A Mark In Time
Previous Albums => Privateering (2012) => Topic started by: another brother on October 13, 2012, 01:31:23 PM
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some time went into the land after the release.
did i tell you, that "privateering" is a masterpiece ?
listening every day.
a rare piece in a time full of plastic chart music
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After a month, I didnt listen to it from about two weeks...
Its a good record, but I dont consider it as the best, actually is my 4th favourite after Get Lucky, The Ragpickers Dream and All the Roadrunning.
When it cames out it was in third position, but it lost one position in the latest weeks.
Not only I didnt listen to it in the last two weeks but also I dont feel like playing it in the next few days... Funnily, today I played "Kill to get crimson" and I loved it as much as when it came out.
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i prefer "Privateering" -
Haul away, Privateering, Go Love, Dream of, Seattle, Radio City ... Follow The Ribbon ...
Repeat Button pushed and fixed.
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i prefer "Privateering" -
Haul away, Privateering, Go Love, Dream of, Seattle, Radfio City ... Follow The Ribbon ...
Repeat Button pushed and fixed.
It
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i prefer "Privateering" -
Haul away, Privateering, Go Love, Dream of, Seattle, Radfio City ... Follow The Ribbon ...
Repeat Button pushed and fixed.
It
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After a month, I didnt listen to it from about two weeks...
Its a good record, but I dont consider it as the best, actually is my 4th favourite after Get Lucky, The Ragpickers Dream and All the Roadrunning.
When it cames out it was in third position, but it lost one position in the latest weeks.
Not only I didnt listen to it in the last two weeks but also I dont feel like playing it in the next few days... Funnily, today I played "Kill to get crimson" and I loved it as much as when it came out.
+1 except I would say STP is my preference for top spot in place of AtRR.
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I didn't listen to it the last three weeks or so, only skipping to some single songs that I wish to hear, most of the time the same ones, like I Used To Could, Go, Love, Miss You Blues or Don't Forget Your Hat and Occupation Blues. Sometimes also Redbud Tree. The rest is just not working as an album, sorry to say. I wondered if anyone would come up with a thread like this and I had plans to do so myself, so thanks! ;D
I was looking very much forward to Haul Away and Privateering as I loved the live versions but think that both album versions are weaker than what we heard last year, so they are also skipped at the moment. So there are around 5, 6 songs that I return to regularly, not more.
What strikes me most that this album is the one with the least interesting lyrics ever. There is not even a single song that I wish to dug into deeper... I used to do so with every single MK release so far, but all those blues songs and all the rest appear to me that they just rhyme, not more. I mean "DMC cannonball going like train, all down the 40 and the driving rain..." The only lyrics I'd like to get worked out more (by AMITers) are Follow The Ribbon, I would love to know what's it about, and who or what was the inspiration from Miss You Blues... Of course I think Dream of The Drowned Submariner is a masterpiece, but the lyrics say nothing to me. Why on earth should someone write a song about one single seaman that dies in a submarine, it is not... allegorial for nothing, that soldier in the field of Brothers In Arms was... as an example it is a too exotic setting...
(The Scaffolder's Wife for example was perfectly well chosen as an archetype for what was the message of the song, even the "frozen starving beggar band" in that other song... but someone lying in a submarine and dreaming of his daughter is too isolated, too etraordinary or too artistic for me. Or to arty?) Some appear as sketches, not more. Not enough to be a song in my opinion. (Eat, work, eat, work and sleep, the rest of the lyrics are crap, apart from the dog... ;) )
For me that's new, because the lyrics always where the most integral part of the package, more important sometimes than which guitar or which guitar sound was exactly used... :o
Just remember all those stories around Border Reiver, or So Far From The Clyde, how long it took us to recognize the Indian ship thing, or the story with his uncle on Piper, or the story with the Car that was the one.... On Privateering, only the relation to Sonny Liston comes to mind (again). Kingdom of Gold leaves me cold totally, the lyrics... most of the stuff is really ... insignificant, or petty. Sounds hard - well, I love most of the music, and the way MK SINGS this petty stuff is still great.... his voice and phrasing and stuff... but hmmmm... maybe you just cannot have it all. I can live with it perfectly well, I am into a classic piano recording of Franz Schubert music at the moment, played by Olga Scheps, a young Russian pianist which I will see live in Hamburg at the end of October... her playing gives me goosebumps every single time, never thought that you can recognize so much personality in just playing piano, but I am relatively new to this subject, so Dannyjunior for example will be able to elaborate a little more on this subject.. so Mark has left the building for the moment anyhow... :wave
but he will return I am sure...
Sorry long post. I know you can also name other songs from the album and proove the opposite of my point of view, but it is just my opinion. No way I wish to convince anyone, just utter!
Looking forward Guitar Stories very much!
LE
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everybody has a different approach.
i really like the lyrics here, on songs like "seattle" or "submariner" - maybe they are bit more "simple" - but for me this is music that creates images in my head.
"haul away" - it
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Love Expresso:-
Schubert's piano music allows for a huge variety of interpretation. The mature stuff is characterised by an ambiguity of meaning and feeling that reminds me a bit of....MK's songs! (Stretching a point a bit.) Even when it sounds cheerful, there is an undertow of melancholy. Enjoy listening to it, though the late sonatas last even longer (relatively) than Telegraph Road. They're worth it, though.
As for Privateering, after five weeks of pretty solid listening, I'd rate it pretty high in the solo MK canon, though perhaps just below StP. I find there are songs that work for me some days but not others, so I'd find it hard to play the 'pick the best 12 for a single album' game. Go Love and Bluebird always work for me, so does the title track. The faster blues numbers I can sometimes take or leave, but then I enjoy the seasoning added by the harp and some rather good piano. I do kind of agree with those who feel it doesn't altogether hang together as a coherent album - maybe that's harder to achieve with twenty songs. But the compensation is that twenty songs allows for plenty that you like amongst a few that you don't.
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I should probably add Blood and Water to my top list.
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LE I am sorry to hear that you don
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Hey Goon525, thanks for your informative words about Schubert, very appreciated! I am just about to discover him, but had exactly the same feeling this morning when I listened to one of the tracks that melody wise there is some reflection in Mark's music (as in all good contempary music as well...)
This young Mrs. Scheps also made me disvover that famous piece Sonata Reminiscenza from Medtner, which is also great and touched me from the first minute... totally off-topic of course, sorry... )
I am very happy though to have so much new material (with the 4 bonus songs - 24 new songs!!) to choose from, and sometimes this or that song fits more to my daily mood. So I still would recommend Privateering to anyone who doesn't know a lot about MK's music. But it was MK himself who put the lever THAT high with his complete ouevre! ;)
LE
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I was thinking about this today. Now I've lived with it, I think it's a great single album if you take out all the generic blues/folk pastiches like Don't Forget Your House (or is it You Can't Beat The Hat) and Kingdom of Holes (or is it Heartful of Gold). Hot or What stays because it swings well.
So, I've left just 13 tracks on my iPhone and it works well that way. Go Love is my favourite track by far, it takes me back to the Love Over Gold sound for some reason. Radio City Serenade is beautiful. River of Grog and Occupation Blues are left on there and they weren't even on the original album.
One final point, I think the track ordering is a bit off on the original release. Redbud Tree is too low key for an opener and Haul Away is too sleepy for a second track just when you're looking for a bit of momentum. I think starting with Corned Beef City then Privateering would have worked better.
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I've had the three bonus songs in my car for the short trips to work, for weeks now. And still like the whole album (and the rehearsal tracks too) I even started to like Seattle. If only the bloody packaging would have been a bit more interesting (most boring booklet EVER) it would've been my absolute favorite album
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I tried: Occupation Blues would have been a great opener, not only because of the nice little intro. Put it before Redbud Tree, was a nice running order...
Really a great song and I can't understand AT ALL why it is not on the album - has not the usual "bonus" semi quality, it is really a gem.
LE
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Still listening (and playing guitar) to the whole album! and both extra discs too!!
Just can't stop listening to this wonderful album. I have done a single disc version for our car ommiting:
'Don't forget your hat' 'Hot or what' & 'Radio city Serenade' as not 100 % fussed for them.
The Album comes a very close second to 'Get Lucky' for me......
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn8_n8aak6s
here it is. bad sound from the device, but wow, what a live version of "yon two crows", as expected with a great solo at the end.
great drums, great guitar. welcome back dire straits hahahahaha
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first of all i dislike all the blues songs,some people will love them,its all down to personal preferance.
the rest of the album now,yon two crows and privateering i think are great songs,haul away and seattle are good,as for the rest of the songs i feel they are really weak.
it will never stop me buying all future albums,but this time round the album just doesnt do it for me.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn8_n8aak6s
here it is. bad sound from the device, but wow, what a live version of "yon two crows", as expected with a great solo at the end.
great drums, great guitar. welcome back dire straits hahahahaha
I can't understand why he didn't record the song with a great end solo like this one. :'(
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn8_n8aak6s
here it is. bad sound from the device, but wow, what a live version of "yon two crows", as expected with a great solo at the end.
great drums, great guitar. welcome back dire straits hahahahaha
I can't understand why he didn't record the song with a great end solo like this one. :'(
...because he would never be able to live up to it live? I agree though; on the album this would be the guitar it is missing.
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Yes, the sound is, er, dire, but you can hear enough to know that he CAN still pull off a great guitar solo. It's not the first time that an album track has missed the guitar solo at the end that it really needs. Ah, whatever happened to Silvertown Blues, perhaps the best song of the solo era he won't play live.
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i think, MK loves to put 2 versions of a song into the world. and sometimes the album version feels like a teaser for that coming live.
live, he "must" play guitar, he cant
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i think, MK loves to put 2 versions of a song into the world. and sometimes the album version feels like a teaser for that coming live.
live, he "must" play guitar, he cant
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I'm loving the album still. I'm listening to it right now actually, and play it in the car often. I think it's his best solo album, and that's saying something considering it's his 7th. Get Lucky was good too; it needed to be after Kill to Get Crimson, which I never got into. Wasn't overly impressed with Shangri-La either, so these last two albums reinstalled my faith... Looking forward to the Guitar Stories on Sky Arts on Tuesday.
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I'm loving the album still. I'm listening to it right now actually, and play it in the car often. I think it's his best solo album, and that's saying something considering it's his 7th. Get Lucky was good too; it needed to be after Kill to Get Crimson, which I never got into. Wasn't overly impressed with Shangri-La either, so these last two albums reinstalled my faith... Looking forward to the Guitar Stories on Sky Arts on Tuesday.
may wanna change <your nick then :-)
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Quote Jbaent: "But when rehearsing live, they start from a recorded song, and the goal is how to translate that song to the stage, in front of a lot of people,and whats possible to add here and there to make the songs suit the stage. Here is when the songs get a new life."
That is well said Jbaent! I didn't like for example Marbletown; Speedway at Nazareth and Telegraph Road, but when I heard those songs during the last concerts I was blown away! They sounded wonderful the way they were played live! :clap
Btw Get Lucky I hope you or other UK fans are able to record Guitar stories and upload them at YouTube! ;D
Fieneke
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Fieneke
You didn't like Telegraph Road? I'm sure you were a member of the forum with that name many years ago! But it's such an archetypal DS song, marvellous control over tempo and dynamics, and a great MK guitar solo. Admittedly (like almost everyone else here) I'd rather he alternated playing it with Tunnel of Love. But you can't have everything!
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Hi,
I still listen to the new album every day. I think it's a wonderful album, maybe the third best after GH and STP. STP is still the best solo album made by Mark. Now there is ten songs that I hear all the time, and ten songs that I rarely listen to. My little collection is here.
Disc 1 :
Redbud Tree
Haul Away
Privateering
Corned Beef City
Go,Love
Yon Two Crows
Disc 2 :
Blue Bird
Dream Of The Drowned Submariner
Blood And Water
Today Is Okay
I really like the bonus tracks. Occupation Blues and Follow The Ribbon should have been on the album :o
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I really like the bonus tracks. Occupation Blues and Follow The Ribbon should have been on the album :o
And Your Perfect Song!
It's small, sweat, lovely and great
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Like vine. Even better as time pass :thumbsup
Maybe three skippers from time to time Don't Forget Your Hat, Miss Your Blues, After The Beanstalk and Grog from bonuses. But for the most cases, i just like to play whole album. With many favorites. The "problem" i got with Privateering (song) and Red Bud Tree, is that full length pre-release and i did "over listen those" :smack so now i have trouble to put them in favorites even thou songs are great :) Luckily for Seattle, it was released short enough to be over listen ;)
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Privateering is such a versatile album, I can listen to the whole album and then back to square, erm, track 1. The same thing applies to the particular sound and feel of the different tracks. And it never gets boring. Somehow I like "Today Is Okay" very much because it is a real fun song: "more steak....and potatoes..." :clap
Sometimes I find myself skipping "Corned Beef City" and "After The Beanstalk".
To sum it up "Privateering" is in my view more a collection of different songs and stylistic approaches than a concept album, I presume MK wanted to make a Blues record, but the record company didn't want him to do this, so he mixed it up a little bit. And they didn't notice..... :smack
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Personally after listening to the album for about 500 times 8) I can honestly say its by far an amazing album. All subjective but I think it's up there with STP and GL (those being in my top spots) Songs like Yon Two Crows, Go Love, Drowned Submariner are incredible and the blues songs really are that, BLUES. Blues done very very well. MK could play two tea spoons and make me happy.
Superb album IMO.
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Privateering is such a versatile album, I can listen to the whole album and then back to square, erm, track 1. The same thing applies to the particular sound and feel of the different tracks. And it never gets boring. Somehow I like "Today Is Okay" very much because it is a real fun song: "more steak....and potatoes..." :clap
Sometimes I find myself skipping "Corned Beef City" and "After The Beanstalk".
To sum it up "Privateering" is in my view more a collection of different songs and stylistic approaches than a concept album, I presume MK wanted to make a Blues record, but the record company didn't want him to do this, so he mixed it up a little bit. And they didn't notice..... :smack
100% agree.... it all depends on what mood you are in sometimes... It's amazing how someone can say "I really don't like............." when I can adore that song.
Knopfler writes a song for everyone :)
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Knopfler writes a song for everyone :)
;D
That's true.
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After all this time, my favourites on the album are pretty much the same from the very first listenings.
It's funny, but some days ago someone have told about how strong Privaterring would be being a single album. We always dream of more and mora MK music, but sometimes I tend to agree on that statement. Problem is, everyone would have their own opinion on what would be the songs in the single CD.
I have my favs, as I said, and I think my own comprised album would work better in a different order list. As it follows:
Yon Two Crows
Corned Beef City
Dream of the Drowned Submariner
Redbud Tree
Go, Love
Miss You Blues
Privateering
I Used to Could
Your perfect song
After the Bean Stalk
Got to Have Something
Radio City Serenade
Regarding the lyrics, some are weaker than his normal job, indeed. But there are a lot of highlights, very strong lyrics, very imaginative stories. Privateering, Yon Two Crows, Kingdom of Gold (just the lyrics, though), Radio City Serenade, Dream of the Drowned Submariner atre, in my opinion, highly elaborated.
These songs have the golden touch MK always had over me in the past, which is putting me in the place of the character.
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After all this time, my favourites on the album are pretty much the same from the very first listenings.
It's funny, but some days ago someone have told about how strong Privaterring would be being a single album. We always dream of more and mora MK music, but sometimes I tend to agree on that statement. Problem is, everyone would have their own opinion on what would be the songs in the single CD.
I have my favs, as I said, and I think my own comprised album would work better in a different order list. As it follows:
Yon Two Crows
Corned Beef City
Dream of the Drowned Submariner
Redbud Tree
Go, Love
Miss You Blues
Privateering
I Used to Could
Your perfect song
After the Bean Stalk
Got to Have Something
Radio City Serenade
Regarding the lyrics, some are weaker than his normal job, indeed. But there are a lot of highlights, very strong lyrics, very imaginative stories. Privateering, Yon Two Crows, Kingdom of Gold (just the lyrics, though), Radio City Serenade, Dream of the Drowned Submariner atre, in my opinion, highly elaborated.
These songs have the golden touch MK always had over me in the past, which is putting me in the place of the character.
Yes, I agree to the fact that some lyrics might be weaker or more "simple" than his usual work. Maybe Dream of.. is such an example..but then again, what a wonderfully composed melody! Dream of takes me away each time..like into a dream, so many details and the drifting feeling that song gives..just awesome!
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Fieneke
You didn't like Telegraph Road? I'm sure you were a member of the forum with that name many years ago! But it's such an archetypal DS song, marvellous control over tempo and dynamics, and a great MK guitar solo. Admittedly (like almost everyone else here) I'd rather he alternated playing it with Tunnel of Love. But you can't have everything!
Goon525 I can't remember that I have been an active member of Telegraph Road. Perhaps I have been reading there now and then, but in 2006 after I discovered MK, I became a member of MKnews and since AMIT started I have been here! ;D
Telegraph Road wasn't special to me and neither the other 2. I listened to them now and then and the lyrics of TR are great but at the concerts I realized what a power those songs had by the way Mark and the guys played it live! It really was amazing and to be honest it is hard to imagine that they weren't my favourite songs before! :hmm
Quote Fordie: Somehow I like "Today Is Okay" very much because it is a real fun song: "more steak....and potatoes..." :clap
I have the same with the sentence: "I'm gonna knock that man clean out.....He's going down, no doubt! ;D
Fieneke
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After all this time, my favourites on the album are pretty much the same from the very first listenings.
It's funny, but some days ago someone have told about how strong Privaterring would be being a single album. We always dream of more and mora MK music, but sometimes I tend to agree on that statement. Problem is, everyone would have their own opinion on what would be the songs in the single CD.
I have my favs, as I said, and I think my own comprised album would work better in a different order list. As it follows:
Yon Two Crows
Corned Beef City
Dream of the Drowned Submariner
Redbud Tree
Go, Love
Miss You Blues
Privateering
I Used to Could
Your perfect song
After the Bean Stalk
Got to Have Something
Radio City Serenade
Regarding the lyrics, some are weaker than his normal job, indeed. But there are a lot of highlights, very strong lyrics, very imaginative stories. Privateering, Yon Two Crows, Kingdom of Gold (just the lyrics, though), Radio City Serenade, Dream of the Drowned Submariner atre, in my opinion, highly elaborated.
These songs have the golden touch MK always had over me in the past, which is putting me in the place of the character.
Yes, I agree to the fact that some lyrics might be weaker or more "simple" than his usual work. Maybe Dream of.. is such an example..but then again, what a wonderfully composed melody! Dream of takes me away each time..like into a dream, so many details and the drifting feeling that song gives..just awesome!
Well, to me, actually, Dream... is one of the good lyrics. It makes me try to enter the head of the poor submariner. What would I be thinking if it was me?, is what I always wonder.
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Quote from: goon525 on October 14, 2012, 03:46:54 PM
Fieneke
You didn't like Telegraph Road? I'm sure you were a member of the forum with that name many years ago! But it's such an archetypal DS song, marvellous control over tempo and dynamics, and a great MK guitar solo. Admittedly (like almost everyone else here) I'd rather he alternated playing it with Tunnel of Love. But you can't have everything!
Goon525 I can't remember that I have been an active member of Telegraph Road. Perhaps I have been reading there now and then, but in 2006 after I discovered MK, I became a member of MKnews and since AMIT started I have been here!
Telegraph Road wasn't special to me and neither the other 2. I listened to them now and then and the lyrics of TR are great but at the concerts I realized what a power those songs had by the way Mark and the guys played it live! It really was amazing and to be honest it is hard to imagine that they weren't my favourite songs before!
Quote Fordie: Somehow I like "Today Is Okay" very much because it is a real fun song: "more steak....and potatoes..."
I have the same with the sentence: "I'm gonna knock that man clean out.....He's going down, no doubt!
Fieneke
Sorry, I think I must have mixed you up with someone else then. Before this forum, there was a mailing list thingy run by someone called Snowy, I think. (I may have this name wrong.) I'm going back to the mid-90s, and this was quite early days for Internet groups. Someone you remind me of must have been a member, but my memory stinks these days, so apologies!
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Privateering is my least favorite MK album I'm sad to say. I find many of the songs to be dull and boring. I can't find a single song out of the 20 on the album that even comes close to the best tracks on MK's other albums. I haven't given up though. I'll continue to play it and hope the songs take on a deeper meaning over time.
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I've been listening to it a lot, and while I'm glad to have new material from Mark, most of the album is just so-so. I can't pick out a single track that I would rate as truly exceptional. My faves are Privateering, YTC, Haul Away, and Submariner. The blues tunes are mostly throwaways lyrically, and I find it irritating that Mark gave Kim Wilson all that space - I wish he'd played some of those solos himself, on the gee-tar. That would have made for a better album, to me.
I'll listen to it for a while, but I've e feeling that after a few more weeks, it'll go on the shelf next to KTGC and Get Lucky, seldom to be listened to thereafter.
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I've been listening to it a lot, and while I'm glad to have new material from Mark, most of the album is just so-so. I can't pick out a single track that I would rate as truly exceptional. My faves are Privateering, YTC, Haul Away, and Submariner. The blues tunes are mostly throwaways lyrically, and I find it irritating that Mark gave Kim Wilson all that space - I wish he'd played some of those solos himself, on the gee-tar. That would have made for a better album, to me.
I'll listen to it for a while, but I've e feeling that after a few more weeks, it'll go on the shelf next to KTGC and Get Lucky, seldom to be listened to thereafter.
That expresses my feelings almost exactly.
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Quote from: goon525 on October 14, 2012, 03:46:54 PM
Sorry, I think I must have mixed you up with someone else then. Before this forum, there was a mailing list thingy run by someone called Snowy, I think. (I may have this name wrong.) I'm going back to the mid-90s, and this was quite early days for Internet groups. Someone you remind me of must have been a member, but my memory stinks these days, so apologies!
Please Goon525 don
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GL and STP still my favourites. Something missing from Privateering that I cant quite work out.
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What's missing for me is that Privateering is weak lyrically. Kill To Get Crimson is a masterpiece next to Privateering. I'm actually shocked at how mediocre Privateering is. Listen to the new Dylan album Tempest and then listen to Privateering. The difference in quality and songwriting is staggering.
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Totally agree with Love Expresso that this album doesn't work as an album. It's more like a bunch of songs dumped on a disc. What i really miss on this album is a coherent dynamically balance and characteristic uptempo riff driven rocky song, like we have seen on other albums. Songs like What It Is, Why Aye Man, This Is Us etc.
I tried to make my own version of the album, but that doesn't really work either. Cause all the uptempo or more heavy songs are blues / old style rock 'n roll songs. Corn Beef City for example totally doesn't sonically fit with the other songs. Besides that, and with all due respect to Mister Knopfler, the bluesy or rock 'n roll songs on Privateering aren't as good as what is already out there in that music style. It also has been done over and over again on thousands of albums. It has such a predictable chord progression and instrument arrangement that I personally don't understand why one would still choose to write in that style. For example "I used to could" is like Chuck Berry's "You Never Can Tell" with all the piano twingling.
Anyway, when you leave the blues and rock 'n roll stuff out then you are left with only slow and a few mid tempo songs. Which makes the album dynamically not very interesting. You always need an uptempo song after two slow tempo songs which will energize you to keep you awake and keep your attention.
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Even thou i like uptempo songs more over slow ones, the trouble i got with those is their distraction (need to be listen intensively and focused to fully enjoy) so i end up too often with waving hands and playing air drums instead of working/drawing comics, as i should :smack
Privateering, for me at the moment, is the best MK's album for that "not too much distraction" working background atmosphere music.
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I remember just after STP came out, that there was talk of the duets thing with Emmylou Harris, and also reports that Van Morrison wanted to get together with Mark and do an album of blues material. I recall that someone asked Guy about it, and he said that he didn't think it would ever happen, which of course it didn't. But after hearing Privateering, I kind of wish that Mark and Van had gotten together and done that project. Like maybe release Privateering less the blues stuff, and a separate duet blues album with Van. I think the blues tunes would be better, and Van would probably have brought some of his own songs to the project. Certainly would be better than ATRR.
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It's a good album rather than great. For me STP,GL then possibly Privateering. There aren't any standout tracks like there has been on other albums though, overall not bad. Light years away from KTGC which almost switched me off MK...That album I would describe as poor, with only one or two passable songs.
As album openers go, Redbud Tree is only beaten into last place by True Love Never Fades !!
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Imagine Occupation Blues as the "real" opener and Follow The Ribbon as the "real" closing song - then I think I could judge much better...
LE
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Actually I consider "Follow the ribbon" as very very boring, a very repetitive melody, a very long song where nothing happens musically... I dont get how that song is a favourite of many of you, but I respect that!
"Occupation blues" is a great song with a great melody, I agree with that one.
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Actually I consider "Follow the ribbon" as very very boring, a very repetitive melody, a very long song where nothing happens musically... I dont get how that song is a favourite of many of you, but I respect that!
"Occupation blues" is a great song with a great melody, I agree with that one.
+1
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It's a good album rather than great. For me STP,GL then possibly Privateering. There aren't any standout tracks like there has been on other albums though, overall not bad. Light years away from KTGC which almost switched me off MK...That album I would describe as poor, with only one or two passable songs.
As album openers go, Redbud Tree is only beaten into last place by True Love Never Fades !!
KTGC is underestimated to me; even by MK himself, he never bothered to promote the album properly; but there are gems on it... TLWNF is not a good opener, agreed; but Punish the Monkey is great ! So is Madame Geneva, the Scaffholder's wife, Heart Full of Holes... vastly underestimated. A much better album than Shangri-La, I think...
I don't share your opinion about Redbud Tree, I think it is great... just needs a bit more development. Could be a great opener, even though I still prefer Border Reiver. Border and Piper on the GL album are masterpieces that I really hope to hear again next year.
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That is why LE is putting it last! It is a sleeper, but one of those that are not going to wake up, but rather put you to sleep. ;D It has merits though. Nice guitar licks and somewhere bending his voice reminds me of another MK song. (Stand up guy) Maybe that is why it was not in the regular release. And some nice lyrics as well.
Herlock, I know what you mean when you say underestimated, but still, it is a matter of desire to listen to the album and the number of time and spins you give it. But for me it is not underestimated, or at least not like when we talk about underestimated artists, like Nick Drake. Great albums and music, cherished and always in your rack and playlist, but really the desire to listen to them often is not there. But when you do, they still send shivers down my spine, like when I first heard them. But KTGC is not this case. I returned and listened to it repeatedly to find the "truth" and hidden treasures, and I did find some (you mention them) but then again it went back to its case and into its box. Let's hope it is not the case with the new one. Time will tell. It is after all a matter of taste. I love Shangri-La. Maybe my favourite album, together with STP and TRD. A strange choice, but I was in London just before the release on a photographic tour and I have been chasing the SL promo on every store in London. So it certainly added up. ;)
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I really like the bonus tracks. Occupation Blues and Follow The Ribbon should have been on the album :o
And Your Perfect Song!
It's small, sweat, lovely and great
I still haven't heard the bonus tracks from the box set. D'oh!
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Dusty look them up on youtube, they are there, courtesy of some fan.
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Well, I have to say that PRIVATEERING got me through a very long road trip recently...There are several of MK's albums that are 'road' albums for me, and will be forever associated with me being in the car singing where I can't bother anybody..."Kill To Get Crimson", "Shangri-La", and "Ragpicker's" all belong to the road for me. (And the very first DS album belongs to a trip I made to South Dakota and Wyoming!) "Get Lucky" is the album I recovered to, after a bad accident; every album has something different to give. There IS a LOT of blues on "Privateering", but it just reflects MK's moods at the time; he seems to be really into blues lately. And btw, I LOVE "After the Beanstalk"!
My favorite albums, probably, would be: Shangri-La, Get Lucky, Kill to Get Crimson,Privateering, Ragpicker's, Goldenheart. But I go through phases where one or the other is all I want to listen to for a month. I was on a Goldenheart kick just before I went on vacation.
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Hi All,
Just thought that I'd add that MK's new album is of real help at the moment as my father passed away at the weekend after his brave battle with Vascular Dementia which had worsened over the past month. My wife and I are using the music to help us focus on our loss. With so much choice of genres on this wonderful album there is so much to help us. I was doing ok until 'DOTDS' started and then I just broke down - natural I guess.
(Ingridswing - glad the standee arrived ok and hope you enjoy - See you next year...)
I will join in again once my fathers funeral has happened next week, incidentally father was not a huge music fan but certainly encouraged my guitar playing so much so he persuaded me to buy the first MK strat. Dad in his latter days seemed to take comfort in listening to MK and particulary like PTTE so that particular tune will be played at his funeral next week.
Speak soon
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May your father rest in peace and you live long to carry his memory .
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I really don't know how to say this in English, but I see this forum as a big family and I'm really sorry for your loss. I wish you the best!
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knopflerfan, I am sorry for your loss...I, too, have turned to MK's music in times of serious trauma. There's something about his music that helps where nothing else does...
nabobo, you do well in communicating. And yes, this is a big family. I believe we all feel like relatives here!
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knopflerfan - I am so sorry to hear of your father's death. Mark's music has always been a great comfort to me at times like this and I'm sure it is to you too. My thoughts are with you and your family at this sad time.
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So sorry to hear of your loss. It's an old cliche but time is the only way of helping one to deal with things like this.
I was very close to my Gran and when she died in 2003 of course I was very upset but I never listened to any MK music at all for about a fortnight simply because I didn't want any particular song to remind me of the death when it was played in the future. Now I can listen to all of them and I am not reminded of my Grans death even though she too liked Marks music. I don't mind telling you, It was a difficult two weeks; no MK! :o
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Dear Knopflerfan.
I am so sorry for your loss. I hope the music will give you comfort and strength. See you next year in better times.
Take care, Ingrid
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Dear Knopflerfan, I am so sorry to hear that your father died! I wish you, your wife and the rest of your family a lot of courage and strength in these difficult times.
September 2009 my mother in-law died because of dementia too, so I can imagine what you have been going through! Because her death was unexpected nobody of the family knew what music should be played at the ceremony, so I suggested that Irish Boy and Father & Son would be perfect and it was played. I am sure she would have loved this music as well! Every time when I hear this music I think about her and the beautiful memories we have!
You all are in my thoughts and I hope to meet you both in London as well!
Regards Fieneke
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Listened to Piper To The End on the train today (coincidentally more or less) and thought about the sheer brilliance of this song - I listened to the live version from Locarno 2010 which I always found especially touching - don't know why.
Today the song reminded me about the hard times you are going through at the moment, Knopflerfan, and although we never met personalwise, I am sure AMIT is a band strong enough to justify my condolences to you. Next year, when we will meet in London (at the same Hotel actually), everything will be a little bit brighter for you and your loved ones. I myself accompanied my stepfather through dying last summer, and even if it sounds strange, the AMIT community was a very welcomed distraction during the months after that - so far away but so close at the same time.
LE
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Well what can I say - I am speechless!
What a fantastic bunch of people you all are - Thankyou on behalf of my wife and I.
Even Guy and the band sent me their condolances which obviously mean a great deal. I informed Guy that I am playing PTTE at dads funeral next week and he at once sent a lovely message back.
Yes times are hard not having father about, but he is with me at all times if you know what I mean.
I informed the priest (who is a close friend) today who is taking the service next week about why I wanted the piece played and how much this particular track meant not only to me but to dad - and he loved the idea of how much it seemed to comfort dad during his illness.
Back on thread slightly I am 100 % sure dad would have loved the majority of the tracks on the new album - just as much as I do.
We are looking forward to meeting the majority of you next year on 'the tour'
Incidentally my way of distraction is getting the good old 'MK' strat out and playing along to the album.....
also I have succesfully downloaded two MK 'BD' tour concerts onto CD and I have to say that this MK is at his best!
'Yon two Crows' and 'I used to could': 'Live' - awesome!!!
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Sorry to hear of your loss.
My Mother has a similar illness.
My sympathies are with you and family.
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Knopflerfan, i wish you strength and serenity. Loosing one's parent is very hard, like there's nobody to protect you. But know that your dad is still watching over you and your family. Music ( MK or others) is always a big help at difficult times.
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Knopflerfan - Please accept our sympathy to you and your family for your loss. I hope the grieving process passes quickly and fond memories of better times remain.
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Knopflerfan, I too wish you and your family strength and wisdom during these sad times.
May you find support in your favorite music. When the clouds of sadness clear, may the good and warm memories of your father remain.
Through those memories, your father will live on in your heart.
Maaike
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I am speechless by you guys - many thanks for all your support and really kind words. Rest assured I am taking a day at a time, supported by a lovely wife and family/friends who have all been such a great help.
Catch up soon...
PS: Of course the music of 'MK' ALWAYS helps in whatever situation.....
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MK music always suited my life, in good and in bad. Its like he has a connection with us that we dont know.
However, Privateering has evolved again for me in an unexpected way...
I only listen to it while driving, as at home its a little difficult for me now to do it unless I
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Knopflerfan, my father died in november , two years ago. So I know it is a hard time for you now, Christmas-time will be very sad. You will never forget your father, but believe me, one day you are able to laugh again.
I wish you and your family strenght !
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knopflerfan,
Please also accept my condolence for your loss. Just like everybody said here, MK's music will salvage me from every circumstances I'm. i'm sure it will be for you too.
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The live versions on the deluxe set sound so much better than the studio versions do.
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:wave jerrymb yes +1 from me. Love the feel on all of those from the 3-CD set!! :thumbsup
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Actually, if they are "unmixed" and direct feed from the sound desk... These are really good recordings...
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Actually, if they are "unmixed" and direct feed from the sound desk... These are really good recordings...
Indeed.
I am really angry that the CD is so short... they could have released WII, Marbletown, Speedway, BIA, SFA, Privateering, Haul Away...
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Maybe a live album is on it's way. MK.com states that no recordings allowed, but of course it is probably because of Bob. Which by the way and despite this restriction, is one of the most bootleged artists ever!!!
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Btw, has the "unmixed" recording of "What it is" from the rehearsal already seen the light of the day? I thought it to be included in the Japanese edtion of "Privateering".
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I wouldn't expect any live album from now on. The re-release of Alchemy on BD was an indication to me that that is all we are going to get in the way of live material from the MK camp. Any new live performances would only damage his reputation; I guess that's why Mark wanted TR removed from the Madrid download. He could have removed the pedestrian and slackly played Sultans too. ::)
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dmg, I don't even care, but you are very sarcasticly funny! But for argument's shake I think that TR was removed because the Simfy owners would feel somehow robbed if everybody else got the same recording without paying what they have paid.
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These past 2 weeks I listened to nothing except the recordings from the tour. A few days ago, I decided to listen to "privateering" album, I still love it. But Live versions of the songs are so much more alive. It's kind of hard to go back to listening to the album. I think songs like ' Go Love, Bluebird, blood and water will sound really wonderful LIVE.
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After more than a month, my favourite songs of the record are still I uset to could, redbud tree and the blues songs.
But, it will not be remain for me as a great album.
The other day, I played On Everyt Street on my Hi-Fi just after Privateering (I didn't listen OES since a long time) and I realised how I'm more a "DS music" fan than a "MK music" fan.
I also bought the new record of another old band : La Futura by ZZ Top.
They came back to the roots of their sound and this is a great.
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I've had over a month now to listen to Privateering. I have to admit that I like it much more than I did when I first heard it. But I'm still left with the feeling that I've heard these songs before on other MK albums. Of all of Mark's albums Privateering is still my least favorite.One reason being that there is nothing original about it.The music sounds recycled to me and the lyrics too light.Yet when I heard a few of these songs live they sound very different and much better. I don't think that the production put enough life into these songs.