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Previous Tours => 2013 Privateering World Tour => Topic started by: allen on May 17, 2013, 10:34:54 AM
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PRIVATEERING TOUR 2013 [C 16]
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Location:- http://www.secc.co.uk
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TICKETS: https://www.ticketline.co.uk/order/tickets/13274505/mark-knopfler-glasgow-secc-2013-05-17-19-30-00
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Previous Concert:- http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php/topic,3045.0.html
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31songs now played on this tour
SET LIST GLASGOW
Different from last Concert in RED
1.What It Is
2.Corned Beef City
3.Privateering
4.Father and Son
5.Hill Farmers Blues
6.Kingdom of Gold
7.I Dug up a Diamond
8.I Used to Could (Nigel Hitchcock)
9.Romeo and Juliet (Nigel Hitchcock)
10.Gator Blood
11.Haul Away
12.Postcards from Paraguay
13.Marbletown
14.Speedway at Nazareth
15.Telegraph Road
16.So Far Away
17.Going Home (Nigel Hitchcock)
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This will be the first concert with Nigel Hitchcock, with certainly some new songs in the setlist ! :thumbsup
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I hope everyone going to the Glasgow show has a wonderful time! :wave
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I hope everyone going to the Glasgow show has a wonderful time! :wave
I will, and I'll pass on your message to Dusty when I see him too. He's going to give me a call inside the venue and we can go for a drink or something before the concert starts. He is front row centre and I am 3rd row centre, so I probably won't see a thing for his big baldy heed! Ssh...don't tell him I said that! ;)
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I hope everyone going to the Glasgow show has a wonderful time! :wave
I will, and I'll pass on your message to Dusty when I see him too. He's going to give me a call inside the venue and we can go for a drink or something before the concert starts. He is front row centre and I am 3rd row centre, so I probably won't see a thing for his big baldy heed! Ssh...don't tell him I said that! ;)
My lips are sealed! :-X
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LOL
Wish I could go...
Have a good time, dmg - very curious for your review :D
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Yeah Enjoy the Glasgow gig fellows :wave
I am curious what Nigel Hitchcock brings us.........will the jazzman put away his horns when its past last call for alcohol?? ;D
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Hope were gonna get some DS tunes with sax!
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Doing Setlist Duty tonight.
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Doing Setlist Duty tonight.
thx in advance Pottel :wave
hopefully not your latest trick..... uhh I mean gig :smack
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Nope, 8 or 9 more to go..
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thx in advance Pottel :wave
hopefully not your latest trick.....
Would be nice feat. Nigel ;)
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Please let us know on wich songs Nigel plays sax! :thumbsup
Enjoy the concert everyone :wave
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LOL
Wish I could go...
Have a good time, dmg - very curious for your review :D
I wonder if he'll like the set list.
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Any bets for Phil Cunningham appearing for a few numbers? He did on Get Lucky tour.
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It's possible, but I fear it's a little hard :think. Phil will be tomorrow in Pamplona and the next day in Bilbao.
Regards
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Come on... Updates??
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Come on... Updates??
GMT ;)
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Yes, 19.30 GMT, is 20.30 our time... So it's started for 40 minutes now?
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Oh, 19:30?
Wasn't aware of that...
Potteeeeeeel ??
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Oh, 19:30?
Wasn't aware of that...
Potteeeeeeel ??
Nice to shake your hand in front of the Ziggo dome BTW... :wave I was hoping to speak to you longer..
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Setlist after the show according to Pottel
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Nice to shake your hand in front of the Ziggo dome BTW... :wave I was hoping to speak to you longer..
Yes, I thought the same :) :(
I guess there'll be another chance ;)
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Setlist after the show according to Pottel
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, we CAN'T wait that looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong ! :wave ;D
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I get it after the show today, sorry,....
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Set so far. .
Calling Elvis
WOL
Heavy Fuel
:P
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Set so far. .
Calling Elvis
WOL
Heavy Fuel
:P
Turn off 'On the Night' ;)
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Set so far. .
Calling Elvis
WOL
Heavy Fuel
:P
Not the thread for jokes of that nature ;)
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Set so far. .
Calling Elvis
WOL
Heavy Fuel
:P
Sorry mate :D
Not the thread for jokes of that nature ;)
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Set so far. .
Calling Elvis
WOL
Heavy Fuel
:P
Sorry mate :D
Not the thread for jokes of that nature ;)
;D
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which WoL? ;)
Paul Franklin joined them on stage with some pedal steel. . you missed a great version. . Honest ;)
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which WoL? ;)
Paul Franklin joined them on stage with some pedal steel. . you missed a great version. . Honest ;)
Too bad I though it was EC :smack
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well... I can't wait to know the set list :p
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well... I can't wait to know the set list :p
In about 30 min you will know....... :think
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Set so far. .
Calling Elvis
WOL
Heavy Fuel
:P
no, I am hearing the first 3 were
Once upon a time in the west
Expresso Love
Romeo & Juliet
And Solid Rock now as encore.....
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Set so far. .
Calling Elvis
WOL
Heavy Fuel
:P
no, I am hearing the first 3 were
Once upon a time in the west
Expresso Love
Romeo & Juliet
No jokes of this kind, please :P I don't know what to believe...
Edit: Not that I really believe this, but you what I mean... ;)
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Set so far. .
Calling Elvis
WOL
Heavy Fuel
:P
no, I am hearing the first 3 were
Once upon a time in the west
Expresso Love
Romeo & Juliet
No jokes of this kind, please :P I don't know what to believe...
Amen! :P
Edit: Not that I really believe this, but you what I mean... ;)
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wii cbc p fas hfb kog iduad iutc raj gb ha pfp m san tr
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Is that it? :smack
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wh at ?
01 What it is
02 Corned beef city
03 Privateering
04 Father and son
05 Hill farmer
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Pffffff...
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Thats it!?
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1.what it is
2.corned beef city
3.privateering
4.father and son
5.hill farmers blues
6.kingdom of gold
7.i dug up a diamond
8.i used to could
9.Romeo and Juliet
10.Gator Blood
11.Haul Away
12.post cards from paraguay
13.marbletown
14.Speedway at Nazareth
15.Telegraph Road
16.? not sure if concert is over already...
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So will it be Nigel's first appearance tomorrow?
Could it be Glasgow is seen as GB and Newcastle as UK??
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So will it be Nigel's first appearance tomorrow?
Could it be Glasgow is seen as GB and Newcastle as UK??
I guess Scotland is both..probably just played fills..?
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There's nothing in Guy's diaries or forum about Nigel.
So let's hope tomorrow is his first gig!?
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Perhaps only in London???
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It was mentioned UK dates so tonight was eligible to include Niguel.
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Dont think i can be bothered going to Newcastle tomorrow if thats what we're gonna get. . hate to say it
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Maybe Nigel will end the evening with Going Home ;)
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Great set, even without Sultans, I stay with this opinion, maybe because I have heard it live already. I really wonder what Dusty will say to this set. After all, he stayed away from the forum and doesn't know a thing about all those nice surprises from the first two weeks of the tour..
LE
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Setlist is pretty the same now the last few concerts.
No more 5.15 am and Back to Tupelo :'(
I think it will stay out this way untill the end of july.
Perhaps a few changes with Nigel but than they will come back to this setlist.....
Don't you think ?
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No more songs tonight?
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why are some so sure Nigel wasn't in the band tonight?
because " your latest trick" wasn't played :think
He could have been just one of the band members.
Can somebody confirm he was not there ??
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Guy mentioned rehearsing some songs in sound check not yet played which feature Nigel. . Naturally i thought of 2 young lovers, Your latest trick and the intro to RaJ
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I don't think MK is inviting Niguel to play DS stuff.
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Guy mentioned rehearsing some songs in sound check not yet played which feature Nigel. . Naturally i thought of 2 young lovers, Your latest trick and the intro to RaJ
Guy hates setlist questions..not sure what to believe or
Not of his info
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sfa, GH
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Still no news if this is with Nigel or not?
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GH might be an indication that Nigel played sax on it
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Nigel was there tonight, Richard Bennett just wrote in his diary:
Tonight's gig was at the SECC to a sold-out capacity audience of 4,414. Our friend and brilliant sax player Nigel Hitchcock joined us this evening for the first in a series of U.K. dates. Nigel's a legendary sax man throughout the U.K., played on loads of records, shows and a book of transcriptions of his most famous recorded solos has been published. It's great to have him on board and he played brilliantly which is little surprise. A good, relaxed gig tonight... maybe due to the late night celebrating John's 40th. Certainly not error free on my part, but really enjoyable and judging from the audience's reaction, it went down a storm with them as well.
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Nigel played on Romeo and Juliet, I Used to Could and Going Home. Wonderful concert.
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Cool, I think a Sax fits better to the original meaning of I Used To Could than just Jim's piano... great view to hear it in London!
LE
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Nigel played on Romeo and Juliet, I Used to Could and Going Home. Wonderful concert.
Well as they have chosen to bring him on for IUTC I guess we can wave goodbye to SOS for the UK-leg.. :( nice to have a sax on GH again though :)
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The good thing about no sultans ils that it makes it harder for us to complain about no sax break in Sultans :D
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I think that Nigel's sax could fit on Radio City Serenade in replacement of the trumpet.
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So no new song added to celebrate Niguel guesting.
Could have made it on TR filling the "karaoke" part.
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Just back and was going to tell you which songs Hitch played on, but I see that's already been done. Was astonished really that no new ones were added.
Really very good KOG.
On R&J he played intro and outro only and not the CW middle solo.
IDUAD was a new arrangement in a raggae style. Earlier in the show MK made comment about John's 40th birthday being yesterday and they had a late night. He made a mistake in the first solo, then after the song said "I'm glad he doesn't have a birthday every week!"
Speedway was massive. Fantastic! Best song of the night.
TR seemed error free.
Tell more tomorrow, but my bed is calling... :wave
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Just back and was going to tell you which songs Hitch played on, but I see that's already been done. Was astonished really that no new ones were added.
Really very good KOG.
On R&J he played intro and outro only and not the CW middle solo.
IDUAD was a new arrangement in a raggae style. Earlier in the show MK made comment about John's 40th birthday being yesterday and they had a late night. He made a mistake in the first solo, then after the song said "I'm glad he doesn't have a birthday every week!"
Speedway was massive. Fantastic! Best song of the night.
TR seemed error free.
Tell more tomorrow, but my bed is calling... :wave
Good that you've enjoyed! Also that you liked KOG (you called the Amsterdam KOG solo very bad if i recall correctly) ;)
Good night! :wave
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Thanks for your review so far DMG :)
so al the speculations that Nigel was not playing during this Glasgow gig were wrong, glad, as asked, to see this confirmed by several members ...thanks for that :wave
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Here is the best way to confirm,
Nigel on sax during Local Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Qfz7hx4EU
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Here is the best way to confirm,
Nigel on sax during Local Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Qfz7hx4EU
Thanks for the clip ! Wow ! Mark looked very energetic. Going home should be a closing song for every show. IMO. :thumbsup :clap
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dmg, thanks for the review, hope to read more. :)
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That's the way I wanna hear my going home. Perfect.
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That's the way I wanna hear my going home. Perfect.
Agree! And the best choice as a final encore! More than So Far Away or Piper To The End.
Lars B.
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Nigel played on Romeo and Juliet, I Used to Could and Going Home. Wonderful concert.
Only three songs? ??? Perhaps something new tonight? I hope for a video with Nigel on youtube........
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Guy mentioned rehearsing some songs in sound check not yet played which feature Nigel. . Naturally i thought of 2 young lovers, Your latest trick and the intro to RaJ
Well I think that Two Young Lovers would fit his current set. Basic rock'n'roll. But in that case he'd better skip I Used To Could. Would be too much of the same.
Lars B.
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Guy mentioned rehearsing some songs in sound check not yet played which feature Nigel. . Naturally i thought of 2 young lovers, Your latest trick and the intro to RaJ
Well I think that Two Young Lovers would fit his current set. Basic rock'n'roll. But in that case he'd better skip I Used To Could. Would be too much of the same.
Lars B.
Yeah, IUTC is the modern TWL...
I was hoping to STP with sax, as it is said to have happened in the Range Rover gig.
And I was expecting WOL with sax (altough not hoping for it), as it also happened in the Range Rover gig. I am just curious to hear how this sounds, even during the OES tour were virtually everything was over-saxophonized, there was no sax on WOL !
Also expecting WAM with sax, like in the 2002 charity gigs, would be nice.
And of course Your Latest Trick, the one song that cannot be played without sax !
Finally, what about OES ? ;)
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That's the way I wanna hear my going home. Perfect.
Can't wait for London anymore, a week from now I will be there waiting for monday, but first some meeting some great friends.
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That's the way I wanna hear my going home. Perfect.
Can't wait for London anymore, a week from now I will be there waiting for monday, but first some meeting some great friends.
Still i can't help asking myself the reason why Nigel only is with MK in the UK?????? :think
It would be great if he joines the ban for the whole tour.....
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Other Commitments? He might not have been available for the whole tour.
I think Mark is changing the set list & arrangements, & bringing in guests to make it more interesting for the band as much as for the audience.
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I thought Nigel could have been better utilised. Such a great musician and wasted really playing fills mostly until Going Home.
I felt at the concert they rushed through the songs. Anyone else feel they have been doing this? I know MK always goes fast but this tour he's breakneck speed and just doesn't stop - makes the concert feel a bit rushed and over before I know it.
IUTC with the sax got a big reception from the crowd and was the best live version I've heard by a country mile.
Regarding the crowd, I thought they weren't as good as they normally are in Glasgow; no rushing the stage after TR e.g. but there was a couple of interactions with the crowd that were quite funny. Lot of young people around me surprisingly (about my age ;))!
Did I say Speedway was great last night? Some slightly different playing in it made for a treat for the lugs.
TR sounded pretty good too although I got the impression MK was being very careful during the final solo and never really "went for it." Good but all seemed over too quick. :(
There was one song where Mikes' flute didn't seem to be working (no loss there then). Can't recall the tune right now. :think
WII (this is really in order ::)) was very nice but nobody ever notices the Bonnie Banks... tune he plays or surely they'd applaud? ???
In SFA he said "Glesgae Toon" and again there can't have been many attentive audience members. I smiled so much at his use of Scottish slang that I'm sure he noticed because I was the only one in the hall! He looked straight at me I'm sure and then smiled himself! ;D
I walked out still missing Sultans I have to say and I didn't enjoy Gator Blood because I was still seething after not getting it. >:(
Oh, and I bumped into Dusty again after the show!
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Thanks for your review! I hope you enjoyed the show. Nice that you met Dusty - hopefully he liked the setlist, because it would have been a bit of a surprise for him! :)
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Thanks for your review! I hope you enjoyed the show. Nice that you met Dusty - hopefully he liked the setlist, because it would have been a bit of a surprise for him! :)
It certainly was! Unfortunately the friend he took came to see Sultans. :smack Exactly the kind of thing we've been talking about.
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I have to be honest I am not a great 'Sax' lover but I have Just listened to clip of 'Going Home' on 'you tube' from last night and I must admit it sounds awesome.
Only 3 nights to go before my first concert of four!
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I have to be honest I am not a great 'Sax' lover but I have Just listened to clip of 'Going Home' on 'you tube' from last night and I must admit it sounds awesome.
Only 3 nights to go before my first concert of four!
The crowd went mad after it. They absolutely loved it.
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I have to be honest I am not a great 'Sax' lover but I have Just listened to clip of 'Going Home' on 'you tube' from last night and I must admit it sounds awesome.
Only 3 nights to go before my first concert of four!
The crowd went mad after it. They absolutely loved it.
So, they weren't entirely comatose then? ;D
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I have to be honest I am not a great 'Sax' lover but I have Just listened to clip of 'Going Home' on 'you tube' from last night and I must admit it sounds awesome.
Only 3 nights to go before my first concert of four!
The crowd went mad after it. They absolutely loved it.
So, they weren't entirely comatose then? ;D
I think they would have been the usual Weegie maddies if he'd played Sultans! :thumbsup :thumbsup
I saw Crocks standing out the front of the building before the show with 3 other people (assistants?) and when he announced MK he was in a Grey jacket!
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I'd also like to add to my review that HFB was very nice. The solo was built up slowly and seemed a bit longer than usual.
That's what you get for writing a review where the songs are all over the place, but I can't remember the songs in order so... ::)
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I wonder if Nigel has been rehearsing the long version of SOS with the band. Maybe that is why the short version is having a rest - maybe waiting for the RAH! :)
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I wonder if Nigel has been rehearsing the long version of SOS with the band. Maybe that is why the short version is having a rest - maybe waiting for the RAH! :)
Your attempts to alleviate my stress over dropping Sultans - kindly though they are - are futile I'm afraid. I no longer hold any hope for it being played again. :'(
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I wonder if Nigel has been rehearsing the long version of SOS with the band. Maybe that is why the short version is having a rest - maybe waiting for the RAH! :)
Your attempts to alleviate my stress over dropping Sultans - kindly though they are - are futile I'm afraid. I no longer hold any hope for it being played again. :'(
The only DS songs that are safe in this (and the next) tour are R&J and TR.
To be honest i also have my doubts about TR on the next tour.......... :think
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I wonder if Nigel has been rehearsing the long version of SOS with the band. Maybe that is why the short version is having a rest - maybe waiting for the RAH! :)
Your attempts to alleviate my stress over dropping Sultans - kindly though they are - are futile I'm afraid. I no longer hold any hope for it being played again. :'(
The only DS songs that are safe in this (and the next) tour are R&J and TR.
To be honest i also have my doubts about TR on the next tour.......... :think
Regarding TR: it seems to me now that he's in quite some discomfort playing just a short solo as it now stands so it makes Speedway the stand-out guitar solo of the concert. It was certainly the best tune last night.
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I wonder if Nigel has been rehearsing the long version of SOS with the band. Maybe that is why the short version is having a rest - maybe waiting for the RAH! :)
Your attempts to alleviate my stress over dropping Sultans - kindly though they are - are futile I'm afraid. I no longer hold any hope for it being played again. :'(
The only DS songs that are safe in this (and the next) tour are R&J and TR.
To be honest i also have my doubts about TR on the next tour.......... :think
I really don't care... It will be great if there is another tour coming in a couple of years :clap
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I wonder if Nigel has been rehearsing the long version of SOS with the band. Maybe that is why the short version is having a rest - maybe waiting for the RAH! :)
Your attempts to alleviate my stress over dropping Sultans - kindly though they are - are futile I'm afraid. I no longer hold any hope for it being played again. :'(
The only DS songs that are safe in this (and the next) tour are R&J and TR.
To be honest i also have my doubts about TR on the next tour.......... :think
Regarding TR: it seems to me now that he's in quite some discomfort playing just a short solo as it now stands so it makes Speedway the stand-out guitar solo of the concert. It was certainly the best tune last night.
Sad and strange to hear... When the tour started I thought his playing was better than ever over the last 10 years, and "Sultans" sounds really great when it is played. Is TR so much more difficult?
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Last night he was playing a little bit like he didn't want to make any mistakes. He was very good last night, but I felt he was holding back a little on the fast bits. Kind of restrained. Very good though and only one noticeable mistake.
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Last night he was playing a little bit like he didn't want to make any mistakes. He was very good last night, but I felt he was holding back a little on the fast bits. Kind of restrained. Very good though and only one noticeable mistake.
Just read Guy's forum and he said Mark spoke to the audience and explained that it had been John's party last night and said he might be a bit wobbly! Maybe this was why he played so carefully! Just a thought! :) I think it had been quite a party! Apparently there had been a few casualties! ;D Sore heads too, no doubt! :lol
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Yes, remember him saying that. Don't want to sound spoil sport, but should they be celebrating like that while on tour? ??? I could see his hand shaking at the start of Going Home! :o
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I was thinking that MK was probably playing very carefully in the same way that someone a bit worse for drink, speaks very carefully! ;D I say that from experience! :lol
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I was thinking that MK was probably playing very carefully in the same way that someone a bit worse for drink, speaks very carefully! ;D I say that from experience! :lol
Don't believe that for a second! Never took you for a boozer! :o
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I was thinking that MK was probably playing very carefully in the same way that someone a bit worse for drink, speaks very carefully! ;D I say that from experience! :lol
Don't believe that for a second! Never took you for a boozer! :o
No, I'm not, but I know when I've had enough - and it doesn't take very much! ;D
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Going Home. You can't see much but it's full length sound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW0W4p1knM0
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Going Home. You can't see much but it's full length sound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW0W4p1knM0
Awwwwwsomeeeeeeeeee! That little intro on keyboard! So Alchemy!!! :clap :clap
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Fantastic! :D :clap
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Great! Really great! He could join the rest of the tour only for that song in my opinion. Stunning version. Best in years!
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I still have memories from attending 'a 96 show and thinking of how great it was to have GH performed saxless.
Now we are (all) delighted to get the sax back ;D
Too bad that only lucky UK concert goer will experience it.
Thank for the video.
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Going Home. You can't see much but it's full length sound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW0W4p1knM0
Awwwwwsomeeeeeeeeee! That little intro on keyboard! So Alchemy!!! :clap :clap
Indeed, this sounds like Alchemy 30 years later !!
Save for the 2002 charity gigs, GH had not been played with sax since 1986 !!
It was great to have pure guitar in 96, and now it is also great to have the sax back !!
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Great show, maybe not the best playing ever from a self-confessed hungover MK. :)
Good to see DMG and Isaac before and after the gig, will see them again and more of you next week in London. :)
As for the set, it was OK but I would have liked a few more "surprises". On the night the only surprise really was Father and Son, but that said I am amazed that 5:15am has been played, need to go and get that recording, one of my all time favourite tunes.
Complete waste of Hitchcock though, three songs? Although Going Home was awesome and the perfect finale.
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Great show, maybe not the best playing ever from a self-confessed hungover MK. :)
Good to see DMG and Isaac before and after the gig, will see them again and more of you next week in London. :)
As for the set, it was OK but I would have liked a few more "surprises". On the night the only surprise really was Father and Son, but that said I am amazed that 5:15am has been played, need to go and get that recording, one of my all time favourite tunes.
Complete waste of Hitchcock though, three songs? Although Going Home was awesome and the perfect finale.
Welcome back!! :wave Thanks for your review!
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Welcome back, Dusty! It feels like you've just returned from outer space and burst through earth's atmosphere, after a communication black-out! Thanks for the review and see you at the RAH! :wave
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Welcome back, Dusty! It feels like you've just returned from outer space and burst through earth's atmosphere, after a communication black-out!
Well he does live in Aberdeen! ;)
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Reviews:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/live-music-reviews/10065796/Mark-Knopfler-SECC-Glasgow-review.html
http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/scotland/gig-review-mark-knopfler-glasgow-1-2936151
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Indeed, this sounds like Alchemy 30 years later !!
Save for the 2002 charity gigs, GH had not been played with sax since 1986 !!
It was great to have pure guitar in 96, and now it is also great to have the sax back !!
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U're right, and this suddenly gave me the feeling to watch that 1986 final time.
Great to see Alan filming the band-members and audience at the end,
and during the tune tech-crewmembers doing "percussions" and tambourine and other stuff @3.40 :lol
If others are having the same feeling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ16mye0QOU
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Always hated this whole concert. In fact I thought it is the downpoint in the whole Dire Strait era.
I always wondered about these .. what.. 16 (?), shows in a row... is there any fan on the world that has seen all Sydney Entertainment shows in a row?
Are they all recorded? How were the differences? Were they all as "good" as the final one?
Never watched the complete show, can't stand it, sorry to say. I prefer Wembley 85 BY FAR!
LE
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But you won't get better SFA version than that one.
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That is true! Of course I love that one, it's phantastic! But the longer the show lasts, the more they behave like.. but don't let's get off-topic too much! ;D
LE
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Always hated this whole concert. In fact I thought it is the downpoint in the whole Dire Strait era.
I always wondered about these .. what.. 16 (?), shows in a row... is there any fan on the world that has seen all Sydney Entertainment shows in a row?
Are they all recorded? How were the differences? Were they all as "good" as the final one?
Never watched the complete show, can't stand it, sorry to say. I prefer Wembley 85 BY FAR!
LE
Yes, this concert is not my favourite, despite high praise for "The last OZ" everywhere.
The band is tired, the synth effects are too much, the clothing is ridiculous, and the music is not that great.
Take TOL, for instance - whereas the band could improve on the (already excellent) Alchemy version for the BIA tour (see Wembley'85), with more elaborated solo, backing vocals, break... here in Sydney'86 I don't like the guitar tone and the licks are too convoluted, to the point that I prefer Alchemy by far.
Take BIA, whereas in Wembley'85 the finale was very rocking, here it is quite a bore - to the point that I prefer the "On the night" version by far.
Still, these are the only versions of Ride Across the River and Industrial Deasease we have on video... nice ! and yes, the SFA version is the only and only one that is worth listening to :)
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always loved this :-)
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Yeah, the Sydney show is tired sounding. I suppose it comes from playing all those nights in the same venue and the band settling into a lazy routine.
I'm surprised they wanted this show to be filmed - they were bound to realise the boredom of playing about 20 nights in the same place!
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It's not good for a touring band to stay that long at the same town/venue. You can see that at the RAH stint. Aren't the last shows always weaker than the first ones? Can't remember, only attended one RAH show so far... (that will change in a few days he he)
LE
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It's not good for a touring band to stay that long at the same town/venue. You can see that at the RAH stint. Aren't the last shows always weaker than the first ones? Can't remember, only attended one RAH show so far... (that will change in a few days he he)
LE
I think so. That's why I go to the first couple.
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Sydney show is great. :) The bit where the crowd boo the politician is funny and Mark's anti drug video is hilarious.
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It's not good for a touring band to stay that long at the same town/venue. You can see that at the RAH stint. Aren't the last shows always weaker than the first ones? Can't remember, only attended one RAH show so far... (that will change in a few days he he)
LE
I think so. That's why I go to the first couple.
Best 2005 one was Thursday.
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Yeah, the Sydney show is tired sounding. I suppose it comes from playing all those nights in the same venue and the band settling into a lazy routine.
I'm surprised they wanted this show to be filmed - they were bound to realise the boredom of playing about 20 nights in the same place!
You obviously don't know the story.
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Are you willing to tell us? I don't know the "story" either, apart from that those shows weren't planned and grew and grew...
LE
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Are you willing to tell us? I don't know the "story" either, apart from that those shows weren't planned and grew and grew...
LE
That 's it, the demand for tickets was absolutely huge so they added show after show but there was still high demand for it.
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Always hated this whole concert. In fact I thought it is the downpoint in the whole Dire Strait era.
I agree !
I'm not sure I've ever watched or listened to the whole concert. Totally disgusted by TOL with no intro.
You can't decide to f*** up the best part of the best song of the tour, especially when it's filmed ! :thumbsdown
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Always hated this whole concert. In fact I thought it is the downpoint in the whole Dire Strait era.
I agree !
I'm not sure I've ever watched or listened to the whole concert. Totally disgusted by TOL with no intro.
You can't decide to f*** up the best part of the best song of the tour, especially when it's filmed ! :thumbsdown
That's not what disgusted me most...
TOL can be good short or long. Of course I prefer it with the intro, but I can also understand that such a telecast has some time constraints. I think TOL was shortened not only for this show, but for the whole OZ leg of the tour, probably to be able to play TR as well. Well ok, TR was not played in the filmed show, but again that's probably because of time constraints.
What I liked far less was the strange guitar tone and the "over the top" guitar licks in the end solo. If you listen to Wembley'85, the end solo is a bit more elaborated than in Alchemy, it is a bit more of a slower build-up, whether you prefer the more straightforward approach of Alchemy or the more romantic one of Wembley is matter of taste, both are excellent; in both cases the finale of song is bombastic; but in Sydney 86 there seem to be a will to add systematically some "side-tracking" or "digressions", not sure how to name it, to each lick of the end solo. The end result sounds a bit like Sultans nowadays vs. Sultans in Alchemy: you sometimes wonder "where is this exactly leading to ?".
I could also comment in a similar way for BIA.
To me the playing in '86 is a huge downgrade from the playing in '85. '85 was probably the pinacle of DS, as dmg would say :) '85 is a bit better than '83, but '83 is better than '86 IHMO.
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It's not good for a touring band to stay that long at the same town/venue. You can see that at the RAH stint. Aren't the last shows always weaker than the first ones? Can't remember, only attended one RAH show so far... (that will change in a few days he he)
LE
I hope not :smack
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No worries, it was pure guessing, out of the blue, not based on any solid information! ;)
LE
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That's not what disgusted me most...
TOL can be good short or long. Of course I prefer it with the intro, but I can also understand that such a telecast has some time constraints. I think TOL was shortened not only for this show, but for the whole OZ leg of the tour, probably to be able to play TR as well. Well ok, TR was not played in the filmed show, but again that's probably because of time constraints.
What I liked far less was the strange guitar tone and the "over the top" guitar licks in the end solo. If you listen to Wembley'85, the end solo is a bit more elaborated than in Alchemy, it is a bit more of a slower build-up, whether you prefer the more straightforward approach of Alchemy or the more romantic one of Wembley is matter of taste, both are excellent; in both cases the finale of song is bombastic; but in Sydney 86 there seem to be a will to add systematically some "side-tracking" or "digressions", not sure how to name it, to each lick of the end solo. The end result sounds a bit like Sultans nowadays vs. Sultans in Alchemy: you sometimes wonder "where is this exactly leading to ?".
I could also comment in a similar way for BIA.
To me the playing in '86 is a huge downgrade from the playing in '85. '85 was probably the pinacle of DS, as dmg would say :) '85 is a bit better than '83, but '83 is better than '86 IHMO.
dmg would wholeheartedly agree with this, yes! :thumbsup
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I am one among the ones that like this '86 show very much, especially their shortened TOL version and the extra feature licks from Jack on Expresso and Solid Rock or the incredible intro on Two Young Lovers. Many good things on that show.
If only the sound could be better recorded.
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I am one among the ones that like this '86 show very much, especially their shortened TOL version and the extra feature licks from Jack on Expresso and Solid Rock or the incredible intro on Two Young Lovers. Many good things on that show.
If only the sound could be better recorded.
+ 1000 :thumbsup
I was planning to post a reply in the same way, but you've been faster :)
Indeed, even if it's not the best DS gig, I like it for its "curiosities" :
- Jack's solo on expresso love after the sax, that doesn't features on other gigs from 85-86
- 2 young lovers intro : fabulous ! groove, feeling...I love it
- solid rock : Jack is doing a little bit too much IMHO, but it rocks !
- extended Why worry : I find it works much better then the short version (like in Wembley). I also love the december 85 version (bootleg called "cocaine" with EC)
- Your latest trick : the only one version known from BIA tour, with Mark playing on the nylon CA gibson guitar, and John playin jazzy licks on bass (seated !)
- Sultans and going home played on the white strat : very unsual. I love the sound on theThe sultans outro. The end lick is very powerfull.
- BIA : I don't like very much the 85 versions, too much powerful, while the song had to end quiet IMHO. And don't forget that this "new" ending in Sydney is the one used for the 20 yeras after....
- and of course THE version for SFA (even I like wembley very much)
and last but not least : we can se Mark driving his porsche !
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I am one among the ones that like this '86 show very much, especially their shortened TOL version and the extra feature licks from Jack on Expresso and Solid Rock or the incredible intro on Two Young Lovers. Many good things on that show.
If only the sound could be better recorded.
+ 1000 :thumbsup
I was planning to post a reply in the same way, but you've been faster :)
Indeed, even if it's not the best DS gig, I like it for its "curiosities" :
- Jack's solo on expresso love after the sax, that doesn't features on other gigs from 85-86
- 2 young lovers intro : fabulous ! groove, feeling...I love it
- solid rock : Jack is doing a little bit too much IMHO, but it rocks !
- extended Why worry : I find it works much better then the short version (like in Wembley). I also love the december 85 version (bootleg called "cocaine" with EC)
- Your latest trick : the only one version known from BIA tour, with Mark playing on the nylon CA gibson guitar, and John playin jazzy licks on bass (seated !)
- Sultans and going home played on the white strat : very unsual. I love the sound on theThe sultans outro. The end lick is very powerfull.
- BIA : I don't like very much the 85 versions, too much powerful, while the song had to end quiet IMHO. And don't forget that this "new" ending in Sydney is the one used for the 20 yeras after....
- and of course THE version for SFA (even I like wembley very much)
and last but not least : we can se Mark driving his porsche !
All things you mentionned are very valid points. In fact I don't hate the show, it has its strong points, it is just that it is not my favourite. I disagree with you on WW (I think this extended version is a bit slow and boring, I prefer the shorter but more upbeat Wembley) and BIA (I know that the rocking ending has only been done in '85 and never since, but still, I think it is great and the way it should be !).
Apart from that as I already mentionned I think TOL has been done better in '85 and even in '83 (and it is not a matter of short or long). Sultans was better in Wembley and in Live Aid...
But yes, RATR, SFA, TWL, ID are the strong points of the show...
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...and now back to 2013, Glasgow! Review:
http://www.new-reviews.co.uk/?p=8430
N.B. Cleaning My Gun wasn't played.
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R&J:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTeXu7C4V2Y
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...and not mentioned in the setlist he posts at the end :-)
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...and not mentioned in the setlist he posts at the end :-)
LOL no. Nor is Going Home!
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But 3 out of 4 highlights are still from the DS catalogue, and one is even SFA.
So I have to admit that as a MK/DS die-hard fan I am bored with that one but for a casual listener it is still fun to get it.
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R&J:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTeXu7C4V2Y
I think CW was overused, but NH is underused...
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Interestingly those who said that the DS days are over, when comes the time to get some sax back in the play Mark mostly use it the way it was done back then. So a MK show is still something spanning his back catalogue over the last 35 years. Just that there are some choice I strongly disagree regardless of the DS or MK solo brand.
By the way I was not fond of R&J during the DS days.
GH with or without sax is great, Hamburg '96 recording is still my fave one (although the fist half is even better on ANIL but the second half is a bit too lite).
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Interestingly those who said that the DS days are over, when comes the time to get some sax back in the play Mark mostly use it the way it was done back then. So a MK show is still something spanning his back catalogue over the last 35 years. Just that there are some choice I strongly disagree regardless of the DS or MK solo brand.
By the way I was not fond of R&J during the DS days.
GH with or without sax is great, Hamburg '96 recording is still my fave one (although the fist half is even better on ANIL but the second half is a bit too lite).
Very few DS or MK songs were recorded with sax on the album in the first place (only YLT, RATR, OES, PONO, In the Sky, Radio City Serenade I think). So these songs can be made sound great, with or without sax. Sax is an extra. Here Nigel is barely used... oh well.
This beeing said, Sultans with Sax was badass, I really love it and would like it to come back ! :) Live Aid, Wembley'85, Basel'92...
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although the fist half is even better on ANIL but the second half is a bit too lite
Yes agree, The reason is because the first half of the song is made for clean tone (on studio version it was even acoustic guitar : ovation) and 2nd half is made for driven tone (studio version was the red schecter, I guess on Mesaboogie).
in 83 and 85-86 and on ANIL, Mark chose the clean tone for the entire song
in 96 he chose the drive tone for the whole song, and in 97 and 2000, he even chose to play wild theme (nylon CA gison guitar on studio) on a cranked LP !
since 2008, he returned to the strat atht suits more to the intro, but he lost the powerfull tone for the outro.
a solution would be to play it on a strat, and then switch on a tube stompbox pedal for the 2nd part
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Very nice slideshow with a soundtrack from the show (note SFA has the licks at the end played as per Liverpool):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl1xtR1B8bw
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Very nice slideshow with a soundtrack from the show (note SFA has the licks at the end played as per Liverpool):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl1xtR1B8bw
Thank youuuuu dmg. Very nice. I enjoyed it a lot. :thumbsup :clap Do you know who made this slideshow?
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Very nice slideshow with a soundtrack from the show (note SFA has the licks at the end played as per Liverpool):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl1xtR1B8bw
Wow, that was awesome :o Beautiful pictures that captured the highlights of the night :clap
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Thank youuuuu dmg. Very nice. I enjoyed it a lot. :thumbsup :clap Do you know who made this slideshow?
No idea. I found it browsing YouTube. He was seated very near me though and must have taken a lot of photo's!
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Audio is from liverpool, kingdom from 2012 tour and diamond from Bremen