#07 DTRW TOUR - May 05 2019 - Navarra Arena, Pamplona, Spain #SPOILER#

[dmg]

I agree with dmg

So do I.  He knows what he's talking about!

[quizzaciously]

The artist owes the fan nothing in terms of creative process

Absolutely, but the show isn't as much about creating something, but rather about organising and directing something. You take the right group of people, you take the good setlist (haha), you play great venues and with the right audience it works 100%. When I went to Paul McCartney's show in 2011, nobody, and I mean—nobody has complained about the setlist, because it was a great tribute to Paul's legacy (with him actually paying to perform his own songs) and mixture of some new tunes and almost 40 songs in total. Imagine the variety!

Mark has a reputation of bringing extremely long songs on tour. WAM, Romeo — 10 minutes, Telegraph Road — 15 minutes and so on. With songs that long, the setlist is expected to contain carefully selected and rehearsed songs, with every new addition feeling like New Year, and sure enough it's so refreshing to hear different songs. Mark has the shortest setlist in history with the longest songs in history and this is to me the key too all the problems...

[Robson]

Mark Knopfler, David Gilmour, Paul McCartney, etc. Comparisons ... The road to nowhere ... Each artist is different and sees his concert differently. The basic question is: does the artist give concerts to satisfy yourselves or the audience... 

[Robson]

http://guyfletcher.co.uk/5th-may-2019-pamplona/

[herlock]

Not sure how to interpret this answer on Guy's forum:

By: vr46mk
Categories: Tour
May 5, 2019
Why do you skip Telegraph Road, one of the songs fans want to hear the most… SLQ or not, at least think about this.. very important song for most of us.

Good luck in France!
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We do

[superval99]

My Bacon Roll

[superval99]

Not sure how to interpret this answer on Guy's forum:

By: vr46mk
Categories: Tour
May 5, 2019
Why do you skip Telegraph Road, one of the songs fans want to hear the most… SLQ or not, at least think about this.. very important song for most of us.

Good luck in France!
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We do

We do (think about it)   

[quizzaciously]

Mark Knopfler, David Gilmour, Paul McCartney, etc. Comparisons ... The road to nowhere ... Each artist is different and sees his concert differently. The basic question is: does the artist give concerts to satisfy themselves or the audience... 

It's both... To me it's funny that Mark always brings a group of not the best musicians, but a group of outstanding musicians and force them to play same songs for 20 odd years. They can play absolutely anything from Olé, Olé, Olé to Giant Steps, but Mark chooses to play Done With Bonaparte again (for instance).

It's also funny how he always name the tour after the album (it doesn't have to be that way, somebody please say to Mark the tour isn't always have to be associated with the album and contain 100 shows). He calls it New-Album-Tour and plays 2-3 of most unexpected songs from that album! What kind of marketing is that?

Anyway, if it's all right with you, then yes, we're all crazy and can't really complain about anything. Everything's all right.

[Jasper90]

Not sure how to interpret this answer on Guy's forum:

By: vr46mk
Categories: Tour
May 5, 2019
Why do you skip Telegraph Road, one of the songs fans want to hear the most… SLQ or not, at least think about this.. very important song for most of us.

Good luck in France!
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We do

We do (think about it)   

That is also how I read it . Maybe they are really talking and still deciding what to do.  Still fingers crossed, hopefully it will be back .

Lets hope he did mean it in a way like: Yeah we do think about it... its out!

With WAM back and if TR would come back, I would be very, very happy with this setlist! 

[vr46mk]

Not sure how to interpret this answer on Guy's forum:

By: vr46mk
Categories: Tour
May 5, 2019
Why do you skip Telegraph Road, one of the songs fans want to hear the most… SLQ or not, at least think about this.. very important song for most of us.

Good luck in France!
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We do

We do (think about it)   

That is also how I read it . Maybe they are really talking and still deciding what to do.  Still fingers crossed, hopefully it will be back .

Lets hope he did mean it in a way like: Yeah we do think about it... its out!

With WAM back and if TR would come back, I would be very, very happy with this setlist! 

Agree 101%

[Knopflerfan]

There may be no formula for writing songs like Mark, but if you want to do tours like Mark, do the following:

1. You and me Richard, Good Luck
2. Pick songs with long outros to let the musicians jam along some sort of vamp for as long as possible
3. Pick songs you already rehearsed for previous tours, but which got rejected for some reason
4. From the new album take songs which literally nobody expects to hear live and
5. Take the most unexpected song from #4 and make it an opener
6. Pick songs based on difficulty level, despite the fact that you have Richard the Good Luck who can play anything including solos and already did that with songs like 5:15 a.m. and the first part of Telegraph Road
7. Have a dedicated percussion player in the band, but give the cowbell to flutist
8. Play half of the show while sitting, despite the fact that in 2010 you played the whole show while sitting and nobody has complained

Bonus tracks:

1. Throw away a 15-minutes song that a lot of people wants to hear and replace it with nothing
2. Change the opener from date to date for no apparent reason

You don't like his touring decisions, I get it, that's fine. So don't pay for it then, don't go.

It is what it is, I just don't get all the griping. Do you think mark is going to come on here and suddenly have an epiphany because of your critique? Hardly likely.

I think you only criticise when you care, perhaps too much.  I know I do.  I don't want to see Mark go around the world performing shows that don't showcase how he can play.  I don't want this to be the legacy he leaves.  If he cannot perform a "proper" show I would have rather he had taken on a few shows on a UK tour or perhaps not toured at all - there's no shame in that.  I've forgiven him so many things, so many songs being dropped or stripped down but now there's nothing left to the shows.

It's not just a case of don't go when you've been listening since you were at primary school, collecting every available bootleg, going to umpteen shows since DS days - it's been a huge part of my life.  Just don't go?  This is what I don't think Mark gets.  There is no option for me (and many others) about whether I'm going or not and yet he just doesn't care.

I stand by my comment that fans are being short changed if some are getting longer shows than others and hearing TR while others aren't, while others will be subject to airport curfews and whatever that will bring to their show.  Whether that is down to bad planning and PCM or not is really irrelevant because it's been happening tour after tour and Mark doesn't mind.

@Quizzy: Love that list!

I agree. At least be fair to all fans on all different venues, have an average setlist of 16? And not 14 like some had last tour... Do they remember FAIR Admission? They should start Fair Setlist Admission   

Sorry but I really think you're missing the point.

Here we are again, stood behind the maestro, telling him what to paint, how to paint it, what colour to use, and how long to paint for. You may as well go watch DSL!

The false sense of entitlement shown on here is at best unfortunate as the artist owes the fan nothing in terms of creative process.

I think you are missing one of my points by suggesting I see DSL if you don't mind me saying so. 

I take point with people saying he owes us nothing.  It is the fan buying his records and concert tickets over the years that allows him his own recording studio, fancy guitars, equipment and ability to make the records he makes today. We buy the tickets for this tour and we should have a setlist with at least some expectations.  I don't think it's too much to ask.  I would rather he didn't tour at all than leave this as his final set because it's very sad for me personally. 

No offence but I don't find the painter analogy realistic.

 
MOVING ON.........

[hunter]

I understand "We do" to mean "We do know it's an important song for the fans, and we do take this into consideration when it is necessary to leave it out".

[qjamesfloyd]

My Bacon Roll

Thanks Val. This is sounding really good live, can't wait to hear it on my official download. What about that gorgeous blue Pensa? the look and sound is wonderful.

[jbaent]

I agree with dmg

So do I.  He knows what he's talking about!

Sometimes... 

[enrkaton82]

Have just arrived home after the Pamplona Show

Best MK concert i have been (seen only 2013-2015 and yesterday)

They did not played TR (my personal favourite, must say) and you know what?

I didn´t missed TR at all because it was an incredible show. I was just well feed. I had enough with the 2.10h show, with MK in great form (despite his physical struggles), some surprises: Heart Full of Holes (one of my all time favs, not only by MK, but also in general "I think i´ll retire..."), Silvertown (we have been praying for that for 18 years), On Every Street (just incredible. I´m not embarrassed to say that i was very emotional), a reborn WHY AYE MAN (incredible way to start, with 9 mins of music that sum up the MK musical concept, the "transatlantic blues", Sailing ( it´s back! one of the key songs of the solo career), ONCE UPON A TIME (When all we were assuming that MK is not able to bring any surpriese... WHAM! a wet dream come true), Lastest Trick (yes, studio version is better, but live is algo great. And audience response is great because is a song that means much to lots of people. Many memories by now...), Matchstick Man (plain incredible... The best thing that nowadays-MK can give to us) , MFN (proving that he still can blow up amps again, melting the concrete walls of the arena with the thickier tone that he has in his weapondry. He used to could, but... Still can rock and blow off the ceiling!) and of course Going Home (that one must be OBLIGATORY by law in all his shows). This is the best band MK has had, playing their butts off, with lost of energy and passion. This time, the Macs (folkies) had not all the time in the sun they had last tours, but in that way, show was more eclectic: Celtic, jazz, blues, funk (Stevie Wonder Superstition meets JJ Cale), rock (truly!), band-moments, shining solo parts, shiny MK solo parts, roots music, eighties hits, solo classics, solo new ones, hidden gems,  MK in a very good mood (physically was very tired), but he talked a lot between songs and really put a effort to lead the ship.

I see that there is lot of frustration in AMIT because the absence of certain songs. My advice: It´s not worthy to get anger and blame for these things. At this time of the life it is not necesary.  Things looks different from the heat of the moment. It is not the same to enter in setlist fm and see the list than living it "inside your flesh". Into the arena (no Schenker pun intended) you see the whole thing from a different perspective: That´s when you really realize that MK puts a lots of effort nowadays and he gave us a lot yesterday, but also is giving a lot this tour and he also has been giving a lot during the last 42 years...

My advice: Don´t waste your illusion in a blind rage because a song that already had his lifetime conpleted (sad but true, we have to recognise it and make up our minds. The circle is now completed). Telegraph Road (1983-2015) has arrived to the end of the river. You must put your feet on the ground and be realistic. To be honest, since 2008-2010, every MK album, show, tour, OST, musical... has been a gift. A gift for all the fans. We must gather all we can while we still can.

in order to sum up, if you are hesitating about attending to a 2019 MK show, i reccomend you to go. Just go. Don´t feel insecure or bitter about the lack of the 15th song (there´s still 16-17 songs to hear) Just go. Don´t let bitter domine you. Just go.  Won´t be dissapointed.