A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: dustyvalentino on May 02, 2024, 12:18:19 PM
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Comments from an interview in the Radio Times:
"I think the Government has totally betrayed the musical community with Brexit. It’s just a nightmare trying to operate from Britain now in the music game. They said they’d take care of the music business, but they didn’t.”
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Honestly thought he was better than this. Obviously I was wrong - he’s just another grumpy Guardian reading remoaner who doesn’t respect democracy. Most people want to move on.
I also noted he’s gone woke and signed the Stephen Fry letter at the Garrick Club to allow women to join. I only hope the leader of the opposition isn’t involved in the decision because he cannot define what a woman is!
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Honestly thought he was better than this. Obviously I was wrong - he’s just another grumpy Guardian reading remoaner who doesn’t respect democracy. Most people want to move on.
I also noted he’s gone woke and signed the Stephen Fry letter at the Garrick Club to allow women to join. I only hope the leader of the opposition isn’t involved in the decision because he cannot define what a woman is!
Yeah let's not protect one of our biggest industries!
The idiots who voted for Brexit were lied to but we all have to suffer the consequences.
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Well, facts are facts, whatever opinion anyone could have. Brexit has been terrible not only for music industry but to many others. Some realised they had been lied, other refuse to realise.
Whatever.
And I think this topic should be closed if arguments are going to scalate.
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Well, facts are facts, whatever opinion anyone could have. Brexit has been terrible not only for music industry but to many others. Some realised they had been lied, other refuse to realise.
Whatever.
And I think this topic should be closed if arguments are going to scalate.
Let’s see how it goes. As long as members remember the rules and don’t insult other members we’ll hopefully be ok.
Hard for me to feel that MK has “gone woke”. His politics have been pretty clear in his lyrics from early on, if you were listening for them.
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Honestly thought he was better than this. Obviously I was wrong - he’s just another grumpy Guardian reading remoaner who doesn’t respect democracy. Most people want to move on.
I also noted he’s gone woke and signed the Stephen Fry letter at the Garrick Club to allow women to join. I only hope the leader of the opposition isn’t involved in the decision because he cannot define what a woman is!
'Members' being a very apt word for the Garrick Club! It's not 1831 still! I'm pretty sure, however Sir Kier can define what a woman is after all he is married to one and has kids too!
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"Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world"
Written 54 years ago and nobody seemed bothered then.
What a state we have gotten ourselves into over tiny matters.
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Honestly thought he was better than this. Obviously I was wrong - he’s just another grumpy Guardian reading remoaner who doesn’t respect democracy. Most people want to move on.
I also noted he’s gone woke and signed the Stephen Fry letter at the Garrick Club to allow women to join. I only hope the leader of the opposition isn’t involved in the decision because he cannot define what a woman is!
He didn't join the woke mob on immigration though. He was quite brutal in the interview with the German magazine and even mentioned Sweden
I do think the song Janine is a little bit about that
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Honestly thought he was better than this. Obviously I was wrong - he’s just another grumpy Guardian reading remoaner who doesn’t respect democracy. Most people want to move on.
I also noted he’s gone woke and signed the Stephen Fry letter at the Garrick Club to allow women to join. I only hope the leader of the opposition isn’t involved in the decision because he cannot define what a woman is!
He didn't join the woke mob on immigration though. He was quite brutal in the interview with the German magazine and even mentioned Sweden
I do think the song Janine is a little bit about that
What did he say?
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Honestly thought he was better than this. Obviously I was wrong - he’s just another grumpy Guardian reading remoaner who doesn’t respect democracy. Most people want to move on.
I also noted he’s gone woke and signed the Stephen Fry letter at the Garrick Club to allow women to join. I only hope the leader of the opposition isn’t involved in the decision because he cannot define what a woman is!
He didn't join the woke mob on immigration though. He was quite brutal in the interview with the German magazine and even mentioned Sweden
I do think the song Janine is a little bit about that
What did he say?
Can't remember the exact words but I think he said that mass immigration was completely changing the character of cities and villages and that natives were starting to feel detached from where they used to belong. Something along those lines... And then he said he had a friend in Sweden who told him he was worried with the consequences of mass immigration in Sweden.
Then the interviewer pushed him with another question about it and he said something like: "It's not up to me to make more judgements about that"
But again, it's better to read the full interview because it's a very nice one. He speaks about topics he hasn't ever spoken about (immortality, etc.)
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Thanks. I'd like to read it but I don't speak German unfortunately!
Would be odd but not unprecedented for someone who is the child of an immigrant to have negative views of immigration. And he's also lived in London for a long time, a city that has constantly evolved through the coming and going of different people.
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Thanks. I'd like to read it but I don't speak German unfortunately!
Would be odd but not unprecedented for someone who is the child of an immigrant to have negative views of immigration. And he's also lived in London for a long time, a city that has constantly evolved through the coming and going of different people.
His father was Hungarian, a country based on Western culture. Obviously, most of the complaints about mass immigration are about non-Western immigration. For example, in my country nobody has issues with immigration from Ukraine, Moldova or Bulgaria.
Anyway, you can read the interview with the help of Google Translate. Just translate the picture and you won't need German, although it helps you to understand the flow of the conversation, of course.
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Got a link?
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Honestly thought he was better than this. Obviously I was wrong - he’s just another grumpy Guardian reading remoaner who doesn’t respect democracy. Most people want to move on.
I also noted he’s gone woke and signed the Stephen Fry letter at the Garrick Club to allow women to join. I only hope the leader of the opposition isn’t involved in the decision because he cannot define what a woman is!
He didn't join the woke mob on immigration though. He was quite brutal in the interview with the German magazine and even mentioned Sweden
I do think the song Janine is a little bit about that
What did he say?
Can't remember the exact words but I think he said that mass immigration was completely changing the character of cities and villages and that natives were starting to feel detached from where they used to belong. Something along those lines... And then he said he had a friend in Sweden who told him he was worried with the consequences of mass immigration in Sweden.
Then the interviewer pushed him with another question about it and he said something like: "It's not up to me to make more judgements about that"
But again, it's better to read the full interview because it's a very nice one. He speaks about topics he hasn't ever spoken about (immortality, etc.)
Is there an English version of this interview?
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Got a link?
Unfortunately not. I read it when fellow member Stratmad published the photos of the interview, just before they got taken down by the mods. I'm sure he still has it, so try to contact him
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It's still on AMIT but Google translate isn't working on it. Ah well.
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Honestly thought he was better than this. Obviously I was wrong - he’s just another grumpy Guardian reading remoaner who doesn’t respect democracy. Most people want to move on.
I also noted he’s gone woke and signed the Stephen Fry letter at the Garrick Club to allow women to join. I only hope the leader of the opposition isn’t involved in the decision because he cannot define what a woman is!
He didn't join the woke mob on immigration though. He was quite brutal in the interview with the German magazine and even mentioned Sweden
I do think the song Janine is a little bit about that
What did he say?
Can't remember the exact words but I think he said that mass immigration was completely changing the character of cities and villages and that natives were starting to feel detached from where they used to belong. Something along those lines... And then he said he had a friend in Sweden who told him he was worried with the consequences of mass immigration in Sweden.
Then the interviewer pushed him with another question about it and he said something like: "It's not up to me to make more judgements about that"
But again, it's better to read the full interview because it's a very nice one. He speaks about topics he hasn't ever spoken about (immortality, etc.)
Is there an English version of this interview?
No, it's in German. But use google translate or other translation site and you can read it.
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I don't have a source :( Is this the same interview in which Marek says that he doesn't believe in the afterlife?
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Google Lens work well to translate it, that's what I used to translate that jpg images of German magazines.
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Honestly thought he was better than this. Obviously I was wrong - he’s just another grumpy Guardian reading remoaner who doesn’t respect democracy. Most people want to move on.
I also noted he’s gone woke and signed the Stephen Fry letter at the Garrick Club to allow women to join. I only hope the leader of the opposition isn’t involved in the decision because he cannot define what a woman is!
He didn't join the woke mob on immigration though. He was quite brutal in the interview with the German magazine and even mentioned Sweden
I do think the song Janine is a little bit about that
OK, I read using Google translate. He didn't join the "woke mob" but he didn't come down on either side. Basically to me he was saying that people should try to see both sides.
Anyway, I don't think Brexit really has anything to do with immigration, if it did then there wouldn't have been four times the number of legal migrants to the UK in 2022 than there were in 2019.
He was quite brutal about striking rail workers though!
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https://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=8672.msg178582#msg178582
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That's what I was thinking, thank you Dusty. Do I remember correctly that there were doubts on the forum whether Mark answered these questions? :)
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That's what I was thinking, thank you Dusty. Do I remember correctly that there were doubts on the forum whether Mark answered these questions? :)
In that thread LE expressed some doubts but I think they were more around the translation.
Certainly the way I did it (English, to German, to English again) you could imagine there could be something lost in the translation. But even doing it that way he doesn't really say anything about his own views on immigration.
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David Knopfler posted this on Facebook:
Good to see my brother Mark shares my wholly negative opinion about Brexit. Speaking to the Radio Times specifically about one aspect… the music industry, he said … “I think the Government has totally betrayed the musical community with Brexit. It’s just a nightmare trying to operate from Britain now in the music game. They said they’d take care of the music business, but they didn’t.” Good for him because at his level of touring it’s pretty easy to not see how badly it affects small and medium sized artists to say nothing of crew and ancillary folk.
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Ok. Duet album next year. ;D
LE
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Got a link?
Unfortunately not. I read it when fellow member Stratmad published the photos of the interview, just before they got taken down by the mods. I'm sure he still has it, so try to contact him
Yes, I have it, but didn't scan it at the time (for copyright reasons). It was only the cover and my summary.
I remember that there was an unusual lot of politics in that interview, in the sense that they talked about a lot of political topics. But in fact, MK painstakingly avoided stating his own political views throughout the interview! He would always quote what someone else might think, what someone might feel or be afraid of, what some people might believe etc. The only clear message was that he objects to extremism of any sort and sees it as the root of many negative developments in the past and now.
The other thing he observed (!) was that coping with change seems to be difficult for many people, which is why they turn to parties or groups that offer simple solutions.
This means (my interpretation!) two things:
a) that MK is a) more than aware of what racism and xenophobia can lead to - they were mainly talking about Nazi Germany, but the parallel to other countries of the present was obvious.
b) He is more open to change than most people and ready to adapt to new things. I mean, his entire biography is proof of that! Why not go with the flow and accept women at Garrick's, then? :-)
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Comments from an interview in the Radio Times:
"I think the Government has totally betrayed the musical community with Brexit. It’s just a nightmare trying to operate from Britain now in the music game. They said they’d take care of the music business, but they didn’t.”
Dusty, is that interview still available?
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Regarding immigration, I recall an interview or two that revealed some bitterness toward the woman who knocked him off his bike.
Keeping in mind she was an illegal immigrant who didn't have a valid license, and the impact the accident had on his performing career, it's likely this might influence his views on immigration.
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Got a link?
Unfortunately not. I read it when fellow member Stratmad published the photos of the interview, just before they got taken down by the mods. I'm sure he still has it, so try to contact him
Yes, I have it, but didn't scan it at the time (for copyright reasons). It was only the cover and my summary.
I remember that there was an unusual lot of politics in that interview, in the sense that they talked about a lot of political topics. But in fact, MK painstakingly avoided stating his own political views throughout the interview! He would always quote what someone else might think, what someone might feel or be afraid of, what some people might believe etc. The only clear message was that he objects to extremism of any sort and sees it as the root of many negative developments in the past and now.
The other thing he observed (!) was that coping with change seems to be difficult for many people, which is why they turn to parties or groups that offer simple solutions.
This means (my interpretation!) two things:
a) that MK is a) more than aware of what racism and xenophobia can lead to - they were mainly talking about Nazi Germany, but the parallel to other countries of the present was obvious.
b) He is more open to change than most people and ready to adapt to new things. I mean, his entire biography is proof of that! Why not go with the flow and accept women at Garrick's, then? :-)
Exactly, that‘s how I understood the interview too.
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Regarding immigration, I recall an interview or two that revealed some bitterness toward the woman who knocked him off his bike.
Keeping in mind she was an illegal immigrant who didn't have a valid license, and the impact the accident had on his performing career, it's likely this might influence his views on immigration.
I remember that, too. But maybe the hard feelings were more about the accident and the fact that she didn't apologise ("She could've asked how I was") than the fact that she was an immigrant. In fact, he said that he even said he felt a bit sorry for her!
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Got a link?
Unfortunately not. I read it when fellow member Stratmad published the photos of the interview, just before they got taken down by the mods. I'm sure he still has it, so try to contact him
Yes, I have it, but didn't scan it at the time (for copyright reasons). It was only the cover and my summary.
But in fact, MK painstakingly avoided stating his own political views throughout the interview! He would always quote what someone else might think, what someone might feel or be afraid of, what some people might believe etc.
Excuse my directness, but have you ever read any interview he did? I mean, he's been doing that since he became famous!
Whenever he gets asked something about politics or religion he gives his own opinion, but never directly. He always makes it look as if it's other people saying what he thinks, in a somewhat vague way. But he always let's out enough for people to understand. So, when he says "ah, some people think it's not good", I know that's his personal opinion. It's just a clever communication tactic to avoid any backlash from the public.
Read all his interviews, especially the ones from 1980-1985, or watch the Mark Lawson interview, and you'll see what I mean.
Edit: Watch also the Hardtalk 2018 interview, that's a brilliant example of Mark's communication strategy
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Got a link?
Unfortunately not. I read it when fellow member Stratmad published the photos of the interview, just before they got taken down by the mods. I'm sure he still has it, so try to contact him
Why not go with the flow and accept women at Garrick's, then? :-)
Because it's a gentlemen's club?
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Yes, ok, but it's a club for artists and creative people, writers, musicians and the lot, who wanted to be different from the standard gentlemen's clubs from the outset (probably because they wouldn't be admitted to the "real" posh clubs in the first place? ;-))
From that point of view it might make sense to admit women, too, imho.
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Got a link?
Unfortunately not. I read it when fellow member Stratmad published the photos of the interview, just before they got taken down by the mods. I'm sure he still has it, so try to contact him
Yes, I have it, but didn't scan it at the time (for copyright reasons). It was only the cover and my summary.
But in fact, MK painstakingly avoided stating his own political views throughout the interview! He would always quote what someone else might think, what someone might feel or be afraid of, what some people might believe etc.
Excuse my directness, but have you ever read any interview he did? I mean, he's been doing that since he became famous!
Whenever he gets asked something about politics or religion he gives his own opinion, but never directly. He always makes it look as if it's other people saying what he thinks, in a somewhat vague way. But he always let's out enough for people to understand. So, when he says "ah, some people think it's not good", I know that's his personal opinion. It's just a clever communication tactic to avoid any backlash from the public.
Read all his interviews, especially the ones from 1980-1985, or watch the Mark Lawson interview, and you'll see what I mean.
Edit: Watch also the Hardtalk
2018 interview, that's a brilliant example of Mark's communication strategy
People will see what they want to see I guess. Like all the Americans pumping their fists to Born in the USA.
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Got a link?
Unfortunately not. I read it when fellow member Stratmad published the photos of the interview, just before they got taken down by the mods. I'm sure he still has it, so try to contact him
Yes, I have it, but didn't scan it at the time (for copyright reasons). It was only the cover and my summary.
But in fact, MK painstakingly avoided stating his own political views throughout the interview! He would always quote what someone else might think, what someone might feel or be afraid of, what some people might believe etc.
Excuse my directness, but have you ever read any interview he did? I mean, he's been doing that since he became famous!
Whenever he gets asked something about politics or religion he gives his own opinion, but never directly. He always makes it look as if it's other people saying what he thinks, in a somewhat vague way. But he always let's out enough for people to understand. So, when he says "ah, some people think it's not good", I know that's his personal opinion. It's just a clever communication tactic to avoid any backlash from the public.
Read all his interviews, especially the ones from 1980-1985, or watch the Mark Lawson interview, and you'll see what I mean.
Edit: Watch also the Hardtalk
2018 interview, that's a brilliant example of Mark's communication strategy
People will see what they want to see I guess. Like all the Americans pumping their fists to Born in the USA.
Yes, that's precisely my point.
Of course he would rarely make a true, first-person political statement on any controversial topic. There have been a few very clear political messages, but those were hardly controversial statements or they came a long while afterwards (e.g. on Margaret Thatcher, Apartheid, the war in Ukraine).
Most artists with a world-wide audience simply cannot afford to voice their private political views, because that might mean losing part of their audience. So I agree, of course most artists will try and avoid backlash from the public, because that's the hand that is feeding them.
So it's up to us to read between the lines, as you say.
But in that particular interview, that isn't really possible either! His usual strategy of "you may say that, I can't possibly comment" shows up in a few places, but the rest of it is rather more philosophical than political.
They talk about a few extreme positions (e.g. railworkers on strike, some alleged connection between immigration and crime), but I can't see a coherent picture even in the examples that he uses. And it's very clear that he doesn't share those extreme views.
There is one short sequence when they are talking about people who complain about not getting the same cancer treatment as the King, not getting a dentist's appointment etc, and he says: "How long will it take until people will stop blaming all sorts of things for their own situation?!"
The other one is about the railworkers, where he says that a young doctor can't get to the hospital because of the strike, and he spent six years at university to study medicine, while those railworkers only learned to say "Mind the gap!" and are paid quite good money for that.
That's about as political as it gets in that interview.
The only thing he does make clear is that the ideas of the far left and those of the far right are becoming more and more similar, and that you always have to see both sides of any given problem, because there are no simple answers.
Another thing he does state clearly is that he is worried about our western democracies - that's what the interviewer asks him, and he says: "Yes."
I don't know what to think. Either it's due to the fact that these days it is really difficult to say what is left and what is right, or maybe, when you get to a certain age, you get a more balanced perspective.
Edit: Sorry about the long post... and thank you, Dusty, for the scans!!! :thumbsup
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Yeah, it’s interesting. The bit about someone only learning to say “mind the gap” just doesn’t sound like MK at all. All through his career he has empathised with people from all walks of life in his songs and as someone else pointed out recently, he doesn’t punch down. So this seems very out of character for him.
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How come the mag article has been posted here while you have banned others?
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In a way, it does. But on the other hand, he's always been a believer in hard work as key to success (which has always struck me as being a very American way of thinking, btw.). So maybe there is a limit to his empathy when people demand something they haven't worked hard for, or when they use methods that cause problems for other people, in this case, the doctor and his patients.
Or maybe he was just peeved because his train was late... which gave him time to write another song ("Before my train comes") :lol
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How come the mag article has been posted here while you have banned others?
This is a weekly TV guide with stock photos and a handful of quotes.
Guitarist was a cover story and full interview with a dedicated photo shoot into which a great deal of effort and expense were clearly applied.
To me they are not even remotely comparable but if you prefer we can implement a blanket ban on posting magazine articles.
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How come the mag article has been posted here while you have banned others?
This is a weekly TV guide with stock photos and a handful of quotes.
Guitarist was a cover story and full interview with a dedicated photo shoot into which a great deal of effort and expense were clearly applied.
To me they are not even remotely comparable but if you prefer we can implement a blanket ban on posting magazine articles.
They are both in mags which you have to pay for so in reality there is no difference.
I didn't ask for any kind of ban but was curious why some articles were allowed and others not.
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How come the mag article has been posted here while you have banned others?
This is a weekly TV guide with stock photos and a handful of quotes.
Guitarist was a cover story and full interview with a dedicated photo shoot into which a great deal of effort and expense were clearly applied.
To me they are not even remotely comparable but if you prefer we can implement a blanket ban on posting magazine articles.
They are both in mags which you have to pay for so in reality there is no difference.
I didn't ask for any kind of ban but was curious why some articles were allowed and others not.
Look.
This forum isn’t run by professionals.
It’s run by a small group of fans.
It was established by a small group of fans.
It is paid for by a small group of fans.
As we are not professionals we have to use our non-professional judgement. Sometimes we get it right, sometimes we get it wrong.
At the end of the day it’s me that will have to stand up in court and state my defence if lawyers get involved in this, not you. And in this case I decided I could reasonably argue that no MK fan would have bought the Radio Times just for this tiny feature. I could not have made the same case for the Guitarist magazine for example, or Uncut.
So you can agree or disagree with the decisions I and the others mods make, but at the end of the day, give us a fucking break eh mate? We’re in deep shit financially if lawyers get involved, not you.
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Dusty, you and the other mods are doing a great job.
Without your work, this whole forum wouldn't be possible, so thank you very much for all that!
Personally, I don't mind paying a few pounds for a quality magazine, if it is still available.
With the Radio Times, that doesn't seem to be the case, though, as they don't sell individual back issues, like GuitarPlayer or other quality mags.
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Dusty, you and the other mods are doing a great job.
Without your work, this whole forum wouldn't be possible, so thank you very much for all that!
Personally, I don't mind paying a few pounds for a quality magazine, if it is still available.
With the Radio Times, that doesn't seem to be the case, though, as they don't sell individual back issues, like GuitarPlayer or other quality mags.
Thanks. We don’t do this for thanks but it’s appreciated anyway. We do it because we are fans the same as everyone else, and we are also human, and as such we (and really, I) make mistakes and inconsistencies the same as every other human. But hopefully people can understand that when this happens we (again, I) are doing our best, flaws and all.
I took wakeywakey’s comments above the wrong way, I have apologised via PM and I do so again here publicly.
Now, let’s get back to MK. :)
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News from from the Garrick Club:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/bitterly-divided-garrick-club-prepares-to-vote-on-female-membership-again/ar-AA1o7yfo?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=7237896b01974202af5adaf521123ef8&ei=20 (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/bitterly-divided-garrick-club-prepares-to-vote-on-female-membership-again/ar-AA1o7yfo?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=7237896b01974202af5adaf521123ef8&ei=20)
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News from from the Garrick Club:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/bitterly-divided-garrick-club-prepares-to-vote-on-female-membership-again/ar-AA1o7yfo?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=7237896b01974202af5adaf521123ef8&ei=20 (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/bitterly-divided-garrick-club-prepares-to-vote-on-female-membership-again/ar-AA1o7yfo?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=7237896b01974202af5adaf521123ef8&ei=20)
They must have known the rules when they joined and while they used the facilities - what a bunch of virtue signalling hypocrites. By their measure, groups like the WI will have to let men in and I don't think that's what women want. By the sound of things it would surely be best for the club if they were booted out and they could all be happy and back to normality again.
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You mention the WI which like you say is Women only unlike the Mothers Union which is open to all it appears...
maybe its time for change all round and to make things inclusive and that is what Mssrs Fry and Knopfler want to do with the Garrick Club.
Maybe the Garrick Club can take a leaf out of Marylebone Cricket Club which from 1787 until 1998 was a solely male orientated club. In 1998 Women were allowed as members and by all accounts the MCC is flourishing!
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Whatever the motivation was for joining, it seems like a whole bunch of creative people (including MK, Stephen Fry and Sting), are now threatening to quit:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/30/garrick-club-women-female-members-stephen-fry-sting (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/30/garrick-club-women-female-members-stephen-fry-sting).
They have penned an open letter, explaining their cause:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/22/equality-groups-urge-cultural-elite-to-give-up-garrick-club-membership (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/22/equality-groups-urge-cultural-elite-to-give-up-garrick-club-membership)
This has obviously turned into a highly political matter, and it's no longer only about the Garrick, but a whole system. I'm amazed to see MK not just making very clear statements, but actually starting a "revolution". Keep surprising us, Mark! :)
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I don't follow the Garrick Club controversy closely and I find hard to opinion about someone I don't personaly know.
Of course knowing that Mark is part of this club is questionning.
Just I have difficulties to think that Mark would have actively supported that rule before the scandal arised. Very personal opinion.
Some call him an hypocrite but was that question just out of his scope ?
Well anybody can say ?