A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2011 Mark Knopfler & Bob Dylan Tour => Topic started by: shangri la 1 on October 24, 2011, 09:21:47 AM
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C#14 Mannheim
AMIT atendees:-
marc96er, goldenheart96,marky49, Mr young at heart, Chardonnay
Set List
What it is
Cleaning my gun
Sailing To Philadelphia
Hill Farmer's Blues
Privateering
Song For Sonny Liston
Haul away
Marbletown
Brothers In Arms
Speedway At Nazareth
So Far Away
Bob Dylan's Set list
1. Leopard (MK on guitar)
2. Don't Thin Twice (MK on guitar)
3. Things Have Changed (MK on guitar)
4. Mississippi (MK on guitar)
5. John Brown (MK on guitar)
6. Spirit On The Water
7. Summer Days
8. Desolation Row
9. Highway 61
10. Forgetful Heart
11. Thunder On The Mountain
12. Ballad Of A Thin Man
13. All along the Watchtower
14. Like a rolling stone
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For the fans who are going to the concert at Mannheim, I wish you all this evening a wonderful time! ;D
Fieneke
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sure hope someone will tape and share.
also, anyone of the attendees wanting to provide me with a live setlist?
pm me for my mobile phone #
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AMIT atendees:-
marc96er, goldenheart96,marky49, Mr young at heart
and me
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Have a great time everyone! Here's hoping for a recording or two! :D
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Come on Guys. Spill the beans... :)
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AMIT atendees:-
marc96er, goldenheart96,marky49, Mr young at heart
and me
any of you wanna do a live setlist per mail/txt with me??
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AMIT atendees:-
marc96er, goldenheart96,marky49, Mr young at heart
and me
any of you wanna do a live setlist per mail/txt with me??
Aren't there any in house good wifi connection to make a live video stream stealth for AMIT members?
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Come on :P
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Come on, so many forumers over there and not a single message? The show must be over by now?
LE
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yeah, come on folks!
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Mark is playing with Bob:
http://twitter.com/#!/hmkern99 (http://twitter.com/#!/hmkern99)
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Cool, thanks, it seems the opener was What It Is this time... So at least we have the first "real" information... Apart from that he mentioned STP and Marbletown, I guess we have seen the typical set list for the rest of the tour by now.
LE
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He also did Haul Away instead of Napoleon. Bob and Mark did five songs together, Pillbox, Dont think twice, Things have changed, Mississippi amd the fifth one I didnt recognise. Bob is playing Ballad of a thin man now, lots of idiot Dylsn fans obstructing my view so I have finally time to post.
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Haul Away!!!! How I wished I had heard that in Oberhausen... such a great tune.. the first time in the setlist since Nottingham...
And how was it, Goldenheart? Are you able to "stand" Bob? ;)
LE
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Haul Away!!!! How I wished I had heard that in Oberhausen... such a great tune.. the first time in the setlist since Nottingham...
And how was it, Goldenheart? Are you able to "stand" Bob? ;)
LE
He played Haul Away in Luxembourg last friday ;)
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He did? Really? Did we ever have a proper set list from Luxembourg? However, thank you very much, Dutchessy! :D
LE
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He also did Haul Away instead of Napoleon. Bob and Mark did five songs together, Pillbox, Dont think twice, Things have changed, Mississippi amd the fifth one I didnt recognise. Bob is playing Ballad of a thin man now, lots of idiot Dylsn fans obstructing my view so I have finally time to post.
thanks GH.
enjoy da bob! ;-)
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Bob just thanked MK and introduced his band. Like a rolling stone is on now. I will stay til the bitter end. U find these dancing Bob fans very amusing ;D
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I'll bet in the London shows MK will stay with Bob for his entire set or something. :P
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He did? Really? Did we ever have a proper set list from Luxembourg? However, thank you very much, Dutchessy! :D
LE
Yes, in the Luxembourg topic. There is even a recording of the concert in the tracker.
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Blimey! Must have missed that totally. Obviously I was too much anticipating my own show the next day. Will have a look immediately. Is the recording a good sounding one?
LE
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yes, there's 2 or 3 i believe. all good.
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Blimey! Must have missed that totally. Obviously I was too much anticipating my own show the next day. Will have a look immediately. Is the recording a good sounding one?
LE
Yes, great recording!! Low volume level maybe... But very good quality!
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;D
LE
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cool. this time AMit beat ER in he setlist, at least partially... :lol
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Yeah, thanks to Goldenheart and Tallgren. But it has been one of the quietest nights around here since the tour started...
LE
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Yeah, thanks to Goldenheart and Tallgren. But it has been one of the quietest nights around here since the tour started...
LE
Sorry for that. But I didnt want to fumble around with my iphone the whole time, especially because I sat in row one :)
Stuck in the parking lot right now... Bob was interesting, for the lack of a better word. But not my cup of tea. His voice was hard to take at times and the volume was way too loud. Other than that, nice evening. Oh, the traffic's moving, gotta go ;D
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1. Leopard (MK on guitar)
2. Don't Thin Twice (MK on guitar)
3. Things Have Changed (MK on guitar)
4. Mississippi (MK on guitar)
5. John Brown (MK on guitar)
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Yeah, thanks to Goldenheart and Tallgren. But it has been one of the quietest nights around here since the tour started...
LE
Sorry for that. But I didnt want to fumble around with my iphone the whole time, especially because I sat in row one :)
Stuck in the parking lot right now... Bob was interesting, for the lack of a better word. But not my cup of tea. His voice was hard to take at times and the volume was way too loud. Other than that, nice evening. Oh, the traffic's moving, gotta go ;D
Drive carefully ;)
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Sorry Pottel, I left my mobile phone in the car, so no setlist. But I took my camera with me ;D
http://marc96er.de/knopfler_dylan_mannheim_2011/
(http://marc96er.de/knopfler_dylan_mannheim_2011/P1020128.jpg)
Sorry for the blurry pictures, but I had to take them im stealth mode ;)
More Infos tomorrow...
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Thanks for the info and the photo.
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so was it even better then oberhausen?
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My dream will come true. Because MK was busy recording his forthcoming solo album, there was lack of time for him rehearsing with BD's band before the tour started. So there was no detailed plan for coleboration before the tour kicked off. After several shows given, MK gradually participated in BD's set little by little. MK is now getting familiar with all the songs BD wished to play on this tour, and after all are practiced both on stage and with the assistance of BD's guitar player off stage, finally MK will replace BD's current guitar player or be added as an extra guitar player and will go with BD for his rest of the world tour, not only the european leg, but all over the world. Bob did pay a visit to China this spring, and maybe he could come along again with MK as his guest guitar player. MK could find some time to perform one or two tunes of his own, just like what he did with EC on his tour back in 1987, 88, and 89. :) :) :) Beyond my wildest dream~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~!!!
Best wishes to all BD and MK fans from Beijing, China
Allen
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Beyond indeed Allen...
MK is gonna play with Dylan just until mid november, his tour with Dylan ends in London, and then he
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Hey, anybody noticed? I really think Marc96 has put up some SPECTACULAR fotos! He was obviously happy to meet Guy and followed the band bus! ;D
But I really like the pics where Guy fotographs Mark! Have we ever seen them both together doing stuff together on one pic? Not a single MK pic in the diary so far at all, I think that will change with the Mannheim entry! :)
Hey Marc96, thank you very much for sharing these great pics with us! Hope you had a great time last night! Would be nice to read your review and what you think about the show compared to the Oberhausen one...
LE
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woww, sweet pics marc!!
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Nice pictures, specially the ones of Guy taking pics to MK.
But, no pictures of MK playing with Bob?
By the way, Manheim recording is already in dimeadozen.
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Thank you, marc96er, for the pictures!
btw LE There is a picture of MK in the Rotterdam diary, doing a soundcheck with the band - he's wearing a hat! ;D
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Great pics, thanks!
What's that? Taking snapshots for the Belstaff winter collection?
http://marc96er.de/knopfler_dylan_mannheim_2011/mannheim10.jpg
;D ;D ;D
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Can anyobdy remember the song Mark did with Bob where Bob played his weird solo all over Mark's? Was it "Don't Think Twice" or "Things Have Changed"?
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Can anyobdy remember the song Mark did with Bob where Bob played his weird solo all over Mark's? Was it "Don't Think Twice" or "Things Have Changed"?
I didnt listen to the show yet, its downloading at home, and I
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Can anyobdy remember the song Mark did with Bob where Bob played his weird solo all over Mark's? Was it "Don't Think Twice" or "Things Have Changed"?
In Luxembourg he did it with "Baby Blue" and in Oberhausen he did it with "It Ain't Me Babe" ! Did it happen again in Mannheim?
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Can anyobdy remember the song Mark did with Bob where Bob played his weird solo all over Mark's? Was it "Don't Think Twice" or "Things Have Changed"?
In Luxembourg he did it with "Baby Blue" and in Oberhausen he did it with "It Ain't Me Babe" ! Did it happen again in Mannheim?
Yes it did, but I can't remember which song... Since he didn't play the songs you mentioned, it was probably "Don't Think Twice" ???
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I dont get why Bob has to ruin the song playing a guitar solo when he has MK playing...
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mannheim was recorded by the guy that also did luxemburg, so i am pretty sure mark from last night will pop up soon...
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mannheim was recorded by the guy that also did luxemburg, so i am pretty sure mark from last night will pop up soon...
Is it possible that marky49 recorded the show?
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possible, yes....marky????
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mannheim was recorded by the guy that also did luxemburg, so i am pretty sure mark from last night will pop up soon...
Did I mentioned that Bob
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I'm pleased for all you guys that are getting to see Mark playing with Bob, I really am.
It boils my blood tho'. It should have been like that throughout the tour. It's another reason that I think people visiting the tour earlier on have been totally ripped off.
I've a real bitter taste in my mouth from all of this.
Sorry, but I can't help how I feel about it.
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I'm pleased for all you guys that are getting to see Mark playing with Bob, I really am.
It boils my blood tho'. It should have been like that throughout the tour. It's another reason that I think people visiting the tour earlier on have been totally ripped off.
I've a real bitter taste in my mouth from all of this.
Sorry, but I can't help how I feel about it.
I understand how you feel, because it would have been great for me also to see Bob and Mark onstage together, but I also understand the reason why it has taken until this stage of the tour for them to come together and play songs. They have never played these songs together before, so they are obviously rehearsing and getting to know eachother along the way, bit by bit! :)
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I do agree with this last comment, I
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I'm pleased for all you guys that are getting to see Mark playing with Bob, I really am.
It boils my blood tho'. It should have been like that throughout the tour. It's another reason that I think people visiting the tour earlier on have been totally ripped off.
I've a real bitter taste in my mouth from all of this.
Sorry, but I can't help how I feel about it.
I understand how you feel, because it would have been great for me also to see Bob and Mark onstage together, but I also understand the reason why it has taken until this stage of the tour for them to come together and play songs. They have never played these songs together before, so they are obviously rehearsing and getting to know eachother along the way, bit by bit! :)
Of course, they didnt have time to rehearse properly together before the tour started...
??? ??? ???
Every night they are playing together, MK is playing the songs without any rehearse, just some instructions by Bob
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I am pretty sure that it's not because they didn't have rehearsing time.
It's just a Bob's kind of thing to do. Just invite him when he feels for it and maybe nowadays to prevent people from leaving the venue as well.
MK is a topmusician, so some rehearsal during the soundcheck is enough. Bob doesn't organize things like MK does. He changes setlist last minute etc.
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I am pretty sure that it's not because they didn't have rehearsing time.
It's just a Bob's kind of thing to do. Just invite him when he feels for it and maybe nowadays to prevent people from leaving the venue as well.
I opened a thread talking about that "coincidence", just as a joke guess, but I
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Maybe by the end of the tour they will eventually play together for the whole of Bob's set - perhaps even a DVD will emerge! 8) 8)
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Maybe by the end of the tour they will eventually play together for the whole of Bob's set - perhaps even a DVD will emerge! 8) 8)
Each night they are playing one song more, I didnt count how many concerts last until London, but who knows ;)
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and soon mark will be wearing a suit and a hat too, and he won't have even noticed....
the mannheim rec is not as good as the same guys' lux. rec. a bit muddled.
hope our"tunnel85" recorded as well....
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Hey, anybody noticed? I really think Marc96 has put up some SPECTACULAR fotos! He was obviously happy to meet Guy and followed the band bus! ;D
But I really like the pics where Guy fotographs Mark! Have we ever seen them both together doing stuff together on one pic? Not a single MK pic in the diary so far at all, I think that will change with the Mannheim entry! :)
Hey Marc96, thank you very much for sharing these great pics with us! Hope you had a great time last night! Would be nice to read your review and what you think about the show compared to the Oberhausen one...
LE
Thanks! ;)
Well you
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Thinking about it, there really is no artistic justification for this tour, is there? I mean, they played five songs together last night, and Mark's playing sounded superb, but Bob was still doing his thing. It didn't feel like a collaboration. I don't know, I could have done without it. To me, it was kind of pointless. Mark should enhance his own songs, and Bob should do his thing. It's just my impression but I had the feeling they don't fit together, on an artistic level.
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On this tour, whether people here like it or not, Dylan is the headliner and Mark is the support act. I don't say this is right or wrong and I don't say it as a judgement on their respective abilities, strengths or weaknesses. And I'm not passing an opinion. It is simply a statement of fact. That's how the tour came about and that's how it was set up.
It is to Mark's credit that he agreed to do the tour, knowing that he would be the support act when it is self-evident that he could headline any tour of his own.
Maybe, Mark's appearance in Dylan's set at Bournemouth was a trial to see how it would work out. If so, then it obviously went well enough for both of them to want to continue the arrangement and build on it.
Playing with Dylan is not straightforward. For a start, even though he's only done 14 shows so far and is mostly doing 14 songs a night, he has already included 42 different songs in his sets. Here they are, as compiled by John Baldwin, with the number of times each has been played so far:-
Leopard Skin Pill-Box Hat (14)
Highway 61 Revisited (14)
Thunder On The Mountain (14)
Ballad Of A Thin Man (14)
Like A Rolling Stone (14)
All Along The Watchtower (14)
Things Have Changed (11)
Tangled Up In Blue ( 8 )
Honest With Me (7)
A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall (7)
Summer Days (6)
Desolation Row (6)
Blind Willie McTell (5)
Forgetful Heart (5)
High Water (For Charley Patton) (4)
Tryin' To Get To Heaven (4)
The Levee's Gonna Break (4)
Don't Think Twice, It's All Right (4)
Spirit On The Water (4)
Not Dark Yet (3)
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue (3)
Love Sick (3)
It Ain't Me, Babe (3)
Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues (2)
Simple Twist Of Fate (2)
Watching The River Flow (2)
Beyond Here Lies Nothin' (2)
Can't Wait (2)
Make You Feel My Love (2)
Mississippi (2)
The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carroll
Cold Irons Bound
Visions Of Johanna
Nettie Moore
Shooting Star
Man In The Long Black Coat
This Wheel's On Fire
I'll Be Your Baby Tonight
Jolene
Forever Young
Workingman's Blues #2
John Brown
Note that "John Brown", as performed at Mannheim with Mark on guitar, was making its first appearance on the tour. It's an old Dylan song, not on any of his old Columbia Records albums and never performed live for decades but then resurrected in recent years - and not one of his best songs, in my view, but that's another issue. For Mark, it was unlikely to have been a song with which he was particularly familiar, though some might suggest otherwise.
So that's the first difficulty, the number of songs and unfamilliarity with some of them. The second is that, for Dylan, any rehearsed arrangement is rarely fixed. He doesn't always stick to it: keys change, words change, verses are swapped around, harmonica pops up in different places and so on. This is why his band watch him so carefully because it's their job to keep up with him, whatever he does and whereever he goes. I can even recall a show where Dylan has wandered off-stage for a while in the middle of the song and the band just had to play on until he reappeared. It's not disrespect on Dylan's part, it's living with the moment. Sometimes it works wonderfully and, other times, it does not. For Mark, it cannot have been straightforward.
I guess that the guitarist in Dylan's band to whom you refer is Charlie Sexton:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Sexton
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Guy never stops to state that, too. I have no problem with that, once understood it is ok. I think (and we talked about it Sunday in the Irish Pub) that it might be easier for Bob to do just 90 minutes, but selling out greater arenas with a full programm, so Mark is indeed just support. But the guy is 71, 72 (?) years old, so I cannot blame him for NOT playing two full hours every night.
Goldenheart, if I have not missed it (and I obviously missed a few things during the last days) I have not read a line from you about Mark's set? ;) Just curious, how was it, did you like it? Would be nice to have a nice little well written review from you! ;D
LE
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Would be nice to have a nice little well written review from you! ;D
HAHAHAHA! Ouch ...
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Does it actually state that MK is the support act in any official material like posters etc. Although it is Bob's tour I was under the impression it was a double-headliner and MK went on first simply because (as Guy said on his forum) "somebody has to."
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Do we know Mark's setlist?
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Does it actually state that MK is the support act in any official material like posters etc.
Though it doesn't say "support act", "warm up act" and the like, I guess the "plus" in the poster below is indicative of how things are viewed:
(http://www.guyfletcher.co.uk/cache/pages/566-200.jpg)
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Would be nice to have a nice little well written review from you! ;D
HAHAHAHA! Ouch ...
Don't you think this is getting a little old??
Mark's set was fab, he was in great form and I thoroughly enjoyed it. If you want to read my official review, you have to buy my newspaper. I'm certainly not going to publish it here after all that's happened. Call me humour-less, but that's the way I see it (pun intended).
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Thanks!
LE
(I might add that my pun was NOT intended, but I have always trouble with this very british term. So I was just asking seriously for some well written review by somebody who does it also on a professional base. Never mind. There are a lot of reviews available since they are in Germany.)
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Would be nice to have a nice little well written review from you! ;D
HAHAHAHA! Ouch ...
Don't you think this is getting a little old??
Mark's set was fab, he was in great form and I thoroughly enjoyed it. If you want to read my official review, you have to buy my newspaper. I'm certainly not going to publish it here after all that's happened. Call me humour-less, but that's the way I see it (pun intended).
Come oooooooooooooooooooooon Goldenheart96
;)
PS/ I want to read it, but I dont speak german, and your newspaper is so far away from me ;D
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Goldenheart, you being a lady writer, :disbelief maybe we could have the review as a ... communique? :disbelief :disbelief
Nah, plain news will do just fine. :disbelief :disbelief :disbelief
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Does it actually state that MK is the support act in any official material like posters etc.
Though it doesn't say "support act", "warm up act" and the like, I guess the "plus" in the poster below is indicative of how things are viewed:
(http://www.guyfletcher.co.uk/cache/pages/566-200.jpg)
So the answer is NO. :)
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Show #2 for me...http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/298633_300668613276991_100000015638837_1283075_2123331933_n.jpg
@Marc: is this the one I did?
http://marc96er.de/knopfler_dylan_mannheim_2011/mannheim14.jpg
...two men smiling at me! ;)
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Quote StraitJacket.
I'm pleased for all you guys that are getting to see Mark playing with Bob, I really am.
It boils my blood tho'. It should have been like that throughout the tour. It's another reason that I think people visiting the tour earlier on have been totally ripped off.
I've a real bitter taste in my mouth from all of this.
Sorry, but I can't help how I feel about it.
I AGREE!!!! >:( >:(
I can see why its turned out like this, but I can only afford the one show,
(Nottingham), and of course they only did their seperate shows.
I so wish, not that there's any guarantee, that I'd booked one of the London
shows, but of course, at the time of booking, they weren't even available.
Cheers. BBB
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Come on Goldenheart, we are here to share our experiences.
We write our review here.
Don't let the bad vibes spoils the party...
You would be the best of us and we couldn't enjoy your style?
And in the end, the love you get is equal to the love you give
(Lennon - McCartney)
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Quote StraitJacket.
I'm pleased for all you guys that are getting to see Mark playing with Bob, I really am.
It boils my blood tho'. It should have been like that throughout the tour. It's another reason that I think people visiting the tour earlier on have been totally ripped off.
I've a real bitter taste in my mouth from all of this.
Sorry, but I can't help how I feel about it.
I AGREE!!!! >:( >:(
I can see why its turned out like this, but I can only afford the one show,
(Nottingham), and of course they only did their seperate shows.
I so wish, not that there's any guarantee, that I'd booked one of the London
shows, but of course, at the time of booking, they weren't even available.
Cheers. BBB
I was pretty sure that this tour needs some time to evolve, so I've booked tickets throughout the tour to see the start, middle parts and the end. To be honest, the tour start in Dublin was a bit of a disappointment. But Mannheim was much better. Let's see what's coming next until it all ends in London. I would expect the London shows to set the peaks of the tour...
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Quote StraitJacket.
I'm pleased for all you guys that are getting to see Mark playing with Bob, I really am.
It boils my blood tho'. It should have been like that throughout the tour. It's another reason that I think people visiting the tour earlier on have been totally ripped off.
I've a real bitter taste in my mouth from all of this.
Sorry, but I can't help how I feel about it.
I AGREE!!!! >:( >:(
I can see why its turned out like this, but I can only afford the one show,
(Nottingham), and of course they only did their seperate shows.
I so wish, not that there's any guarantee, that I'd booked one of the London
shows, but of course, at the time of booking, they weren't even available.
Cheers. BBB
I was pretty sure that this tour needs some time to evolve, so I've booked tickets throughout the tour to see the start, middle parts and the end. To be honest, the tour start in Dublin was a bit of a disappointment. But Mannheim was much better. Let's see what's coming next until it all ends in London. I would expect the London shows to set the peaks of the tour...
If I had the dosh, I'd have done the exact same thing.
Cheers BBB
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I was pretty sure that this tour needs some time to evolve, so I've booked tickets throughout the tour to see the start, middle parts and the end. To be honest, the tour start in Dublin was a bit of a disappointment. But Mannheim was much better. Let's see what's coming next until it all ends in London. I would expect the London shows to set the peaks of the tour...
And on this tour last shows won't be shorter than at the first ones so no reduced setlist.
And no early permanently dropped songs as well as it is usally the case on the regurlar tours.
Lucky londoners
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And on this tour last shows won't be shorter than at the first ones so no reduced setlist.
And no early permanently dropped songs as well as it is usally the case on the regurlar tours.
Lucky londoners
True. I'll be at all three London shows...let's wait and see.
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Just listened to last night's recording and I am really amazed at how wonderful "Mississippi" and "John Brown" sound, especially Mark's guitar - he was fantastic! Pity Bob had to spoil the second song "Don't Think Twice" because he is so out of tune - he should leave the guitar-playing to MK!"
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Just listened to last night's recording and I am really amazed at how wonderful "Mississippi" and "John Brown" sound, especially Mark's guitar - he was fantastic! Pity Bob had to spoil the second song "Don't Think Twice" because he is so out of tune - he should leave the guitar-playing to MK!"
My God, while MK is doing a great solo, BD insisted in ruined it playing strange chords out of tune... I wonder why in heaven he bother to play guitar having MK there... a total waste that ruins the beauty that MK adds. If you are going to ruin it, dont ask MK to play with you... Holy Christ.
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@Marc: is this the one I did?
http://marc96er.de/knopfler_dylan_mannheim_2011/mannheim14.jpg
...two men smiling at me! ;)
Of course, only a former professional photographer can take such a perfect picture! ;D
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Just listened to last night's recording and I am really amazed at how wonderful "Mississippi" and "John Brown" sound, especially Mark's guitar - he was fantastic! Pity Bob had to spoil the second song "Don't Think Twice" because he is so out of tune - he should leave the guitar-playing to MK!"
My God, while MK is doing a great solo, BD insisted in ruined it playing strange chords out of tune... I wonder why in heaven he bother to play guitar having MK there... a total waste that ruins the beauty that MK adds. If you are going to ruin it, dont ask MK to play with you... Holy Christ.
With Bob on guitar, that band loses all balance since they suddenly have four guitarists, no piano, and no organ. I used to think that Bob's little solos could be quite fun (check out hiss Crossroads version with Clapton!), but this is completely unnecessary.
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@Marc: is this the one I did?
http://marc96er.de/knopfler_dylan_mannheim_2011/mannheim14.jpg
...two men smiling at me! ;)
Of course, only a former professional photographer can take such a perfect picture! ;D
Hard job, but had to be done...
Actually, between the two pictures are about 30 min, right?
Same camera, same people....but....;D
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee132/marky66_photos/mannheim03.jpg)
And, your request was to have the coaches and trucks depicted too....So...do you see the difference?
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee132/marky66_photos/mannheim14.jpg)
Ok, ok. I shut up! ;)
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Did you manage to make any picture of MK playing with Bob?
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Can anyobdy remember the song Mark did with Bob where Bob played his weird solo all over Mark's? Was it "Don't Think Twice" or "Things Have Changed"?
In Luxembourg he did it with "Baby Blue" and in Oberhausen he did it with "It Ain't Me Babe" ! Did it happen again in Mannheim?
Yes it did, but I can't remember which song... Since he didn't play the songs you mentioned, it was probably "Don't Think Twice" ???
It was Don't Think Twice, yes.
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Just listened to last night's recording and I am really amazed at how wonderful "Mississippi" and "John Brown" sound, especially Mark's guitar - he was fantastic! Pity Bob had to spoil the second song "Don't Think Twice" because he is so out of tune - he should leave the guitar-playing to MK!"
Agreed on the first part. Not on the last.
To my ears the contrast was a very special thing, I liked it. (And I'm not the only one...)
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On this tour, whether people here like it or not, Dylan is the headliner and Mark is the support act. I don't say this is right or wrong and I don't say it as a judgement on their respective abilities, strengths or weaknesses. And I'm not passing an opinion. It is simply a statement of fact. That's how the tour came about and that's how it was set up.
It is to Mark's credit that he agreed to do the tour, knowing that he would be the support act when it is self-evident that he could headline any tour of his own.
Maybe, Mark's appearance in Dylan's set at Bournemouth was a trial to see how it would work out. If so, then it obviously went well enough for both of them to want to continue the arrangement and build on it.
Playing with Dylan is not straightforward. For a start, even though he's only done 14 shows so far and is mostly doing 14 songs a night, he has already included 42 different songs in his sets. Here they are, as compiled by John Baldwin, with the number of times each has been played so far:-
Leopard Skin Pill-Box Hat (14)
Highway 61 Revisited (14)
Thunder On The Mountain (14)
Ballad Of A Thin Man (14)
Like A Rolling Stone (14)
All Along The Watchtower (14)
Things Have Changed (11)
Tangled Up In Blue ( 8 )
Honest With Me (7)
A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall (7)
Summer Days (6)
Desolation Row (6)
Blind Willie McTell (5)
Forgetful Heart (5)
High Water (For Charley Patton) (4)
Tryin' To Get To Heaven (4)
The Levee's Gonna Break (4)
Don't Think Twice, It's All Right (4)
Spirit On The Water (4)
Not Dark Yet (3)
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue (3)
Love Sick (3)
It Ain't Me, Babe (3)
Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues (2)
Simple Twist Of Fate (2)
Watching The River Flow (2)
Beyond Here Lies Nothin' (2)
Can't Wait (2)
Make You Feel My Love (2)
Mississippi (2)
The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carroll
Cold Irons Bound
Visions Of Johanna
Nettie Moore
Shooting Star
Man In The Long Black Coat
This Wheel's On Fire
I'll Be Your Baby Tonight
Jolene
Forever Young
Workingman's Blues #2
John Brown
Note that "John Brown", as performed at Mannheim with Mark on guitar, was making its first appearance on the tour. It's an old Dylan song, not on any of his old Columbia Records albums and never performed live for decades but then resurrected in recent years - and not one of his best songs, in my view, but that's another issue. For Mark, it was unlikely to have been a song with which he was particularly familiar, though some might suggest otherwise.
So that's the first difficulty, the number of songs and unfamilliarity with some of them. The second is that, for Dylan, any rehearsed arrangement is rarely fixed. He doesn't always stick to it: keys change, words change, verses are swapped around, harmonica pops up in different places and so on. This is why his band watch him so carefully because it's their job to keep up with him, whatever he does and whereever he goes. I can even recall a show where Dylan has wandered off-stage for a while in the middle of the song and the band just had to play on until he reappeared. It's not disrespect on Dylan's part, it's living with the moment. Sometimes it works wonderfully and, other times, it does not. For Mark, it cannot have been straightforward.
I guess that the guitarist in Dylan's band to whom you refer is Charlie Sexton:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Sexton
Well put.
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OK, I admit, my son and I enjoyed the complete show, MK, BD w/ MK, BD w/o MK. Perfect night for us. (My wife enjoyed MK and BD w/ MK and did endure the rest...)
And so, yes, the double bill makes sense. Beside the hardcore MK fans who dislike Bob (too loud, too crooked, can't play, can't sing, don't talk, all that...) and the hardcore Bob-Cats who find MK just too boring and predictable there are Bob fans like me who are MK fans too (although I am not that familiar with his complete oevre whereas I recognize almost every Dylan song most of the time before he start singing [or barking]) and who are more than glad to be given the opportunity of seeing both in one show. And Mark joining Bob on stage for more and more songs is really worth it, alone...
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... and the the hardcore Bob-Cats who find MK just too boring and predictable ...
I know what they mean, but Bob certainly is predictable too. Sure, he does vary his songs, but you can be sure the variation will be within the blues shuffle / rock idiom and how much/little he will bark out the lyrics. I've listened to a few of the shows now, and Dylan's show, although it is very intense and energetic (good), sounds like one big jam session. I like it live and spontaneous, but this sounds so disorganized that it is bordering on comical.
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I agree that, based on the Bournemouth show I attended, it was pretty much a bluesy-rock approach throughout from Dylan but it's another development, another phase in his stage career. Recently, we've had almost none of the country-based style that peppered his sets not too long ago. At some shows, apparently, he has done the occasional ballad, such as "Nettie Moore". Personally, I'd wish he would do at least a couple of these at every show.
Roughly half the 42 songs performed so far on this tour come from the 1963 - 1974 period and, when you've played 100 shows a year for the last 23 years or more, you really do have to vary things a bit to stay interested. And you try to find something new and different in songs you've sung hundreds of times.
Dylan is less concerned about technical perfection and more concerned with "feel" and the moment. There are flubs even on some of his official releases but he keeps them in, if he judges that the particular take selected matches best what he is trying to put over in the lyrics. Some might regard this as slapdash (comical, even) but it has resulted in a body of work nonpareil for a solo artist in the last 50 years. As an example, we are told, by those who have heard the session tapes for BLONDE ON BLONDE, that he recorded several different versions of most of the songs: some slower; some faster; some in different keys; and so on. It was described by someone as being more like the recording session of a jazz musician. He has often bemoaned the current recording techniques by which recordings are constructed, element by element, to produce the finished product. He much prefers to record "live" in the studio (or, at least, as "live" as possible). He likes that kind of sponaneity.
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Of course, only a former professional photographer can take such a perfect picture! ;D
Hard job, but had to be done...
Actually, between the two pictures are about 30 min, right?
Same camera, same people....but....;D
And, your request was to have the coaches and trucks depicted too....So...do you see the difference?
Ok, ok. I shut up! ;)
Of course I see the difference: When you took the picture, we both were smiling! ;D
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I agree that, based on the Bournemouth show I attended, it was pretty much a bluesy-rock approach throughout from Dylan but it's another development, another phase in his stage career. Recently, we've had almost none of the country-based style that peppered his sets not too long ago. At some shows, apparently, he has done the occasional ballad, such as "Nettie Moore". Personally, I'd wish he would do at least a couple of these at every show.
Roughly half the 42 songs performed so far on this tour come from the 1963 - 1974 period and, when you've played 100 shows a year for the last 23 years or more, you really do have to vary things a bit to stay interested. And you try to find something new and different in songs you've sung hundreds of times.
Dylan is less concerned about technical perfection and more concerned with "feel" and the moment. There are flubs even on some of his official releases but he keeps them in, if he judges that the particular take selected matches best what he is trying to put over in the lyrics. Some might regard this as slapdash (comical, even) but it has resulted in a body of work nonpareil for a solo artist in the last 50 years. As an example, we are told, by those who have heard the session tapes for BLONDE ON BLONDE, that he recorded several different versions of most of the songs: some slower; some faster; some in different keys; and so on. It was described by someone as being more like the recording session of a jazz musician. He has often bemoaned the current recording techniques by which recordings are constructed, element by element, to produce the finished product. He much prefers to record "live" in the studio (or, at least, as "live" as possible). He likes that kind of sponaneity.
Yup.
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... this sounds so disorganized that it is bordering on comical.
For sure that, and, you bet, that's even intended. Bob has always been a comedian, the Charlie Chaplin of Rock'n Roll...
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... this sounds so disorganized that it is bordering on comical.
For sure that, and, you bet, that's even intended. Bob has always been a comedian, the Charlie Chaplin of Rock'n Roll...
Each to his own then.
I think that's a big shame, because some of his studio recordings contain some true gems, musically speaking. If he could have transferred some of that to the stage, AND fueled them with the current energy, it could have lifted his shows of out of the "bar-room bawl" situation ...
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OK, I admit, my son and I enjoyed the complete show, MK, BD w/ MK, BD w/o MK. Perfect night for us. (My wife enjoyed MK and BD w/ MK and did endure the rest...)
And so, yes, the double bill makes sense. Beside the hardcore MK fans who dislike Bob (too loud, too crooked, can't play, can't sing, don't talk, all that...) and the hardcore Bob-Cats who find MK just too boring and predictable there are Bob fans like me who are MK fans too (although I am not that familiar with his complete oevre whereas I recognize almost every Dylan song most of the time before he start singing [or barking]) and who are more than glad to be given the opportunity of seeing both in one show. And Mark joining Bob on stage for more and more songs is really worth it, alone...
Right, I like your style, tongue in cheek but still making a point. Open minded too.
Nice one YAH
;)
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A review of the Mannheim concert:
http://www.buerstaedter-zeitung.de/region/rhein-neckar/11299240.htm
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OK, I admit, my son and I enjoyed the complete show, MK, BD w/ MK, BD w/o MK. Perfect night for us. (My wife enjoyed MK and BD w/ MK and did endure the rest...)
And so, yes, the double bill makes sense. Beside the hardcore MK fans who dislike Bob (too loud, too crooked, can't play, can't sing, don't talk, all that...) and the hardcore Bob-Cats who find MK just too boring and predictable there are Bob fans like me who are MK fans too (although I am not that familiar with his complete oevre whereas I recognize almost every Dylan song most of the time before he start singing [or barking]) and who are more than glad to be given the opportunity of seeing both in one show. And Mark joining Bob on stage for more and more songs is really worth it, alone...
Right, I like your style, tongue in cheek but still making a point. Open minded too.
Nice one YAH
;)
Thank ya.
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A review of the Mannheim concert:
http://www.buerstaedter-zeitung.de/region/rhein-neckar/11299240.htm
harsh review for bob
Der eine hui, der andere ... leider nicht. Beim Gipfeltreffen der Rock-Legenden Mark Knopfler und Bob Dylan in der Mannheimer SAP-Arena sieht sich das Publikum mit zwei Protagonisten konfrontiert, die l
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It makes me wonder if some of these journalists are actually at the gig! One of the reviews I read said MK played MFN! Another said that Bob and his band looked sharp and well-dressed, whereas Mark looked as though he had just come from rehearsal, wearing jeans and a WHITE shirt! In fact he was wearing a black one! ::)
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I've frequently read reviews of various concerts I've been to over the years and have thought "there is no way we both saw and heard the same show!"
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Same.
I know from a journalist that some actualy only give at some time a quick look in the house and then spend rest of the show at the bar.
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A couple of videos from Mannheim:
Mississippi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8KicfTFugM
John Brown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiRJ3nIm1RE&feature=related
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In all the videos I see this very same situations
- MK looking probably at Glenn Saggers and asking about something related with his guitar (not plugged, low volume, whatever)
- MK looking at Charlie Sexton wondering in which scale he must to play and what he must to play
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Jbaent, I loved both of these songs, especially John Brown, and I thought MK's solos were beautiful! I think he's still feeling his way with BD and the band, because he has had such short notice and I think he has done a great job! :)
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In the 1987 RAH shows with EC the songs and solos sounded well rehearsed and nothing to chance and much was the same in early '88. However, I think in the N. American tour later in the year the shows were much better and some arrangements changed.
So back to today then (!) and what I am saying is that obviously a lot of rehearsal went into even the early '87 shows with EC, but no rehearsal was done with Bob at all before the tour which I find astonishing quite frankly. I'm not going to point any fingers at who's to blame bacause I don't know how the business works but one would have thought they would have ran through a few tunes.
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From what I have gathered from Guy's diaries, Bob tells Mark, or sends a note ;D on the afternoon of the concert, which songs they will play together and then Charley and Mark do a quick run-through! It must be quite difficult for someone, like MK, who is such a perfectionist and likes everything to run smoothly.
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Again, I might be allowed to quote my sister when she said about the Munich show that Mark looked a little lost on stage with Bob, always trying to make
eye contact with Bob's band or trying to get some interaction and didn't get any. He was looking clearly stressed and had obviously a little trouble to get along with them.. As Guy said, it is obviously very loud on Bob's stage, so Mark maybe had some trouble with that, too. Left me pitiful to hear that, and
maybe that was the reason for only three songs together at that night, too?
LE
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I am 100 % sure that there is no problem for MK to play with Bob's band without preparing much. I think you get it all wrong. A musician of MK's caliber is perfectly capable of playing the relatively simple songs of Bob Dylan. If you have read GF's diary, you would have read that MK already knows the songs. The reason why MK prepare and arrange his own shows had nothing to do with what he is capable of or comfortable with, but with what he wants to do. What he likes. How he wants his own music to be performed and sound. It's like an ideology. And if you look at MK's face when he performs his own well rehearsed and prepared material, he doesn't look too comfortable unless he smiles, even though I bet he is.
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he looks focused and concentrated, not stressed...if anything he looks happy...
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Well, I have no doubt that MK is enjoying what he is doing at the moment, I was reporting about the Munich show, and as it fitted with my own observations form Oberhausen partially, I thought it worth writing about. I have no doubts about Mark's musical abilities, it was more about the circumstances, mainly the high volume on stage - and, if anything, the missing interaction with the other band members which we know MK needs and loves so much.
Mossguitar, you are a musician yourself I understand, so I am sure you will have a much better judgment about it. I have never been on any stage myself.
LE
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It was very interesting when GF said that MK knows all of his (BD) songs. Maybe MK is a getalifer himself and collects all bootlegs of his bobness? :D
Only kidding, but I assume that he is concentrating very hard on stage with Bob, being the perfectionist he is, I guess he doesn't feel THAT well with Bob's punkrock approach to his own songs.
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Again, I might be allowed to quote my sister when she said about the Munich show that Mark looked a little lost on stage with Bob, always trying to make
eye contact with Bob's band or trying to get some interaction and didn't get any. He was looking clearly stressed and had obviously a little trouble to get along with them.. As Guy said, it is obviously very loud on Bob's stage, so Mark maybe had some trouble with that, too. Left me pitiful to hear that, and
maybe that was the reason for only three songs together at that night, too?
LE
I agree totally .... I had similar impressions. The overall sound was too loud ... especially Bob's guitar playing (or whatsoever that should be) and also his voice. Imo Mark's playing was difficult to hear. After the three songs there was no thanks from Bob to Mark ... on the contrary, Mark clapped Bob on the shoulder leaving the stage. Very strange (unrespectful) behaviour from Bob ...
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you do not know what bob may have said joko...
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you do not know what bob may have said joko...
Maybe something like gfghdhksdkljfhsdf????
;D ;D ;D
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you do not know what bob may have said joko...
I mean there was no official thanks from Bob to Mark in front the crowd ... like Mark thanked Bob for his inviting.
Maybe something like gfghdhksdkljfhsdf????
;D ;D ;D
Does Mark understand this dialect ? ;D
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It's a few weeks since I saw the show, so I'm not certain about this, but I think Bob still uses old-school wedge monitors, as opposed to MK using in ear monitors for a long time now, a big difference on stage.
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After the three songs there was no thanks from Bob to Mark ... on the contrary, Mark clapped Bob on the shoulder leaving the stage. Very strange (unrespectful) behaviour from Bob ...
Do you really think that if Bob was not respectful, Mark would accept to play on stage anymore with him?
Yes maybe strange behaviour, non conventional, but should we interpret this as unrespectful from Bob?
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After the three songs there was no thanks from Bob to Mark ... on the contrary, Mark clapped Bob on the shoulder leaving the stage. Very strange (unrespectful) behaviour from Bob ...
Do you really think that if Bob was not respectful, Mark would accept to play on stage anymore with him?
Yes maybe strange behaviour, non conventional, but should we interpret this as unrespectful from Bob?
in my view .... yes. Why can't be expected, that Bob says few words about Mark in front of the crowd ... i.e after Mark enters or before Mark leaves the stage ? Would not be really difficult ... but respectful.
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After the three songs there was no thanks from Bob to Mark ... on the contrary, Mark clapped Bob on the shoulder leaving the stage. Very strange (unrespectful) behaviour from Bob ...
Do you really think that if Bob was not respectful, Mark would accept to play on stage anymore with him?
Yes maybe strange behaviour, non conventional, but should we interpret this as unrespectful from Bob?
Seeing that Mark has known and worked with Bob on occasion since 1979...suffice it to say that I'm sure that he knows what to expect from Bob. Respectful or not (as it may appear to us) I'm sure that Mark is perfectly fine with it. As for him appearing uncomfortable on stage...he was probably watching the band members for the changes coming up.
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bob's band does it all the time.
the best part in oberhausen was where bob pulled back for like a minute or so, just watching his band...funny moment, as he really kinda "pulled out" and enjoyed the scenery..
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Does anybody know if the MK side of this night was recorded? I've picked up the BD side of the show..a fine recording..and just hoping that someone recorded Mark's set. I haven't seen anything on either Dime or Spanish City.
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Does anybody know if the MK side of this night was recorded? I've picked up the BD side of the show..a fine recording..and just hoping that someone recorded Mark's set. I haven't seen anything on either Dime or Spanish City.
Not seen it myself. It appears the MK fans are good enough to record both sets but most BD fans are not interested in returning the favour unfortunately. >:(
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Does anybody know if the MK side of this night was recorded? I've picked up the BD side of the show..a fine recording..and just hoping that someone recorded Mark's set. I haven't seen anything on either Dime or Spanish City.
Not seen it myself. It appears the MK fans are good enough to record both sets but most BD fans are not interested in returning the favour unfortunately. >:(
absolutely not true, to date i know of only one taper who did not, on purpose (did not even go in to see that part) tape MK'S set and that would be a taper called "Spot" who actually taped the Dublin show, that we are all still waiting on (the MK set that is....)
all others, look at "Romeo, Schubert, Soomlos, Zimmy21" have all taped both sets, soomlos even with 2 devices!!
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Does anybody know if the MK side of this night was recorded? I've picked up the BD side of the show..a fine recording..and just hoping that someone recorded Mark's set. I haven't seen anything on either Dime or Spanish City.
Not seen it myself. It appears the MK fans are good enough to record both sets but most BD fans are not interested in returning the favour unfortunately. >:(
absolutely not true, to date i know of only one taper who did not, on purpose (did not even go in to see that part) tape MK'S set and that would be a taper called "Spot" who actually taped the Dublin show, that we are all still waiting on (the MK set that is....)
all others, look at "Romeo, Schubert, Soomlos, Zimmy21" have all taped both sets, soomlos even with 2 devices!!
Then why are there so many recordings turning up of Dylan halves only then? Dublin, Bournemouth, Mannheim, Munich... ???
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100 % agree with Pottel.
I think we've already got more recordings than expected ! And great ones !
Many famous dylan tapers also taped and shared MK.
Of course there are missing shows but we can't blame anyone.
Maybe for some reason the taper just couldn't tape MK's part.
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Does anybody know if the MK side of this night was recorded? I've picked up the BD side of the show..a fine recording..and just hoping that someone recorded Mark's set. I haven't seen anything on either Dime or Spanish City.
Not seen it myself. It appears the MK fans are good enough to record both sets but most BD fans are not interested in returning the favour unfortunately. >:(
absolutely not true, to date i know of only one taper who did not, on purpose (did not even go in to see that part) tape MK'S set and that would be a taper called "Spot" who actually taped the Dublin show, that we are all still waiting on (the MK set that is....)
all others, look at "Romeo, Schubert, Soomlos, Zimmy21" have all taped both sets, soomlos even with 2 devices!!
Then why are there so many recordings turning up of Dylan halves only then? Dublin, Bournemouth, Mannheim, Munich... ???
dublin, bournemouth, both "SPot" as i explained he was not interested.
Mannheim was taped by a guy who also taped lux. and he taped MK there as well, so i do not worry. munich, ...where did you see that one??
ALL the other shows, were taped by MULTIPLE tapers who ALL did BOTH artists (yep, i love capitals...)
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OK,OK, I surrender! I don't tape any shows so am hardly in a position to complain anyway.
For your information, the Munich show - Bob's part ONLY (capitals too ;)) - can be found here:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=379302
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oh, him, he also recorded both artists at previous show. and he mentions two other well known tapers to be there. and as Spot finished his tour, it must be "knopfler-too-taping" tapers....
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All I want is a Simfy recording anyway.... ;D
Just joking! I enjoy Glasgow, Oberhausen, Paris and Lille very much....
LE
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Lille is my fave! Such warmness and atmosphere.
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Only mp3
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GC0HRXGH
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee132/marky66_photos/Bob%20Dylan%20with%20MK%202011/380739_302722996404886_100000015638837_1291071_1908243445_n2.jpg)
More photos here:
http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee132/marky66_photos/Bob%20Dylan%20with%20MK%202011/
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Great pic (and good seat too ;D )
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Thank you Marky49! :D
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Only mp3
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GC0HRXGH
Many thanks!
DONA
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nice pics!
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Joe Satriani ?????
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee132/marky66_photos/Bob%20Dylan%20with%20MK%202011/316760_302723706404815_100000015638837_1291085_945382135_n2.jpg)
Great picture Marky49!!!!
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Yeah, but she hasn't got one from the new ReIssue LP :P
LE
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don't make fun of the satch man!! Jbaent! he rules!!
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Some old videos popping up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPHliCFe3l8&feature=related
This John Brown version is excellent. Beautiful guitar from Mark, good vocals by Bob.