38:18 AM
Don't think I have ever seen band promotional materials mentioning the front of house guy and road manager before, this must be a new innovation.

I wonder what our new member Jack Sonni thinks of his image being used to promote an act in this way...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Shooter on April 06, 2011, 09:42:29 PM

The bit people have a problem with is the fact that this is being billed by some people as a Dire Straits reunion, when clearly it isn't. As has been stated, it could just be that some journalists have got the wrong end of the stick.

Hey, no i agree 100% that it isn't a Dire Straits reunion - and i do think that the press are behind most of it. And regarding  some of the speculation as to whether there will be more gigs - i don't think the band know that themselves yet, but if the RAH gig goes well, then why not?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 07, 2011, 08:12:13 AM
but if the RAH gig goes well, then why not?

Because they said it was a "one off" for charity?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Shooter on April 07, 2011, 11:02:37 AM
I'm just saying, if the guys subsequently decided they wanted to do more in the future - there's nothing wrong in that.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 07, 2011, 11:17:28 AM
I'm just saying, if the guys subsequently decided they wanted to do more in the future - there's nothing wrong in that.

Unfortunately the apparent existence of promotional material touting their services around France suggests that that decision has already been made.

Like I said, nobody has a problem with them making music. The problem is the way it has been handled by whoever does their publicity, as the current evidence suggests that they have arranged this supposdedly "one off" event for charity as a means of gaining publicity for what is in fact an entirely commercial enterprise.

Just my opinion, but my opinion is that it stinks.

And again, for the avoidance of doubt, this is not directed at the musicians.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on April 10, 2011, 04:25:38 PM
That poster looks like fake to me...

Who uploaded it and where it was found? The photo and some of the references looks like someone trying to suggest they only want to make money of the thing...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on April 15, 2011, 08:49:05 PM
Just got my tix through the post today for the Straits.
It says plus support! :o
I wonder????? :)

Cheers  BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on April 15, 2011, 09:55:59 PM
See you there!

The support will be a geordie artist that currently lives (or so they say) in Chelsea, it looks like it will rock in the future

 ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Waterline Man on April 16, 2011, 10:57:17 AM
Just got my tix through the post today for the Straits.
It says plus support! :o
I wonder????? :)

Cheers  BBB

Phil Collins :o
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on April 16, 2011, 12:00:16 PM
Just got my tix through the post today for the Straits.
It says plus support! :o
I wonder????? :)

Cheers  BBB

Phil Collins :o

Dire Straits?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on April 18, 2011, 11:27:14 PM
Just found this. :o :o :o :o :o :o

http://www.bandsintown.com/DireStraits/upcoming_events

They even have a picture of Mark!!!!!!!

Cheers   BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on April 18, 2011, 11:28:51 PM
Look at the 'past tour dates'
A bit strange!!! :disbelief :disbelief :disbelief

Cheers  BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on April 19, 2011, 07:55:30 AM
You are right, a bit strange indeed, nothing short of a swindle... But I presume you can't expect the people (from that homepage f.e.)   to read something properly these days...  :disbelief

I am sure PC would be interested to know about this.

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: schmonka on April 19, 2011, 01:24:07 PM
Just found this. :o :o :o :o :o :o

http://www.bandsintown.com/DireStraits/upcoming_events

They even have a picture of Mark!!!!!!!

Cheers   BBB

This article doesnt even say "The Straits"....it blatently says Dire Straits on tour.....Does Mark effectively own the band name "Dire Straits"...surely no one can use it without his express permission.....this is unfortunately looking like a subtely introduced Dire Straits "reunion" from people who i suspect are trying to cash in on the whole Dire Straits phenomenon....if it sounds suspect...looks suspect....its gonna be suspect!

Another link heralding the Dire Straits Tour 2011.... :disbelief

http://www.viagogo.co.uk/Concert-Tickets/Rock-and-Pop/Dire-Straits-Tickets

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on April 19, 2011, 01:58:00 PM
They dont even know what they are putting on their sites...

When promoting David Knopfler
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 19, 2011, 03:39:48 PM
Look at the 'past tour dates'
A bit strange!!! :disbelief :disbelief :disbelief

Cheers  BBB

Dates in June? But this is a one off, for charity.

Isn't it?

They dont even know what they are putting on their sites...

When promoting David Knopfler
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on April 19, 2011, 05:00:12 PM
If you click the venues of those Past Tour dates, they say 2010.

Strange stuff.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 19, 2011, 05:38:22 PM
If you click the venues of those Past Tour dates, they say 2010.

Strange stuff.

Seems the website is referring to John Illsley's aborted tour from last year. :)

http://ticketweb.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/28075/~/postponed%3A-john-illsley-of-dire-straits-on-22%2F06%2F10-at-o2-academy-birmingham,
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on April 19, 2011, 11:38:51 PM
Doesn't looks like ignorance, again?

 ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 20, 2011, 11:01:29 AM
Doesn't looks like ignorance, again?

 ;D

Touche, although the main problem is the fact that whoever is doing their marketing is doing their very best to blur the lines between them and the "real" Dire Straits, calling them "The Straits", the "20 years" stuff, using all the Brothers in Arms branding on their website etc, makes it somewhat inevitable that mistakes like this will be made.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on April 20, 2011, 12:42:58 PM
Isnt it logical? I mean, if I
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 20, 2011, 01:17:13 PM
Quote
The special one off show will feature former members: Alan Clark, Phil Palmer, Chris White, Steve Ferrone, Terence Reis, Mick Feat and Jamie Squire in an extremely rare opportunity to see their hits performed live.

http://www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/the-straits/default.aspx

Quite cleverly worded - it doesn't actually SAY that Reis et al ARE former members. More blurring of the lines.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 20, 2011, 01:17:54 PM
Just remember that italian show with Solid Rock band plus Alan, John, Chris, Phil and Jack, the promoter used the Dire Straits name, and when the members of the band (both bands) knew about it, they pushed the promoter in order to retire that promotion campaign and use the correct one.

I look forward to seing some pushing in this case as well then...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: draad on April 20, 2011, 01:46:45 PM
Feathers will be being spat in W London! >:(
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 20, 2011, 01:52:39 PM
The good news is that there are still plenty of good seats available, I just checked and you can still get block J in the stalls.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Waterline Man on April 20, 2011, 03:40:23 PM
I suppose at this stage everyone thats interested in DS/MK music thingy & sails in it knows the band  lineup & whats happening so even with all this dodgy advertising etc its still not going to get bums on seats which is backed up by the poor ticket sales so far.As I've said before if I was in London or in the greater London area I'd definately go as being a die hard DS/MK fan but if I wasnt a big fan & someone told me that your man with the headband wasnt playing I dont think I'd bother. It would be like going to a Genesis concert & Phil Collins :o wasnt playing - if ya know what I mean ::)   
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: the visitor on April 25, 2011, 10:39:47 PM
Hello all

My first post here, good to find this forum.

For me I have no problem with the RAH show. After a few years of denial, I finally realised a couple of years ago I am not a Mark Knopfler fan, but a Dire Straits fan.  This was underlined this year once more for me when watching the Mark Knopfler 'Life in Songs' BBC4 documentary.  I found it interesting that there was no notable references in the documentary to any of the other members of Dire Straits.  

The '96ers' only seemed to be roped in to underline the point that MK doesn't want to reform Dire Straits.  I thought this was disrespectful to the other band members of Dire Straits, and actually only acted to make the documentary a run of the mill snapshot, reeling off those media safe management approved anacdotes we've heard a hundred times, of boogy woogy piano and the revolutionary technique of sitting down whilst playing the guitar.  What of the other band members like David, Pick, Hal, Alan, Jack, John, Terry and Guy who gave the back bone to Dire Straits songs?

When I heard the youtube clip on the Straits website it took me back.  Back to the sound I have been missing for years - a taste of the glory of the BIA tour, and the slickness of the OES tour.  Yet with a fresh feel - that young dude on the keyboard adds a contemporary edge to MFN.  Any doubts I had about attending this gig were instantly dismissed.  

As regard the promotion, it cuts both ways.  MK himself has been living off the Dire Straits machine since his solo career took off in 96. Some people seem quick to forget this.  I still recall the stickers on Golden Heart plastered all over the album stating 'the Voice and Guitar of Dire Straits'.  Don't forget that there was also bass, drums, guitars, keyboards (twice), sax and backing vocals that were also Dire Straits. Admittedly we've only got Alan and Chris at the show who were substantive members.  But let them play.  I am confident it is going to be a rocking show, and offer a glimpse of the Dire Straits sound we've all been missing.



Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on April 25, 2011, 10:59:21 PM
nice and interesting first post.
welcome here!!
interesting choice of nickname too i may add.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Banjo99uk on April 26, 2011, 01:44:55 AM
Interesting post The Visitor, the only thing I'd say is I don't see Dire Straits as a band like Queen or The Beatles where each member is a vital part of the overall sound/image.  For me it was a band that was a vehicle for MK or certainly since Making Movies hence I call myself a Knopfler fan.  I don't doubt the individual contributions of everyone involved with MK/DS its just I think the line between Dire Straits and MK solo is very blurred. Unless you can't stand his solo and film stuff then I can understand your stance.  As for The Straits it's basically a cover band and without MK's voice and guitar it leaves me cold and I can't get excited about it.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Fletch on April 26, 2011, 03:32:41 AM
It's pretty funny in the arena documentary to hear Mark answer, "to no extent..." when questioned about 'to what extent is the band just a vehicle for you'?
Probably the most insightful question an interviewer has ever asked him and he can't bring himself to admit the truth when put on the spot. Oh well.

I'd prefer that the old band members weren't brushed off quite so dismissively by folks like Guy, it does seem disrespectful, so good luck to them cashing in - but the truth is the band WAS just a vehicle for MK and his songs, as he has submitted in numerous interviews ever since. Lines to the effect of, "they're just a bunch of songs that need to be recorded..."

The Straits should really rope in David and Jack - now that would be good publicity!
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on April 26, 2011, 09:18:45 AM
In reply to "the visitor", I would just like to point out that the programme "A Life in Songs" was only one hour long.  To do justice to someone like Mark Knopfler would have needed a series of hour-long programmes!   

I loved the programme, but it was just too short to look at any part of Mark's life in music in any depth and that applies to his time with DS as well as his solo career, of which I would have liked to have seen much more footage.   

I think the programme did a pretty good job, considering the time restrictions!  Let's hope for Part 2!   :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jakehadlee on April 26, 2011, 10:18:13 AM
Maybe I'm being cynical, but there's a slightly "corporate" voice in that posting by "the visitor"

I would pick up on some of the points made here though about the extent to which Dire Straits was a band. I think to a large extent it really was just Mark Knopfler and backing band, but actually - in their best period - the contribution of the rest of the band is easily overlooked.

Pick's drumming was a big factor in the feel and groove of the first three albums, and later Alan Clark brought quite a bit to the table too. I know MK and his current collaborators make a big thing of how much better they all are now, and from a technical point of view they are possibly right. But, as a band, they never sounded better than they did in the period of first four albums.

After that, particularly live, it all started to get a bit overblown IMHO - culminating in the awful arrangements on the OES tour where MK seemed to be trying to fit as many instruments into as small a space as possible. Yes, they were great musicians, but by that point they weren't a great band - which they had been with the earlier line-ups.
 
Case in point, Paul Franklin - who I rate as not only the best steel player but one of the best musicians full stop - pretty much ruined every song he played on. Not his fault, but the band dynamic was wrong.

MK solo, the DS stuff always sounds stilted and lifeless to me now - rock and roll played by a lounge band.

Having said all that - the band dynamic couldn't be more wrong that not having MK in it, and while MK without the original ban was never as good when he was with it - the original band (or bits of some of the later lineup) without MK is pretty pointless.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 26, 2011, 12:55:18 PM
When I heard the youtube clip on the Straits website it took me back.  Back to the sound I have been missing for years - a taste of the glory of the BIA tour, and the slickness of the OES tour.  Yet with a fresh feel - that young dude on the keyboard adds a contemporary edge to MFN.  Any doubts I had about attending this gig were instantly dismissed.  


Welcome Visitor.

Each to their own but I find this quite an amazing statement. There's nothing "wrong" with the clip and they are all clearly excellent musicians but I don't know how this can take anybody back to the "sound" of DS when it's missing what is for me the number one vital component of Money for Nothing - MK's guitar.

Reis is a good player but he lacks MK's touch IMO and it doesn't really fool anybody. There are others out there who can nail MK's sound closer IMO, Marco whatshisname, Stefan Price etc etc.

Buying a Pensa Suhr does not turn you into MK unfortunately.  :-\
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Rollergirl on April 26, 2011, 01:10:24 PM
Buying a Pensa Suhr does not turn you into MK unfortunately.  :-\

 It does NOT??  :o

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Banjo99uk on April 26, 2011, 06:12:43 PM
In reply to "the visitor", I would just like to point out that the programme "A Life in Songs" was only one hour long.  To do justice to someone like Mark Knopfler would have needed a series of hour-long programmes!   


It was also about Mark Knopfler not Dire Straits.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on April 26, 2011, 06:15:59 PM
In reply to "the visitor", I would just like to point out that the programme "A Life in Songs" was only one hour long.  To do justice to someone like Mark Knopfler would have needed a series of hour-long programmes!  


It was also about Mark Knopfler not Dire Straits.

Quite right!    :)    Errr, wasn't he Dire Straits too?   
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Banjo99uk on April 26, 2011, 06:51:41 PM
In reply to "the visitor", I would just like to point out that the programme "A Life in Songs" was only one hour long.  To do justice to someone like Mark Knopfler would have needed a series of hour-long programmes!  


It was also about Mark Knopfler not Dire Straits.

Quite right!    :)    Errr, wasn't he Dire Straits too?   

I believe he was (let me check wikipedia), but only for 15 out of 34 years so far.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: the visitor on April 26, 2011, 07:43:33 PM
Hello again

Glad to see this is a lively forum.

First of all in response to the description of my post described as being 'corporate', I assume you are implying that I am in some way associated with the Straits and the promotional campaign that accompanies their show.  I'm not.  My only association is I like Dire Straits songs.   I have in fact been knocking around the Dire Straits internet community since about 1997 - I still remember the news section on Neck and Neck being updated, and I was a member of the Telegraph Road Mailing list.   I call myself the visitor because my interest in MK has waned to such an extent that I no longer visit forums such as this on a daily basis and I no longer consider myself part of the MK 'scene'.  

As far as MK goes, no I do not like his solo material. It is not to my taste and verges too far into the 'Easy Listening' arena for me.  He's moved too far away from his guitar for me and the strength and frequency of MKs guitar solos since 1996 has tailed right off.   The only three guitar solos that do anything for me in this solo work are Imelda, Speedway and the Hillfarmers Blues, and this is simply not enough to keep me intrested.

That said he is still a top, top guitarist. I do agree that just because you have a Pensa Suhr doesn't mean you can be Mark Knopfler. I also agree that Reis will not be able to compare to Knopfler in his guitar work.  But the RAH gig serves a purpose for fans like me.   It offers me the chance to hear the songs of my favourite band played in the style I want to hear them.  Yes the lead man may be missing, but to be honest I am really not that concerned.  Bob Marley's band, the Wailers have been touring since Bob passed in 1981. I have seen them on a number of occasions. Of course it is not the same as seeing Bob Marley in concert, but there is enough left of what surrounded him to make it a good night out.  It's clear Dire Straits are not going to be reformed, so I am going after what I can.

On the documenatary - ok it was about Mark Knopfler, not Dire Straits.  And a two hour programme would have been much better.  I was just suprised not to see any recollections from his bandmates who helped get him where he is now.  I also was under the impression that David and John formed the band - however, MK appears to take the credit for that in the documentary.  
 

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jakehadlee on April 27, 2011, 10:47:36 AM
Hello again

Glad to see this is a lively forum.

First of all in response to the description of my post described as being 'corporate', I assume you are implying that I am in some way associated with the Straits and the promotional campaign that accompanies their show.  I'm not.  My only association is I like Dire Straits songs.  


OK - apologies for the insinuation, you just have a very "press release" style of writing!  ;)

Agree with much of what you are saying, I'm also more of a fan of early (pre-BIA) Dire Straits than any of the later or solo work.

For me personally, I don't think I'd get much out of seeing The Straits - the one thing I would want out of a Dire Straits tribute band (which is what they are) is that they sound like they are fronted by Mark Knopfler. If this band were advertised as a tribute band featuring some ex members then fine.

The Wailers advertised themselves as The Wailers (which they were, as in Bob Marley and the..) Dire Straits weren't Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits (although perhaps they should have been). Plus, Bob is dead - Mark is still playing DS stuff live.

I don't think anyone objects to the band, just the marketing which skates close to the edge of deception. But I'm sure you know who they are, and I'm sure it'll be a good show so I hope you have a great time there.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on April 27, 2011, 02:21:49 PM
Mark is still playing DS stuff live.

When reading this I don't know if it makes me smile or cry.

I mean Mark always plays the same Straits stuff for years now and the only changes in tour is "this time another one dropped but not replaced". Considering the Straits back catalogue, Mark has enough song to be relieved on each tour. Let him keep SOS if he still has fun whith it but R&J and the BIA stuff could stay home to get something else.

Who would complain that TOL is back and give a rest to TR? Communiqu
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 27, 2011, 02:47:30 PM
Agreed, set has been too static since 2005.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on April 27, 2011, 02:53:37 PM
@ds1984 - I know what you mean, BUT you have to understand Mark in this. Those oldies were part and parcel of who he was during a certain period of his life. He no longer is that person. I know what this is. I've moved countries, and when I go back to Norway on occasions, people remember me as the person I was five or ten years back and expect me to have the same tastes and opinions. I don't, I've changed, they've changed. Even things I might have done that deserve some merit, they still go on about it, how great it was. I feel embarrassed about it. For Mark to play songs that currently have no or little relevance for him, would be pretence. If he forced himself, the delivery of those songs would certainly feel forced as well. He can only be who he is. Some like it, some don't.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: xxFordiexx on April 27, 2011, 11:04:55 PM
I've pretty much kept out of this debate. Let me just say it's ridiculous for anyone to believe that anyone other than Mark was the reason for Dire Straits Success. Seriously? Dire Straits WAS Mark Knopfler. He doesn't owe anyone any credit. He was the writer for pretty much every track they released. The other band members should be thanking him for what he gave to them. Dire Straits are dead as a touring band... End of!

There, I feel better now :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on April 28, 2011, 11:42:57 AM
Mark is still playing DS stuff live.
Who would complain that TOL is back and give a rest to TR? Communiqu
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on April 28, 2011, 12:24:43 PM

What I worry about is that it all could be a huge disappointment and the tears may not be of joy!  I would love to hear WDYTYG sung live again, by Mark, but I fear it would spoil my memories. :-\    I prefer MK to continue on the path he is on at the moment and just remember those great DS songs as they were on the recordings we are lucky enough to still have.   

I agree with Jackal, MK is a different person now and is doing what HE likes doing.   :)


Right! My great memories of listening him playing SOS are long spoiled by his latest rendition of it.

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 28, 2011, 01:13:29 PM
Maybe I'm in a minority but I'm really not fussed about hearing WDTYG again. There are much better solo songs that have never been played, 5.15am, You Don't Know You're Born etc.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on April 28, 2011, 01:18:54 PM
Right! My great memories of listening him playing SOS are long spoiled by his latest rendition of it.

If SOS is a song he likes, imagine him playing a song he doesn't like.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on April 28, 2011, 01:21:31 PM
I rather listen to his own solo songs than DS ones, in fact, I
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ARII on April 28, 2011, 01:54:22 PM
Not sure Chris White did very much for TOL in BIA Tour did he? Maybe sax on intro but how can you have any Dire Straits songs without MK...to be honest I think they sound really bad without MK's vocals and people who try to sound like MK on vocals sound terrible.....let's face it MK isn't that gifted a singer , he wouldn't win X Factor but he's MK and mixed the vocals with his guitar styles and song writing styles to create something brilliant and unique...it's really hard to cover that, even if you used to be in the band......pretty sure the Special Guest is John Illsley (or one of the tribute band singers) who will no doubt do vocals, but I'm not sure that DS would have made it, even with the songs, if these guys had taken over from MK, they haven't got that je ne c'est.......etc
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Waterline Man on April 28, 2011, 02:03:12 PM
I've pretty much kept out of this debate. Let me just say it's ridiculous for anyone to believe that anyone other than Mark was the reason for Dire Straits Success. Seriously? Dire Straits WAS Mark Knopfler. He doesn't owe anyone any credit. He was the writer for pretty much every track they released. The other band members should be thanking him for what he gave to them. Dire Straits are dead as a touring band... End of!

There, I feel better now :)

plus he gets/got fairly cranky from time to time as well,I reckon he isn't the easiest man to work with ::)A lot of guys that have been there & done that seem to have been dropped off at the pass for some reason without a real explanation from either side - a bit like Jack Sonni- here today gone tomorrow,no real reason??Chad,here today gone tomorrow,no real reason only that he had family commmitments ::) ::)Maybe they like sausages or something :P :P

He's still the best though 8) 8)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on April 28, 2011, 02:47:41 PM

What I worry about is that it all could be a huge disappointment and the tears may not be of joy!  I would love to hear WDYTYG sung live again, by Mark, but I fear it would spoil my memories. :-\    I prefer MK to continue on the path he is on at the moment and just remember those great DS songs as they were on the recordings we are lucky enough to still have.   

I agree with Jackal, MK is a different person now and is doing what HE likes doing.   :)


Right! My great memories of listening him playing SOS are long spoiled by his latest rendition of it.



I really enjoyed SOS on the 2010 tour and he really does seem to enjoy playing it!    :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on April 28, 2011, 03:20:22 PM
hair today gone tomorrow

  :(
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on April 28, 2011, 03:22:57 PM
Maybe I'm in a minority but I'm really not fussed about hearing WDTYG again. There are much better solo songs that have never been played, 5.15am, You Don't Know You're Born etc.

I'd like to hear those too! Also "Fare Thee Well Northumberland" and "Old Pigweed".    There are so many beautiful songs still to be heard, played live, from the solo albums, so let's hope we hear more of them!   It was a real treat in 2005 to hear "Back to Tupelo" in Edinburgh Playhouse.  
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on April 28, 2011, 03:24:09 PM
hair today gone tomorrow

  :(

 :lol     ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on April 28, 2011, 05:37:32 PM

If you wanna listen to the DS songs, go to the RAH and enjoy Dire Straits  ;D


That's better like that  ;)

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on April 28, 2011, 05:38:28 PM
Sultans was really great in the final stages of the tour I think. And I found myself thinking that for the first time I would not bother if he played exactly the same set list on the next tour as he did in July 2010... even if no new song was played and even if he really kept the same sequence I would really enjoy the show - it was so great and I still stick to some of the shows on a daily base more or less.

All songs I wish to hear live have been mentioned in the last post actually, 5.15 am, Fare Thee Well Northumberland, You Don't Know You're Born... I might add "Before Trash MTV" and "One More Matinee".
And "Silvertown Blues".

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on April 28, 2011, 06:09:41 PM
... I might add "Before Trash MTV" LE

Oh, no, I forgot - I would like that one too!   ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on April 28, 2011, 10:29:24 PM
And Silverstone Blues, another racing car related song.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on April 29, 2011, 06:32:34 PM
And Silverstone Blues, another racing car related song.

I dont think The Straits will play that song...

 ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on April 29, 2011, 07:27:14 PM
And Silverstone Blues, another racing car related song.

I dont think The Straits will play that song...

 ??? ??? ???

The Straits probably not but Mark?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on April 29, 2011, 08:09:49 PM
And Silverstone Blues, another racing car related song.

I dont think The Straits will play that song...

 ??? ??? ???

The Straits probably not but Mark?

Is Mark Knopfler playing at that gig at the Royal Albert Hall with The Straits?

However, its very likely that MK never play that song, more likely that MK plays with The Straits at that gig  ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on April 29, 2011, 08:48:19 PM
And Silverstone Blues, another racing car related song.

I dont think The Straits will play that song...

 ??? ??? ???

The Straits probably not but Mark?

Is Mark Knopfler playing at that gig at the Royal Albert Hall with The Straits?

However, its very likely that MK never play that song, more likely that MK plays with The Straits at that gig  ;D

Remember Munich 2001.
And who had bet on HFB (or even Devil Baby) for the KTGC tour?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on April 29, 2011, 10:03:12 PM
Well, Munich 2001 is the reason why he did NOT play it because he wasn't happy with that attempt. I think the song died at that soundcheck! Who knows how many other great songs died at any other rehearsals/soundchecks... Guy will never tell us...

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on April 29, 2011, 11:15:30 PM
Portobello belle also died at the very same soundcheck  :(

I wish The Straits would play it  ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dmg on April 29, 2011, 11:21:30 PM
They're looking at it wrong though;  they should treat the songs as a challenge and not just give up after a couple of attempts.  Remember on the STP tour if I remember correctly Guy said they only were finally happy with Speedway by the Denver concert or something?  That's the kind of attitude they should be taking.  He could always introduce it by saying "this is an attempt at..." or "we're going to have a swing at..." anyway - he usually does! ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Dutchessy on April 30, 2011, 11:33:56 AM
They're looking at it wrong though;  they should treat the songs as a challenge and not just give up after a couple of attempts.  Remember on the STP tour if I remember correctly Guy said they only were finally happy with Speedway by the Denver concert or something?  That's the kind of attitude they should be taking.  He could always introduce it by saying "this is an attempt at..." or "we're going to have a swing at..." anyway - he usually does! ;D

I think Mark wants it perfectly played... And not trying to play it perfect.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dmg on April 30, 2011, 02:10:59 PM
They're looking at it wrong though;  they should treat the songs as a challenge and not just give up after a couple of attempts.  Remember on the STP tour if I remember correctly Guy said they only were finally happy with Speedway by the Denver concert or something?  That's the kind of attitude they should be taking.  He could always introduce it by saying "this is an attempt at..." or "we're going to have a swing at..." anyway - he usually does! ;D

I think Mark wants it perfectly played... And not trying to play it perfect.
No such thing as perfection though. :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on May 02, 2011, 10:27:37 AM
If mark think that Silvertown Blues is a great song, it's still alive, just waiting to find the right treatment/mood to play it.
For example if Mark convice Vince and some extra choir to be part of a tour...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dmg on May 02, 2011, 01:12:30 PM
Listened to it the other night and Silvertown is a great song but cries out for a solo at the end.  Perfect live song.  It's as though he played it that way so that they could astound the audience live! ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 02, 2011, 02:25:30 PM
For example if Mark convice Vince and some extra choir to be part of a tour...


Forgive my ignorance, but who is Vince?    ???      Vince Gill perhaps.    :-\
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on May 02, 2011, 02:54:19 PM
For example if Mark convice Vince and some extra choir to be part of a tour...


Forgive my ignorance, but who is Vince?    ???      Vince Gill perhaps.    :-\

Yes Vince Gill.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 13, 2011, 09:22:05 AM
Just heard that David Gilmour and Nick Mason, unexpectedly, joined Roger Waters on stage last night!    8)    I wonder if MK will do something similar on 22nd May!    :-\     What a silly thought!   ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on May 13, 2011, 02:49:22 PM
Very unlikely
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Shoaib on May 16, 2011, 08:58:59 AM
Two warm up gigs will be played at the Under The Bridge room at Stamford Bridge Football Ground, London (home of Chelsea FC).

Wed 18 May - 100 pairs free entry by prior arrangement, i.e., 200 people in total.

Fri 20 May - 100 pairs free entry by prior arrangement, i.e., 200 people in total.

If you would like to attend either of these gigs please mail (info@mark-knopfler-news.co.uk) with Wed warm up or Fri warm up in the subject line of your email. Places will go on a first come first served basis and there will be no charge for entry. The names of the first 100 people to email for each gig will be put on a list (i.e, 100 pairs for the Wed gig and 100 pairs for the Fri gig). You will be required to provide photo-proof of identity on arrival at Under The Bridge. Please arrive by 7 pm.

# Source : MKNews
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on May 16, 2011, 12:44:04 PM
Just heard that David Gilmour and Nick Mason, unexpectedly, joined Roger Waters on stage last night!    8)    I wonder if MK will do something similar on 22nd May!    :-\     What a silly thought!   ;D

It wasnt unexpected, it was well known that David Gilmour was about to play in one of the shows...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: the visitor on May 16, 2011, 10:09:05 PM
Two warm up gigs will be played at the Under The Bridge room at Stamford Bridge Football Ground, London (home of Chelsea FC).

Wed 18 May - 100 pairs free entry by prior arrangement, i.e., 200 people in total.

Fri 20 May - 100 pairs free entry by prior arrangement, i.e., 200 people in total.

If you would like to attend either of these gigs please mail (info@mark-knopfler-news.co.uk) with Wed warm up or Fri warm up in the subject line of your email. Places will go on a first come first served basis and there will be no charge for entry. The names of the first 100 people to email for each gig will be put on a list (i.e, 100 pairs for the Wed gig and 100 pairs for the Fri gig). You will be required to provide photo-proof of identity on arrival at Under The Bridge. Please arrive by 7 pm.

# Source : MKNews


Anyone received confirmation of free entry? I sent an email but its getting a little close now so I doubt I've got any
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 16, 2011, 10:17:53 PM
I would enter for the free tix, but I've already got
mine for the real deal at the RAH!
I'd have gone for the freebies, but too late now.
Anyway, looking forward to Sunday.

Cheers. BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 16, 2011, 10:50:16 PM
Two warm up gigs will be played at the Under The Bridge room at Stamford Bridge Football Ground, London (home of Chelsea FC).

Wed 18 May - 100 pairs free entry by prior arrangement, i.e., 200 people in total.

Fri 20 May - 100 pairs free entry by prior arrangement, i.e., 200 people in total.

If you would like to attend either of these gigs please mail (info@mark-knopfler-news.co.uk) with Wed warm up or Fri warm up in the subject line of your email. Places will go on a first come first served basis and there will be no charge for entry. The names of the first 100 people to email for each gig will be put on a list (i.e, 100 pairs for the Wed gig and 100 pairs for the Fri gig). You will be required to provide photo-proof of identity on arrival at Under The Bridge. Please arrive by 7 pm.

# Source : MKNews


Anyone received confirmation of free entry? I sent an email but its getting a little close now so I doubt I've got any

It's like Mandela all over again.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 17, 2011, 12:07:23 AM
There's nothing quite like seeing to two people who once were "enemies" becoming friends again. How I'd love to see David K. walk out on the stage and he and Mark give each other a big bear hug and then sing one of the oldies.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 17, 2011, 08:32:13 AM
There's nothing quite like seeing to two people who once were "enemies" becoming friends again. How I'd love to see David K. walk out on the stage and he and Mark give each other a big bear hug and then sing one of the oldies.

That would be great!
How about 'Once Upon A Time In The West'
I love it when John & David sing harmony together
towards the end of this song.

Cheers. BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 17, 2011, 09:38:52 AM
Of course MK did work with David in his early solo career, so it's not like David stormed out and they never spoke again.

But something seems to have happened in the last while for sure.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 17, 2011, 09:50:18 AM
Of course MK did work with David in his early solo career, so it's not like David stormed out and they never spoke again.

But something seems to have happened in the last while for sure.

Can you enlarge upon this, dusty?   I'm intrigued!   ;)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 17, 2011, 11:04:28 AM
Of course MK did work with David in his early solo career, so it's not like David stormed out and they never spoke again.

But something seems to have happened in the last while for sure.

Can you enlarge upon this, dusty?   I'm intrigued!   ;)

My guess is that when David started his solo career and asked Mark to work with him, the things that were said and done during the making of Making Movies were forgotten. Just a silly fight between brothers. Later, royalties and money became an issue, and I think David is very bitter about that. I don't know who's right or wrong in this, but David seems to me a very honest and square fellow, and I don't think he'd claim he's entitled to royalties if he clearly isn't. I think there's a darker side to Mark ...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 17, 2011, 11:14:25 AM

Can you enlarge upon this, dusty?   I'm intrigued!   ;)

I don't really know any more than that, just that MK played with DK on stuff like Madonna's Daughter so clearly they were OK then. BUt from memory DK has said in interviews and stuff that he doesn't speak to MK any more.



My guess is that when David started his solo career and asked Mark to work with him, the things that were said and done during the making of Making Movies were forgotten. Just a silly fight between brothers. Later, royalties and money became an issue, and I think David is very bitter about that. I don't know who's right or wrong in this, but David seems to me a very honest and square fellow, and I don't think he'd claim he's entitled to royalties if he clearly isn't. I think there's a darker side to Mark ...

Quite possible. I remember emailing DK in the mid 90s and he was pissed off at that point that the DS albums had been reduced in the shops to "Mid Price" status, meaning he got less royalties.

And then you get into the Alan Clark thing, about who "wrote" a song. If DK invented a guitar part or a harmony line, should he get writer's royalties? That debate will run and run I guess...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on May 17, 2011, 11:18:57 AM
Hmm, Jackal, why should he be entiteld to royalties? None of the songs on the first three albums were written by him. The early (and in fact, also the later) stuff I know from him would never have been good enough to make an appearance on the first three albums. And only because of his guitar playing (which in great parts has obviously been reworked be Mark also) he has no other rights than John and Pick I would presume. I always thought of him as a "sore loser".

However, I agree with you that Mark has something (call it "arrogant" or anything) on him that I would not come across with...
But nobody is perfect.

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 17, 2011, 12:10:22 PM
(Somewhat like this)

Interviewer to Mark: "To which extent is Dire Straits a vehicle for you and your songs?"
Mark: "To no extent. It's all about the band. It's a collective thing."

...

Moahahahah! Yeah, right. "Yes, Your Worship."
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on May 17, 2011, 12:18:03 PM
But we just don't know what exactly happened when these song were written and recorded.

Adding siginificant musical element in a song written by someone else give you some right to get some copyright share on it (Whiter Shade of Pale or TGGITS are well known example). Alan did some key arrangement while in DS but never received official writing credits for them and Mick Taylor did struggle to be credited while in The Rolling Stones.
The question is "where is the limit when a musical contribution become part of a composition?".
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: aborille on May 17, 2011, 03:10:08 PM
As I supposed (not in this forum) the Straits tour is starting. It will not be a "one-day only". That's a shame imho.

http://www.melodicamente.com/2011/05/the-straits-ex-dire-straits-concerto-orbetello/

It's in Italian but google could help you.

Alessandro
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 17, 2011, 03:20:31 PM
As I supposed (not in this forum) the Straits tour is starting. It will not be a "one-day only". That's a shame imho.

http://www.melodicamente.com/2011/05/the-straits-ex-dire-straits-concerto-orbetello/

It's in Italian but google could help you.

Alessandro

Thanks for that. Courtesy of Google:


Italian to English translation

Today Dire Straits no longer exist. There are the "The Straits" their heirs. The group consisting of: Alain Clark, Phil Palmer, Chris White, memorable members of 'Dire Straits', with the support of Steve Ferrone, among the most' great drummers in the world, Terence Reis, Mick Feat Jamie Squire and will be performing in Orbetello (Gr) to Park Cruises, the first of four stages that will portera'anche Italian in Milan, Rome and the Ronciglione Tuscia Rock Festival, to perform some of their biggest hits from "Tunnel of Love" to "So Far Away" , from "Romeo and Juliet" to "Money for nothing". The announcement of this extraordinary event sponsored by the municipality, to be held July 1 at 21:30, was made by Vice Mayor Luke Teglia, during the press conference held in the council chamber of the town of Orbetello, stressing the efficiency administration who worked hard so you can actually make this city one of the stages in which the Italian "The Straits" could actually perform. This sort of "reunion" was successfully induced, so to speak, by the incessant and repeated requests of many fans across Europe have always been required to listen to them and see them live. Hence the decision of the ex-Dire to organize a long European tour. The new name "The Straits" was chosen for reasons of copyright, in fact the mark "Dire Straits' Mark Knopfler member who left the band years ago. But fortunately, many fans of the sound remained the same.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 17, 2011, 03:26:47 PM
Shock! Horror! Who could possibly have predicted this development?!

What a bunch of shysters. "One-off" charity event my arse.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: aborille on May 17, 2011, 03:31:17 PM
On march 23rd I wrote on Guy Fletcher forum:

Hi Doc, I know you and Mark are not much interested in "the straits" band performing at RAH, but what I find unbelievable and irrespectful is the quote coming from Mr. Alan Cark: "just a few days rehearsal I can tell you this band rocks better than any Dire Straits line-up. Of course, we don't have the huge talent that is Mark Knopfler but we do have [...]" a list of "the straits" members follows. I have a bad feeling that I'm not able to dispel, this could be a marketing move to promote a forthcoming (not yet planned) tour of the so called straits to take advantage of the famous "brand". Do you have an opinion that you can share with us about all this stuff? Thanks.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 17, 2011, 03:38:51 PM
Shock! Horror! Who could possibly have predicted this development?!

What a bunch of shysters. "One-off" charity event my arse.

And what a better way to get publicity and kick off a tour than by playing for a charity and at RAH, an event organized and paid for by others? Genius.

I don't care whether they are the Straits, the ex-Dire Straits, Striker Dates, or whatever, capitalize on someone else's work, are "non-creative", bla, bla ,etc. - there's obviously a market for them. But why couldn't they just come clean to begin with? Just say it like it is? Stinks.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on May 17, 2011, 04:20:52 PM
It is still ridiculous! I do not want to spoil next weeks' event for those who are attending it, so maybe one can try and see it positive: Maybe the band was rehearsing and they all had immediately the impression that this band was really fitting and tight. So the ideas developed to go on. And then it grew. Probably the next thing will be an album by The Straits...

For me this marks more then ever the fact that there will never be any Dire Straits re-union. Never. Ever. Because I would really like to know what Mark
thinks of all this. How can he see Chris and Alan still as friends (when they ever were) when they try to outsmart him this way? He doesn't want to reunite? OK, then we have our own stuff going... Absurd and ridiculous because The Straits without MK are.... but we have all been there several weeks ago. I do not want to start this sermon again...

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 17, 2011, 04:24:27 PM
Perhaps Mark will upstage them and include David and John Illsley in the next band line-up?    Just a one-off though!   ;D
Maybe this is the exciting happening that Guy talks about!    8)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on May 17, 2011, 07:17:12 PM
I had the same thought Val, but can only say: Hopefully NOT!

I hope for a change in his "media" release politics: The last three records all contained more or less boring "Making Of" EPKs with always mimed, playback versions of songs - Guy has no reservations to openly talk about "miming" when there is no pop filter on the mics and stuff... Why not really get a film team in and document the whole production cycle - producing some real "live" stuff for a later DVD/BluRay Release... THAT would be great news, better news than any "Straits" stuff could ever mean to me... And of course a complete live show too!  ;)

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 17, 2011, 07:20:35 PM
I had the same thought Val, but can only say: Hopefully NOT!

LE

I agree wholeheartedly!   I was kidding!   It's not Mark's style......is it?   :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 17, 2011, 07:56:25 PM
playing them again for charity which is the  only one purpose - This info I got from CW directly!<<
     

 :-\
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on May 17, 2011, 11:48:00 PM
I
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: aborille on May 18, 2011, 10:29:31 AM
I
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 18, 2011, 10:38:27 AM
... yes, without MK, but when I listened and loved that piano, hammond, sax and rythmic guitar parts, it wasnt to MK to whom I was listening to...

 :)

That's pretty insulting to MK imo!    Dire Straits without MK's voice and guitar would be nothing to me!   
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: cannibal on May 18, 2011, 10:45:08 AM
... yes, without MK, but when I listened and loved that piano, hammond, sax and rythmic guitar parts, it wasnt to MK to whom I was listening to...

 :)

That's pretty insulting to MK imo!    Dire Straits without MK's voice and guitar would be nothing to me!   

I super-quote you man, nothing else to add. MK is, was, will be DIRE STRAITS forever. The others? Just another $%&/ tribute band.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 18, 2011, 10:59:23 AM
Of course, it doesn't matter how many gigs "The Straits" do across Europe, or wherever,  they will never, ever be able to expand their repertoire in any way.  They can only ever play existing DS songs!   Very restricting ;)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on May 18, 2011, 11:02:41 AM
... yes, without MK, but when I listened and loved that piano, hammond, sax and rythmic guitar parts, it wasnt to MK to whom I was listening to...

 :)

That's pretty insulting to MK imo!    Dire Straits without MK's voice and guitar would be nothing to me!   

Why? Mk was the composer, singer and main guitar player, but he didnt play any of the other instruments. What I love from the Romeo and Juliet break is the sax solo, which was played by Chris White. What I loved from Telegraph road was the piano break, wich was played by Alan Clark etc etc


I think you missundertsood what I meant  :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 18, 2011, 11:09:41 AM
I don't think so!   I understood that you weren't listening to MK!   :(
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: aborille on May 18, 2011, 11:48:10 AM
... yes, without MK, but when I listened and loved that piano, hammond, sax and rythmic guitar parts, it wasnt to MK to whom I was listening to...

 :)

That's pretty insulting to MK imo!    Dire Straits without MK's voice and guitar would be nothing to me!   

Why? Mk was the composer, singer and main guitar player, but he didnt play any of the other instruments. What I love from the Romeo and Juliet break is the sax solo, which was played by Chris White. What I loved from Telegraph road was the piano break, wich was played by Alan Clark etc etc


I think you missundertsood what I meant  :)

I think that MK deeply influenced all sort of arrangements in his songs. Same musos does not mean same music. Anyway you will soon discover the differences :-)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on May 18, 2011, 01:24:22 PM
I don't think so!   I understood that you weren't listening to MK!   :(

Well, its not that you missunderstood me, its that I didnt explain myself properly. What I mean is that I dont listen to what MK is doing at that moments of the songs, but to what the others players are playing, when they are all playing at the same time, but its the moment of the sax solo, the piano solo etc etc...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 18, 2011, 01:28:50 PM
I don't think so!   I understood that you weren't listening to MK!   :(

Well, its not that you missunderstood me, its that I didnt explain myself properly. What I mean is that I dont listen to what MK is doing at that moments of the songs, but to what the others players are playing, when they are all playing at the same time, but its the moment of the sax solo, the piano solo etc etc...

I understand!    :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 18, 2011, 01:42:29 PM
A question on Guy's forum:

So THE STRAITS want to do a few gigs in Italy..why the panic? If the demand is there and no copyright laws are broken then why get upset?

Guy:   No panic, I think it's a great idea....it's just that the name is misleading IMO.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on May 18, 2011, 02:41:57 PM
A question on Guy's forum:

So THE STRAITS want to do a few gigs in Italy..why the panic? If the demand is there and no copyright laws are broken then why get upset?

Guy:   No panic, I think it's a great idea....it's just that the name is misleading IMO.


I don't like them using that name int ha way because "The Straits" is the way I usally shorten the magic name and could be a bit confusing that this is not the real deal. A name ala "Dire Fake" ou "Straits of things" would be ok, but just "The Straits" : :disbelief
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 18, 2011, 02:48:58 PM
I'm under no illusion about this gig.
I know Mark will not be performing.
I am going purely because I love the songs
and they are going to be performed by
Class session musicians. The fact that some of
these have worked along the master that is MK,
Just makes it that bit more special.
I love going to see tribute bands, and think that
many do a fantastic job.
Watching this gig I'm sure won't bring me the
same emotions or goosebumps as if I were seeing Mark,
but I still reckon it's gonna be a fantastic night.
This will be a tasty little appetiser to the 2012 MK tour!!! ;D

Cheers.  BBB


Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 18, 2011, 02:53:51 PM
Hi BBB!   I hope you have a great evening, Jbaent too!   Enjoy the songs, who knows you might just get the odd goosebump!    ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 18, 2011, 03:09:13 PM
Thankyou Val. I love going to London anyway. I only go a couple of
times a year, but use it as an excuse to spend all day going between
the 2 HMV record stores on Oxford St. And I mean all day!!! ;D
I love flicking through all the 1000's of CDs.
I normally go with a wish list of a dozen or so CDs/DVDs that I've wanted
for a long time, and because they've got the depth of stock
and the choice, I normally get what I want.
I know I could buy them online from various outlets, but I get a real
Buzz from actually flicking through and touching the CDs.
I used to love it 20 or 30 years ago when there used to be alot more
Music retailers on the High St. Again I could spend all day flicking through
Shelves and shelves of vinyl, tapes and CDs. (they were the days)
Also it gives me another chance to visit one of the best music venues imo in
the world. The Royal Albert Hall.

Cheers.  BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 18, 2011, 03:16:25 PM
Btw. Please excuse my bad sentence construction on
the last post. I'm writing this on my new IPhone, and I'm
still getting used to it. Lol ;)

Cheers.  BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 18, 2011, 03:23:00 PM
Yeah, the selection at HMV is just amazing. The only thing that bothers me is that it feels like you enter a disco or club - it's dark, got neon lights, is crowded, the music is often pounding from the speakers. Tower Records on Picadilly Circus too is good. Oh, and the music department at Borders.

Man, you gave me the urge to take a trip to London again. Just love trawling the streets of Soho. The smell of barbeque and baked potatoes in those side streets ...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: the visitor on May 18, 2011, 03:23:35 PM
I find this thread increasingly amusing, especially because people seem to be so offended that anyone should dare play dire straits songs under a similar name. You can't blame the Alan, Chris and Phil for wanting to get together to play straits tunes - if they waited for MK to ask them they would probably be in an old folks home.

This is only a kind of tribute show and the name no more misleading than any other cover band associated with one band, like. Whilst some of you are very keen to tell those of us going on Sunday what a crappy time we will have, I am confident those of us simply going for a good fix of DS material (albeit without his highness on his stool of a throne) will be having the last laugh.

We are getting the straits but with out the dire. I'm happy with that. Mk can keep that word for his new records.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 18, 2011, 03:33:27 PM
No, not me!  I don't hope you have a crappy time at all.  I hope you all have a great time.  It's just not for me, that's all!  :)   

Your final sentence gives me the feeling you're not an MK fan then!   ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: aborille on May 18, 2011, 03:54:55 PM

We are getting the straits but with out the dire. I'm happy with that. Mk can keep that word for his new records.

I like DS/MK tribute bands too. Anyway, usually I attend their shows for free.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on May 18, 2011, 04:12:44 PM

We are getting the straits but with out the dire. I'm happy with that. Mk can keep that word for his new records.

I like DS/MK tribute bands too. Anyway, usually I attend their shows for free.

I attended TAPFS and it was expensive (50
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on May 18, 2011, 04:15:34 PM
(albeit without his highness on his stool of a throne)

We are getting the straits but with out the dire. I'm happy with that. Mk can keep that word for his new records.

I find these sentences astonishingly insulting and harsh I must say. No problem with that, everybody to his own, but how comes? MK has nothing to do with this whole affair apart from writing all the stuff that some of these guys gave a hopefully good living for a while. Don't tell me that David, Pick and John "helped" MK to get a career going, it would have gone off in this or that way with these high quality writing for sure... It seems more to me that he helped them in those "dire" days...
However.

The band "Dire Straits" is clearly nothing I am interested anymore, I found myself telling a friend of mine who winded me up the other day with saying "and still listening to Dire Straits every day...?" that I was myself astonished that I really had to think about when I really heard the last DS record. MK has done so much stuff and has been so productive since 1996 that I can live very well without that output from the past. (And he keeps some of that stuff alive on tour of course, and I listen to those songs of course, for the nosey ones  ;) ) I loved it in my past and it was a really important part of my life, but I was going on, other interests, more important things came up with growing up, and now MK's music is for sure one of very few constants in my life. Brothers In Arms was, STP was, last year Get Lucky was and his touring keeps a very high standard that can hook someone and make him addictive. And it is going on.

BUT, these threads are quite interesting and maybe give this "Straits" band more attention than they usually would have deserved (again in my opinion..) apart from the good cause.  So, honestly, I am eager to hear from you about the show, I understand you are obviously going, Visitor? Would be nice to hear from you afterwards and telling us a little bit about it.

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 18, 2011, 05:03:54 PM
Well said, LE!    :)     

I still have people saying similar things to me too "Been to see Dire Straits lately?"    It is SO irritating!   It's like they've lived in a cave for the last couple of decades!    ::)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: the visitor on May 18, 2011, 05:04:35 PM
Maybe the last sentence was a bit harsh, I was just having fun with the words -  his new stuff is ok just not for me, I find it all a bit bland.

Happy to give you an equally honest and frank review of the Straits show after Sunday.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on May 18, 2011, 05:10:22 PM
Would be very cool!  8)  Thanks!

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on May 18, 2011, 08:06:41 PM
I like Mark solo carrer stuff  but I miss Dire Straits.

I grew up with them, I will die with them.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 19, 2011, 08:56:39 AM
Hopefully someone will make a recording too.

Have a great time folks, tribute bands just aren't my cup of tea.

I don't really have a problem with the name either - I think people associated with the band tended to abbreviate it to "The Straits", but I've never really heard a fan say that.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ARII on May 19, 2011, 10:05:27 AM
I just checked The Straits out on video in rehersal. Amazed to see Steve Ferone (great mate of ACs of course..) playing as he is a full time member of Tom Petty &THBs, but maybe they're having a chill out. By the way Mike Campbell the TPTHBs guitarist is a bigh MK fan so he's top dollar in my book.

They have a video on the website and play MFN. It sounds great but I noted that Phil did the main soloing so wonder if he'll be charged with all of the solos at the RAH gig, Sultans, TOL etc....

I think that's where they'll have an issue, as no one sounds like MK. (Mike Oldfield's moonlight shadow solo sounded knopfleresk but apart from that he's a very unique guitarist.) I hope they keep the set based on songs which benefit from harmony singing rather than long solos as that can only be a let down....Phil's good but he ain't MK by a stretch...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 19, 2011, 11:03:22 AM
They have a video on the website and play MFN. It sounds great but I noted that Phil did the main soloing so wonder if he'll be charged with all of the solos at the RAH gig, Sultans, TOL etc....

I think that's where they'll have an issue, as no one sounds like MK. (Mike Oldfield's moonlight shadow solo sounded knopfleresk but apart from that he's a very unique guitarist.) I hope they keep the set based on songs which benefit from harmony singing rather than long solos as that can only be a let down....Phil's good but he ain't MK by a stretch...

I think Reis will do the "Knopfler stuff" as he's the real tribute guy (now there's an oxymoron).
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ARII on May 19, 2011, 11:13:13 AM
It'll be very interesting to see how well he mimics the MK Sound then. Great cause, and what people have to appreciate is that many tribute bands probably don't want to have to play covers either, but they want to make a living out of playing music. If no one turns up to hear you plaay your own stuff, but 5,000 come to the RAH to hear you play DS songs, you tell me what they should do. If you ask any professional Tribute Act they'll always tell you that it's better doing the Tribute that seeking an alternative career or being unemployed, so I tend to say hat's off, good luck and best wishes. Having said that I wouldn't go and see a Tribute band as I spend all available funds seeing bands who write an dplay original material,  I find it much more interesting personally and even if you are a diehard DS Fan, like me there are loads of bands to see, Counting Crows, Bryan Adams, Tom Petty, EC, Stones, Coldplay, etc.....
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: riton on May 19, 2011, 01:09:19 PM
Hello everydody,

is there anyboby who was in Under The Bridge club yesterday ??
It would be nice to have a feedback or review of this small gig.

Thanks.


Riton
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on May 19, 2011, 02:16:44 PM
Btw. Please excuse my bad sentence construction on
the last post. I'm writing this on my new IPhone, and I'm
still getting used to it. Lol ;)

Cheers.  BBB
show off :-)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on May 19, 2011, 02:18:12 PM
(albeit without his highness on his stool of a throne)

We are getting the straits but with out the dire. I'm happy with that. Mk can keep that word for his new records.
and they were invited by Dave himself to play on his 60th birthday party!

I find these sentences astonishingly insulting and harsh I must say. No problem with that, everybody to his own, but how comes? MK has nothing to do with this whole affair apart from writing all the stuff that some of these guys gave a hopefully good living for a while. Don't tell me that David, Pick and John "helped" MK to get a career going, it would have gone off in this or that way with these high quality writing for sure... It seems more to me that he helped them in those "dire" days...
However.

The band "Dire Straits" is clearly nothing I am interested anymore, I found myself telling a friend of mine who winded me up the other day with saying "and still listening to Dire Straits every day...?" that I was myself astonished that I really had to think about when I really heard the last DS record. MK has done so much stuff and has been so productive since 1996 that I can live very well without that output from the past. (And he keeps some of that stuff alive on tour of course, and I listen to those songs of course, for the nosey ones  ;) ) I loved it in my past and it was a really important part of my life, but I was going on, other interests, more important things came up with growing up, and now MK's music is for sure one of very few constants in my life. Brothers In Arms was, STP was, last year Get Lucky was and his touring keeps a very high standard that can hook someone and make him addictive. And it is going on.

BUT, these threads are quite interesting and maybe give this "Straits" band more attention than they usually would have deserved (again in my opinion..) apart from the good cause.  So, honestly, I am eager to hear from you about the show, I understand you are obviously going, Visitor? Would be nice to hear from you afterwards and telling us a little bit about it.

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on May 19, 2011, 02:19:17 PM
Hopefully someone will make a recording too.

Have a great time folks, tribute bands just aren't my cup of tea.

I don't really have a problem with the name either - I think people associated with the band tended to abbreviate it to "The Straits", but I've never really heard a fan say that.
mark did it all the time...listen to the boots :-)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on May 19, 2011, 02:38:26 PM
Lets prepare to attend The Nutting Hillbillies feat Ed Bicknell Steve phillips and Brendan Crocker ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on May 19, 2011, 04:56:42 PM
I already paid for a Brendan & Steve show playing the full NHB cd in Barcelona some years ago, so I
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jarle on May 20, 2011, 07:28:35 AM
A little review of the show at the "Under the Bridge" club:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/247712/Gig-review-The-Straits-at-Under-The-Bridge
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on May 20, 2011, 09:10:39 AM
thnx jarle!
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 20, 2011, 09:32:01 AM
I especially liked these bits:

[...] are faithfully reproduced, helped in large part by Reis' stirling impression of the famous bandana-wearing lead singer.

and

everyone is enjoying themselves; group, audience, and especially 24-year-old keyboardist James Squire who receives a mighty cheer on being introduced by the very spry looking Clark.

Did especially not like these bits:

[...] The Straits (formerly Dire)

and

Mark is absent tonight, [...]



Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 20, 2011, 09:38:45 AM
How about:

The most Dire Straits bit of Dire Straits was always Mark Knopfler's voice..........

What about his guitar sound?   :-\   
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on May 20, 2011, 09:45:23 AM
I think the article is rather fair, compared to some other rubbish that was written before... Wonder what that "soft-rock" instrumental is, a new composition by them or maybe something that our reporter hasn't recognized? Would be interesting to know the complete set-list...

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on May 20, 2011, 10:28:54 AM
How about:

The most Dire Straits bit of Dire Straits was always Mark Knopfler's voice..........

What about his guitar sound?   :-\   


If you are talking about the 1977-1979 Dire Straits, yes.

From 1980 it was not only that but also all the new musical arrangements that came with the keyboards, and later with the sax, both instruments were very present in all the songs.

To me thats the difference between Dire Straits and MK solo career. Although the main instrument was always Mk guitar and his voice, in DS the other instruments had their role, very important, it was really a band.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Tally on May 20, 2011, 11:01:39 AM
Funny you should say that, jbaent, because to me it seems to be more of a group thing now. It depends on how you look at it of course, but there are certainly fewer extended guitar solos on Mark's part today, leaving room for others. Yet the contributions of the band are seldom as pronounced as, say, the sax, which tended to dominate proceedings whenever it was brought out (and it ruined Sultans for years in my opinion).

Along similar lines, it think it is fair to say that the guitar defined DS all the way through, and still defines MK solo; but clearly, with more acoustic songs these days, the guitar is less up-front now. I was also suprised at the comment about the voice defining DS. Of course it did, in combination with the gee-tar.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: aborille on May 20, 2011, 11:42:43 AM
Yet the contributions of the band are seldom as pronounced as, say, the sax, which tended to dominate proceedings whenever it was brought out (and it ruined Sultans for years in my opinion).

I cannot agree more!
Alessandro
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dmg on May 20, 2011, 01:21:02 PM
Yet the contributions of the band are seldom as pronounced as, say, the sax, which tended to dominate proceedings whenever it was brought out (and it ruined Sultans for years in my opinion).

I cannot agree more!
Alessandro
I have to say here that for the final solo after the piano break something is needed to answer Marks guitar in the build up.  When he tries to play that part without a sax he has to put in fills and it sounds too busy and doesn't flow.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: xxFordiexx on May 20, 2011, 01:53:34 PM
That newspaper review is utter gash!

Yes, that's right people JUST the voice was missing in the gig.

OMG! Douche bags.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: the visitor on May 20, 2011, 02:27:56 PM
That newspaper review is utter gash!

Yes, that's right people JUST the voice was missing in the gig.

OMG! Douche bags.

So were you at the gig Fordie?  How can you comment?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: aborille on May 20, 2011, 03:43:03 PM
Yet the contributions of the band are seldom as pronounced as, say, the sax, which tended to dominate proceedings whenever it was brought out (and it ruined Sultans for years in my opinion).

I cannot agree more!
Alessandro
I have to say here that for the final solo after the piano break something is needed to answer Marks guitar in the build up.  When he tries to play that part without a sax he has to put in fills and it sounds too busy and doesn't flow.

It's a matter of personal taste I suppose. I love the 4 pieces version of Sultans far more than any keyboards/sax/steel guitar integrated version.
Especially the 2005 version. I don't think the lack of the sax part forces MK to put in many fills. Listen to the 2008 and 2010 versions where Sultans is sustained by a great groove and rhythmic part.

Alessandro
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 20, 2011, 04:06:54 PM
I used to like the longer version with sax, but these days I love the four piece version best, especially 2010. 
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 20, 2011, 05:55:16 PM
Hi. I'm going on Sunday & thought I'd guess the set list.
(And no I haven't read any reviews) :-)

Starting with:
Calling Elvis

Then in no particular order:
Walk Of Life
Heavy Fuel
The Bug
R&J
Private Investigations
Sultans Of Swing
Why Worry
Tunnel Of Love
Your Latest Trick
On Every Street
Telegraph Rd
So Far Away
Money For Nothing
Brothers In Arms
Solid Rock

Last song:
Going Home

Pretty predictable I know, but just a bit of fun.
You never know, they might throw in a Communique or
a Hand in Hand!!!!!

Cheers. BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 20, 2011, 06:20:40 PM
Sounds about right. They'll probably stick to the most well-known and commercial stuff. Not sure about Heavy Fuel though. Will be fun to read your impressions from the show.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: aborille on May 22, 2011, 07:56:57 PM
Some photos of the pre-show:

http://www.demotiximages.com/news/699277/straits-formerly-dire-straits-perform-gig-under-bridge

Alessandro
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 22, 2011, 08:02:29 PM
Thanks for the pictures, but I'm not too sure about them being described as Dire Straits new line-up, The Straits!  Or even The Straits, formerly Dire Straits!  :-\   
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: aborille on May 22, 2011, 08:19:30 PM
Thanks for the pictures, but I'm not too sure about them being described as Dire Straits new line-up, The Straits!  Or even The Straits, formerly Dire Straits!  :-\   

Finally they're showing their hand...  :disbelief
Alessandro
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: xxFordiexx on May 22, 2011, 09:31:25 PM
That newspaper review is utter gash!

Yes, that's right people JUST the voice was missing in the gig.

OMG! Douche bags.

So were you at the gig Fordie?  How can you comment?

Erm, what do you mean "how can I comment"

This is a Knopfler forum where we can express our opinions.

My comment merely referred to the fact that anyone who honestly feels that the only thing that was missing was Marks voice is totally stupid in my opinion.

Knopflers guitar for one would be missing. Not to mention Illsleys bass for two.

Which ever way you want to look at it, it would have been a competent covers band at best.

Missing Knopfler in my opinion misses the point

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Fieneke2 on May 22, 2011, 10:05:50 PM
Whaauww it took ages to read all your messages of the last weeks! LOL

Well what can I say?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 23, 2011, 07:59:40 AM
Several clips on the Tube now. Poor sound quality, but gives you an impression. It is weird to see Alan, Chris and Phil there (Basel deja vu) without Mark and the rest of the band, but I must I'm impressed. And Reis does a scaringly good job. He sounds very much like a young Mark. More energy. And the guitar playing is really spot on. The band is of course not the real deal, but for people who want to hear the oldies and the hits the way they used to be played, more rocking, more lively, this is as good as it gets, I believe.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkgnCqL8Q1I&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y-yxp02IZo&feature=related

One more clip I found, a really nice version of Romeo and Juliette (the band unfortunately labeled as Dire Straits). Notice Chris' sax solo towards the end. Usually the word "cheesy" springs to mind, but this is truly a trip down memory lane. Alan's piano too. I guess it goes to show that there were more components to the Dire Straits sound than only Mark's voice and guitar ...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WN4BagGyKU&feature=related
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 23, 2011, 09:52:16 AM
Sorry, but I thought SOS was absolutely dreadful!   Wrong notes everywhere, clumsily played - I was glad when it ended!   R&J did absolutely nothing for me either, without Mark's voice, but Chris's solo was beautiful as we would expect.  It just proves to me who was DS - Mark without a doubt!    

Jackal, you were quite right - this was as good as it gets, unfortunately!    Mark has nothing to fear from this at all!   Morer rocking, more lively?   I don't think so!  

It looked from the videos that everyone was having a good time, so maybe you had to be there!    ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 23, 2011, 10:10:10 AM
Sorry, but I thought SOS was absolutely dreadful!   Wrong notes everywhere, clumsily played - I was glad when it ended!   R&J did absolutely nothing for me either, without Mark's voice, but Chris's solo was beautiful as we would expect.  It just proves to me who was DS - Mark without a doubt!    

Jackal, you were quite right - this was as good as it gets, unfortunately!    Mark has nothing to fear from this at all!   Morer rocking, more lively?   I don't think so!  

Can't say I was extatic by what I heard, but for people who really want to hear how the songs used to be played, I think this sounds closer to how it was than with Mark and his band these days. Even John Illsley said (http://www.performing-musician.com/pm/nov08/articles/johnillsley.htm (http://www.performing-musician.com/pm/nov08/articles/johnillsley.htm)) that he didn't like how Mark's new way of playing the old songs sounded. The memories, emotions and associations are just to strong, I guees.

I also agree that Reis' playing wasn't great always, but his sound and style is much closer to how Mark sounded in the early days, much more aggressive. Plus, as far as I understand, he never set out to play the songs note by note.

Still impressed.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 23, 2011, 10:44:57 AM
I will post a review later, but my first thoughts are.....
No goosebumps, but still, what an amazing performance,
with a trip down memory lane.
I thought they played the songs with a great energy, & all
I can say is the audience loved it.
Of course it felt different without Mark, but to see & hear
Alan, Chris & Phil re-creating their memorable musical inputs
was a joy, then to meet them at the after show party was just
the icing on the cake.

Set list in following order:

Private Investigations
Walk Of Life
Telegraph Rd
R&J
Tunnel Of Love
Your Latest Trick
Brothers In Arms
Two Young Lovers
SOS
MFN
Going Home

Full report to come!
Including a great chat with Mr Ed Bicknell

Cheers. BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 23, 2011, 10:48:57 AM
You have a habit of crashing the aftershows!

Glad you had a good time. :)

Personally I don't "get" the whole tribute band thing, with somebody pretending to be somebody else, but I know lots of people do so good luck to them.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 23, 2011, 10:50:55 AM
Hi BBB!    I was thinking of you all last evening and I'm glad you had a good time, even sans goosebumps!   ;D

BTW  Who were the special guests and did anyone from the band pay tribute to Mark for writing the songs?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 23, 2011, 11:09:26 AM
You have a habit of crashing the aftershows!

Glad you had a good time. :)

Personally I don't "get" the whole tribute band thing, with somebody pretending to be somebody else, but I know lots of people do so good luck to them.

Didn't 'Crash' actually. :)

Whilst speaking with Slavi a few months ago, I asked as I knew she would be attending,
that, as a friend of Chris White, would she be going back stage afterwards to meet him?
When I found out she was, I kindly asked if I could accompany her as her guest.
Thanks to Slavi I could. ;D
It was great to at last meet Alan & Phil.
I had (again thanks to Slavi) met Chris before.
Meeting Tom Petty's drummer was also a thrill.
Ed is a very funny, quick witted guy, and a pleasure to meet again, after 1st meeting with
him after a couple of Hillbilly tours in the 90's.

Cheers. BBB. (aka Rudiger) ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 23, 2011, 11:23:34 AM
BBB,

How big was the audience? Any idea how many tickets they sold? From the videos it looked pretty full. I must honestly admit I had expected a much smaller turnout.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 23, 2011, 11:26:21 AM
Hi BBB!    I was thinking of you all last evening and I'm glad you had a good time, even sans goosebumps!   ;D

BTW  Who were the special guests and did anyone from the band pay tribute to Mark for writing the songs?

Hi Val.
Yes, I can't exactly remember what Alan said, but when he
introduced the band members, he thanked Mark Knopfler in a very warm
Heartfelt way, which makes me feel they are still friends.
Also Terrence paid tribute to all the years ago when Dire Straits
first started, mentioning Mark, David, John & Pick.
This won great applause. A real nice touch.
Very funny though was when Alan said that the RAH don't
like people filming, flash photos etc...
but he said to absolutely feel free to film, take pics, post on YouTube, twitter etc...
I don't know if this was a deliberate play on Mark's wishes when he performs.  ;D

Anyway, like I say a fantastic night, and a great appetiser to a MK tour next year
fingers crossed.

Cheers. BBB

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 23, 2011, 11:29:12 AM
Very funny though was when Alan said that the RAH don't
like people filming, flash photos etc...
but he said to absolutely feel free to film, take pics, post on YouTube, twitter etc...
I don't know if this was a deliberate play on Mark's wishes when he performs.  ;D

Nah, just free marketing :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 23, 2011, 11:30:59 AM
Robert Powell (Jesus) compared the night.
1st support was Mark Butcher (ex England cricket)
2nd support was Geno Washington.

Cheers BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 23, 2011, 11:34:14 AM
3000 tix sold, looked pretty full to me.
Pretty much everyone on their feet after 2nd song!

Cheers. BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 23, 2011, 11:36:08 AM
Robert Powell (Jesus) compared the night.
1st support was Mark Butcher (ex England cricket)
2nd support was Geno Washington.

Cheers BBB

I didn't know Mark Butcher was a musician and I've not heard of Geno Washington!   ;D

I noticed that the set-list was pretty short, which probably accounts for two support acts.   ;)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 23, 2011, 11:43:31 AM
I'd not heard of Geno Washington either, but Robert Powell
bigged him up as a somebody!!! :)

Cheers. BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 23, 2011, 12:16:34 PM
Tribute to Geno:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJc_q8eH2ng
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 23, 2011, 12:55:01 PM
A clip of Private Investigations. Better sound and picture. Maybe this what reviewers of the warm-up gig referred to as "soft rock improvisation"?

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp0T-wA6OHg

Nice to hear the marimba sounds and nylon strung guitar again. Evoke that Love over gold / Alchemy feeling.

It lacks a bit oomph though.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 23, 2011, 01:10:08 PM
It just lacked all of the power and dramatics that DS had!   I didn't like the arrangement much either - there were times when nothing much was happening at all.  Better picture and sound though! 
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 23, 2011, 01:31:28 PM
Val is angrrrrrry today  ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 23, 2011, 01:40:27 PM
Val is angrrrrrry today  ;D

LOL!    :lol   :lol   No not angry, I just feel like expressing a few observations!    ;D

Hey Jackal, perhaps I'm in a Valerie mood today!     :lol   ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on May 23, 2011, 03:43:22 PM
It was a very very nice pleasure to meet BBB and Slavina, you were both very kind, and thank you for your help!

My pictures http://www.flickr.com/photos/atmilinko/sets/72157626662119809/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/atmilinko/sets/72157626662119809/)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on May 23, 2011, 03:45:43 PM
also, strange setlist order.?
and no "goodies" i mean, no single handed sailor or it never rains or or or...
still waiting for the juicy stories from BBB though...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jarle on May 23, 2011, 03:55:57 PM
Thanks for the photos, jbaent. Did Terence borrow Mark's National? ;) I thought that model with the palm trees was quite unique, but I suppose I was wrong...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on May 23, 2011, 03:56:34 PM
I will resume the whole thing telling that it was a dream to listen finally to the piano and sax that made me feel shivers on my spine so many years, Alan and Chris were excellent, as they always where, that worth the whole thing.

About the rest of the band, I never liked Steve Ferrone when with Clapton, and he kind of ruined the whole show with his two hard, strange and soulness playing, I never disliked a drummer as much as I do with him, but he's a nice guy anyway  ;D

The rest of the band, Phil was ok, Terence, well, he
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pick on May 23, 2011, 04:01:42 PM
I've been patiently and exhaustively reading this thread as a guest for the last couple of weeks now, and having attended the gig at the RAH last night and one of the warm-ups last week, I can now comment on what I've seen, heard and read.

Firstly, it's only fair to point out that I am a friend of Terence's, having known him for the better part of a decade. I'm also a musician in his band. As a musician, actor and a man he is immensely talented. You must appreciate that in his own music, Terence constantly battles to stay out of the Knoplfer style and to avoid comparison, simply because Knoplfer did it first. However, he does not have to try very hard to achieve that sound because he grew up playing finger style guitar which is prevalent in Africa, and also exemplified by other players such as J.J. Cale etc. etc. - you've read all this already. His ability to achieve that Knoplfer sound is uncanny and easy; I've seen it up close and even jammed a couple of DS covers with him for the fun.

I was also a big fan of Dire Straits, though I am a little too young to have ever attended any live shows; I did however get to see Knopfler about two years ago which was pretty special.

I think on the subject of the name 'The Straits' and the marketing to which you all so object, I am sure you understand that in a venture this big the band have little to no input in these matters. Much like the hapless customer service rep you get through to when complaining to a utility company, the band are the public face but that does not mean they are responsible for the promotional material. Allessandro, they are not "showing their hand" - the video is from a concert attendee posting on YouTube.

As I said, I was a fan of the recorded material and had all the albums and the Alchemy double album to which I still return from time to time. I knew every word and was able to sing every lick and I loved the changes in arrangements the band made for the live show.

So, to The Straits live. Based on the above, with a little understandable bias but a healthy appreciation for the material, I loved the show. As a live show in its own right it shone but I can tell you the performance was also FRIGHTENINGLY accurate. I simply will not accept from a look at the YouTube clips that SOS was "clumsily played" nor were there "wrong notes everywhere". I was there; it wasn't and there weren't. Terence did not play the Knopler solos, for sure, but they were in style and they were great. As Jackal said, Terence was never going to try to imitate note-for-note. The band was exceptionally tight, too, and "more rocking" refers to something Alan Clark said - from within the band, this is as good as he's experienced it - a personal opinion you can't really argue with. My own personal experience was spine-tingling in the extreme.

I infer from the comments on the forum that some of you (not all) wanted the band and gig to be poor, and the constant comments that it misses Mark's voice or guitar playing only serve to reinforce that impression. We know Terence isn't Mark; neither he nor you want him to be. As it stands, the gig was well-received, successful and more importantly I found it to be an evocative representation of the music of Dire Straits. I am filled with pride to have seen Terence step into such big shoes and do such a commendable job with - and let me be very clear here - GENUINE humility.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 23, 2011, 04:02:13 PM
also, strange setlist order.?
and no "goodies" i mean, no single handed sailor or it never rains or or or...
still waiting for the juicy stories from BBB though...


Too short show, Pottel. Plus those songs are reserved for the geeks  :P
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Tally on May 23, 2011, 04:14:36 PM
Pick, interesting to hear your thoughts. I think indeed that some of the people in here easily become over-protective of Mark and his heritage  :)

From the few clips, I think it sounded good, and much more energetic than Mark's shows today. As for the lead guitar, I think it was technically impressive and in the vain of Mark without being a clone, which should be fine. 

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 23, 2011, 04:45:51 PM
Pick,  Thanks for your comments.    I know it's not the best way to review a performance, from a video clip, especially with poor sound, but I still stand by what I have already said about SOS, it didn't sound good at all to me!    R & J was better, but mainly due to the beautiful solo by Chris.   I suppose it was one of those occasions when you had to be there to appreciate the performance!

I am glad that you all had a great time - that was obvious from the clips - and that a lot of money was made for the charity, which was the aim of the show!
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 23, 2011, 04:51:35 PM
All I know is that it was an all round fantastic gig.
I love Mark as much as anyone hear on or off this forum,
but I took this gig for what it was. I actually really enjoyed
Terence's guitar sound. It did'nt bother me one bit that it didn't
'exactly' re-create every note. I enjoyed the differences.
I didn't go to compare, or judge, I went along to hear the great songs
that Mark had written over the last 3 decades, by great musicians, some
of which have been along for the ride.
I would go and see them again for sure.

I still love you Mark!!! :-* :-* ;D

Cheers. BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pick on May 23, 2011, 05:06:37 PM
Thanks BBB, that's the spirit. And yes, superval, I hope a lot of money was made for charity and I and my fellow musicians and fans of Terence had  great time.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 23, 2011, 05:51:51 PM
My wife was just watching that horrendous programme on ITV
called Loose Women.
Denise Welch one of the presenters on that programme mentioned
that she went to see The Straits last night.
The keyboard player is her god son apparently.

Cheers. BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 23, 2011, 07:15:36 PM
Pick,  Thanks for your comments.    I know it's not the best way to review a performance, from a video clip, especially with poor sound, but I still stand by what I have already said about SOS, it didn't sound good at all to me!   


I've only had a chance to watch the Sultans and MFN clips, and in my opinion his recreation of MK's guitar tone on both were first rate.

But sorry Pick, there most definitely were some bum notes on Sultans. No question. :) Understandable given the circumstances.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pick on May 23, 2011, 07:51:29 PM
"Some bum notes" and "full of wrong notes" are two very different things though. And I'd be confident in betting MK has made a mistake or two in his time... Problem is, Terence is under such close scrutiny. There was nothing that really offended my ear but then nothing in the DS back catalogue made much use of real chromaticism... ;-)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 23, 2011, 08:04:55 PM
"Some bum notes" and "full of wrong notes" are two very different things though. And I'd be confident in betting MK has made a mistake or two in his time... Problem is, Terence is under such close scrutiny. There was nothing that really offended my ear but then nothing in the DS back catalogue made much use of real chromaticism... ;-)

Sorry, hope I don't appear too ignorant, had to look up the word Chromaticism. ???


Chromaticism

Web definitions

Chromaticism is a compositional technique interspersing the primary diatonic pitches and chords with other pitches of the chromatic scale. Chromaticism is in contrast or addition to tonality or diatonicism (the major and minor scales). ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromaticism
Use of notes not in the basic scale of a composition or passage. Harmonic style frequently using such notes.
www.laco.org/glossary/
the use of tones outside of the diatonic scale, for example, in the key of C: C, D, D#, F# rather than the diatonic C, D, E, F.
www.navyband.navy.mil/mfe_saxqtetglossary.shtml
Refers to the use of pitches foreign to the key of the passage.
highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072852607/student_view0/part4/chapter1/key_terms.html

Cheers. BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 23, 2011, 08:07:57 PM
Not being a guitarist, I'm still non the wiser. :lol

Cheers. BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Darling Pretty on May 23, 2011, 08:21:17 PM
Just heard SOS. Oh man. Lots of wrong notes.
Did not enjoy it that way.
Wolfgang Uhlig from Dire Strats sounds better I think.

Taste it:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZhTLF4iLoY
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 23, 2011, 08:28:03 PM
Chromatic notes are used as in between-notes to give a smoother sound, typically jazzy. Simple example: Hum Twinkle, twinkle little star: C C E E A A G F F E E D D C. Chromatically you could make it C D D# E A Ab G F E Eb E D Db C, and you get jazz :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 23, 2011, 08:37:28 PM
As for wrong  notes ... Yes, but -

The Straits - rehearsals and three shows together. They are barely warm.

Don't forget we mostly listen to Dire Straits on top form. There are some awful sounding clips out there, and Mark these days, I won't even go there. He basically stays in a comfort zone and barely makes the difficult passages.

Let the Straits take a 50 show tour and then listen.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 23, 2011, 08:40:18 PM
"Some bum notes" and "full of wrong notes" are two very different things though. And I'd be confident in betting MK has made a mistake or two in his time... Problem is, Terence is under such close scrutiny. There was nothing that really offended my ear but then nothing in the DS back catalogue made much use of real chromaticism... ;-)

Hi Pick,   Yes MK makes mistakes too, no-one is perfect, but Terrence made more than a few!  
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Darling Pretty on May 23, 2011, 08:41:35 PM
Absolutely right Jackal.
On both points
Maybe 50 shows later SOS sounds way better.
When they come to Germany, I would go
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pick on May 23, 2011, 08:58:24 PM
I think Jackal puts it best. This was a fist major outing for Terence at the helm of this band.

That acknowledged, in all the notes that are played in the show I don't think there are as many mistakes as you suggest. The occasional bit of jazz ;) doesn't offend my ear, as I said.

With such a history of live shows, fans really know what to expect from Knopfler. Terence, as we have said, is not Knopfler and no matter how accurate the main sections of the songs, if he deviates in the solos "bum notes" / mistakes / adventurous harmonies are likely.

Anyway, I was there and it sounded great in the moment.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on May 23, 2011, 09:18:11 PM
Boy, one day off the forum and SO much stuff to read. Just hustled through the last four pages of this thread (in another thread somebody also said that Richard will be with Mark? How does he know?)

All I can say is: I can understand Pick and that he is proud of his mate to do a gig at the Albert (just think about it!) and made a more or less great impression TO THE AUDIENCE! We all around here were waiting, let's face it, with a biased attitude to see, "now, let's see how they bungled it up." Well, I must admit that I am (or was) not free from these feelings when I thought this afternoon about maybe reading something about the gig this evening.
But Picks post (and also the great posts of BBB who is a obviously really openminded and great fellow  ;D) put it in perspective for me. They had fun and success, ok, but they were not a new Dire Straits, but a tribute band that gives its best.

And:

I tried to watch the clips, but had to stop them after two or three minutes. A big warm feeling of love for Mark and HIS way of playing suddenly started to fill my belly, when I heard the first notes of Private Investigations guitar and I suddenly remembered WHAT it exactly was and is that I like - it is what Mark does to it. To play R&J is really a lion-hearted task, and even if he managed to do it well, it is MARK's song! If there is one song they should have not played it would be R&J in my opinion... And Sultans? Of course, there are a lot of versions of SOS from Mark since 1996 with many mistakes... So Mr. Reis is forgiven...

About that link with the John Illsley interview, thanks a lot, never read that, very interesting!

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 23, 2011, 09:21:12 PM

Anyway, I was there and it sounded great in the moment.

Yes, I know what you mean.  I think that being there is quite a different experience to listening to a recording after the event!   I have been at some MK concerts and thought it was wonderful, but on listening to the recording it wasn't that great afterall!    

What I heard are not jazzy bits, or deviations. I would be happy about those "mistakes" - no, what I heard definitely did offend my ear!   MK has said that he is happy about some of his mistakes and he tries to leave them in and eventually they become part of the song.  That's OK if the mistake sounds good.  ;)

Of course, the band is very new - they just need time playing together!   :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 23, 2011, 09:45:04 PM

What I heard are not jazzy bits, or deviations. I would be happy about those "mistakes" - no, what I heard definitely did offend my ear!   MK has said that he is happy about some of his mistakes and he tries to leave them in and eventually they become part of the song.  That's OK if the mistake sounds good.  ;)

Agreed.

Pick, good for you for sticking up for your mate, but there is loyalty, and there is delusion.

Trying to imply that rather than playing a handful of duff notes while fronting a band made up of people you idolised all your life, in front of the world's media, at the Royal Albert Hall, he was deliberately going off on a Smalls-esque Jazz Oddessey, well, that falls into the latter category.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pick on May 23, 2011, 10:04:12 PM
Y'know, it is simply a discussion I'm going to step away from. I keep referring back to the recording and it is very different to the live DS versions I've heard. It's also not perfect. However, I just can't get upset about it and I don't think there's enough there to spoil it for anyone but purist DS/MK fans...and yes, I understand what this forum is all about.

FYI, "jazz" is our polite word in the band (yes, with Terence) for duff notes. I acknowledge there are a few mistakes in there. Please also appreciate I know his playing quite well and, left to his own devices in a solo he will get adventurous which might not always work. Those of us who are musicians will understand that feeling; I do it all the time!

In context, I think it was the last song of the main set and the energy in the room just made it special.

Thank you, Love Expresso and BBB, for understanding my point of view. I've realised I actually don't care if die hard DS fans think it was good. As I mentioned, I know the material and I enjoyed it, as did the audience in general I think, and in the grand scheme of things that was the important point. The bonus is that some contributors on this forum seem pleasantly surprised by Terence's contribution, which I always thought and hoped would be the case.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: the visitor on May 23, 2011, 10:09:38 PM
It was an awesome gig.  This was not, however, a gig for Knopfler fundamentalists - it was for people who wanted to have a damn good time and hear Dire Straits songs played well, and by some of the original band. 

From a brief read of this forum it seems the hard line faction were all at home anyway awaiting for YouTube footage with notepads ready to spring onto this forum and slate the gig. In my short time on this place, I would have expected nothing else.  Let me tell you, you're in the minority. Life exists outside of the internet and everyone at the RAH yesterday had an awesome time.  How do I know?  Because a packed house stood around me on their feet dancing....you couldn't help but stand up, the atmosphere was electric.

If you weren't there, save your negativity and go and get your fix of MK at his next charity gig.  Oh sorry, you won't be able to go to that one becuase you aren't a member of a high society club or associated with a Radio 4 presenter. 

Face it, YOU MISSED OUT!!!!  Long live the Straits!!!
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 23, 2011, 10:24:14 PM
The bonus is that some contributors on this forum seem pleasantly surprised by Terence's contribution, which I always thought and hoped would be the case.

I would certainly fall into this category, but that said I'm not really the target audience here - I don't like tribute bands and I have no interest in watching somebody pretending to be Knopfler.

As from the start, I wish the musicians well. My only beef is with the marketing, which I consider to have been on occasion both misleading and dishonest.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 23, 2011, 10:29:29 PM
Zog put on his glasses, bent forward towards the displays on the wall, slightly squinting.
-Red? he said
He pulled the lever on his chair, descended to level 2A, jumped off the chair and crossed the little metal bridge.
-Now, where are ya? Zog said facing the vast wall of buttons and levers.
-Internet forums ... AMIT ... Discussions ... Ah, there ya are!
Zog pressed the button named Temperature and turned the adjacent lever from "Heated" to "Amiable".
-Ah! All set.
-But what's that? Never seen that one before? "D-e-l-e-t-e-t-h-e I-n-t-e-r-n-e-t". Delete the Internet? Oh my goodness ...
Zog felt a tingling sensation in his toes, and mischivious grin appeared on his face.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: aborille on May 23, 2011, 10:35:55 PM

Face it, YOU MISSED OUT!!!!  Long live the Straits!!!


Missed what?
We already enjoyed them, included Jack Sonni and Mel Collins  :lol :lol

http://www.ultimissime.net/Eventi/MONTE-S.-G.-CAMPANO-Dire-Straits-un-concerto-straordinario.html

Alessandro
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on May 23, 2011, 10:42:08 PM
Knopfler fundamentalists -  

the hard line faction were all at home anyway awaiting for YouTube footage with notepads ready to spring onto this forum and slate the gig.  

In my short time on this place, I would have expected nothing else.

If you weren't there, save your negativity and go and get your fix of MK at his next charity gig.  Oh sorry, you won't be able to go to that one becuase you aren't a member of a high society club or associated with a Radio 4 presenter.  

Face it, YOU MISSED OUT!!!!  Long live the Straits!!!


Hmmm. Speaking of negativity...


I however hope I can see MK on one or some more "regular" gig(s) in 2012 when he hopefully tours for the sixth time in the last 12 years. I have not the feeling that I am missed out as a part of his large audiences all over the world.

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dona74 on May 23, 2011, 11:39:39 PM

Face it, YOU MISSED OUT!!!!  Long live the Straits!!!



It's very clear to me that on Sunday 22th May 2011 Dire Straits officially died.  Now we have an official date for this death.

Long live the Straits?  Oh my god....  Have you ever heard a good tribute band? I don't need to go to the Rah to hear one of those good tribute band.... Come on.... as McEnroe said.... "you cannot be serious!"

And please.... stop saying that it was for charity.... I mean... this concert was charity for sure.... and why this band will tour (for example here in Italy) this summer....? (oh.. yes... sorry.... for charity!)

And what about those "professional musicians"? Someone told them that they are playing in a tribute band? Or probably they all clearly know what's the project? (Oh yeah... obviously the project is a wonderful tribute to Knopfler's music... of course.... me stupid!)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 23, 2011, 11:43:40 PM
I don't want to get into the 'DS/MK die hard, purest fan' debate again,
but I 'do' count myself as one.
I have seen MK in various forms, weather it be with DS, solo, NHB's
Over 30 times to date, and there will never be another
musician alive, that gives me the feeling that he does
when i listen to one of his studio albums, watch him live
Or even play a few well placed notes on someone else's album,
but at the same time, like LE said, I am and always have been very open minded
towards music. That's why I like so many other artists.
I don't know if it's because I don't play the guitar, or any other
instrument for that matter, that my ears don't pick up on the same things.
I have many DS, MK bootlegs, most of which capture Mark & the band in perfect
mode, but still some of my favourite bootlegs are ones where a note is wrong or
whatever you want to call it.
As far as last night goes though, yes, after listening to some of the You tube clips
I can see that it wasn't note perfect, but if you were immersed in the whole atmosphere
of hearing & seeing some of your idols in action, with the whole crowd up on their feet
almost from the second song, you would appreciate that's all that matters.
Btw. Do my 2 MK related tattoos make me a super hardcore fan???!!
(And before I get my wrists slapped, I am of course joking)

Cheers. BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: ds1984 on May 23, 2011, 11:49:45 PM
It was an awesome gig.  This was not, however, a gig for Knopfler fundamentalists - it was for people who wanted to have a damn good time and hear Dire Straits songs played well, and by some of the original band. 

From a brief read of this forum it seems the hard line faction were all at home anyway awaiting for YouTube footage with notepads ready to spring onto this forum and slate the gig. In my short time on this place, I would have expected nothing else.  Let me tell you, you're in the minority. Life exists outside of the internet and everyone at the RAH yesterday had an awesome time.  How do I know?  Because a packed house stood around me on their feet dancing....you couldn't help but stand up, the atmosphere was electric.

If you weren't there, save your negativity and go and get your fix of MK at his next charity gig.  Oh sorry, you won't be able to go to that one becuase you aren't a member of a high society club or associated with a Radio 4 presenter. 

Face it, YOU MISSED OUT!!!!  Long live the Straits!!!


I don't like the tone of this post.

FYI, even if MK does perform from time to time a gig for ultra selected attendance, he is otherwise quite touring a lot enough (2001, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 201?) not to make the "Knopfler fundamentalists" utterly upset because they couldn't get in one night. So nothing that was really missed out from that side.
But what pissed me off is that I live too far away to go to the RAH!

And I wish The Straits to be successful enough to be able to perform as many shows that MK did in the last decade.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 24, 2011, 12:07:15 AM
I can't stand Walk of life, but in this version Reis plays a solo at the end. That's nice. I always felt there was something missing. (Except for during the OES tour when we got pedal steel overkill.)

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmDQ_QrvdbU
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on May 24, 2011, 01:00:26 AM
ok girls, stop bitchfighting.
the show is over, get on with it, listen to Guy, saying the same thing.
not worth fighting over her on the forum.
let this be a first warning (not the last, as we are not "that kinda forum")
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on May 24, 2011, 07:53:59 AM
Selber Bitch!  ;D

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Fletch on May 24, 2011, 08:10:02 AM
Full report to come!
Including a great chat with Mr Ed Bicknell

Cheers. BBB

Hey BBB, keep us posted on your post-show interview! ;) Was Ed involved with this? I can half imagine him trying to get as many confusing references to DS in the media as possible. lol.

I`d also like to know if there were any significant portion of the crowd thinking, "Where`s Mark?" or was is it obvious everyone knew this was a gig without The Knop?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Fletch on May 24, 2011, 08:14:47 AM
Oh and to all those who went along, glad you enjoyed it!

I was half inclined to go to the BIA tribute last year in Sydney and if my wife had bought some tickets I would`ve gone! Grrr.
There are some vids on Youtube of it, the sound production and tones seem great but playing MFN with a plectrum is not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on May 24, 2011, 09:11:16 AM
Selber Bitch!  ;D

LE
deine mutter!  :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 24, 2011, 09:34:50 AM
Selber Bitch!  ;D

LE
deine mutter!  :)

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_S5cXbXe-4
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on May 24, 2011, 07:20:21 PM
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bB1XyNqcbU
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: simonmarksmith on May 24, 2011, 08:12:26 PM
Hi

Here's a blog I wrote about the concert


http://simonmarksmith.com/wordpress/uncategorized/the-straits-at-the-albert-hall-may-22-2011/



And here are a couple of the videos we took there (One of which was already on here earlier)

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp0T-wA6OHg



 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3rgyDWNMwI

I hope you find them interesting.

Simon





Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on May 24, 2011, 08:32:05 PM
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Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 24, 2011, 08:44:19 PM
let this be a first warning (not the last, as we are not "that kinda forum")

I don't know if the warning was strictly necessary. We value our free speech here and although strong opinions were being put forward, people were remaining civil. :)

Hmmm. Speaking of negativity...


I however hope I can see MK on one or some more "regular" gig(s) in 2012 when he hopefully tours for the sixth time in the last 12 years. I have not the feeling that I am missed out as a part of his large audiences all over the world.

LE

Well said LE. This is of course a Mark Knopfler forum, not a Dire Straits forum, so it should be clear where most people's loyalties lie. Yes, of course, most of us came to Mark's music through DS, and we still love DS and the contributions all the many great musicians made over the years, but the main reason most people are here is Mark Knopfler...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 24, 2011, 08:57:11 PM
Hi

Here's a blog I wrote about the concert


http://simonmarksmith.com/wordpress/uncategorized/the-straits-at-the-albert-hall-may-22-2011/

Simon, that is a very well written piece. Thank you for sharing.

Welcome to the forum and please stick around. :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: simonmarksmith on May 24, 2011, 09:10:35 PM
Hi

Here's a blog I wrote about the concert


http://simonmarksmith.com/wordpress/uncategorized/the-straits-at-the-albert-hall-may-22-2011/

Simon, that is a very well written piece. Thank you for sharing.

Welcome to the forum and please stick around. :)

Thank you Dustyvalentino for your kind welcome... glad to have found you all. I have been a MK and DS fan since around 1977, but mainly from 1981. I shall try to pop by regularly.

:-)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 24, 2011, 09:24:05 PM
Simon,  Welcome to this forum and thank you for your beautifully written and very touching blog!   I look forward to reading more from you.    :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: simonmarksmith on May 24, 2011, 09:55:51 PM
Simon,  Welcome to this forum and thank you for your beautifully written and very touching blog!   I look forward to reading more from you.    :)

Thank you very much Val   :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dona74 on May 24, 2011, 11:27:05 PM
ok girls, stop bitchfighting.
the show is over, get on with it, listen to Guy, saying the same thing.
not worth fighting over her on the forum.
let this be a first warning (not the last, as we are not "that kinda forum")

Sorry.... I think you're right... ;)

It's only a very bad feeling when I think "Straits" without Knopfler... and sure I don't have to explain it in this forum.....  :)

Hi

Here's a blog I wrote about the concert


http://simonmarksmith.com/wordpress/uncategorized/the-straits-at-the-albert-hall-may-22-2011/

Simon... I like very much your piece...  ;)....... not The Straits... only your piece...




Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 24, 2011, 11:34:25 PM
I too, Simon, liked your piece.

That you wrote.

------------------

A bit like this situation ...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALgoJBB_5KA
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dona74 on May 24, 2011, 11:39:01 PM
Come on.... I'm Italian and I'm doing my best with english language....

 ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 24, 2011, 11:40:20 PM
Don't worry, Dona. It's all just fun. :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dona74 on May 24, 2011, 11:54:05 PM
Of course.... :)

As punishment for my bad english now I'm listening to Tunnel of Love by "The Straits".....

Up to the final solo it's tolerable to me..... but the wonderful solo that we love..... Sure I don't need good english or other words to make understand all of you what I mean....

Sorry! This was my last post about The Straits.... I promise....
By now you should know my thought...




Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on May 25, 2011, 04:23:10 PM
let this be a first warning (not the last, as we are not "that kinda forum")

I don't know if the warning was strictly necessary. We value our free speech here and although strong opinions were being put forward, people were remaining civil. :)

I think the warning is strictly necessary. And it is a little bit late. This is not a secret forum - many people read it and don't believe of the counter ( trying to refresh the page, it don't move). This topic is read far more than 9000 times. And there is not a topic with negative comments on the other 2 forums - so everything COMES from here.

I found this topic and the negative comments here quoted in 4 other musical forums and in many other places too. THIS gave power to some people to start fighting on Guy Fletcher's forum too.

This topic gave power and inspiration for many people to insist if Guy Fletcher talk to Mark. There have been private mails I believe to Guy and PC Management. But there were no rights to be broken with all this The Straits' thing and Guy said it clear. So the only one GOAL THAT COULD BE ACHIEVED is Mark to be confronted and also Guy against their old friends from DS and conversely.

BELIEVE ME FOLKS, it could happen in the near future if you all continue to attack Guy and PC Management. So the free speech thing is a very good thing if you don't put your nose in somebody else's job. There is other thing too called 'making intrigues' and that's what really happened here.

I'm sure most of you couldn't realize that and it was not their purpous to do but it is a fact - some people used your negativism to make intrigues.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on May 25, 2011, 04:39:23 PM
The "getalifers" strikes back...

And they are really doing a great job for themselfs  :-[
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 25, 2011, 06:16:09 PM


I'm not asking you! Please, ask yoursef....Do you REALLY REALLY LOVE Mark to hurt him like that? Or the free speech thing is more important to you? There always have been a choice - to hide yourself behind "MY" opinion's rights or to be wise and silent... :-\   



I really fail to see how anything posted in this thread could hurt Mark Knopfler in any way.

You will forgive me for being sceptical of your scaremongering post, given the previous information you posted on behalf of The Straits that subsequently proved to be untrue.

playing them again for charity which is the  only one purpose - This info I got from CW directly!
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 25, 2011, 06:26:22 PM
From Guy's forum:

So THE STRAITS want to do a few gigs in Italy..why the panic? If the demand is there and no copyright laws are broken then why get upset?

Guy:    No panic, I think it's a great idea.....it's just that the name is misleading IMO


Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: xxFordiexx on May 25, 2011, 06:42:17 PM
Hi all,

Just thought I'd check in to make sure everyone is still alive ;)

After stepping well away from this thread after only one comment it given me time to think about it properly. What are the real issues here? I mean it's not as if we've never got upset before about Knopfler related stuff.

So then, in all honesty, I know , you know, that these guys are not gonna take anything away from Mark Knopfler or do any damage at all. If anything, like with all tribute acts we should be proud that they are going out and performing Mark Knopflers songs. Mark will never be replaced nor imitated well enough so I'm not gonna even get annoyed with it.

Look at the end of the day, we are Knopfler fans and any celebration of his work should be greeted with open arms. There's only one Knopfler with his talent, always will be, so let's just be happy we're all still alive enjoying his music. There's by far way too many other bad things going on in this world.

So forgetting the crap reporting rubbish from some papers and remembering that noone plays DS like Mark Knopfler, we can continue on to celebrate all that's important.

Laters folks

Fordie

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on May 25, 2011, 07:02:37 PM
OK, Dusty and Val you both rule this thread.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
 :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 25, 2011, 07:17:02 PM
Hi Fordie,   I agree with you entirely!    Let's hope Mark & DS sell lots and lots of albums in the wake of this concert!    Now I'm looking forward to Mark's next album and tour!    :P

Slavi, I hope we can put all of this behind us now and be friends!    Nobody, I am sure would ever want to hurt Mark in any way, because we all care about him too much.  As dusty has already said, nothing we have discussed on this forum could possibly have hurt him in the least!    Let's move on now, shall we?   :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Banjo99uk on May 25, 2011, 07:27:30 PM
It's a no brainer. Freedom of speech wins every single time.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 25, 2011, 07:53:44 PM
It's a no brainer. Freedom of speech wins every single time.

Every time!  Isn't that the reason this forum was started?   In some parts of the world, people don't have that fundamental right!    
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on May 25, 2011, 08:16:16 PM
This thread is 30 pages long in the meantime and I do not fancy re-read them all, but I really can't remember anything that could be described with the words "attack", "intrigue" or stuff like that. What do I care about "other" forums? Is it really realistic to think that some "negativism" is taken from here to, let's say, MKNews? That would mean the first post over there this month... sorry, couldn't resist - those forums are irrelevant to me in terms of discussing themes like this one: The main theme is still the bungle from this band about "charity" in the first few messages and then talking about a tour which let the Charity idea seem a little like a cheap trick to get some attention - and the whole thing about the name Straits is still something that gives us the right to moan about.

Mark and Guy have nothing to do with it in my opinion, and let me say, the whole way Guy talked about it in his forum or on his page is very neutral, friendly and in no way offensive or even offended.

I wondered if you, Slavi would give us your review or opinion about this show because you were one of the few forumers who went there. I was astonished to read your "attack" instead - capital letters make me uneasy almost everytime I see them, when they are not from Pottel, Fienecke or BBB!  ;)

So I hope everything is fine with you, us and them and we can really carry on. Would you mind give us your opinion about the show, maybe in consideration of Chris White, from your "special" point of view?

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on May 25, 2011, 08:33:39 PM
PLEASE, stop that topic...
Sorry, LE...put me in your capital letters list one-two times only...would you?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on May 25, 2011, 08:38:45 PM
Done!  :D  ;D

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: simonmarksmith on May 25, 2011, 08:42:40 PM
ok girls, stop bitchfighting.
the show is over, get on with it, listen to Guy, saying the same thing.
not worth fighting over her on the forum.
let this be a first warning (not the last, as we are not "that kinda forum")

Sorry.... I think you're right... ;)

It's only a very bad feeling when I think "Straits" without Knopfler... and sure I don't have to explain it in this forum.....  :)

Hi

Here's a blog I wrote about the concert


http://simonmarksmith.com/wordpress/uncategorized/the-straits-at-the-albert-hall-may-22-2011/

Simon... I like very much your piece...  ;)....... not The Straits... only your piece...






Thank you Dona LOL :lol
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: simonmarksmith on May 25, 2011, 08:48:50 PM
I too, Simon, liked your piece.

That you wrote.


Thank you Jackal
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Fieneke2 on May 25, 2011, 09:52:43 PM
Oohhhh whaauww, what a messages I had to read again, this is sure a HOT dog
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 25, 2011, 10:10:47 PM
Btw fieneke.
What a coincidence at the gig on Sunday.
I saw 2 of the members of Dire Fakes!!!
I didn't even know they were going.
It's a small world!!
We had a great chat. It was really great to meet with
them after the party 3 years ago.

Cheers. BBB

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on May 25, 2011, 10:17:42 PM
Well, I
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on May 25, 2011, 10:50:29 PM
Is it just me, or is this topic getting boring?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on May 25, 2011, 11:37:54 PM
A bit repetitive I
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on May 25, 2011, 11:56:22 PM

Dear friends, I had really great time, both concerts were very nice, great performance by the musicians. I have heard Alan Clark some times live in Italy and on so many bootlegs...LOL...But I heard him for the FIRST time fully in RAH ( LE sorry I'm running out of capital letters limit now). The fans who have been to many DS concerts know what I mean - for me it was the first time. He was brilliant.

Chris was brilliant too, as usual - a real artist on the stage, not one of the best saxophonist only. I could not see the rest of the Band because I love these two more. Val I can truly understand your opinion here.   

I didn't notice misleaded by the name of the Band people on both concerts - I think the audience was aware that Mark will not play there. The audience was very warm, noisy and happy, they were on their feet most of the time. There were not screaming "I want Mark" people except  one boy who was quite drunk and made the bodyguards uneasy - aproched the stage and told the Band "Please, tell Mark..."

At Under The Bridge Club I was surprised to see so many young people dancing and singing. After the concert some of them came to greet Chris. One boy about 20 years old said he was happy to hear something from the spirit of the 80-iest which is great and which is missing on the contemporary music.

I was so happy to meet BBB again. also Jbaent, Havier and other fans from Spain.

The truth is that I'm very confused about some things.
Don't know what to mail Chris or if to suggest him to change the name.
Sometimes it's difficult to be an official fan site - a big responsibility.

As most of you are sure, I'm not quite sure the main problem is the name - there are other bad things involved here too...

Chris is very pure, sincere and loyal about his relationship with Mark and Guy. He has told me many times about Mark's genius talent like a songwritter and told that this time too. He is one of the nicest people in the world, really special and unique as a percon. That's why I feel so frustrated when the people accuse him unfairly and put him in the wrong category...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on May 26, 2011, 12:04:47 AM
BTW, welcome Simon! Was surprised to know you are a fan. It's a pity we didn't meet...

I'm not sure if people here know that Simon has a song with Chris on sax and Chris Whitten on the drums...Simon, would be happy to know how was that happen??

http://www.simonsdiary.co.uk/songs/Songs%202002/songs%202002.html#gritty
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Fletch on May 26, 2011, 12:16:57 AM
It's a no brainer. Freedom of speech wins every single time.

You got to fight to keep this one alive.

I used to be part of the an extremely popular forum called Strat-Talk for years. Recently I made one comment about the death of Osama (nothing outrageous, just a 'hope the world is a better place blah blah') - the post was quickly deleted. I made a post asking why my post was deleted and used the phrase "what happened to free speech" - I was then banned and my status says "banned forever!" and the reason given was "continually questioning the actions of Moderators".

Well, I was outraged to say the least, but have decided that any forum with those draconian and limited rules isn`t worth the time of day. And therefore is a poorer place. Might as well watch Play School.

Please keep this forum alive with a members right to have an opinion and a point of view.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: joanzimm on May 26, 2011, 12:18:46 AM
Thank you, Slavi, for sharing your thoughts and your experience.  It certainly sounds like everyone enjoyed the show and had a fantastic time.  It's hard to listen to negative comments about someone you care about, especially when you know they're not true.  Some of the comments in this thread were quite negative towards MK, and I found them hard to read, too.  I hope things work out for Chris.  He sounds like a good guy.  None of us really know how MK feels about this, do we?  I really doubt he's losing any sleep over it.  He has so many fans, continues to sell out shows wherever he goes.....that's not going to change.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on May 26, 2011, 12:38:19 AM
Fletch I think you got me wrong...anyway it doesn't matter.

Joan, I'm sure Mark don't need to lose his sleep too. Most people would go to see the Band just because they love MK's songs. I'm very thankful to the boy which mentioned the great spirit of the 80-iest missing nowadays...that's the key word imho to understand the reason of The Straits idea.   
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: xxFordiexx on May 26, 2011, 09:31:23 AM
Hi Fordie,   I agree with you entirely!    Let's hope Mark & DS sell lots and lots of albums in the wake of this concert!    Now I'm looking forward to Mark's next album and tour!    :P

Slavi, I hope we can put all of this behind us now and be friends!    Nobody, I am sure would ever want to hurt Mark in any way, because we all care about him too much.  As dusty has already said, nothing we have discussed on this forum could possibly have hurt him in the least!    Let's move on now, shall we?   :)

Hi Val,

Yeah, Me too

I need the new album NOW! lol

In all honesty it can't come quick enough, another live concert ( with Mark in it ;) ) is just what the doctor ordered.

Take care

Fordie
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on May 26, 2011, 01:12:25 PM
It's a no brainer. Freedom of speech wins every single time.

You got to fight to keep this one alive.

I used to be part of the an extremely popular forum called Strat-Talk for years. Recently I made one comment about the death of Osama (nothing outrageous, just a 'hope the world is a better place blah blah') - the post was quickly deleted. I made a post asking why my post was deleted and used the phrase "what happened to free speech" - I was then banned and my status says "banned forever!" and the reason given was "continually questioning the actions of Moderators".

Well, I was outraged to say the least, but have decided that any forum with those draconian and limited rules isn`t worth the time of day. And therefore is a poorer place. Might as well watch Play School.

Please keep this forum alive with a members right to have an opinion and a point of view.
won't happen here....
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 26, 2011, 02:24:15 PM
won't happen here....

Unless anybody makes any comments about my beloved Osama Bin Laden.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Fletch on May 26, 2011, 02:42:04 PM
Lol - sense of humour goes a looooooonnnnnng way for a healthy life! ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 26, 2011, 03:12:37 PM
Lol - sense of humour goes a looooooonnnnnng way for a healthy life! ;D

Well apparently Osama did improv stand up in his spare time but it didn't do him much good in the end.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Fieneke2 on May 26, 2011, 08:30:27 PM
Quote BBB: "I saw 2 of the members of Dire Fakes!!!"

Hey BBB that is great to hear! I met Alan and his wife last year in Brighton and I liked to meet them too!

Slavi, THANK YOU for telling your story about the concert!  :-*

Fieneke
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: simonmarksmith on May 26, 2011, 11:05:10 PM
Oohhhh whaauww, what a messages I had to read again, this is sure a HOT dog
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: simonmarksmith on May 26, 2011, 11:16:22 PM
BTW, welcome Simon! Was surprised to know you are a fan. It's a pity we didn't meet...



I'm not sure if people here know that Simon has a song with Chris on sax and Chris Whitten on the drums...Simon, would be happy to know how was that happen??

http://www.simonsdiary.co.uk/songs/Songs%202002/songs%202002.html#gritty

Thankyou,

I was the one outside who got a parking ticket LOL

Gritty was being produced by Peter Henderson, he had got an Emmy for producing Breakfast In America by Supertramp and was also an engineer for Paul McCartney. I had put some keyboard sax sounds on the demo and said how much I loved Chris White's Sax solo on Romneo and Juliet and he said "Well I'll ask him if he'll play on this then". So that's basically how it happened. Here's the video to the song and if you want to download it for free there's another link below the video.
 http://www.youtube.com/my_videos_insight?v=8eymQHn_tbQ

Here's where I keep my songs... If you join the membership site and then let me know you're from this group I'll put you on The Gold membership level for a year for free ~ there's no catches... honest guv!

http://simonmarksmith.com/wordpress/free-songs/

I've been a fan of Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler for a long time and much of my music is heavily influenced by them..

:-)




Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dona74 on May 26, 2011, 11:29:46 PM

Well let me start! First of all I want to welcome Dona 74 and Simonmarksmith to this wonderful forum of great fans and friends where everybody can give their opinion as long as we all treat each other with respect! We can disagree, but never should hurt each others feelings! …. Fieneke



Thank'you Fieneke...

I was reading this forum since it was created...and I'm sure that it's full of real Knopfler fan but first of all it's full of really nice people and I'm very pleased to be here.
 "The Straits thing" makes me decide to post my feelings despite my poor english .... probably I've choose a post a little too "deep" in our knopflerian souls...  ;)

The real matter IMHO is that there are a lot of Knopfler fans that consider "The Straits thing" a sort of betrayal.
And even if I could (using a big portion of good sense) believe in my head to the good faith of Alan Clark & C... in my heart this disgusting feeling remains.

And this feeling remains regardless of the "Knopfler thought" about the question.

Probably I'm a too "fundamentalist" fan...  ;D   but for me Knopfler is the owner of Dire Straits with the right to decide to put "old time" in the closet.
Some nostalgic friends asked him to open the closet and received many "no.. let's move on" as answer ...but they take it out from the closet anyway (misleading with the Straits name... with charity.... without respect for Knopfler advice).

That's why I can't enjoy myself listening to The Straits... a "bad feeling matter"

Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: riton on May 27, 2011, 12:20:31 AM
Hi all,

No polemic, just my point of view !

In spite of all the debate with the Straits  ( Mark and John seems to be a little bit disappointed on the band's name , but it's not the subject )w
Alan clark updated his site and shows big respect on the MK's choice :
++++++
Since Dire Straits played their last gig in 1992, the magnificently talented, musical genius that is Mark Knopfler has made 6 solo records and, understandably, prefers to leave Dire Straits behind him and concentrate on this solo material. He has made it clear that he does not want to reform the band or play the band's music. We formed The Straits to satisfy the huge demand to hear Dire Straits' music. When we play Dire Straits' music it is being played by the people who made it. I was involved in the creative process of most of Dire Straits' music. A part of me is woven into it. Chris White has been a part of the band since 1985; Phil joined in 1990. Mark's brilliant music is in very safe hands. We love it.
++++++

Alan is an outstanding musician (better according to me than Guy, but I do not speak about compos) as well as do all other members of the Straits, it is indisputable, but look - not for the price of fame???

I think as for myself, that when we are taken in the whirlwind of the glory during a decade and when we are lucky to play with one of the biggest and best band  of moment, which owes mainly its success to the quality of its compo and the brilliance (almost indecently nature)  of a certain Mark, that must be hard to stay in the shadow during 20 years. It  can be an opportunit for this musicians ( excellent musicians) to exist again. If Mark, John, Guy, compose, record, play live in a band , it is not the case of the remainder of the band.

Spent good time with old friends? To make profitable the experiences and knowledge of the past? I hope that Mark will have the same fairplay that Alan.

About the RAH performance , I shall not carry a judgment (too much DS  live music in my ears ) even if Alan and Chris lost nothing, it misses  the master touch which drives and makes all the difference; it says in any objectivity,  what will be a DS gig with MK today ? would have we not the same nostaly of past in front of a Mark not offering to his fans for what they wait and want to listen of a concert of DS?

After all I think that the choice of each is fair and sensible.



Riton
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 27, 2011, 08:38:11 AM
Simon,  Thank you!   I really enjoyed listening to "Gritty", it had a lovely feeling and your voice was complemented so well with Chris's  beautiful sax and the bass running through!    I liked it a lot!    :P
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: simonmarksmith on May 29, 2011, 03:56:47 AM
Simon,  Thank you!   I really enjoyed listening to "Gritty", it had a lovely feeling and your voice was complemented so well with Chris's  beautiful sax and the bass running through!    I liked it a lot!    :P

Thank you Val

If you want to keep in contact and get more songs for Free (So I'm not on the sell OK LOL) come to my music page
http://simonmarksmith.com/wordpress/home/

I'm working on a new song right now and it's so influenced by Dire Straits, there's no escape LOL

Best wishes

Simon
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on May 29, 2011, 01:57:01 PM
I just uploaded my recording, incomplete (I dont know why I
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on May 30, 2011, 02:35:10 PM
won't happen here....

Unless anybody makes any comments about my beloved Osama Bin Laden.
...or Phil...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 30, 2011, 07:06:19 PM
Does anyone know who the management are for The Straits?   There must be someone other than the band who arrange bookings, etc.  Just a thought! 
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: koobaa on May 30, 2011, 08:36:56 PM
According to a poster from page #13 of this thread, the road manager for The Straits is certain Terry Kilburn. What a small world.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: aborille on May 30, 2011, 09:09:37 PM
According to a poster from page #13 of this thread, the road manager for The Straits is certain Terry Kilburn. What a small world.

Nope, that was a fake poster. The photo shows dire straits "legends" band, leaded by Marco Caviglia that performed a few gigs in Italy. Tour Manager was exactly Kilburn.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 30, 2011, 09:13:24 PM
According to a poster from page #13 of this thread, the road manager for The Straits is certain Terry Kilburn. What a small world.

Nope, that was a fake poster. The photo shows dire straits "legends" band, leaded by Marco Caviglia that performed a few gigs in Italy. Tour Manager was exactly Kilburn.

Yes, I thought that was a fake poster and so I didn't really believe TK was manager of The Straits!   I'm just curious to know who is!   ;)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: aborille on May 30, 2011, 09:22:08 PM
According to a poster from page #13 of this thread, the road manager for The Straits is certain Terry Kilburn. What a small world.

Nope, that was a fake poster. The photo shows dire straits "legends" band, leaded by Marco Caviglia that performed a few gigs in Italy. Tour Manager was exactly Kilburn.

Yes, I thought that was a fake poster and so I didn't really believe TK was manager of The Straits!   I'm just curious to know who is!   ;)

My personal guess: Ed Bicknell but he can't march out...  ;)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: koobaa on May 31, 2011, 03:03:03 AM
According to a poster from page #13 of this thread, the road manager for The Straits is certain Terry Kilburn. What a small world.

Nope, that was a fake poster. The photo shows dire straits "legends" band, leaded by Marco Caviglia that performed a few gigs in Italy. Tour Manager was exactly Kilburn.
Well, the photo may be outdated, but the band line up is exactly the same as the last RAH gig, so you never know.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: aborille on May 31, 2011, 06:05:01 PM

Well, the photo may be outdated, but the band line up is exactly the same as the last RAH gig, so you never know.
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Well, the lead guitar in the photo actually is not Reis. And you can clearly see Jack Sonni. The poster is a fake.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: koobaa on May 31, 2011, 06:35:16 PM
Yes, that's why I said they used an outdated photo. Nevermind.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on May 31, 2011, 07:31:22 PM
Yes, that's why I said they used an outdated photo. Nevermind.

Looks like the manager could be Terry Kilburn after all!    :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on May 31, 2011, 08:41:41 PM
The poster is a fake.

How can you say for certain? Seems plausible to me that the promoter just used the first picture he could find. The rest of the info may well be correct.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 31, 2011, 09:42:11 PM
Not that this means anything, but when I was queuing up
for the after show party tickets before the gig, I was talking to Ed & Terry.
They did seem to be together for the evening, but I may be wrong.
Also, not that they would, and it didn't even occur to me to ask,
they certainly didn't mention anything about managing The Straits.

Cheers. BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Waterline Man on May 31, 2011, 10:24:15 PM
Not that this means anything, but when I was queuing up
for the after show party tickets before the gig, I was talking to Ed & Terry.
They did seem to be together for the evening :o :o,

Cheers. BBB

What are you saying BBB,are they an item?? :o :o
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 31, 2011, 10:49:16 PM
Over each other like a rash!!! :-* :o ;D
No seriously. I had a great chat with both of them.
Ed is a lovely chap, & very funny with it.
I've met Terry a couple of times now, and contrary to
what some people think, I find him a nice chap.
I was asking Ed about the NHB's, & he told me a funny
story about how he & Brendan used to get frustrated, because
Mark used to play about a beat behind, & they wanted him to
play a tad faster.
I also showed Ed my KNOPFLER tattoo,
& we both agreed I was a nerdy sad fan. Lol ;D
But in a good way!

Cheers. BBB


Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Waterline Man on May 31, 2011, 10:54:30 PM
Very friendly threesome I'd say :P :o
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 31, 2011, 10:59:02 PM
Very friendly threesome I'd say :P :o

JEALOUS!!!!!!!!!!????? :P ;D

Cheers. BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Waterline Man on May 31, 2011, 11:03:33 PM
Very friendly threesome I'd say :P :o

JEALOUS!!!!!!!!!!????? :P ;D

Cheers. BBB

Let me add that I've seen your tattoo's in person too ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Best Brown Baggies on May 31, 2011, 11:12:57 PM
Very friendly threesome I'd say :P :o

JEALOUS!!!!!!!!!!????? :P ;D

Cheers. BBB

Let me add that I've seen your tattoo's in person too ::) ::)

Something to tell your Grandchildren!
What a 'Claim To Fame'

Cheers BBB
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: aborille on May 31, 2011, 11:20:39 PM
The poster is a fake.

How can you say for certain? Seems plausible to me that the promoter just used the first picture he could find. The rest of the info may well be correct.

Couldn't find anything on the promoter website. Someone asked Terry?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on June 01, 2011, 10:50:15 AM
Terry Kilburn is not managing The Straits at all.

I
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Knut on June 01, 2011, 06:57:40 PM
I liked Sultans, and WoL was very, very nice! Watched the youtube clips :) I'll definately grab a ticket if these guys come to Oslo! That said, I hope they'll add some rarities later...

I don't get why people whine about those "mistakes" etc. I'd rather have a f'ed up, "new" version of a song, rather than listening to parts that have been played to death already.

Not sure how relevant this is, but I use to listen to this clip alot (been a Springsteen fan just as long as I've been a Knopfler fan, hehe :) ): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xcQFn17MTk&feature=related - probably countless mistakes, but it totally made the show something special! In a good way, of course :P The version of Sultans was different than what we're used to, but a good attempt at refreshing some solos deserves some credit.

How cool wouldn't it be if MK added 1 or 2 "wild cards" in the setlist for the next tour? Even without perfect playing I bet most guys here would love to hear Imelda or Boom, Like That or Golden Heart etc one more time. If you want perfection, listen to the albums! ;D
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Love Expresso on June 01, 2011, 09:49:25 PM
That seemed to be a very cool tour indeed!  :o
However, Mk doesn't need a teleprompter to date - which might be explained by his static set lists of course. To me, the perfection of a MK set is significant. I would go for the same set list from the last leg of the GL tour anytime compared with a set that would have some rare, but bad or unrehearsed played stuff...

LE
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on June 03, 2011, 02:54:55 PM
You can call me a cynic, but I won't be surprised if soon after the "one off" charity show we get an announcement along the lines of

Quote
Due to the incredible success of their gig at The Royal Albert Hall, and massive demand from fans, The Straits are pleased to announce that they will be playing at a number of music festivals throughout Europe this summer, starting with...

www.cornburyfestival.com

Anybody want next week's lottery numbers as well? ;)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on June 03, 2011, 02:57:59 PM
I would go for the same set list from the last leg of the GL tour anytime compared with a set that would have some rare, but bad or unrehearsed played stuff...

I wouldn't. I'm not really aware of any "bad" music released by MK, and we keep being told that these are the best musicians in the world. I'm sure that's true. So surely they could cope with some varied sets?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on June 03, 2011, 05:28:49 PM
I'm just sceptical that it could turn out to be "the thin end of the wedge" and I feel there could be a hidden agenda!  We'll see soon enough! :-\

Hmmmm!   I thought so! 
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on June 04, 2011, 08:13:24 AM
A hidden agenda?

What I see its a lot of free time...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on June 04, 2011, 09:34:03 AM
A friend of mine uploaded his recording of the show

http://www.archive.org/details/TheStraits (http://www.archive.org/details/TheStraits)

Before you download it, I must say that he
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on June 04, 2011, 10:17:44 AM
A friend of mine uploaded his recording of the show

http://www.archive.org/details/TheStraits (http://www.archive.org/details/TheStraits)

Before you download it, I must say that he
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jakehadlee on June 04, 2011, 10:54:35 AM
It's a no brainer. Freedom of speech wins every single time.

You got to fight to keep this one alive.

I used to be part of the an extremely popular forum called Strat-Talk for years. Recently I made one comment about the death of Osama (nothing outrageous, just a 'hope the world is a better place blah blah') - the post was quickly deleted. I made a post asking why my post was deleted and used the phrase "what happened to free speech" - I was then banned and my status says "banned forever!" and the reason given was "continually questioning the actions of Moderators".

Well, I was outraged to say the least, but have decided that any forum with those draconian and limited rules isn`t worth the time of day. And therefore is a poorer place. Might as well watch Play School.

Please keep this forum alive with a members right to have an opinion and a point of view.

That's funny - I had exactly the same problem on Strat Talk's sister site TDPRI, for exactly the same phrase.

Someone had a post pulled for talking about relicing (a banned topic at the time) and I very politely said I thought that rather than banning topics they should just make sure no-one is offensive when they talk about them then made a joke, with a smiley, about freedom of speech.

Next thing, I get this incredibly pompous email telling me I'm banned until I read the rules and apologise!! The guy who runs it said: "It's my forum and there's no freedom of speech here" - completely missing the point that a good forum belongs to its members.

I read the rules, there was nothing about asking a question about moderators actions and I was buggered if I was going to apologise.

I used to use the forum a lot but it's incredibly cultish, priggish and cliquey. Shame, as there are some very interesting musicians on there and good stuff to download.

Naturally enough I simply re-registered under a different name (and I use a proxy server so they can't block that either) and now simply read and download stuff - but I've no wish to be part of that community anymore.

Rant over!! ;-)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on June 04, 2011, 12:56:26 PM
As for me I don't feel free to share my opinion here.
I don't feel a respect from many people if my opinion is different from theirs.
I don't feel the freedom of speech on AMIT...
I even feel fear every time I read this topic and to post here...
 
There are people on AMIT who try to manipulate and force other member's opinion.
I'm not surpised btw - it's the same old story everywhere...and there are offenders here to who use the fact that this forum is more free and they feel free to abuse...

I even once deleted my account here because I was offended by some memebers. My opinion then was that we must share the bootlegs for free and not exactly trading them. Somebody asked me to come back  ;D

I think the Moderators here DO a great job running this forum and I'm sure it's not an easy job at all...

The problem is when people abuse the free speech and think it's their own trade mark but not for the others especially the once with different point of view :disbelief :disbelief :disbelief
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on June 04, 2011, 01:28:55 PM
I felt exactly the same that Slavi in some terms. This forum was created because people was "tired" of the rules of MKNEWS forum.

Well, I love the freedom of speech, but in some other terms, I dont see many things that makes this one better, specially in the terms that Slavi mentioned. You can be free to say what you want, but you should respect others opinion, and dont tell "it smells like sh*t" as if doesnt matter to behave at all (and this is just a tiny example).

I
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on June 04, 2011, 01:36:59 PM
I'm not leaving too....
Will try to stop this violation - I think this topic is a shame - and is offensive to MK too not for his old mates only.  :disbelief
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: superval99 on June 04, 2011, 05:02:22 PM
As for me I don't feel free to share my opinion here.
I don't feel a respect from many people if my opinion is different from theirs.
I don't feel the freedom of speech on AMIT...
I even feel fear every time I read this topic and to post here...

But Slavi, I notice that, lately, you have been taking full advantage of freedom of speech on this forum - more than most, in fact!   
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Slavi on June 04, 2011, 06:27:10 PM
As for me I don't feel free to share my opinion here.
I don't feel a respect from many people if my opinion is different from theirs.
I don't feel the freedom of speech on AMIT...
I even feel fear every time I read this topic and to post here...

But Slavi, I notice that, lately, you have been taking full advantage of freedom of speech on this forum - more than most, in fact!   

It's not a big deal Val if you feel bad...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on June 04, 2011, 11:22:46 PM
ok, time to start thinking of simply closing this thread. not banning anything. just stopping the topic.
what do my fellow mods think?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on June 04, 2011, 11:23:27 PM
i just locked it for the time being. as soon as we mods decide it will be back or closed for good.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: shangri la 1 on June 05, 2011, 01:03:57 AM
I'd like to think we could keep this thread alive.

Just remember folks don't make hurtful/personal or disrespectful comments. It's, fine to have different viewpoints - that
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: dustyvalentino on June 05, 2011, 09:59:27 AM
The thread should be re-opened.

Any individual posts that are considered to break forum rules can be deleted if need be.

Like it or not, the issue of The Straits is a topical one amongst DS fans - and this is the only place on the web where it is being discussed. That is important.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on June 05, 2011, 03:08:10 PM
cool.
get your engines running folks :-)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on June 05, 2011, 04:31:19 PM
First of all, I think this topic has been talked to death many pages ago, but what's up with the heated discussion and talk about telling Guy, about forum members are pitting band members and management people against each other, intrigue-making, etc.? Take a chill pill someone.

And the talk about we have to moderate ourselves in case outsiders take a peek inside and read something negative - yikes. I mean, no one here writes anything defamatory. Besides if I want to say that Mark and his music stink or that the Straits stink, anyone with a brain the size of a peanut would understand it's an opinion, not an official statement of sorts. Right? Take a chill pill someone.

Suggestion: Put this thread under Almost Straits (that's actually funny) or under General Discussion.

Just a tiny amount ...
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: koobaa on June 05, 2011, 04:53:39 PM
Suggestion: Put this thread under Almost Straits (that's actually funny) or under General Discussion.
Just a tiny amount ...
I'm with Jackal on this one! Putting this thread under Almost Straits summarizes it very well ;)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on June 05, 2011, 05:31:33 PM
We probably had arrived too far, one attacking, others defending the band.

Its like when some of us tell that all the Sultans of swing that MK plays are full of mistakes and are horrible, and many of you say that no mistakes, all the versions are perfect  :)

Anyway there is a line that must not be crossed.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Pottel on June 05, 2011, 06:04:27 PM
imho we were far from crossing it jbaent....do you see it differently?
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on June 05, 2011, 10:12:44 PM
Either I disagree or agree on that, anyone agree or disagree on that? Just a tiny amount? (And now we can keep it going for another 30-40 pages! Greeeeat!)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on June 05, 2011, 11:36:49 PM
Or we can start to talk about very different things from the main subject as usual in this forum.

Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat

Ps/ By the way, Jackal, AMIT is full of threads, so you dont have to read this one if you dont want, nobody forces you to do that :)
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Jackal on June 06, 2011, 06:55:48 AM
Ps/ By the way, Jackal, AMIT is full of threads, so you dont have to read this one if you dont want, nobody forces you to do that :)

I like discussions, but not when the same opinions are repeated over and over and the discussion goes nowhere. But you're right, nobody forces me to read that.
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: Banjo99uk on June 07, 2011, 04:53:38 AM

This poster in Kings Cross underground station on the escalators made me smile during a night shift
Title: Re: The Straits Charity in RAH?
Post by: jbaent on June 07, 2011, 12:21:30 PM
Nice one  :)

By the way, I