A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => One Deep River / The Boy => Topic started by: Klaus74 on February 15, 2022, 02:35:01 PM
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Hello to all. :wave
Hmm, what do you expect in case of the new recorded material by MK and the boys.?? 8)
To me personally it will be cool to have an album with a suitable mixture of different musical-styles and arrangements. I love some ballads, with little folk or country-flavour, but also some more bluesy or rock-based tunes. That will be great for me. ;)
What do you think about ? What are your personal song-favourites or wishes in case of composition and musical-style ?
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After Hot Dog and My Bacon Roll, one can only hope for another food song! In all seriousness, though, given his current guitar skills, I hope for harmonically interesting songs as I won't expect too much from his soloing efforts. Soundwise I hope for something radically different than DTRW. It's never going to happen, but I would be so happy if Chuck mixed the whole thing.
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Hi TheTimeWasWrong. Thanks a lot for your opinion for the new album.
I hope it will go into a more bluesy or rock-n-roll direction, but a few folk-based tunes are also accepted and pretty cool.
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I guess the new record will have a song about an old dog on a boat eating saussages but in fact it will be about the pandemic.
They will be something about Bojo or politics disguised as the story of a mean cowboy.
Maybe a song about getting old
Probably something about his dire straits days because he may not like to look into his back catalogue but he sure does like to look into the past.
A song about an obscure writer or poet.
Probably something about the art scene or the music business but artfully told
One or two portrait songs
maybe one about Elvis or Dylan - it's becoming recurrent for the latter
And we will love them or learn to do so in a matter of days. I can't wait!
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I'm counting on something mystical like Before gas And TV or Drover's Road. Songs about the soul and the human condition.
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I'm counting on something mystical like Before gas And TV or Drover's Road. Songs about the soul and the human condition.
Two songs I would put in any Knopfler best of if he did one.
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I would be fine with anything, whether folk, blues, rock, country etc. as long as he leaves out the brass. Just some saxophone is ok. ;)
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Leaving out the Brass would be good for me, a return to the Golden Heart style is what I would love.
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Leaving out the Brass would be good for me, a return to the Golden Heart style is what I would love.
Quite agree!!
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I would be fine with anything, whether folk, blues, rock, country etc. as long as he leaves out the brass. Just some saxophone is ok. ;)
Indeed, no Brass please...
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I would be fine with anything, whether folk, blues, rock, country etc. as long as he leaves out the brass. Just some saxophone is ok. ;)
Indeed, no Brass please...
I think we'd have known by now. Looks like pedal steel is the new inclusion this time which probably means country to me, which is good as far as I'm concerned.
Think: Setting Me Up, When It Comes to You, How Long, Are We In Trouble Now... :P
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I guess the new record will have a song about an old dog on a boat eating saussages but in fact it will be about the pandemic.
They will be something about Bojo or politics disguised as the story of a mean cowboy.
Maybe a song about getting old
Probably something about his dire straits days because he may not like to look into his back catalogue but he sure does like to look into the past.
A song about an obscure writer or poet.
Probably something about the art scene or the music business but artfully told
One or two portrait songs
maybe one about Elvis or Dylan - it's becoming recurrent for the latter
And we will love them or learn to do so in a matter of days. I can't wait!
Not to mention a song about a boxer.
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It's funny when I read that the fact there is a steel player is going to be country.
Many of MK records have pedal steel and are not country at all. Privateering has pedal steel on many songs and none of them are country!
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Maybe because the pedal steel guitar sounds subtle on the Privateering album. Also on other albums. However, Golden Heart is a different level and pedal steel guitar is often in the foreground.
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Paul Franklin is on STP, RPD and Privateering, if I recall well, and he is not doing any country think of them, just creating atmospheric sounds and some nice solos and touches here and there.
I think this is why MK wants that instrument on his records.
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That's true, but Paul Franklin is also on Golden Heart and we'll probably agree that MK first album is country:)
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Paul Franklin is on STP, RPD and Privateering, if I recall well, and he is not doing any country think of them, just creating atmospheric sounds and some nice solos and touches here and there.
I think this is why MK wants that instrument on his records.
+1 :thumbsup
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That's true, but Paul Franklin is also on Golden Heart and we'll probably agree that MK first album is country:)
GH has only one country song. There are some with a certain flavor, but country, there is only one.
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The most country flavor ... :) But I agree. Song number 14.
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Paul Franklin is on STP, RPD and Privateering, if I recall well, and he is not doing any country think of them, just creating atmospheric sounds and some nice solos and touches here and there.
I think this is why MK wants that instrument on his records.
He’s also on Shangri-La :)
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The most country flavor ... :) But I agree. Song number 14.
Best country song ever written by a non country artist.
Everything about this song is just right.
One of my all-time favourite MK songs. So beautiful!
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The most country flavor ... :) But I agree. Song number 14.
Best country song ever written by a non country artist.
Everything about this song is just right.
One of my all-time favourite MK songs. So beautiful!
Oh yes! I have the same feelings:)
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That's true, but Paul Franklin is also on Golden Heart and we'll probably agree that MK first album is country:)
GH has only one country song. There are some with a certain flavor, but country, there is only one.
Well I'm the Fool and nobody's got the gun have some much flavour that I would count them as Country Songs as well.
Just listened again...
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Paul Franklin adds great flavour to You and Your Friend, not a country song either.
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Or Planet Of New Orleans.
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It's funny when I read that the fact there is a steel player is going to be country.
Many of MK records have pedal steel and are not country at all. Privateering has pedal steel on many songs and none of them are country!
Let me dream for heavens sake! PF has been completely wasted on recent albums, in fact you couldn't tell there was a pedal steel on it/them.
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It's funny when I read that the fact there is a steel player is going to be country.
Many of MK records have pedal steel and are not country at all. Privateering has pedal steel on many songs and none of them are country!
Let me dream for heavens sake! PF has been completely wasted on recent albums, in fact you couldn't tell there was a pedal steel on it/them.
That's true, one wonders why MK really needed a pedal steel to just play atmospheric sounds...
Greg Leisz has a big curriculum with rock stars, and most of the things he did are most of the times that way too, so I guess we should expect the same use of the instrument.
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It's funny when I read that the fact there is a steel player is going to be country.
Many of MK records have pedal steel and are not country at all. Privateering has pedal steel on many songs and none of them are country!
Let me dream for heavens sake! PF has been completely wasted on recent albums, in fact you couldn't tell there was a pedal steel on it/them.
That's true, one wonders why MK really needed a pedal steel to just play atmospheric sounds...
Greg Leisz has a big curriculum with rock stars, and most of the things he did are most of the times that way too, so I guess we should expect the same use of the instrument.
The funniest thing is you guys are discussing Pedal Steel, and yet in Guy's diary Greg's playing regular guitar, so he maybe just another (overkill and expensive) additional guitar player like Robbie McIntosh to strum a couple of chords on a couple of songs commissioned from America for that sort of job.
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It's funny when I read that the fact there is a steel player is going to be country.
Many of MK records have pedal steel and are not country at all. Privateering has pedal steel on many songs and none of them are country!
Let me dream for heavens sake! PF has been completely wasted on recent albums, in fact you couldn't tell there was a pedal steel on it/them.
That's true, one wonders why MK really needed a pedal steel to just play atmospheric sounds...
Greg Leisz has a big curriculum with rock stars, and most of the things he did are most of the times that way too, so I guess we should expect the same use of the instrument.
The funniest thing is you guys are discussing Pedal Steel, and yet in Guy's diary Greg's playing regular guitar, so he maybe just another (overkill and expensive) additional guitar player like Robbie McIntosh to strum a couple of chords on a couple of songs commissioned from America for that sort of job.
I don't think that's going to be his main role in the recordings, but just a handy situation of having another guitar player. One wonders where Richard was!
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He might have just been playing guitar on that particular track, I can't see Mark recruiting him to play just guitar, he and Richard could do that.
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Greg Leisz’s playing is very different from Paul Franklin’s. He’s more bluesy than country and uses more gain in his tone. I like it.
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It's funny when I read that the fact there is a steel player is going to be country.
Many of MK records have pedal steel and are not country at all. Privateering has pedal steel on many songs and none of them are country!
Let me dream for heavens sake! PF has been completely wasted on recent albums, in fact you couldn't tell there was a pedal steel on it/them.
That's true, one wonders why MK really needed a pedal steel to just play atmospheric sounds...
Greg Leisz has a big curriculum with rock stars, and most of the things he did are most of the times that way too, so I guess we should expect the same use of the instrument.
The funniest thing is you guys are discussing Pedal Steel, and yet in Guy's diary Greg's playing regular guitar, so he maybe just another (overkill and expensive) additional guitar player like Robbie McIntosh to strum a couple of chords on a couple of songs commissioned from America for that sort of job.
He was just learning the chords to the new songs I guess
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Greg Leisz’s playing is very different from Paul Franklin’s. He’s more bluesy than country and uses more gain in his tone. I like it.
Sounds interesting, thanks! :thumbsup
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Hello again. First a big thank you all, for your expectancies and wishes.
Yes, pedal-steel is a big thought in case of the new songs, but what about bottleneck or slide-guitar-style ?? For my taste, it also will be cool to hear that sound-flavour again, likely with slide-master Sonny Landreth.
Landreth is also a class of his own and i like his guitar-work and sound. Mark, so please don´t forget to invite Sonny Landreth in your studio for finest guitarplaying. ;D
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Richard also played some cool lap steel on Daddy's Gone to Knoxville :)
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Paul Franklin is on STP, RPD and Privateering, if I recall well, and he is not doing any country think of them, just creating atmospheric sounds and some nice solos and touches here and there.
I think this is why MK wants that instrument on his records.
Agreed. It’s hardly for steel solos like “Daddy’s gone to Knoxville.”
I always think the same about John Mc’s wife Heidi Talbot.
Both MK and Jerry Douglas played on her record but you can barely tell at all.
Same with Bap Kennedy. Mark played on his song “Please Return to Jesus”- a very simple two chord song and again, you can’t really hear him.
But that’s the way they wanted it.
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Richard also played some cool lap steel on Daddy's Gone to Knoxville :)
and Belle Starr, Old pigweed, In the heartland, All that matters...
and even pedal steel on live versions of My bacon roll, OES, Redbdud tree... and of course during Meet & Greet
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I think some of those examples are dobro as opposed to what is commonly referred to as lap steel, which is an electric instrument initially associated with Hawaiian music. :)
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I think some of those examples are dobro as opposed to what is commonly referred to as lap steel, which is an electric instrument initially associated with Hawaiian music. :)
The dobro is also played like a lap steel, let's see the great Jerry Douglas!
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Yes, the point I'm making is that what is known as "lap steel" isn't just any guitar played on the lap, but a specific instrument in its own right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lap_steel_guitar
Yes, a dobro can be played on the lap, and yes they are often made of steel, but we would usually call them a dobro and not a lap steel.
Hope that make sense!
Maybe a small point but as someone who plays both (and pedal steel) I think the distinction is important!
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Yes, the point I'm making is that what is known as "lap steel" isn't just any guitar played on the lap, but a specific instrument in its own right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lap_steel_guitar
Yes, a dobro can be played on the lap, and yes they are often made of steel, but we would usually call them a dobro and not a lap steel.
Hope that make sense!
Maybe a small point but as someone who plays both (and pedal steel) I think the distinction is important!
So Lap Steel is electric, ok.
In this case, it looks like Greg, the new guy in the band, plays all the variaties of it, dobro, lap steel, and pedal steel. Also guitars, mandolins etc.
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However, the wiki link you provided says this:
There are three categories of lap steel guitars:
Acoustic lap steel guitars: These are traditional acoustic steel-string acoustic guitars modified to be played on the performer's lap.[13] The modification is to raise the strings higher off the fingerboard than a traditional guitar, which can be done by inserting an adapter on the instrument's bridge and its nut.[14] This prevents the steel bar from hitting against the frets.[14]
Dobro-type guitars or National guitars: These are typically acoustic steel guitars with a large aluminum cone under the bridge, called a resonator, that increases volume output.[15]: 109 Wood-body resonator guitars are called "Dobros" and steel bodied ones are called "Nationals".[16]: 38 The types do not sound the same — the Nationals are brassier and are usually preferred by blues players.[16]: 38 Either type offers round necks (Spanish) or square necks (Hawaiian).[16]: 38 Square necks are sometimes necessitated both by the use of thicker strings and by the increased force the instrument is subject to as a consequence of its raised strings.[10][17]
Electric lap steel guitars: Describes instruments that are specifically designed to be played horizontally and feature an electric pickup so that they do not require any resonance chamber. Guitars in this category may differ markedly from one another in external appearance, and include instruments made from rectangular solid blocks of wood.[8]: 13 Some may be small enough to be played on the lap; others may have more than one neck (making the instrument heavier), and may be built on a frame with legs, which is then known as a console steel.[8]
So the dobro played horizontally by Jerry Douglas is one kind of lap steel on its own :think
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However, the wiki link you provided says this:
There are three categories of lap steel guitars:
Acoustic lap steel guitars: These are traditional acoustic steel-string acoustic guitars modified to be played on the performer's lap.[13] The modification is to raise the strings higher off the fingerboard than a traditional guitar, which can be done by inserting an adapter on the instrument's bridge and its nut.[14] This prevents the steel bar from hitting against the frets.[14]
Dobro-type guitars or National guitars: These are typically acoustic steel guitars with a large aluminum cone under the bridge, called a resonator, that increases volume output.[15]: 109 Wood-body resonator guitars are called "Dobros" and steel bodied ones are called "Nationals".[16]: 38 The types do not sound the same — the Nationals are brassier and are usually preferred by blues players.[16]: 38 Either type offers round necks (Spanish) or square necks (Hawaiian).[16]: 38 Square necks are sometimes necessitated both by the use of thicker strings and by the increased force the instrument is subject to as a consequence of its raised strings.[10][17]
Electric lap steel guitars: Describes instruments that are specifically designed to be played horizontally and feature an electric pickup so that they do not require any resonance chamber. Guitars in this category may differ markedly from one another in external appearance, and include instruments made from rectangular solid blocks of wood.[8]: 13 Some may be small enough to be played on the lap; others may have more than one neck (making the instrument heavier), and may be built on a frame with legs, which is then known as a console steel.[8]
So the dobro played horizontally by Jerry Douglas is one kind of lap steel on its own :think
Those accounts are enough to make me drool. I would love a wall of steel guitars just to look at.
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So the dobro played horizontally by Jerry Douglas is one kind of lap steel on its own :think
It is, and you break these things down a million ways but for ease of reference in musician terms you would usually just say lap steel (electric), dobro (acoustic).
In dobro for example you could have a steel guitar like a National, or a wooden guitar, a square neck like Richard has, or a round neck. Where does it end?
The main thing is a lap steel (electric) like on Daddy's Gone to Knoxville, sounds very different to a dobro like on All That Matters and that's why it's useful to make a distinction. In my opinion anyway. :)
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Oh, and one person in the world plays a Pedobro which wouldn't usually be relevant but is of interest on this forum!
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Oh, and one person in the world plays a Pedobro which wouldn't usually be relevant but is of interest on this forum!
I think you mean Paul Franklin? I think he called it pedabro, and it's the one he plays in TR during the OES tour, it's like a pedal steel guitar, but the instrument has a cone, isn't it?
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Oh, and one person in the world plays a Pedobro which wouldn't usually be relevant but is of interest on this forum!
I think you mean Paul Franklin? I think he called it pedabro, and it's the one he plays in TR during the OES tour, it's like a pedal steel guitar, but the instrument has a cone, isn't it?
Correct!
I think he said his dad made it and I don't know of anyone else who plays one.
I'm not sure about TR but it's famously used on You and Your Friend.
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Oh, and one person in the world plays a Pedobro which wouldn't usually be relevant but is of interest on this forum!
I think you mean Paul Franklin? I think he called it pedabro, and it's the one he plays in TR during the OES tour, it's like a pedal steel guitar, but the instrument has a cone, isn't it?
Correct!
I think he said his dad made it and I don't know of anyone else who plays one.
I'm not sure about TR but it's famously used on You and Your Friend.
I think they are different instruments, the one you says I think is called just "The box", and it's what he plays in "You and your friends"
The pedabro is this, and it's played in the start of TR during the OES tour:
(https://pedalsteelpodcast.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/pedabro.jpg?w=380&h=244)
The box is an instrument all of wood, without any resonator, just a hole, like an Spanish guitar, where the sounds resonates. This is the one used on "You and your friend"
(https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix1403/4754_WPbiobox1_2.jpg)
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Ah OK, gets too complicated once the Franklins start inventing instruments!
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Yes Dusty I see what you mean by "lapsteel" as electric" :)
there are also lapsteel that are note played on laps, but on a stand, without pedals... yes it can get complicated....
I tried to sum up all these differents kinds of playing in this article :)
https://textes-blog-rock-n-roll.fr/les-differentes-facons-de-jouer-de-la-guitare-a-plat/
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I think they are different instruments, the one you says I think is called just "The box", and it's what he plays in "You and your friends"
The pedabro is this, and it's played in the start of TR during the OES tour:
The box is an instrument all of wood, without any resonator, just a hole, like an Spanish guitar, where the sounds resonates. This is the one used on "You and your friend"
Thanks for this precision, I always thought that The box was the nickname for pedabro
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Yes Dusty I see what you mean by "lapsteel" as electric" :)
there are also lapsteel that are note played on laps, but on a stand, without pedals... yes it can get complicated....
I tried to sum up all these differents kinds of playing in this article :)
https://textes-blog-rock-n-roll.fr/les-differentes-facons-de-jouer-de-la-guitare-a-plat/
Very nice article.
I own a 1961 Fender lap steel and a double neck Magnatone from the 1950s, but the legs are lost for that one. :) A keyboard stand works fine.
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I think they are different instruments, the one you says I think is called just "The box", and it's what he plays in "You and your friends"
The pedabro is this, and it's played in the start of TR during the OES tour:
The box is an instrument all of wood, without any resonator, just a hole, like an Spanish guitar, where the sounds resonates. This is the one used on "You and your friend"
Thanks for this precision, I always thought that The box was the nickname for pedabro
You can update now the article with the box. When you see that it's just a wood box with a hole, the name gets sense!
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I think they are different instruments, the one you says I think is called just "The box", and it's what he plays in "You and your friends"
The pedabro is this, and it's played in the start of TR during the OES tour:
The box is an instrument all of wood, without any resonator, just a hole, like an Spanish guitar, where the sounds resonates. This is the one used on "You and your friend"
Thanks for this precision, I always thought that The box was the nickname for pedabro
You can update now the article with the box. When you see that it's just a wood box with a hole, the name gets sense!
yes, done :)
thanks for your help :)
by the way, I think that the pedabro is also played on how long, Weapon of prayer and That's where I belong, among others
and maybe Bewildered... not sure on this one. The sound is something between dobro and electric steel
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Yoy might be right, never paid that much attention to it, but for how long, makes sense.
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Just listening to Bewildered. I think you may be right.
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Yes Dusty I see what you mean by "lapsteel" as electric" :)
there are also lapsteel that are note played on laps, but on a stand, without pedals... yes it can get complicated....
I tried to sum up all these differents kinds of playing in this article :)
https://textes-blog-rock-n-roll.fr/les-differentes-facons-de-jouer-de-la-guitare-a-plat/
I love the sound of any steel guitar, dobro, slide guitar, pedal steel or whatever it's called. These instruments give each song a special atmosphere.
Hope we will hear some of them on Mark's new album. Thanks for the interesting article, JF. :thumbsup
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I think some of those examples are dobro as opposed to what is commonly referred to as lap steel, which is an electric instrument initially associated with Hawaiian music. :)
The dobro is also played like a lap steel, let's see the great Jerry Douglas!
I love this version from Dan Auerbach’s solo album which MK played on. This live version of Never In My Wildest Dreams has Jerry Douglas.
https://youtu.be/SrE2x4S2sQY
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I'd love so much Jerry Douglas playing in a MK record... The closest was the Bap Kennedy's Sailor Revenge, where in some songs you have Knopfler and Douglas playing in the same song, but MK in that record did quite a lot of rhythm guitars and very little solos...
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https://youtu.be/kC0khmo6U4g
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I always wonder why Guy Fletcher won't say if the new album is going to be more country, rock or bluegrass. What would happen if he said :think
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I always wonder why Guy Fletcher won't say if the new album is going to be more country, rock or bluegrass. What would happen if he said :think
I think Guy won't say anything that would spoil the thing. He said they used a harp, but on what? It may be a rap song for all we know. Something like this :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNdiV_OpGgM
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I don't want a running commentary from Guy, or anyone about the new album, I want to wait and listen to it when it is released, without knowing much about the songs, I remember in 1996 hearing Golden Heart for the 1st time, this was the early dawn of the internet so I had no clue about the album, and it was magical to hear, still is too.
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It's all true. I also remember March 1996. I didn't know anything about Golden Heart album. 25 years ... The world has changed
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I'm not good with that site who had a register of new songs, I remember someone discovered the Local Hero musical and the DTRW titles months before in that site...
Don't remember who was but, any luck searching for new titles?
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ISWC database has changed since DTRW and searching for new entries become harder. Actually, I found one new record:
T-931.810.657-9 A BARREL OF OIL
but I guess it is updated version of "barrel of crude" from Local Hero
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I would be fine with anything, whether folk, blues, rock, country etc. as long as he leaves out the brass. Just some saxophone is ok. ;)
Indeed, no Brass please...
I think we'd have known by now. Looks like pedal steel is the new inclusion this time which probably means country to me, which is good as far as I'm concerned.
Think: Setting Me Up, When It Comes to You, How Long, Are We In Trouble Now... :P
Nice idea, and given the state of MK's guitar abilities of late these type of songs would be a lot more flowing for him to play some lead to...
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ISWC database has changed since DTRW and searching for new entries become harder. Actually, I found one new record:
T-931.810.657-9 A BARREL OF OIL
but I guess it is updated version of "barrel of crude" from Local Hero
Looks like it, thanks
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There is also a new entry titled "Dire Straits Medley"
:hmm
;D
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I guess if some cheesy artist releases something with a DS medley it generates a new credit as MK wrote all those titles.
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No mention to any other artist involved on this entry, if it's what you say, it should say the performer's name...
T-010.948.999-7
TITLE: MEDLEY DIRE STRAITS
CREATOR NAME: KNOPFLER MARK
TYPE: OT
There is also a track by Nathan Cavalieri titled "Dire Straits"
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GF:
This new album, like its predecessor also has lots of guitars 😊 No, I certainly do not focus on any one style of music.
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GF:
This new album, like its predecessor also has lots of guitars 😊 No, I certainly do not focus on any one style of music.
Wow, lots of guitars on an album from a famous guitar player... What a stunning surprise :lol :lol :lol
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Guy Fletcher is smiling too
;)
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Funnily, he says a lot of guitars, not a lot of guitar playing or guitar solos... That's why he smiles, he knows what the person asking meant and his answer was doing fun with that.
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Won't be long until he saying this is the best album they've ever done...
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Maybe I'm in the minority but I'd like a double album plus bonus tracks. Yes, I want a repeat of 2012 :)
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Quantity over quality, then.
I on the other hand hope they are really cherry picking and choose the absolute best songs they can fit on ONE LP.
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I would like a double album too, Mark must have written many, many songs during lockdown alone.
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25 songs for sure.
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Love Over Gold was recently voted best DS album on this very forum with only 5 songs. Quality over quantity.
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Ideally I'd like one really great album and then a pile of good bonus tracks.
I see an album as a whole "thing", to be enjoyed in a single sitting. This is harder to pull off with a double album. Just make a good album then give us get a lifers the other tracks.
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I mentioned the album "Privateering" because Mark originally thought about a blues album but gave up on this idea, so he mixed blues tracks with others.
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Maybe I'm in the minority but I'd like a double album plus bonus tracks. Yes, I want a repeat of 2012 :)
I TOTALLY agree with you. And, even more important, I don't think that the Priveteering double was "quantity over quality". There were true gems, and many many high level songs by Mark... It would be absolutely great to have a double, after all these years
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Maybe I'm in the minority but I'd like a double album plus bonus tracks. Yes, I want a repeat of 2012 :)
I TOTALLY agree with you. And, even more important, I don't think that the Priveteering double was "quantity over quality". There were true gems, and many many high level songs by Mark... It would be absolutely great to have a double, after all these years
:thumbsup Exactly ! :)
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10 quality songs for me.
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Maybe I'm in the minority but I'd like a double album plus bonus tracks. Yes, I want a repeat of 2012 :)
I TOTALLY agree with you. And, even more important, I don't think that the Priveteering double was "quantity over quality". There were true gems, and many many high level songs by Mark... It would be absolutely great to have a double, after all these years
Yes, Privateering has gems, but to have Corned Beef City, Gator Blood and I Used To Could on there, three very similar songs? Weird.
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Won't be long until he saying this is the best album they've ever done...
HAHAHAHA!
That's true.
i'm afraid about this 'multitude of songs' or 'the album is not fixed in one gender only'
Last time i read one of this sentences, a couple of months later came the DTRW... a zillion songs and only one or two songs catched me.
DTRW, MK's worst work, ever.
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Yes, i hope it will be a cool double-album, 2-CD-Set, 2-Vinyl-Set, for example with carefully chosen tracks by MK and his buddies. A deluxe-Box-Set will also be fine, filled with some treasuries like some outtakes or unreleased stuff. :think 8)
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Well, for me it's simple, it's Mark Knopfler, one of the greatest ever song writers, so more songs from him I can hear the better :) and with the touring thing having ended, I feel he will be recording more songs more often, not just after a tour.
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I'd love to see Daniel Lanois or Rick Rubin produce Mark Knopfler. Or Blake Mills. Mark's songs are intriguing in themselves, but any of these three guys could make them more intriguing, still.
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Rick Rubin. Certainly, Johnny Cash's recent albums have gained new value.
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I think we fans deserve a double album after this long time of patiently waiting. I guess he must have written a lot of songs. All of his albums are different, but imho he has never done a bad one. I can't wait to hear his new songs!
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I think we fans deserve a double album after this long time of patiently waiting. I guess he must have written a lot of songs. All of his albums are different, but imho he has never done a bad one. I can't wait to hear his new songs!
Oh yes definitely! I like this thought very much:)
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plus a bonus cd taken from a studio live session
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He must have more than enough songs for a double album, just think how many he must have written during lockdown?
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He must have unused songs from previous records to fill a double cd for sure, songs that are good enough but that they didn't fit with the rest of songs at the time (like Pyroman, Bonafide or Bonfire night) and don't fit with the music he does nowadays either, but would be good enough to be released.
It is a pity that songs that are good are left out just because they don't fit the rest and left behind forever.
I'm sure he recorded enough material for a couple of double albums in these last sessions and hopefully we would have the chance to listen maybe a 1/4 part of them between what it's in the record and the bonus tracks, and most of the rest would remain hidden just because they didn't fit.
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"Ottoman" :think
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"Ottoman" :think
Pyroman
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"Ottoman" :think
Pyroman
:thumbsup
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He must have unused songs from previous records to fill a double cd for sure, songs that are good enough but that they didn't fit with the rest of songs at the time (like Pyroman, Bonafide or Bonfire night) and don't fit with the music he does nowadays either, but would be good enough to be released.
It is a pity that songs that are good are left out just because they don't fit the rest and left behind forever.
I'm sure he recorded enough material for a couple of double albums in these last sessions and hopefully we would have the chance to listen maybe a 1/4 part of them between what it's in the record and the bonus tracks, and most of the rest would remain hidden just because they didn't fit.
Pyroman.
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I wonder if Mark wrote a song about AI for the new album. I also think about Danny Cummings' words that Mark was courageous. Maybe in the songs in which we hear Seana Davey's harp.
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We'll probably have one or two songs done like in the old days, but looking at the photos in Guy's diary and knowing MK's abilities and artistic inclinations, I'm hoping for some folk, probably some ballads and maybe we'll have some country or blues. My thoughts.
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Didn't Guy say something about one song being absolutely amazing on his forum? I can't remember the exact words he used. I can't wait to hear that one.
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Guy has so far told us:
There's at least 1 track with Richard Bennett on mandola.
There's at least 1 track with Greg Leisz on mandolin.
Seana Davey plays the harp on 1 track.
Ed Cervenka is on cimbalom at least on 1 track.
Tamsin and Emma Topolski are backing vocalists on at least 1 track.
The sessions featured other several guest musicians, whose names Guy did not mention yet.
Apparently, the sessions started in early 2021. Then they resumed at later part of the year, which ended in November 2021.
Those 2021 sessions were mostly Guy and Mark working on demos.
February 2022 was the continuation of the sessions with the full band there, with new member Greg Leisz, who according to Guy fit so well with the band as if he was there before.
There's probably a lot more sessions in 2022 and 2023, but they're not yet documented in the studio diary, as we still wait at this moment for part 4 of the diary.
I wonder if the album (and EP) will be a mix of different sessions or if the later sessions will prevail a whole lot more.
Oh yes, Guy also said that sometimes the first takes of songs are the best and when they do more takes they actually overdo them so.. We might have some one takes ending up on the album.
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Nice work, thank you. I would not give too much on Guy's version of "one take", as those are often on the albums but not necessarily are recognized as they still do heavy work over on them.
LE
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Am I the only one who doesn't care which take was used? Some of my favourite records have been messed about with for months in the studio!
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Good summary SlowLearner:) And I wonder if John Bratby's painting will be used on the cover:)
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Good summary SlowLearner:) And I wonder if John Bratby's painting will be used on the cover:)
Why should it? KTGC already had one?
LE
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Good summary SlowLearner:) And I wonder if John Bratby's painting will be used on the cover:)
Why should it? KTGC already had one?
LE
We wondered about this on the forum once, because a new painting of Bratby's "Watching TV" appeared in the British Grove.
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Am I the only one who doesn't care which take was used? Some of my favourite records have been messed about with for months in the studio!
You're not the only one, I hate it too. "First-take syndrome" seems to be very popular among musicians of all levels, and something they love to brag about for some reason. Even though Mark's musicians played so much and know so much they could probably record a song in their sleep, so bragging about first-take recording with musicians of this magnitude is like bragging that you are rich when you're Bill freakin' Gates.
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Am I the only one who doesn't care which take was used? Some of my favourite records have been messed about with for months in the studio!
You're not the only one, I hate it too. "First-take syndrome" seems to be very popular among musicians of all levels, and something they love to brag about for some reason. Even though Mark's musicians played so much and know so much they could probably record a song in their sleep, so bragging about first-take recording with musicians of this magnitude is like bragging that you are rich when you're Bill freakin' Gates.
Yeah, I always thought the "take one" bit at the start of You Can't Beat The House was cringeworthy.
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Am I the only one who doesn't care which take was used? Some of my favourite records have been messed about with for months in the studio!
You're not the only one, I hate it too. "First-take syndrome" seems to be very popular among musicians of all levels, and something they love to brag about for some reason. Even though Mark's musicians played so much and know so much they could probably record a song in their sleep, so bragging about first-take recording with musicians of this magnitude is like bragging that you are rich when you're Bill freakin' Gates.
Yeah, I always thought the "take one" bit at the start of You Can't Beat The House was cringeworthy.
I always found funny that "Hey... HEY" during the end of "Don't forget your hat", I always imagine the musicians falling sleep and MK shouting that to wake them up! LOL
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Just one of many MK blues songs that aren't really very good. Probably deserves its own thread...
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Just one of many MK blues songs that aren't really very good. Probably deserves its own thread...
Yeah, he is decent playing blues, but it's not his best. He's way better with folk and americana.
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Just one of many MK blues songs that aren't really very good. Probably deserves its own thread...
Yeah, he is decent playing blues, but it's not his best. He's way better with folk and americana.
I'll agree that the decision to mix some of these "unpolished" blues songs with the rest of, say, Privateering was questionable. But some of his blues songs, like Today Is Okay or Bluebird, are gorgeous. The one I really think is somewhat of a failure is Got to Have Something. This was obviously inspired by Dylan, with whom he toured back then, but it's something that Dylan and his band would have done much better. No problem, though, it's still okay to listen to, and Privateering remains a masterpiece.
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Today Guy has updated his Q&A. Suddenly I saw me and us all in the nearer future listening to the new album for the first time and thinking afterwards "so that's it? After six years? What else you've got?" :lol
I must admit my expectations are very low. If there would be one or two really good songs on it, it would be fine with me. But even about that I am sceptical.
LE
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It's a matter of attitude and how much skepticism and how much optimism we have.
GF:
The music of this year has a BIG heart.
These words can only make me happy :)
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Today Guy has updated his Q&A. Suddenly I saw me and us all in the nearer future listening to the new album for the first time and thinking afterwards "so that's it? After six years? What else you've got?" :lol
I must admit my expectations are very low. If there would be one or two really good songs on it, it would be fine with me. But even about that I am sceptical.
LE
Also my expectations, are not low, but down to earth, we know what MK is doing lately, Tracker, DTRW, that style, that mix of things is exactly what I'm expecting, and as far as I like a lot DTRW I think I'm ready to like what he delivers, lol
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ANY new material from MK excites me. Can't wait to hear what he came up with this time.
He is a king of melody and I am looking forward to hear his new melodies, even if they remind his older ones. There is always something new, be it arrangement, choice of instruments, or interesting take on lyrics.
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ANY new material from MK excites me. Can't wait to hear what he came up with this time.
He is a king of melody and I am looking forward to hear his new melodies, even if they remind his older ones. There is always something new, be it arrangement, choice of instruments, or interesting take on lyrics.
Exactly!
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ANY new material from MK excites me. Can't wait to hear what he came up with this time.
He is a king of melody and I am looking forward to hear his new melodies, even if they remind his older ones. There is always something new, be it arrangement, choice of instruments, or interesting take on lyrics.
Exactly!
I share!! I hope very soon
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ANY new material from MK excites me. Can't wait to hear what he came up with this time.
He is a king of melody and I am looking forward to hear his new melodies, even if they remind his older ones. There is always something new, be it arrangement, choice of instruments, or interesting take on lyrics.
Exactly!
MK is the king of anything BUT melody ;D
His most famous song, Sultans Of Swing, doesn't even have a melody, it's a melodyless song. I know what you meant by saying melody, but let's be precise here ;D
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SOS has a melody. It's just delivered in this Dylan-esque manner so it may be perceived as not sung but half recited like most songs on the first album. The guitar is what makes melody here.
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plenty of Mark's songs have a strong melody, mostly during his solo work
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The best MK song has a great melody: Done with Bonaparte! :lol :lol :lol :clap :P
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The best MK song has a great melody: Done with Bonaparte! :lol :lol :lol :clap :P
He seems better with the folky melodies, all the way back to Local Hero.
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The best MK song has a great melody: Done with Bonaparte! :lol :lol :lol :clap :P
He seems better with the folky melodies, all the way back to Local Hero.
Mark himself said in the early 90s he never wrote any good melodies, and of course, it's not entirely just being humble, as he compares his melodies with amazing songs like "Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain", and it's what he probably meant — singing melodies, as in not instrumental melodies. Mark doesn't have classic melodic standards like this, some writers are just more melody-driven than others, especially if you have a great singing voice.
It's probably a bit easier to write good melodies to sing if you're Paul McCartney with one of the best, versatile, wide-ranged and record-friendly voices in rock's history than if you're a mumbler like MK or Bob Dylan. Because of this, certainly with Mark's music, the last thing you think about is the melody, I can't even remember any melodies from the top of my head, to me it generally feels like spoken word anyway. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
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...than if you're a mumbler like MK or Bob Dylan...
:D
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Private Dancer, Sailing To Philadelphia, Trawlerman's Song, Postcards from Paraguay are all very melodic though, don't you think? Same as Piper To The End, Get Lucky ...
LE
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Private Dancer, Sailing To Philadelphia, Trawlerman's Song, Postcards from Paraguay are all very melodic though, don't you think? Same as Piper To The End, Get Lucky ...
LE
Indeed, but most of them are solo and probably more importantly, after he quit smoking and could actually sing.
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Private Dancer, Sailing To Philadelphia, Trawlerman's Song, Postcards from Paraguay are all very melodic though, don't you think? Same as Piper To The End, Get Lucky ...
LE
Indeed, but most of them are solo and probably more importantly, after he quit smoking and could actually sing.
Melodic, yes, but I can't imagine somebody doing a proper instrumental cover of these, as in "singing" the melody with their instruments. Again, if you compare it to some of the iconic melodies, you realise Mark's melodies fall short, despite being melodic enough. I'm not diminishing their quality or impact by any means, just comparing the melodic potential. And don't get me started on people doing an instrumental version of Sultans.
I wonder which Mark's song can be expressed through playing like this (and the answer is probably none, which would explain the absence of such covers):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggWhfu2il4s
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Too bad we only have one MK/TE song. If I remember correctly, the announcements were bigger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWwdwVolf7Y&t=1s
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Brothers in Arms would make a nice instrumental.
Why Worry also as proved by Chet Atkins.
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Too bad we only have one MK/TE song. If I remember correctly, the announcements were bigger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWwdwVolf7Y&t=1s
Forgot about that one. Mark could have come up with something much better for a duet with TE. Really poor Song and a missed Opportunity. He could have not better signaled that he was not interested in that duet the slightest. TE's story about that short few hours at British Grove confirm this from my point of view. I guess he was just as surprised and left wondering as me.
LE
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He was probably jealous that Tommy got awarded the CGP and he didn't.
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Brothers in Arms would make a nice instrumental.
Why Worry also as proved by Chet Atkins.
Well, also Metroland is pretty melodic, but the problem here is the whole melody is just too short! It's going for less than 30 seconds, so it couldn't be a song that I would call truly melodic. Its strong parts are Mark's delivery, emotion, amazing guitar playing, perfect recording quality, fine musicianship, and catchy lyrics. In other words, anything but melody, hence my opinion.
Brothers In Arms and Why Worry are good ones, yeah. Still can't put it on one level with famous melodies though. What makes Brothers In Arms work is Mark's whispering vocals and the out-of-world guitar playing which compliments the vocals perfectly. I remember Joan Baez's cover of Brothers In Arms, and how it sounds strange because it lacks the lead guitar, which ruins the whole thing in my opinion.
You see, this is the "problem" with Mark's songs. You take something out, and suddenly it's a completely different song, never standing a chance to compare with the original, even sung by great singers. And the melody has nothing to do with it. But think of something like "Fell Like Going Home", now that's a melody!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjxNZH0qIe0
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He was probably jealous that Tommy got awarded the CGP and he didn't.
Lol! I love Tommy's story of working with Mark. They basically recorded this song on the fly over a cup of coffee. By the time Tommy left the studio the same day, he already had a master tape with him, it was this fast. Makes sense since Tommy needed to continue playing his 365 shows a year, and Mark needed to continue moving microphones in his studio.
Overall, not a bad choice of song. They both sang and played guitar, it's not a cover, it's jazzy and catchy. I also wish they would do more, but if they couldn't find anything to play and never record together again, then probably for a reason. If they'd enjoy it a bunch, they would surely record more songs, right? Right? :lol
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Not necessarily, they both had their own careers to focus on. MK has done one off collaborations with lots of artists, the fact that there weren't repeats doesn't mean that he didn't enjoy it.
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Not necessarily, they both had their own careers to focus on. MK has done one off collaborations with lots of artists, the fact that there weren't repeats doesn't mean that he didn't enjoy it.
It's impossible not to enjoy playing with either TE or MK, this is not what I meant. Just lamenting the fact it's like you've said, a usual one-off collaboration. Unlike some other artists Mark collaborated with, Tommy is a musical genius who can play anything and do anything, while also having a common friend with Mark with whom they both recorded a whole album together (Chet Atkins), they could do so much more.
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plenty of Mark's songs have a strong melody, mostly during his solo work
Absolutely, and let's not forget the beautiful melodies of his film scores. Mark definitely is a Melody-Man!
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Since "Ahead of the Game" sounds like a Get Lucky song, I figured I could try and guess what the other songs may sound like. All in good fun! THESE ARE ALL JUST GUESSES, I HAVEN'T HEARD THE ALBUM I SWEAR.
1. Two Pairs Of Hands - maybe a Down the Road Wherever type tune (mix of Trapper Man and One Song At A Time)
3. Smart Money - maybe something from Sailing To Philadelphia (like Wanderlust)
4. Scavengers Yard - maybe a Privateering type tune (Yon Two Crows?)
5. Black Tie Jobs - either something like You Can't Beat The House or Rear View Mirror?
6. Tunnel 13 - the new Silvertown Blues?
7. Janine - Rear View Mirror or Imelda?
8. Watch Me Gone - the new Don't Suck Me In?
9. Sweeter Than The Rain - the new Seattle?
10. Before My Train Comes - something reminiscent of Dire Straits? Southbound Again?
11. This One’s Not Going To End Well - Kill To Get Crimson era type song?
12. One Deep River - Shangri La type song (Sucker Row?)
13. The Living End - the new Terminal of Tribute To?
14. Fat Chance Dupree - the new My Bacon Roll?
15. Along A Foreign Coast - the new Fare Thee Well Northumberland?
16. What I’m Gonna Need - the new Nobody Does That?
17. Nothing But Rain - the new Haul Away?
18. Dolly Shop Man - the new Junkie Doll?
19. Your Leading Man - the new Summer of Love?
20. Wrong 'Un - the new Daddy's Gone To Knoxville?
21. Chess - the new Pale Imitation?
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Since "Ahead of the Game" sounds like a Get Lucky song, I figured I could try and guess what the other songs may sound like. All in good fun! THESE ARE ALL JUST GUESSES, I HAVEN'T HEARD THE ALBUM I SWEAR.
1. Two Pairs Of Hands - maybe a Down the Road Wherever type tune (mix of Trapper Man and One Song At A Time)
3. Smart Money - maybe something from Sailing To Philadelphia (like Wanderlust)
4. Scavengers Yard - maybe a Privateering type tune (Yon Two Crows?)
5. Black Tie Jobs - either something like You Can't Beat The House or Rear View Mirror?
6. Tunnel 13 - the new Silvertown Blues?
7. Janine - Rear View Mirror or Imelda?
8. Watch Me Gone - the new Don't Suck Me In?
9. Sweeter Than The Rain - the new Seattle?
10. Before My Train Comes - something reminiscent of Dire Straits? Southbound Again?
11. This One’s Not Going To End Well - Kill To Get Crimson era type song?
12. One Deep River - Shangri La type song (Sucker Row?)
13. The Living End - the new Terminal of Tribute To?
14. Fat Chance Dupree - the new My Bacon Roll?
15. Along A Foreign Coast - the new Fare Thee Well Northumberland?
16. What I’m Gonna Need - the new Nobody Does That?
17. Nothing But Rain - the new Haul Away?
18. Dolly Shop Man - the new Junkie Doll?
19. Your Leading Man - the new Summer of Love?
20. Wrong 'Un - the new Daddy's Gone To Knoxville?
21. Chess - the new Pale Imitation?
Nice try whatsoever