A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2013 Privateering World Tour => Topic started by: Holger_MK on October 24, 2013, 09:43:04 AM
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Does anybody know anything about this??? :hmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjV8zIohKqI
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Does anybody know anything about this??? :hmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjV8zIohKqI
Apparently Scottsdale is in Arizona, so maybe they did a private gig in the last few days - a warm-up maybe? :think :hmm
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A warm-up including Sultans? That would be strange. Maybe a sponsor paid a lot for a little birthday gig...
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Mark Knopfler Scottsdale
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Venue: Dodge Theatre
Address: 400 W. Washington St.
Phoenix, AZ, 85003
Phone: 877-598-6671
Web: http://www.scottsdale.com/calendar/Mark+Knopfler?EventID=12129&EventTimeID=4148191
Songwriter and guitarist, Mark Knopfler is one of the most enduring, respected and original figures in modern music. Well-known as front man for the eternally popular Dire Straits, Knopfler made his first impact with hits such as 'Sultans Of Swing' and 'Money For Nothing,' the song that helped immortalize the phrase "I Want My MTV." Among his landmark albums are 'Brothers In Arms,' 'On Every Street' and 'Sailing to Philadelphia.' An accomplished and respected producer and performer, he has worked with the likes of Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Randy Newman, Chet Atkins, Emmylou Harris and scores of others. Knopfler is touring behind his latest solo album titled, 'Get Lucky.'
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"Knopfler is touring behind his latest solo album titled, 'Get Lucky.' "
"Get Lucky" ? :hmm ???
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And now I want to know the full setlist of the show... ::)
EDIT: think I found another interesting setlist.. September 27th: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/mark-knopfler/2013/bridport-arts-centre-bridport-england-7bc702b4.html
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Seems that Brothers is played too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rkPP5g4H44
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Best BIA in years. Seems like a great gig, whatever it was for.
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Agree. I've asked Guy about the gig, hope I get an answer.
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Agree. I've asked Guy about the gig, hope I get an answer.
Sultans wasn't bad either (from the small part we got).
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I did notice a small mistake in Sultans but maybe because he's stopped playing it. On the other hand it sounds very 'fresh' to me.
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I did notice a small mistake in Sultans but maybe because he's stopped playing it. On the other hand it sounds very 'fresh' to me.
A little one but I'll overlook such tiny things if he plays it! ;) Different if it was a more noticeable one.
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Agree. I've asked Guy about the gig, hope I get an answer.
I'm very skeptical about this gig. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Was it a joke or something? I hope Guy answer too. :)
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Well its not the complete band ,Jim, Mike and John are not present.
I want this sorted out >:( :hmm
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Hi
i respect that Mark doesnt want to play sultans anymore. But i hate the fact, that if he gets enough money for some private gig he will play it. and looks like he still enjoy playing it..
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I agree with you on this!!!
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Small setlist, played by request. The tour set list expresses his own will. Seems questionable but I quite understand. When you agree for a job you take requests, when you do it for you you set the list. If I photograph a wedding, I will take photos that the couple requests on site. When I do nude, landscape street or whatever I set the rules.
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Small setlist, played by request. The tour set list expresses his own will. Seems questionable but I quite understand. When you agree for a job you take requests, when you do it for you you set the list. If I photograph a wedding, I will take photos that the couple requests on site. When I do nude, landscape street or whatever I set the rules.
And when it's a nude wedding (kidding, just kidding)? :lol
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Small setlist, played by request. The tour set list expresses his own will. Seems questionable but I quite understand. When you agree for a job you take requests, when you do it for you you set the list. If I photograph a wedding, I will take photos that the couple requests on site. When I do nude, landscape street or whatever I set the rules.
And when it's a nude wedding (kidding, just kidding)? :lol
We had a nude wedding
There was a preacher and a neighbor or two
I gave my golden thing a gold wedding ring
Then the both of us said 'no'
:hmm :hmm :hmm ;D
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Hi
i respect that Mark doesnt want to play sultans anymore. But i hate the fact, that if he gets enough money for some private gig he will play it. and looks like he still enjoy playing it..
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Small setlist, played by request. The tour set list expresses his own will. Seems questionable but I quite understand. When you agree for a job you take requests, when you do it for you you set the list. If I photograph a wedding, I will take photos that the couple requests on site. When I do nude, landscape street or whatever I set the rules.
And when it's a nude wedding (kidding, just kidding)? :lol
No nude weddings so far! How tempting! :) I would probably take so many photos that I would cover any request! Nudists however are seeing things quite differently, so probably there would be limits.
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Small setlist, played by request. The tour set list expresses his own will. Seems questionable but I quite understand. When you agree for a job you take requests, when you do it for you you set the list. If I photograph a wedding, I will take photos that the couple requests on site. When I do nude, landscape street or whatever I set the rules.
And when it's a nude wedding (kidding, just kidding)? :lol
No nude weddings so far! How tempting! :) I would probably take so much photos that I would cover any request! Nudists however are seeing things quite differently, so probably there would be limits.
Greek weddings etiquette: nude is not allowed, to break dishes is mandatory
And trying to get back on track, I hope MK never to be booked to a nude gig!
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MK has said Before that he'll take pretty much amy money on offer to subsidize
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I still dont like Mk doing private shows for money, it doesn't fit with the image I have of Mk.
So if he is offered big money to reunite Ds he will say no, money can't buy me, but if its for a private Mk concert playing the Ds songs, its an ok, no problem.
Dont like it. But Hes free to do what he wants, he earned that right.
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Sold out. If you want the good songs you've got to be a millionaire VIP. >:(
A band without Mike and McCusker - YES!!!
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Sold out. If you want the good songs you've got to be a millionaire VIP. >:(
A band without Mike and McCusker - YES!!!
I will swap one of them (Mike) for Nigel.
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Sold out. If you want the good songs you've got to be a millionaire VIP. >:(
A band without Mike and McCusker - YES!!!
I will swap one of them (Mike) for Nigel.
:thumbsup
Keep John for the violin/fiddle bits.
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Sold out. If you want the good songs you've got to be a millionaire VIP. >:(
A band without Mike and McCusker - YES!!!
unfortunately I think like you
:disbelief :disbelief :disbelief :disbelief :disbelief :disbelief :disbelief
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Sold out. If you want the good songs you've got to be a millionaire VIP. >:(
A band without Mike and McCusker - YES!!!
Disagree! :disbelief The band without Mike and John would be much the poorer! So many songs would be lifeless without them.
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I understand your comments about playing hits for money. However, I think that Mark did the gig because the time was right, kind of rehersal for the tour but of course some Dire Straits songs (supposing that there were not that many Knopfler fans in the audience). And, of course it is nice to get some money from that kind of event (to cover expenses of so called nowadays luxury tour life).
Silvertown
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And now I want to know the full setlist of the show... ::)
EDIT: think I found another interesting setlist.. September 27th: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/mark-knopfler/2013/bridport-arts-centre-bridport-england-7bc702b4.html
Check out this topic if you want to know about the event on September 27th
http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php/topic,3268.msg73479.html#msg73479
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Here is a little video of sultans... :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjV8zIohKqI
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Sold out. If you want the good songs you've got to be a millionaire VIP. >:(
And by "good" songs you mean DS songs? :think
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Best BIA in years. Seems like a great gig, whatever it was for.
So true! A really great version!
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Sold out. If you want the good songs you've got to be a millionaire VIP. >:(
And by "good" songs you mean DS songs? :think
LOL
+1
My point was that the Ds songs are for when someone pays for it :lol
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Bahhh! You people! I think this is the definition of addiction. Wanting the same things over and over again!
He always has the right to say yes or no, for either private gigs or for tours or even for reunions. But he also knows that when he says yes, he has to take requests, for all three cases! If his tours were met with indifference and he saw half empty places, he would probably think of bringing back some DS songs, or quit touring altogether, or play smaller venues if it is economically viable...
I know it sounds weird (anybody coins for the word ethics, here?) but it hardly the case. He is proud for his older songs but the purpose of a tour is to please the audience AND promote the most current work. Now that he has more records as MK than DS, it would be peculiar to play the old songs and bury the new ones. Some more old songs have to go, since a new double record is out (in America quite recently) The purpose of a private gig is to play his famous songs. Let's not jump to conclusions. After all he offers so much and yet we can never be pleased. (I know I am, and I have only seen him just once live in 2008).
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Leaves me wondering, if you pay enough, will you even get songs he hasn't played live ever during his solo carreer, the entire Love over Gold album for example?
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Hugo,nice idea, let's all of us fans get together and raise the money to do so. I would have done it alone if I had the money and of course invite all of you!
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Guy doesn't mention this show in his diary. He jumps from the rehearsals to the Long Beach show.
Interesting he hides this private concert. He would be annoyed when finds we know about it.
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Sold out. If you want the good songs you've got to be a millionaire VIP. >:(
And by "good" songs you mean DS songs? :think
Obviously! The ones where he has to play guitar on instead of having us listen to some folk musicians instead. Part, if not all of the MK/DS sound (and what makes him so great) is the unique guitar/vocal combo and having Mike and John disrupting that so much really annoys me.
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Sold out. If you want the good songs you've got to be a millionaire VIP. >:(
And by "good" songs you mean DS songs? :think
Obviously! The ones where he has to play guitar on instead of having us listen to some folk musicians instead. Part, if not all of the MK/DS sound (and what makes him so great) is the unique guitar/vocal combo and having Mike and John disrupting that so much really annoys me.
That doesn't mean that MK solo songs are not "good" songs! Quite the opposite, they are extremely good songs. In fact some of my favourite songs don't have very much guitar in them at all - it's more the song that counts for me these days! Maybe it's because he is older and has had to adjust to his fingers not being so nimble as when he was younger, but that's inevitable due to age! It also means that he has looked to the future and has written songs that will enable him to carry on with his career longer. I applaud him! :clap
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Obviously! The ones where he has to play guitar on instead of having us listen to some folk musicians instead. Part, if not all of the MK/DS sound (and what makes him so great) is the unique guitar/vocal combo and having Mike and John disrupting that so much really annoys me.
That doesn't mean that MK solo songs are not "good" songs! Quite the opposite, they are extremely good songs. In fact some of my favourite songs don't have very much guitar in them at all - it's more the song that counts for me these days! Maybe it's because he is older and has had to adjust to his fingers not being so nimble as when he was younger, but that's inevitable due to age! It also means that he has looked to the future and has written songs that will enable him to carry on with his career longer. I applaud him! :clap
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I agree that they aren't not good songs (if that makes any sense :hmm) but surely the ace in Mark's hand is his guitar playing? That is something unique and separates him from anybody else, so does his rough, low key vocal delivery. This combination has always been his stock in trade and what has turned on millions of people to the MK sound. Without this unique, and I repeat unique combination he would be nothing. With it he is brilliant. Add on his songwriting ability and he's a superhero! But when if he totally stopped playing guitar do you honestly think he would still be selling albums and touring on his vocal and songs alone? :)
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Obviously! The ones where he has to play guitar on instead of having us listen to some folk musicians instead. Part, if not all of the MK/DS sound (and what makes him so great) is the unique guitar/vocal combo and having Mike and John disrupting that so much really annoys me.
That doesn't mean that MK solo songs are not "good" songs! Quite the opposite, they are extremely good songs. In fact some of my favourite songs don't have very much guitar in them at all - it's more the song that counts for me these days! Maybe it's because he is older and has had to adjust to his fingers not being so nimble as when he was younger, but that's inevitable due to age! It also means that he has looked to the future and has written songs that will enable him to carry on with his career longer. I applaud him! :clap
I agree that they aren't not good songs (if that makes any sense :hmm) but surely the ace in Mark's hand is his guitar playing? That is something unique and separates him from anybody else, so does his rough, low key vocal delivery. This combination has always been his stock in trade and what has turned on millions of people to the MK sound. Without this unique, and I repeat unique combination he would be nothing. With it he is brilliant. Add on his songwriting ability and he's a superhero! But when if he totally stopped playing guitar do you honestly think he would still be selling albums and touring on his vocal and songs alone? :)
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I don't expect he will ever give up the guitar completely - I never said that, but he will eventually have to adapt his songs, due to the inevitable fact that he is getting older and his fingers won't be the same as they were when he was in his 30's and I see this happening with recent albums more and more!
I just feel fortunate to be still seeing MK perform. The last tour was fantastic and I hope he will be still around for a few more tours. I am a fan and hope I will be a fan for a very, very long time - until one of us falls over! ;D Meanwhile I am not wasting time and energy wishing for things that aren't likely to happen! I'm just thankful for what we've got right now! :)
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Hugo,nice idea, let's all of us fans get together and raise the money to do so. I would have done it alone if I had the money and of course invite all of you!
vgonis, I love the fundraising idea. I'm good at it. Been doing it for years for my kids' schools. If we could get a bunch of dedicated MK fans together, organize a private gig, then we should be able to get MK to play what we want to hear. TOL for me. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Leaves me wondering, if you pay enough, will you even get songs he hasn't played live ever during his solo carreer, the entire Love over Gold album for example?
All the songs from the LOG Album have been played live!!! :clap
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Agree. I've asked Guy about the gig, hope I get an answer.
Waiting for the answer........ :think
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OK sweetsurrender! Maybe we should put this to boil a bit. :) Of course it is next to imposiible, because we will never agree on the exact location of the event. And democracy doesn't work in such cases. I mean who can afford the expenses to fly away from home and spend 2-3 days abroad? Not the majority, I am afraid. Anyway, if any super rich fan in this site would care to cheap in, I am game!
I think that I get dmg's train of thought. I guess if we are to strip MK of his guitar playing (his strong asset) and of his voice (his identifiable but not so strong asset) we have nothing left. A physical presence is simply not enough. Maybe, like Billy Joel, he will compose musical pieces and let others interpret them. But it will not be the same. But I am growing old and I really don't care about these things as I used to. Play or not play.
After all we have Joan Baez or Metallica that can sing BiA.
http://youtu.be/zJeNPS2tLdA
http://youtu.be/NfPxU88Qqkg
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I think that I get dmg's train of thought. I guess if we are to strip MK of his guitar playing (his strong asset) and of his voice (his identifiable but not so strong asset) we have nothing left. A physical presence is simply not enough. Maybe, like Billy Joel, he will compose musical pieces and let others interpret them. But it will not be the same. But I am growing old and I really don't care about these things as I used to. Play or not play.
After all we have Joan Baez or Metallica that can sing BiA.
http://youtu.be/zJeNPS2tLdA
http://youtu.be/NfPxU88Qqkg
vgonis - I wasn't expecting that MK would not play guitar at all, or not sing with that very beautiful, warm voice, rather that when his fingers eventually get a bit stiff, due to old age, he will still play beautiful melodies for us, just as he does now, but probably not the long intricate solos that we were accustomed to! ;)
BTW I didn't realise that you were so old! I had in my mind a young flibbertigibbet in his 30s! ;D It's me who is the really old one, so, of course, I am completely comfortable about anything MK decides to do, except that he keep playing for us and writing beautiful songs! :)
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BTW I didn't realise that you were so old! I had in my mind a young flibbertigibbet in his 30s! ;D It's me who is the really old one, so, of course, I am completely comfortable about anything MK decides to do, except that he keep playing for us and writing beautiful songs! :)
We all know Val that you are the youngest one on here (in spirit). 8)
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:smack
I know, I know, too much brain cells burnt for this matter. ;)
Older. Well older than yesterday is what we are all going to be, except the ones that are meeting the choir invisible today. ::)
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Flibbertigibbet is a Middle English word referring to a flighty or whimsical person, usually a young woman. In modern use, it is used as a slang term, especially in Yorkshire, for a gossipy or overly talkative person.
Really??? ;D
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Flibbertigibbet is a Middle English word referring to a flighty or whimsical person, usually a young woman. In modern use, it is used as a slang term, especially in Yorkshire, for a gossipy or overly talkative person.
Really??? ;D
Oh well, that certainly isn't you, vgonis, but it could be ME - but only the part about being from Yorkshire - and perhaps being over-talkative, but definitely not gossipy or flighty and most of all not young, unfortunately! ;D
BTW It was just a word plucked randomly from the air! I wasn't sure of the meaning, but it sounded good! It could easily have been whippersnapper, but that wouldn't have fitted either! ;D I was too lazy to check the meaning! ::)
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Leaves me wondering, if you pay enough, will you even get songs he hasn't played live ever during his solo carreer, the entire Love over Gold album for example?
First of all, we would take sometime to sort out the exact setlist we would love to hear. In portuguese, there is a dito that says "cada cabe
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In Spain we say "Opinion is like an ass, everybody has one"
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The comments on Youtube, posted by the uploader, said:
"He was hired for? a private corporate event, 10.22.13. Scottsdale AZ"
Saul
ps..I will dig further
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Agree. I've asked Guy about the gig, hope I get an answer.
Waiting for the answer........ :think
The silence from Guy is deafening! ;) :think
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Leaves me wondering, if you pay enough, will you even get songs he hasn't played live ever during his solo carreer, the entire Love over Gold album for example?
All the songs from the LOG Album have been played live!!! :clap
I know, but I was talking about MK's solo tours, with four out of five songs not being played live. And it was just and example ;)
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In Spain we say "Opinion is like an ass, everybody has one"
Ass as in donkey? Does everyone in Spain have a donkey? :o
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In Spain we say "Opinion is like an ass, everybody has one"
Ass as in donkey? Does everyone in Spain have a donkey? :o
Hohooo ;D ;D
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In Spain we say "Opinion is like an ass, everybody has one"
Ass as in donkey? Does everyone in Spain have a donkey? :o
Hohooo ;D ;D
Hehehe. Actually, we have the same expression here.
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I thought it was a Clint Eastwood phrase!
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Apparently Guy didn't even post my question :think
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Apparently Guy didn't even post my question :think
If it was a private gig then he may not be at liberty to give away any information about it. :think Pity.
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He can publish the question without answer.
Maybe they rather dont talk about that money for nothing shows
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I thought it was a Clint Eastwood phrase!
I heard it first in an Eastwood film. Maybe one of the Dirty Harry films?
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About the private gig,
Can it be that it was for some people from UMG, Marks new record company in the US?
UMG's Headquarter is settled in Santa Monica, California!!!!!.......Ok a six hour drive by car to Scottsdale,AZ. (But with a private jet :think)
So for those who wondered ...why Mark toured the west coast and not the east coast and why Guy can not answer that question.....think twice :lol
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That reminds me of the Harvey Kaitel character in Pulp Fiction...
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I thought it was a Clint Eastwood phrase!
I heard it first in an Eastwood film. Maybe one of the Dirty Harry films?
It was..."The Dead Pool" from 1988
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I've also asked Guy about the private gig and he did not post my question but he did send me a email with his answer:
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I am contractually obliged to keep quit. In the current economic climate, it's prudent for billionaires to keep their lavish party spending under wraps. G.
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I think we should resepct this and ask him no more questions about this. I think we can compare this private gig to the Landrover gig last year and the setlist will be pretty much the same........
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billionaire's in Scottsdale?...gonna check...
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one of these i guess...
http://www.azcentral.com/business/arizonaeconomy/articles/20130304forbes-billionaires-list-arizonas-billionaires-photos.html?nclick_check=1
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Sorry Pottel the link does not work but i think it could be anayone. It does not have to be a rich person from Scottsdale.
The gig was in Scottsdale but that does not mean the person who payd for it is from Scottsdale..... ::)
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I received a mail as well on the 24th. Quite kind of him to send an email why he can't post anything about it, and I respect and understand that!
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Indeed a mysterious event..
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A band without Mike and McCusker - YES!!!
Hail to that! :clap
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Sorry Pottel the link does not work but i think it could be anayone. It does not have to be a rich person from Scottsdale.
The gig was in Scottsdale but that does not mean the person who payd for it is from Scottsdale..... ::)
This may mean that the person is famous... :think
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MK admitted a while back that he takes pretty much any money now to subsidise tour costs. Give him a break. Records don't sell much amy more, his ticket prices are lower than most, he doesn't need to gig or record, just be pleased he's still out there.
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Nobody said we aren't happy that he's still touring:-)
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Dont ask questions, when theres nothing in the bank, gonna feed the kids and put the diesel in the tank
You have to pay what its owned
Get your, money for nothing, and your "cheques" for free
I love Mk's integrity when he says he doesn't play Sultans, or Money for nothing because he doesn't feel like playing them, but thats just because I am not billionaire.
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Some photos:
http://www.peculiarplanet.com/mark-knopfer/ (http://www.peculiarplanet.com/mark-knopfer/)
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MK admitted a while back that he takes pretty much any money now to subsidise tour costs. Give him a break. Records don't sell much amy more, his ticket prices are lower than most, he doesn't need to gig or record, just be pleased he's still out there.
I just recall about this:
http://www.guyfletcher.co.uk/index.php/page/Forum?search=abramovich&Submit=Search (http://www.guyfletcher.co.uk/index.php/page/Forum?search=abramovich&Submit=Search)
Someone might tell Roman that the window is open since it can subside tour costs, and maybe recording costs for some records and tours... As long as it remains private, isn
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jbaent, it hurts, I know because I get what you say, but I get MK's decision as well. If we ever have so much money we might think differently as well. Until then we might as well point our attention to social inequalities as expressed in our everyday life. And as Guy so innocently concluded: Let it go. :wave
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I've also asked Guy about the private gig and he did not post my question but he did send me a email with his answer:
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I am contractually obliged to keep quit. In the current economic climate, it's prudent for billionaires to keep their lavish party spending under wraps. G.
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I think we should resepct this and ask him no more questions about this. I think we can compare this private gig to the Landrover gig last year and the setlist will be pretty much the same........
It has nothing to do with the Range Rovers gig. Mk just signed a deal with Range Rover, using their cars for his tours, and as an endoser.
This billionaires just paid money for nothing and cheques for free to have our hero playing for them. Or are they endorsing in any way MK and band (besides paying money) like Phillips did between 1985 and 1992, or Range Rover this last tour?
I agree with Dusty and with Vgonis, the best thing is forget about it and let it all go, but when you think MK is rich, that he cancelled shows in Russia for political reasons etc etc etc, this private gigs... Doesnt fit.
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jbaent, it hurts, I know because I get what you say, but I get MK's decision as well. If we ever have so much money we might think differently as well. Until then we might as well point our attention to social inequalities as expressed in our everyday life. And as Guy so innocently concluded: Let it go. :wave
I think what some of us are angry/frustrated by are that MK will still play things like Sultans and BIA (and seemingly pretty well too) at corporate events and private gigs but not for people like you and I who have bought his albums and concert tickets for years. We are the hardcore element and for Guy to say things like: "he doesn't want to play it any more" or "we play what we want" sounds more like arrogance and just doesn't wash with me any more. I just know that I'm not rich or important enough to hear the songs I really want to hear. :(
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It does bother me that money can buy Mark's time and talent, especially when I think of how so many of us have waited years and years for a handshake/picture etc and have walked away empty handed. But I also realize that the world doesn't spin on love and fresh air - there are inequalities all around us and its no point lingering on this any more.
I'm just happy to have one more opportunity to see Mark tonight in Oakland, thanks to some incredibly kind fans who made it possible. You guys are incredible!
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Have a great time tonight singhv and everyone else at the final gig! :wave
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This billionaires just paid money for nothing and cheques for free to have our hero playing for them. Or are they endorsing in any way MK and band (besides paying money) like Phillips did between 1985 and 1992, or Range Rover this last tour?
I agree with Dusty and with Vgonis, the best thing is forget about it and let it all go, but when you think MK is rich, that he cancelled shows in Russia for political reasons etc etc etc, this private gigs... Doesnt fit.
You won't find the really rich in any lists like Forbes-Top100-b******t, or something like that.
Doesnt fit.
You' re absolutely right about it. And if he'd cancel shows for political reasons there'd be no place in the world he could play....cough nsa
cough
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I understand that the musicians that MK hires, and the people who is needed for his tours costs loads of money, I dont know if the ticket sales are enough (I guess so as he did many solo tours...) to cover all those costs, but if not, I
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I'm gonna buy a lottery ticket this friday..... :hmm
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Doesnt fit.
You' re absolutely right about it. And if he'd cancel shows for political reasons there'd be no place in the world he could play....cough nsa
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Thats one of the reasons I didnt agree with cancelling the Russian shows either.
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:think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GO5WN1rxQs
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I don't mind sharing opinions. Freedom of speech is a given right. I just think that we should consider some facts, or at least give the benefit of a doubt. Apart from a public figure and an artist, he is a man and it is unfair to throw mud. Afterall, he is supposed to be our favourite artist. There is probably a very good reason, apart from money, but even if it is about money there is no way we can tell why. I think the point is made, is understood, it may be harsh, but...
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He must have done it because of money, or because the US promotor said so.
But I am sure we had much better gigs, you read in Guy's diary how they loved the interaction with the fans
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All I know is that we spent less words about all his charity work.....................
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All I know is that we spent less words about all his charity work.....................
We did... About the charity work with the billionaires ;D ;D ;D
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LOL Jbaent;D
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I mean all he charity for real diseases , like child cancer, not industrial diseases.
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I remember a news report from 2008 in Newcastle with a boy called Bradley. It's on YouTube I believe. So it isn't all money indeed.
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I would not be against listening MFN played live again.
I respect Mark decision not to perform it because he donesn't feel to do it. But doing it only on occasion reserved for "corporate" or "billionaire" audience is something that get me somewhat an "uncool" feeling toward it.
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I would not be against listening MFN played live again.
I respect Mark decision not to perform it because he donesn't feel to do it. But doing it only on occasion reserved for "corporate" or "billionaire" audience is something that get me somewhat an "uncool" feeling toward it.
:thumbsup
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I mean all he charity for real diseases , like child cancer, not industrial diseases.
He donates money from each of his RAH gigs to six different charities. :) He might even have done so on this occasion - we don't know the facts.
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I would not be against listening MFN played live again.
I respect Mark decision not to perform it because he donesn't feel to do it. But doing it only on occasion reserved for "corporate" or "billionaire" audience is something that get me somewhat an "uncool" feeling toward it.
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This is what irks most of us I believe and not any other details about it (like the making money to help finance the tour aspect). It also makes me wonder why he cancels concerts in Russia because of his principles and yet abandons them on occasions like these and plays the old classics...
I also don't think we should bring his excellent charity work into the equation as that isn't the point here. :)
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"I also don't think we should bring his excellent charity work into the equation as that isn't the point here."
Why not? There are both sides to an equation and it is only fair to talk about his charitable work too! We know nothing about this gig, except that it was private and for a billionaire. MK would have made money, but what he does with it is his own affair - maybe he did donate it to a charity, or maybe he used it to finance the very short tour. It's really not any of our business.
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"I also don't think we should bring his excellent charity work into the equation as that isn't the point here."
Why not? There are both sides to an equation and it is only fair to talk about his charitable work too! We know nothing about this gig, except that it was private and for a billionaire. MK would have made money, but what he does with it is his own affair - maybe he did donate it to a charity, or maybe he used it to finance the very short tour. It's really not any of our business.
The point I was making was regarding the songs he was playing and that he abandoned his principles for these gigs by playing songs he says, in Guys words: "he doesn't want to play any more" on tour. I stuck to the facts as we know them with no speculation. :)
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"I also don't think we should bring his excellent charity work into the equation as that isn't the point here."
Why not? There are both sides to an equation and it is only fair to talk about his charitable work too! We know nothing about this gig, except that it was private and for a billionaire. MK would have made money, but what he does with it is his own affair - maybe he did donate it to a charity, or maybe he used it to finance the very short tour. It's really not any of our business.
The point I was making was regarding the songs he was playing and that he abandoned his principles for these gigs by playing songs he says, in Guys words: "he doesn't want to play any more" on tour. I stuck to the facts as we know them with no speculation. :)
Yes, of course I see your point! Ingrid is right though - they probably had far better gigs! ;)
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"I also don't think we should bring his excellent charity work into the equation as that isn't the point here."
Why not? There are both sides to an equation and it is only fair to talk about his charitable work too! We know nothing about this gig, except that it was private and for a billionaire. MK would have made money, but what he does with it is his own affair - maybe he did donate it to a charity, or maybe he used it to finance the very short tour. It's really not any of our business.
+1 :thumbsup
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Talking about charities...
I rather see MK calling Eric Clapton and telling him "Hey Eric, do you remember that charity gig at the RAH we agreed to do in 2003, but had to cancel because of my bike accident? What if we take a look to our agendas and we do it next year?" than doing this "Its not my bussiness shows for billionaires"
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I completely understand people being upset about MK doing this gig and I felt the same way too, but honestly I am not going to lose sleep over something that I know very little about and that I can't change anyway - it's futile and a waste of time and energy! ;) I'd rather he gets on with making that new album and arranging the next tour so we'll all be happy....... :think
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OK, not a new perspective, but pay attention because I think it is the one closer to the heart of the matter.
We barely know MK the man. But we think we do, because of his charity, interviews etc.
We know MK the artist, but only the final work. Not the creative procedure, the business side of it, etc, but we think we do, because he has revealed slices of it in various occassions.
So, when he dicides and states that some songs are not to be played anymore, it is his artistic decision. The bulk of the fans like us should understand. Not his motives (have been discussed though), nor his deeper feelings (thankfully not speculated yet), but his decision. Understanding means respecting his artistic decision not to play the songs as part of an artistic statement, that influences his work and the concerts as an EXPERIENCE. In short, this is not the experience he likes to share with his fans and listeners anymore.
And here comes the "playing requests for money" issue. Suppose that he is in need of money in order to afford the COMMUNICATION in the form of concerts with his huge fanbase. Suppose that somebody comes along, with no interest in his artistic vision, but just as a musician to play older hits with the additional bonus of being the composer and original performer. Both get what they want.
I would feel lucky to be in a big concert because there, he actually plays what he really wants and shares it with the people who love it and understand it. And if he takes up the "request" gigs in order to make the concerts happen we should be proud and honoured.
By the way who really does exactly what he likes in his everyday life or work?
Since when we quit our jobs because the job we are doing does not exactly fits the job description?
And if art is the only true form of expresion and as such the only absolute describing the meaning of the word freedom, don't you like to share what exactly the artist likes to share? Would you rather be paying him to play your requests? Or maybe by paying a ticket you think that you participate in such a scheme.
Do you ask from actors to play their famous roles again and again after 40 years? Do you think that by asking for older material all the time isn't diminishing for his newer songs? And anyway is there a point in saying the same thing over and over again? Point taken, there is logic in it, but we do not see the whole picture, we don't know all the facts, and surely from what we can see there is also logic on the other side. We just tend to weight ours more.
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I would feel lucky to be in a big concert because there, he actually plays what he really wants and shares it with the people who love it and understand it. And if he takes up the "request" gigs in order to make the concerts happen we should be proud and honoured.
:thumbsup
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I would feel lucky to be in a big concert because there, he actually plays what he really wants and shares it with the people who love it and understand it. And if he takes up the "request" gigs in order to make the concerts happen we should be proud and honoured.
:thumbsup
That's all fine and good if the songs played at the concerts on tour happen to be the ones you like personally. I think everyone on here knows my preference for the DS numbers over things that McCusker and McGoldrick play on tour these days. :)
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That's personal DMG, I am happy with what he plays and if I want to hear DS I try take the dvd.
I totally agree with Vgonis, we had the better concerts.
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That's personal DMG, I am happy with what he plays and if I want to hear DS I try take the dvd.
Or The Straits.
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OK, not a new perspective, but pay attention because I think it is the one closer to the heart of the matter.
We barely know MK the man. But we think we do, because of his charity, interviews etc.
We know MK the artist, but only the final work. Not the creative procedure, the business side of it, etc, but we think we do, because he has revealed slices of it in various occassions.
So, when he dicides and states that some songs are not to be played anymore, it is his artistic decision. The bulk of the fans like us should understand. Not his motives (have been discussed though), nor his deeper feelings (thankfully not speculated yet), but his decision. Understanding means respecting his artistic decision not to play the songs as part of an artistic statement, that influences his work and the concerts as an EXPERIENCE. In short, this is not the experience he likes to share with his fans and listeners anymore.
And here comes the "playing requests for money" issue. Suppose that he is in need of money in order to afford the COMMUNICATION in the form of concerts with his huge fanbase. Suppose that somebody comes along, with no interest in his artistic vision, but just as a musician to play older hits with the additional bonus of being the composer and original performer. Both get what they want.
I would feel lucky to be in a big concert because there, he actually plays what he really wants and shares it with the people who love it and understand it. And if he takes up the "request" gigs in order to make the concerts happen we should be proud and honoured.
By the way who really does exactly what he likes in his everyday life or work?
Since when we quit our jobs because the job we are doing does not exactly fits the job description?
And if art is the only true form of expresion and as such the only absolute describing the meaning of the word freedom, don't you like to share what exactly the artist likes to share? Would you rather be paying him to play your requests? Or maybe by paying a ticket you think that you participate in such a scheme.
Do you ask from actors to play their famous roles again and again after 40 years? Do you think that by asking for older material all the time isn't diminishing for his newer songs? And anyway is there a point in saying the same thing over and over again? Point taken, there is logic in it, but we do not see the whole picture, we don't know all the facts, and surely from what we can see there is also logic on the other side. We just tend to weight ours more.
Artistic intengrity would have prevented him to play these tunes even for billionaire. This is the second time in a few years. Now I know that Mark has finally a price to play the stuff he doesn't feel to play. That is the morality of these corporate/billionaire gigs.
I am happy with what he plays and if I want to hear DS I try take the dvd.
Watching a DVD is far from being the same experience as being in the house with the man performing in front of you...
They are just substitute.
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Talking about charities...
I rather see MK calling Eric Clapton and telling him "Hey Eric, do you remember that charity gig at the RAH we agreed to do in 2003, but had to cancel because of my bike accident? What if we take a look to our agendas and we do it next year?" than doing this "Its not my bussiness shows for billionaires"
Oh yes, doing that cancelled charity gig with Eric Clapton will be great!