Post by: quizzaciously on March 26, 2024, 07:02:03 PM
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Post by: MagicElliott on March 26, 2024, 11:22:09 PM
Pretty dull production, but the studio is just unbelievable. But what's with the two studio managers having a mug glued to their hand, like all the time? LOL
Maybe given Mark and Guy’s love for tea, it’s the equivalent of a work lanyard around their neck. Mark doesn’t do job interviews, he gets them to make him a cup of tea and assesses them on that.
Post by: hunter v2.0 on March 26, 2024, 11:26:13 PM
Pretty dull production, but the studio is just unbelievable. But what's with the two studio managers having a mug glued to their hand, like all the time? LOL
Maybe given Mark and Guy’s love for tea, it’s the equivalent of a work lanyard around their neck. Mark doesn’t do job interviews, he gets them to make him a cup of tea and assesses them on that.
;D
Post by: Chris W on March 27, 2024, 09:35:52 AM
Post by: quizzaciously on March 27, 2024, 11:44:42 AM
Showing off ?????
YES.
Yet another strange thing released only to collect negative comments. Just two dudes casually name-dropping various equipment. No demonstration, no Mark/Guy comments, no nothing, only two cups of coffee glued to hands and a cheesy fake Money For Nothing track in the background. And appearing on an American music store's YouTube channel for some reason. Go figure...
Post by: jbaent on March 27, 2024, 11:51:03 AM
Showing off ?????
YES.
Yet another strange thing released only to collect negative comments. Just two dudes casually name-dropping various equipment. No demonstration, no Mark/Guy comments, no nothing, only two cups of coffee glued to hands and a cheesy fake Money For Nothing track in the background. And appearing on an American music store's YouTube channel for some reason. Go figure...
Agree, the Get Lucky videos where MK and Chuck are showing the studio is far better, you see them moving in real time through the facilities, explaning everything, with musicians there (of MK's band...), seeing that videos you get an impression of how the studio is, but seeing this one, it looks like four rooms with no connection betwen them and no soul further of rooms full of cool equipment.
Post by: jbaent on March 27, 2024, 11:54:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kpskHaVnVw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm6_JJXla-k&t=130s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMhYNEjXfPk
Post by: RPK on March 27, 2024, 03:00:40 PM
Post by: Chris W on March 27, 2024, 06:18:54 PM
Sweetwater sell audio equipment. The video is about the equipment at British Grove. There is no need to have any involvement from Guy or Mark, it's for recording gear geeks, not fans of Mark or DS.
Post by: hunter v2.0 on March 27, 2024, 06:42:42 PM
Post by: Chris W on March 28, 2024, 11:02:58 AM
Yet another strange thing released only to collect negative comments.
Yeah, I think far too many things get 'negative comments' on this forum. It's just another video about British Grove. It seems like there are already behind the scenes videos at British Grove that AMIT members enjoy, so what's the problem with another video, mostly focussed on the gear?
The gear in the studio is actually exceptional, exceptional even if only 'jbaent' owned it, not Mark. An original REDD console and an EMI TG console!
Post by: jbaent on March 28, 2024, 11:12:52 AM
Yet another strange thing released only to collect negative comments.
Yeah, I think far too many things get 'negative comments' on this forum. It's just another video about British Grove. It seems like there are already behind the scenes videos at British Grove that AMIT members enjoy, so what's the problem with another video, mostly focussed on the gear?
The gear in the studio is actually exceptional, exceptional even if only 'jbaent' owned it, not Mark. An original REDD console and an EMI TG console!
Schhhhhhhhh!
Post by: quizzaciously on March 28, 2024, 11:22:52 AM
Yet another strange thing released only to collect negative comments.
Yeah, I think far too many things get 'negative comments' on this forum. It's just another video about British Grove. It seems like there are already behind the scenes videos at British Grove that AMIT members enjoy, so what's the problem with another video, mostly focussed on the gear?
The gear in the studio is actually exceptional, exceptional even if only 'jbaent' owned it, not Mark. An original REDD console and an EMI TG console!
Check the comments on YouTube. People question the annoying background music loop which is playing in the ENTIRE video, people laugh about coffee cups, complain about the lack of demonstration, etc., everything that's just repeated here on AMIT. So no, AMIT is not the negativity hub that exists solely to criticise everything MK-related. Sometimes MK-related stuff is just really strange.
And yes, I get it, it's a video intended for pros, but to be honest, it fails at this as well. If you're a pro, you already know it, if you're not a pro, they could show some specs, info on history on the screen, or be more in-depth. You're absolutely right, it's just another video on British Grove, but the way it's presented and made is just strange. I liked and shared it jest for the shots of the studio.
Post by: Mossguitar on March 28, 2024, 12:22:34 PM
Yes, you say that all the time, but in fact there is nothing on this video that is strange. Just people complaining about normal things that for some reason or the other that upsets the same four or five people (ok, maybe more, but you see what I mean). But I guess that’s the internet
Yet another strange thing released only to collect negative comments.
Yeah, I think far too many things get 'negative comments' on this forum. It's just another video about British Grove. It seems like there are already behind the scenes videos at British Grove that AMIT members enjoy, so what's the problem with another video, mostly focussed on the gear?
The gear in the studio is actually exceptional, exceptional even if only 'jbaent' owned it, not Mark. An original REDD console and an EMI TG console!
Check the comments on YouTube. People question the annoying background music loop which is playing in the ENTIRE video, people laugh about coffee cups, complain about the lack of demonstration, etc., everything that's just repeated here on AMIT. So no, AMIT is not the negativity hub that exists solely to criticise everything MK-related. Sometimes MK-related stuff is just really strange.
And yes, I get it, it's a video intended for pros, but to be honest, it fails at this as well. If you're a pro, you already know it, if you're not a pro, they could show some specs, info on history on the screen, or be more in-depth. You're absolutely right, it's just another video on British Grove, but the way it's presented and made is just strange. I liked and shared it jest for the shots of the studio.
Post by: RPK on March 28, 2024, 12:24:43 PM
Post by: quizzaciously on March 28, 2024, 01:09:03 PM
Check the comments on YouTube. People question the annoying background music loop which is playing in the ENTIRE video, people laugh about coffee cups, complain about the lack of demonstration, etc., everything that's just repeated here on AMIT. So no, AMIT is not the negativity hub that exists solely to criticise everything MK-related. Sometimes MK-related stuff is just really strange.Yes, you say that all the time, but in fact there is nothing on this video that is strange. Just people complaining about normal things that for some reason or the other that upsets the same four or five people (ok, maybe more, but you see what I mean). But I guess that’s the internet
And yes, I get it, it's a video intended for pros, but to be honest, it fails at this as well. If you're a pro, you already know it, if you're not a pro, they could show some specs, info on history on the screen, or be more in-depth. You're absolutely right, it's just another video on British Grove, but the way it's presented and made is just strange. I liked and shared it jest for the shots of the studio.
Correct! Some people are obviously more critical than others, and I notice a lot of stuff that could be done better. Sweetwater is a 1.5 billion dollar corporation, they can do better stuff for their almost 1M (one million!) subscribers channel. Imagine no annoying background music on this video, imagine double the length, imagine more of the "tour" as in walking in the studio rather than staying in one room, or more details. Would it make the video better? You bet it would! Hence my (and others) comments. We want better stuff, period. Nothing wrong with that.
Would rather see footage of the studio then no footage at all
That's a problematic approach to me, as, again, Sweetwater are a giant corporation and Mark's studio is a state-of-the-art studio, you expect better stuff from them. Granted, no questions for the studio here as they are generous with their time and the time of their workers, it's what happens behind the scenes is that matters. British Grove is not Abbey Road and they don't have the expertise and experience to do studio tours, it doesn't mean all you need to do is slap a fake "Knopfler sound" music and ask random gear questions. Typical, shallow music store content.
Post by: Chris W on March 28, 2024, 02:35:50 PM
Check the comments on YouTube. People question the annoying background music loop which is playing in the ENTIRE video, people laugh about coffee cups, complain about the lack of demonstration, etc.,
Yes, Youtube comments are often mostly negative too - who knew????
And yes, I get it, it's a video intended for pros, but to be honest, it fails at this as well. If you're a pro, you already know it
Very, very few pros are watching Sweetwater videos on Youtube. The audience for music audio videos on Youtube is 75% hobbyists at best.
Anyway, had I never been to British Grove I would have watched it and marvelled at the gear. I don't need to know the spec or hear it in action. The EMI consoles are so rare (REDD and TG) it's just interesting to see two of them in use in one studio.
I honestly can't fathom all the moaning and criticism. There are plenty of Knopfler centric videos for those who want them, this is just a few minutes out of your day to check out the gear in a well equipped London studio.
Post by: Chris W on March 28, 2024, 02:37:36 PM
Typical, shallow music store content.
I would just say "get a life". Because life is too short to get so outraged about a few minutes long video showcasing some off the gear in a studio.
Post by: Pottel on March 28, 2024, 06:05:03 PM
It's hardly showing off if it's not their gear.gotta agree here.
Sweetwater sell audio equipment. The video is about the equipment at British Grove. There is no need to have any involvement from Guy or Mark, it's for recording gear geeks, not fans of Mark or DS.
does not change the fact that it is boring as eff for non-gear-geeks
Post by: TJ on March 28, 2024, 06:12:54 PM
Typical, shallow music store content.
I would just say "get a life". Because life is too short to get so outraged about a few minutes long video showcasing some off the gear in a studio.
They don't call us "Get-a-lifers" for nothing!
Post by: jbaent on March 28, 2024, 09:29:04 PM
Typical, shallow music store content.
I would just say "get a life". Because life is too short to get so outraged about a few minutes long video showcasing some off the gear in a studio.
This is a fan forum, and a fan forum is a place where fans gather to talk about whatever related to the main reason of existence of the forum and where all the members are allowed to express their opinions about whatever topic that may surface.
Get a lifer is another word for fan.
And we are proud of it.
Whoever who has a problem with what is a forum, the door opens and close.
Post by: quizzaciously on March 28, 2024, 09:54:23 PM
Typical, shallow music store content.
I would just say "get a life". Because life is too short to get so outraged about a few minutes long video showcasing some off the gear in a studio.
This is a fan forum, and a fan forum is a place where fans gather to talk about whatever related to the main reason of existence of the forum and where all the members are allowed to express their opinions about whatever topic that may surface.
Get a lifer is another word for fan.
And we are proud of it.
Whoever who has a problem with what is a forum, the door opens and close.
The funniest part about it all is that I'm such a hardcore get-a-lifer, that I haven't even watched this video to the end, I just scrolled it after a few minutes and got a rough picture (you don't need to sit through all 22 minutes to understand it).
Life IS too short to watch videos that are made with minimal attention to detail, and certainly, life is too short to fight on forums over a mediocre studio documentary.
"Life is very short, and there's no time for fussing and fighting, my friend."
Post by: Banjo99uk on March 29, 2024, 02:15:39 AM
Post by: Mossguitar on March 29, 2024, 02:36:37 AM
Well, Chris and others just express their opinions, which should be allowed in a fan forum. So no reason to point at the door.Typical, shallow music store content.
I would just say "get a life". Because life is too short to get so outraged about a few minutes long video showcasing some off the gear in a studio.
This is a fan forum, and a fan forum is a place where fans gather to talk about whatever related to the main reason of existence of the forum and where all the members are allowed to express their opinions about whatever topic that may surface.
Get a lifer is another word for fan.
And we are proud of it.
Whoever who has a problem with what is a forum, the door opens and close.
Post by: Love Expresso on March 29, 2024, 09:23:41 AM
Chris is purely factual and pragmatic orientated and participates in several forums with the aim of getting and exchanging information and facts. No place for humour, hanging-around and worthless speculative talk about MK/DS as he is no "fan".
AMIT though is a place where fans hang around like in a pub and chatter and speculate with a very high nerd/geek factor. (And then there is Quizzaciously who triggered Chris from Day One.) AMIT is not what Chris is used to find in a music forum (which AMIT isn't) and Chris with his pure pragmatism isn't what AMITERS are used to find at their place.
The key word here is "fan". Maybe we should keep in mind that fans are biased and because of that there is always potential for fights and disagreement. I think it is perfectly fine with both views and we should be able to get along in a civilized way. I for my part love to read Chris' posts and find they are a valuable contribution. Just my two cents.
LE
Post by: Chris W on March 29, 2024, 10:00:17 AM
My main point is, soooo much negativity all the time.
I'm also a professional in the music industry. I make videos for Youtube. I kind of do it as a service. They take a few days to make each one and I make zero income from them, not even costs. It's not easy to make them and I don't have the energy to make them super slick like a Rick Beato. It's not earning me any income.
Youtube is an incredible resource though. I watch videos everyday - whether it's old concert footage, or a tutorial by a well known record producer, or someone doing a drum cover.
I can't think of a single reason to criticise a free video featuring a couple of Mark's employees showing you the gear in his studio.
They can't use Mark's music, it would cost thousands to license and if not cleared the video would get a copyright strike. No one in their right mind would mind some DS style library music as a background to some footage of mark's incredible studio gear.
I've worked at British Grove and while it is arguably the best equipped studio in London, it is not a holy site, or dripping with mojo, especially as Mark is hardly ever there. It is a very high end professional facility where people go to work.
At least if you are a 'fan', look on the positive side, be glass half full, don't always look for ways to drag things down into negativity.
Post by: Mossguitar on March 29, 2024, 10:26:06 AM
If I may be allowed to say so:I think you are wrong and overgeneralizing. As I recall, AMIT was buildt on freedome of expression. Let people argue and go on. Everyone in here are real AMITERS and they are quite diverse. And welcome. Just don’t tell fellow amiters what they mean or how they are.
Chris is purely factual and pragmatic orientated and participates in several forums with the aim of getting and exchanging information and facts. No place for humour, hanging-around and worthless speculative talk about MK/DS as he is no "fan".
AMIT though is a place where fans hang around like in a pub and chatter and speculate with a very high nerd/geek factor. (And then there is Quizzaciously who triggered Chris from Day One.) AMIT is not what Chris is used to find in a music forum (which AMIT isn't) and Chris with his pure pragmatism isn't what AMITERS are used to find at their place.
The key word here is "fan". Maybe we should keep in mind that fans are biased and because of that there is always potential for fights and disagreement. I think it is perfectly fine with both views and we should be able to get along in a civilized way. I for my part love to read Chris' posts and find they are a valuable contribution. Just my two cents.
LE
Post by: Love Expresso on March 29, 2024, 10:30:17 AM
LE
Post by: quizzaciously on March 29, 2024, 10:55:38 AM
So when I see a piece of work, unless it's a renowned masterpiece (even if it is, so what? It doesn't mean it's perfect) or a famous person's quote, I wonder how you can do it better. If the answer is "You absolutely can't", well, my congratulations then, you have achieved perfection. But usually, and I always validate it by asking various people or analysing discussions, flaws are inevitable. It's just sometimes they outshine the thing in question, and sometimes doesn't. The comments section is THE BEST part about social media, and often they are more interesting than the post itself. Gotta LOVE commentators with valuable input, negative or not.
Can't use Mark's music? Well, how about no music at all then? Rick Beato's Abbey Road Tour is a good example of how to do a studio tour:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HtA-vvXTKo
Post by: jbaent on March 29, 2024, 02:08:22 PM
Well, Chris and others just express their opinions, which should be allowed in a fan forum. So no reason to point at the door.Typical, shallow music store content.
I would just say "get a life". Because life is too short to get so outraged about a few minutes long video showcasing some off the gear in a studio.
This is a fan forum, and a fan forum is a place where fans gather to talk about whatever related to the main reason of existence of the forum and where all the members are allowed to express their opinions about whatever topic that may surface.
Get a lifer is another word for fan.
And we are proud of it.
Whoever who has a problem with what is a forum, the door opens and close.
If you have problems with what a fan forum is, it is very clear you need the door as, also very clearly, a fan forum is not the place to be for you, unless you like to suffer what a fan forum is. This is a free world.
Post by: Mossguitar on March 29, 2024, 02:43:13 PM
The world you are describing is not a free world. A free world is a place for free discussion for everyone, not only for the ones you have decided that fit in from your personal definition of what a fanforum is. Noone here have a problem with what a fan forum is, and even if they had, their opinions should be welcome. We should discuss people arguments or statements, not disqualify their oplinions because of who they are.Well, Chris and others just express their opinions, which should be allowed in a fan forum. So no reason to point at the door.Typical, shallow music store content.
I would just say "get a life". Because life is too short to get so outraged about a few minutes long video showcasing some off the gear in a studio.
This is a fan forum, and a fan forum is a place where fans gather to talk about whatever related to the main reason of existence of the forum and where all the members are allowed to express their opinions about whatever topic that may surface.
Get a lifer is another word for fan.
And we are proud of it.
Whoever who has a problem with what is a forum, the door opens and close.
If you have problems with what a fan forum is, it is very clear you need the door as, also very clearly, a fan forum is not the place to be for you, unless you like to suffer what a fan forum is. This is a free world.
Post by: Chris W on March 29, 2024, 02:45:25 PM
If you have problems with what a fan forum is, it is very clear you need the door as, also very clearly, a fan forum is not the place to be for you,
Great. Funny that fans are placed above actual band members, and negativity is preferred over reality.
That's fine by me.
Post by: Chris W on March 29, 2024, 02:49:23 PM
The comments section is THE BEST part about social media
Really? Most quality YouTubers don't take part in the comments. A lot of YouTubers have complained about the toxic comments they receive. The comments section is regarded as the worst thing about Youtube by the people who make the content. Rick Beato replies to a small number of comments he receives in the first few hours after posting a video, then never returns. generally the comments then become a free for all of bickering.
I know YouTubers who 'don't allow' comments.
Post by: jbaent on March 29, 2024, 03:06:43 PM
If you have problems with what a fan forum is, it is very clear you need the door as, also very clearly, a fan forum is not the place to be for you,
Great. Funny that fans are placed above actual band members, and negativity is preferred over reality.
That's fine by me.
Negativity?
Freedom of speech means that if you see a video and you don't like it, you are allowed to say you don't like it as far as you explain why, it's your opinion and is as valid as anyone opinion, including professional musicians or ex band members, this is a fans forum, so a place for fans to express themselves, there is no rule that forces you to only speak if you have a positive opinion.
Post by: jbaent on March 29, 2024, 03:10:18 PM
The world you are describing is not a free world. A free world is a place for free discussion for everyone, not only for the ones you have decided that fit in from your personal definition of what a fanforum is. Noone here have a problem with what a fan forum is, and even if they had, their opinions should be welcome. We should discuss people arguments or statements, not disqualify their oplinions because of who they are.Well, Chris and others just express their opinions, which should be allowed in a fan forum. So no reason to point at the door.Typical, shallow music store content.
I would just say "get a life". Because life is too short to get so outraged about a few minutes long video showcasing some off the gear in a studio.
This is a fan forum, and a fan forum is a place where fans gather to talk about whatever related to the main reason of existence of the forum and where all the members are allowed to express their opinions about whatever topic that may surface.
Get a lifer is another word for fan.
And we are proud of it.
Whoever who has a problem with what is a forum, the door opens and close.
If you have problems with what a fan forum is, it is very clear you need the door as, also very clearly, a fan forum is not the place to be for you, unless you like to suffer what a fan forum is. This is a free world.
And this is not something I'm doing so I don't understand what you mean.
Here you can express yourself freely, so people complaining about people being negative, seems to me that they don't get the point that freedom of speech means you can be positive or negative, while people complaining about others being negative seems that only wants positive to be allowed, and tgats not freedom of speech.
And if you don't like to be in a freedom place, you can use the door and being back a to a safer word if freedom makes you suffer so much. Or you can stay and keep moaning about people expressing with freedom.
Post by: Robson on March 29, 2024, 03:22:04 PM
If you have problems with what a fan forum is, it is very clear you need the door as, also very clearly, a fan forum is not the place to be for you,
Great. Funny that fans are placed above actual band members, and negativity is preferred over reality.
That's fine by me.
Negativity?
Freedom of speech means that if you see a video and you don't like it, you are allowed to say you don't like it as far as you explain why, it's your opinion and is as valid as anyone opinion, including professional musicians or ex band members, this is a fans forum, so a place for fans to express themselves, there is no rule that forces you to only speak if you have a positive opinion.
I don't have to explain why I don't like it. If I have to, it's no longer freedom :)
Post by: jbaent on March 29, 2024, 03:27:44 PM
If you have problems with what a fan forum is, it is very clear you need the door as, also very clearly, a fan forum is not the place to be for you,
Great. Funny that fans are placed above actual band members, and negativity is preferred over reality.
That's fine by me.
Negativity?
Freedom of speech means that if you see a video and you don't like it, you are allowed to say you don't like it as far as you explain why, it's your opinion and is as valid as anyone opinion, including professional musicians or ex band members, this is a fans forum, so a place for fans to express themselves, there is no rule that forces you to only speak if you have a positive opinion.
I don't have to explain why I don't like it. If I have to, it's no longer freedom :)
You don't have to.
You can to, if you want.
That's freedom.
Nobody forces you to tell anything if you don't like it, but if you want, you can. It's always up to your choice.
And nobody has the right you can't say whatever you want because is negative. There are no rules about only positive opinions are allowed. They can express their opinion to, of course, and say they don't like your opinion is negative, but they are not more right than the ones they have a negative opinion. All opinions are welcome.
In the end, being negative about negative opinions is being negative as well.
Welcome to the darks side, hahahaha
Post by: Robson on March 29, 2024, 03:30:01 PM
If you have problems with what a fan forum is, it is very clear you need the door as, also very clearly, a fan forum is not the place to be for you,
Great. Funny that fans are placed above actual band members, and negativity is preferred over reality.
That's fine by me.
Negativity?
Freedom of speech means that if you see a video and you don't like it, you are allowed to say you don't like it as far as you explain why, it's your opinion and is as valid as anyone opinion, including professional musicians or ex band members, this is a fans forum, so a place for fans to express themselves, there is no rule that forces you to only speak if you have a positive opinion.
I don't have to explain why I don't like it. If I have to, it's no longer freedom :)
You don't have to.
You can to, if you want.
That's freedom.
Nobody forces you to tell anything if you don't like it, but if you want, you can. It's always up to your choice.
And nobody has the right you can't say whatever you want because is negative. There are no rules about only positive opinions are allowed. They can express their opinion to, of course, and say they don't like your opinion is negative, but they are not more right than the ones they have a negative opinion. All opinions are welcome.
In the end, being negative about negative opinions is being negative as well.
Welcome to the darks side, hahahaha
And here I completely agree.
Post by: quizzaciously on March 29, 2024, 03:43:33 PM
The comments section is THE BEST part about social media
Really? Most quality YouTubers don't take part in the comments. A lot of YouTubers have complained about the toxic comments they receive. The comments section is regarded as the worst thing about Youtube by the people who make the content. Rick Beato replies to a small number of comments he receives in the first few hours after posting a video, then never returns. generally the comments then become a free for all of bickering.
I know YouTubers who 'don't allow' comments.
Can't agree here as well. Commenters can point out mistakes that weren't obvious to the creator no matter how hard they worked on the video. This happened to creators with millions and tens of millions of subscribers. In my 18 years on YouTube, I witnessed first-hand videos re-uploaded, edited, and taken down because of that. And commenters can (often) provide some insights into the topic like somebody in the comment section of the video from the original post said he recorded strings in Mark's studio, it happens all the time.
Can't even start talking about all these comments with stories of ordinary people underneath music videos of popular songs. Stories of grief, happiness, tragedies, laughter and tears. You can write a whole book about these. Luckily, YouTube has a rating system so the best comments are always at the top. You've got the best jokes, best observations, and most cry-inducing stories there. And yes, sometimes the comment section is even better than the post itself.
It's funny that I can't agree almost with everything you say. However, "I disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.”
Post by: quizzaciously on March 29, 2024, 04:05:44 PM
If you have problems with what a fan forum is, it is very clear you need the door as, also very clearly, a fan forum is not the place to be for you,
Great. Funny that fans are placed above actual band members, and negativity is preferred over reality.
That's fine by me.
So reality can only be positive according to you? I just can't understand the logic. This trolling is beyond my kung fu I'm afraid! ;D
Post by: rmarques821 on March 29, 2024, 04:25:05 PM
This forum is a haven to me, a place were people care about the same things as I do. My friends and family don't even pretend to care, not even to make me feel seen.Yeah. For example, I come in here all the time to criticize Mark's choice of footwear. Now that's negativity! ;D
My impression is the same as pointed out by many others, and which I thught was understood, is that before we had facts, we think, discuss and speculate. I have never read anything here of real significance
that have been wrong. We are chatting, not knocking eachother in the head claming to have facts. We may be negative, yes we probably are and I love it. We ususally live in peace, until somebody comes in and tell us how to behave. Oh, were are that person who accused this page of being all sunshine :lol
The comment about the video being crap would probably pass as an *opinion* and forgotten, until one single person pointed out how horrible is was to say so
Post by: Mossguitar on March 30, 2024, 08:02:16 AM
Free speach is not a right to say what you want without being contradicted. When people express their disagreement, they are not limiting free speach, they are exercising free speach.
The purpose of free speach is not free speach itself, but the argument and the disagreement. The goal is truth.
So it’s a democratic tool too seek truth through arguments. Free speach only works if disagreement is allowed and feels safe, both sosially, psychologically and legally.
Free speach has to apply to all to work. It does not apply to all if not all opinions are welcome. Ways of limiting free speach is to ridicule, exclude or punish.
So let people disagree with you. Let people argue. If someone means that things are too positive or negative here, just argue or shut up. They are not saying that it’s not allowed to be positive or negative or whatever, just expressing theirselves. Don’t show them the door or tell them how stupid they are (in different suptle or obvious ways) or exclude them from the argument by telling them that they are not real AMITERS, fans or give other reasons to show that their opinions count less.
Ok, sorry about that, guys. Now, lets cut the crap, be nice and have fun!! (And yes, speculation is fun.)