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Author Topic: Concert #14:2011.10.25, SAP Arena, Mannheim, DE, # SPOILER AHEAD #  (Read 47422 times)

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Re: Concert #14:2011.10.25, SAP Arena, Mannheim, DE, # SPOILER AHEAD #
« Reply #60 on: October 26, 2011, 12:08:51 PM »
On this tour, whether people here like it or not, Dylan is the headliner and Mark is the support act.  I don't say this is right or wrong and I don't say it as a judgement on their respective abilities, strengths or weaknesses. And I'm not passing an opinion. It is simply a statement of fact. That's how the tour came about and that's how it was set up.

It is to Mark's credit that he agreed to do the tour, knowing that he would be the support act when it is self-evident that he could headline any tour of his own.

Maybe, Mark's appearance in Dylan's set at Bournemouth was a trial to see how it would work out. If so, then it obviously went well enough for both of them to want to continue the arrangement and build on it.

Playing with Dylan is not straightforward. For a start, even though he's only done 14 shows so far and is mostly doing 14 songs a night, he has already included 42 different songs in his sets. Here they are, as compiled by John Baldwin, with the number of times each has been played so far:-

Leopard Skin Pill-Box Hat (14)
Highway 61 Revisited (14)
Thunder On The Mountain (14)
Ballad Of A Thin Man (14)
Like A Rolling Stone (14)
All Along The Watchtower (14)

Things Have Changed (11)

Tangled Up In Blue ( 8 )

Honest With Me (7)
A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall (7)

Summer Days (6)
Desolation Row (6)

Blind Willie McTell (5)
Forgetful Heart (5)

High Water (For Charley Patton) (4)
Tryin' To Get To Heaven (4)
The Levee's Gonna Break (4)
Don't Think Twice, It's All Right (4)
Spirit On The Water (4)

Not Dark Yet (3)
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue (3)
Love Sick (3)
It Ain't Me, Babe (3)

Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues (2)
Simple Twist Of Fate (2)
Watching The River Flow (2)
Beyond Here Lies Nothin' (2)
Can't Wait (2)
Make You Feel My Love (2)
Mississippi (2)

The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carroll
Cold Irons Bound
Visions Of Johanna
Nettie Moore
Shooting Star
Man In The Long Black Coat
This Wheel's On Fire
I'll Be Your Baby Tonight
Jolene
Forever Young
Workingman's Blues #2
John Brown


Note that "John Brown", as performed at Mannheim with Mark on guitar, was making its first appearance on the tour. It's an old Dylan song, not on any of his old Columbia Records albums and never performed live for decades but then resurrected in recent years - and not one of his best songs, in my view, but that's another issue. For Mark, it was unlikely to have been a song with which he was particularly familiar, though some might suggest otherwise.

So that's the first difficulty, the number of songs and unfamilliarity with some of them. The second is that, for Dylan, any rehearsed arrangement is rarely fixed. He doesn't always stick to it: keys change, words change, verses are swapped around, harmonica pops up in different places and so on. This is why his band watch him so carefully because it's their job to keep up with him, whatever he does and whereever he goes. I can even recall a show where Dylan has wandered off-stage for a while in the middle of the song and the band just had to play on until he reappeared. It's not disrespect on Dylan's part, it's living with the moment. Sometimes it works wonderfully and, other times, it does not. For Mark, it cannot have been straightforward.

I guess that the guitarist in Dylan's band to whom you refer is Charlie Sexton:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Sexton

« Last Edit: October 26, 2011, 12:37:19 PM by twm »

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Re: Concert #14:2011.10.25, SAP Arena, Mannheim, DE, # SPOILER AHEAD #
« Reply #61 on: October 26, 2011, 12:28:39 PM »
Guy never stops to state that, too. I have no problem with that, once understood it is ok. I think (and we talked about it Sunday in the Irish Pub) that it might be easier for Bob to do just 90 minutes, but selling out greater arenas with a full programm, so Mark is indeed just support. But the guy is 71, 72 (?) years old, so I cannot blame him for NOT playing two full hours every night.

Goldenheart, if I have not missed it (and I obviously missed a few things during the last days) I have not read a line from you about Mark's set?  ;) Just curious, how was it, did you like it? Would be nice to have a nice little well written review from you!  ;D

LE

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Re: Concert #14:2011.10.25, SAP Arena, Mannheim, DE, # SPOILER AHEAD #
« Reply #62 on: October 26, 2011, 12:54:50 PM »
Would be nice to have a nice little well written review from you!  ;D

HAHAHAHA! Ouch ...

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Re: Concert #14:2011.10.25, SAP Arena, Mannheim, DE, # SPOILER AHEAD #
« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2011, 01:06:47 PM »
Does it actually state that MK is the support act in any official material like posters etc.  Although it is Bob's tour I was under the impression it was a double-headliner and MK went on first simply because (as Guy said on his forum) "somebody has to."
"I'm playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order."

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Re: Concert #14:2011.10.25, SAP Arena, Mannheim, DE, # SPOILER AHEAD #
« Reply #64 on: October 26, 2011, 01:09:26 PM »
Do we know Mark's setlist?
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But we live in different ones

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Re: Concert #14:2011.10.25, SAP Arena, Mannheim, DE, # SPOILER AHEAD #
« Reply #65 on: October 26, 2011, 01:26:17 PM »
Does it actually state that MK is the support act in any official material like posters etc.

Though it doesn't say "support act", "warm up act" and the like, I guess the "plus" in the poster below is indicative of how things are viewed:


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Re: Concert #14:2011.10.25, SAP Arena, Mannheim, DE, # SPOILER AHEAD #
« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2011, 01:39:10 PM »
Would be nice to have a nice little well written review from you!  ;D

HAHAHAHA! Ouch ...

Don't you think this is getting a little old??
Mark's set was fab, he was in great form and I thoroughly enjoyed it. If you want to read my official review, you have to buy my newspaper. I'm certainly not going to publish it here after all that's happened. Call me humour-less, but that's the way I see it (pun intended).

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Re: Concert #14:2011.10.25, SAP Arena, Mannheim, DE, # SPOILER AHEAD #
« Reply #67 on: October 26, 2011, 01:43:59 PM »
Thanks!

LE

(I might add that my pun was NOT intended, but I have always trouble with this very british term. So I was just asking seriously for some well written review by somebody who does it also on a professional base. Never mind. There are a lot of reviews available since they are in Germany.)
« Last Edit: October 26, 2011, 01:55:24 PM by Love Expresso »

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Re: Concert #14:2011.10.25, SAP Arena, Mannheim, DE, # SPOILER AHEAD #
« Reply #68 on: October 26, 2011, 01:56:57 PM »
Would be nice to have a nice little well written review from you!  ;D

HAHAHAHA! Ouch ...

Don't you think this is getting a little old??
Mark's set was fab, he was in great form and I thoroughly enjoyed it. If you want to read my official review, you have to buy my newspaper. I'm certainly not going to publish it here after all that's happened. Call me humour-less, but that's the way I see it (pun intended).




Come oooooooooooooooooooooon Goldenheart96

 ;)
PS/ I want to read it, but I dont speak german, and your newspaper is so far away from me  ;D
You might get lucky, now and then

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Re: Concert #14:2011.10.25, SAP Arena, Mannheim, DE, # SPOILER AHEAD #
« Reply #69 on: October 26, 2011, 02:06:24 PM »
Goldenheart, you being a lady writer,  :disbelief maybe we could have the review as a ... communique?  :disbelief  :disbelief

Nah, plain news will do just fine.  :disbelief  :disbelief  :disbelief

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Re: Concert #14:2011.10.25, SAP Arena, Mannheim, DE, # SPOILER AHEAD #
« Reply #70 on: October 26, 2011, 02:11:04 PM »
Does it actually state that MK is the support act in any official material like posters etc.

Though it doesn't say "support act", "warm up act" and the like, I guess the "plus" in the poster below is indicative of how things are viewed:


So the answer is NO. :)
"I'm playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order."

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« Last Edit: October 26, 2011, 02:20:37 PM by marky49 »

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Re: Concert #14:2011.10.25, SAP Arena, Mannheim, DE, # SPOILER AHEAD #
« Reply #72 on: October 26, 2011, 02:37:26 PM »
Quote StraitJacket.

I'm pleased for all you guys that are getting to see Mark playing with Bob, I really am.
It boils my blood tho'. It should have been like that throughout the tour. It's another reason that I think people visiting the tour earlier on have been totally ripped off.
I've a real bitter taste in my mouth from all of this.
Sorry, but I can't help how I feel about it.

I AGREE!!!! >:( >:(
I can see why its turned out like this, but I can only afford the one show,
(Nottingham), and of course they only did their seperate shows.
I so wish, not that there's any guarantee, that I'd booked one of the London
shows, but of course, at the time of booking, they weren't even available.

Cheers. BBB
And a crowd of young boys they're fooling around in the corner
Drunk and dressed in their best brown baggies and their platform soles.

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Re: Concert #14:2011.10.25, SAP Arena, Mannheim, DE, # SPOILER AHEAD #
« Reply #73 on: October 26, 2011, 02:38:59 PM »
Come on Goldenheart, we are here to share our experiences.

We write our review here.

Don't let the bad vibes spoils the party...

You would be the best of us and we couldn't enjoy your style?

And in the end, the love you get is equal to the love you give
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« Last Edit: October 26, 2011, 03:08:23 PM by ds1984 »
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Re: Concert #14:2011.10.25, SAP Arena, Mannheim, DE, # SPOILER AHEAD #
« Reply #74 on: October 26, 2011, 02:50:22 PM »
Quote StraitJacket.

I'm pleased for all you guys that are getting to see Mark playing with Bob, I really am.
It boils my blood tho'. It should have been like that throughout the tour. It's another reason that I think people visiting the tour earlier on have been totally ripped off.
I've a real bitter taste in my mouth from all of this.
Sorry, but I can't help how I feel about it.

I AGREE!!!! >:( >:(
I can see why its turned out like this, but I can only afford the one show,
(Nottingham), and of course they only did their seperate shows.
I so wish, not that there's any guarantee, that I'd booked one of the London
shows, but of course, at the time of booking, they weren't even available.

Cheers. BBB

I was pretty sure that this tour needs some time to evolve, so I've booked tickets throughout the tour to see the start, middle parts and the end. To be honest, the tour start in Dublin was a bit of a disappointment. But Mannheim was much better. Let's see what's coming next until it all ends in London. I would expect the London shows to set the peaks of the tour...

 

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