A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: hunter on September 09, 2019, 08:37:24 PM
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I've listened to some clips on YT from this tour, and I had forgotten how terrific these shows where. The new songs, the new versions of older songs, the playing, oh the playing! I think this was Mark at his absolute peak in terms of guitar playing.
So, if I am to search torrent sites for one or two bootlegs from that tour, which show do you recommend? It has to include Vic and Ray, one of my favorite tunes from that era, and the sound has to be decent. Or would any of you be willing to share via dropbox or something?
Love this, and it makes me realize how much I miss Guitar Mark ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHV4dWsLgXI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHV4dWsLgXI)
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Hamburg is a great show but there are many others, arguably better in audience recordings. Most of them from this tour are pretty poor and sound "dark" somehow. Berlin is the best sounding audience recording.
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Thanks, dmg. Will check it out.
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Some recommanded bootlegs are
Vaison 96 the soundboard version
The audio from the official A Night in London video (2 songs more the dvd)
Globe, Sweden (radio broadcast/ soundboard)
Royall Albert Hall (soundboard )
Ahoy Rotterdam june 2 (audience)
Check for more good bootlegs the On Evere bootlegs website
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His guitar playing on sultans that tour was as good as I've ever heard, lightning quick, new and unusual scales.
It was great to see him in some smaller, slightly unusual venues. I distinctly remember Guildford, standing only in the floor area. Brilliant gig. Also my first time at the RAH as well. Fabulous memories....
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Thanks, guys. Listening to the Berlin show now on YouTube. Terrific stuff. Great setlist with so many songs from the GH album.
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Vaison 96, the soundboard!
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His guitar playing on sultans that tour was as good as I've ever heard, lightning quick, new and unusual scales.
It was great to see him in some smaller, slightly unusual venues. I distinctly remember Guildford, standing only in the floor area. Brilliant gig. Also my first time at the RAH as well. Fabulous memories....
I saw him at the Town & Country in Leeds and stood next to Ed Bicknell for a lot of the show. I told him I was very excited - he said he was nervous! He autographed my tour book. It was really a fantastic experience in quite a small venue and the set list was amazing. One of my most memorable concerts!
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Vaison is my favourite next to Hamburg. Galway has A LOT of songs and has great sound. Gravy Train is on there too.
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The 'Copenhagen 10.06.1996' (Soundboard) - is by far my favourite Golden Heart tour recording.....Fabulous sound!
'Golden Encores' is a good compilation of rarer songs :wave
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Vaison
Hamburg
Copenhagen
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Thanks!
I am kind of rediscovering Mark by listening to these shows.
I'm finding that early DS and the 90s period (GH and NHB) are my favorite periods of Mark's career. He has made a lot of fine music since, but his live performances have gradually become less and less my cup of tea. Just my opinion.
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Listening to a recording from Royal Albert Hall. Sounds really, really good. I think I prefer audience recordings more than soundboards because they capture the room too. And this show also includes A Storybook Love / Vic and Ray - so great.
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And on that tour you also get The Long Highway. I would love to hear that song live again.
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And on that tour you also get The Long Highway. I would love to hear that song live again.
which incidentally is an amazing song!! and like you would love to hear that played again.....
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And on that tour you also get The Long Highway. I would love to hear that song live again.
which incidentally is an amazing song!! and like you would love to hear that played again.....
Who wouldn't! :P :P
;) ;)
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And on that tour you also get The Long Highway. I would love to hear that song live again.
which incidentally is an amazing song!! and like you would love to hear that played again.....
Who wouldn't! :P :P
;) ;)
:wave :wave
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The best 2h 20min you'll spend - Arnhem '96 video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81QaSWEsTK4&t=4111s&frags=pl%2Cwn
Great TR.
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The best 2h 20min you'll spend - Arnhem '96 video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81QaSWEsTK4&t=4111s&frags=pl%2Cwn (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81QaSWEsTK4&t=4111s&frags=pl%2Cwn)
Great TR.
Will check this out. Just clicked the link to have a quick peek, and it was straight to Done With Bonaparte. Quick band intro, and, of course "You and me, Rich. And the rest of you, good luck". Can't believe Mark still says that in 2019. Not quite comedy gold, and it hasn't gotten any better with age ha-ha!
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Edit: Watched Telegraph Road. Incredible version. I need to check some versions from the STP tour to compare, but I'm pretty sure TR never sounded as good as this again. Insane playing. And the old Pensa Suhr and whatever amp he was using back then (Soldano still?) sounded so much better than the newer Pensas and amps.
As I said, I need to check the STP tours, but it seems to me there is markedly difference in his playing before and after the motorcycle accident.
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The best 2h 20min you'll spend - Arnhem '96 video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81QaSWEsTK4&t=4111s&frags=pl%2Cwn (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81QaSWEsTK4&t=4111s&frags=pl%2Cwn)
Great TR.
Will check this out. Just clicked the link to have a quick peek, and it was straight to Done With Bonaparte. Quick band intro, and, of course "You and me, Rich. And the rest of you, good luck". Can't believe Mark still says that in 2019. Not quite comedy gold, and it hasn't gotten any better with age ha-ha!
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Edit: Watched Telegraph Road. Incredible version. I need to check some versions from the STP tour to compare, but I'm pretty sure TR never sounded as good as this again. Insane playing. And the old Pensa Suhr and whatever amp he was using back then (Soldano still?) sounded so much better than the newer Pensas and amps.
As I said, I need to check the STP tours, but it seems to me there is markedly difference in his playing before and after the motorcycle accident.
Crate amps in 1996.
Motorcycle accident was 2002.
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The best 2h 20min you'll spend - Arnhem '96 video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81QaSWEsTK4&t=4111s&frags=pl%2Cwn (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81QaSWEsTK4&t=4111s&frags=pl%2Cwn)
Great TR.
Will check this out. Just clicked the link to have a quick peek, and it was straight to Done With Bonaparte. Quick band intro, and, of course "You and me, Rich. And the rest of you, good luck". Can't believe Mark still says that in 2019. Not quite comedy gold, and it hasn't gotten any better with age ha-ha!
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Edit: Watched Telegraph Road. Incredible version. I need to check some versions from the STP tour to compare, but I'm pretty sure TR never sounded as good as this again. Insane playing. And the old Pensa Suhr and whatever amp he was using back then (Soldano still?) sounded so much better than the newer Pensas and amps.
As I said, I need to check the STP tours, but it seems to me there is markedly difference in his playing before and after the motorcycle accident.
Crate amps in 1996.
Motorcycle accident was 2002.
I think I've heard he used the Crate amps mainly for clean sounds (the song Golden Heart for instance). Not sure.
Listened to Lyon and Nimes from 2001, and though they are very good versions, the 1996 versions I've heard are better still. From 2005 onwards, he never had the same fluidity in his playing.
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Been a long time since I listened to some GH shows, Loving the setlist at Galway. Brilliant, Gravy train... what a song!
Marks shows have definitely changed over the years as his guitar playing has become less of a focus. I'm not a huge fan of the songwriting on golden heart, but the guitar playing on the album and tour... definitely his peak.
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The best 2h 20min you'll spend - Arnhem '96 video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81QaSWEsTK4&t=4111s&frags=pl%2Cwn (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81QaSWEsTK4&t=4111s&frags=pl%2Cwn)
Great TR.
Will check this out. Just clicked the link to have a quick peek, and it was straight to Done With Bonaparte. Quick band intro, and, of course "You and me, Rich. And the rest of you, good luck". Can't believe Mark still says that in 2019. Not quite comedy gold, and it hasn't gotten any better with age ha-ha!
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Edit: Watched Telegraph Road. Incredible version. I need to check some versions from the STP tour to compare, but I'm pretty sure TR never sounded as good as this again. Insane playing. And the old Pensa Suhr and whatever amp he was using back then (Soldano still?) sounded so much better than the newer Pensas and amps.
As I said, I need to check the STP tours, but it seems to me there is markedly difference in his playing before and after the motorcycle accident.
Crate amps in 1996.
Motorcycle accident was 2002.
The motorcycle accident was in March 2003.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1425010/Rock-star-hurt-in-motorcycle-crash.html
:wave
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Yeah, so my point was that Mark played superb guitar in 96, and after checking some STP shows, I feel there was a slight decline. But after the accident in 2003, from the 2005 tour onwards, I think his playing got noticeably worse. Gone was the fluidity and dexterity and fire in his playing. It was of course never terrible, but some songs such as Sultans simply became a meandering mess, to my ears at least.
There is the ageing process and his giving priority to songwriting over guitar playing (i.e. lack of practice), of course, but I'm curious how much the accident contributed to this.
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Yeah, so my point was that Mark played superb guitar in 96, and after checking some STP shows, I feel there was a slight decline. But after the accident in 2003, from the 2005 tour onwards, I think his playing got noticeably worse. Gone was the fluidity and dexterity and fire in his playing. It was of course never terrible, but some songs such as Sultans simply became a meandering mess, to my ears at least.
There is the ageing process and his giving priority to songwriting over guitar playing (i.e. lack of practice), of course, but I'm curious how much the accident contributed to this.
Sultans "a meandering mess"? Some of the 2010 concerts had wonderful Sultans. Have you listened to Manchester and Brighton from 2010? TR is great, too, from many of the 2010 concerts.
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Yeah, so my point was that Mark played superb guitar in 96, and after checking some STP shows, I feel there was a slight decline. But after the accident in 2003, from the 2005 tour onwards, I think his playing got noticeably worse. Gone was the fluidity and dexterity and fire in his playing. It was of course never terrible, but some songs such as Sultans simply became a meandering mess, to my ears at least.
There is the ageing process and his giving priority to songwriting over guitar playing (i.e. lack of practice), of course, but I'm curious how much the accident contributed to this.
Sultans "a meandering mess"? Some of the 2010 concerts had wonderful Sultans. Have you listened to Manchester and Brighton from 2010? TR is great, too, from many of the 2010 concerts.
I don't remember which concerts I have or have not listened to, but I have listened to enough shows from all the tours to have been quite underwhelmed. Obviously, some (you used the word "some" as well) versions of Sultans were good, even great, but nothing like before. I don't remember when he started doing this, but at some point the Sultans solos became a series of disjointed phrases that really didn't go anywhere. Like he didn't complete the storyline. And this got worse with time and resulted in Sultans feeling meandering and messy. There were several good Telegraph versions too, but they pale in comparison to the 96 versions (IMO).
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Yeah, so my point was that Mark played superb guitar in 96, and after checking some STP shows, I feel there was a slight decline. But after the accident in 2003, from the 2005 tour onwards, I think his playing got noticeably worse. Gone was the fluidity and dexterity and fire in his playing. It was of course never terrible, but some songs such as Sultans simply became a meandering mess, to my ears at least.
There is the ageing process and his giving priority to songwriting over guitar playing (i.e. lack of practice), of course, but I'm curious how much the accident contributed to this.
Sultans "a meandering mess"? Some of the 2010 concerts had wonderful Sultans. Have you listened to Manchester and Brighton from 2010? TR is great, too, from many of the 2010 concerts.
I don't remember which concerts I have or have not listened to, but I have listened to enough shows from all the tours to have been quite underwhelmed. Obviously, some (you used the word "some" as well) versions of Sultans were good, even great, but nothing like before. I don't remember when he started doing this, but at some point the Sultans solos became a series of disjointed phrases that really didn't go anywhere. Like he didn't complete the storyline. And this got worse with time and resulted in Sultans feeling meandering and messy. There were several good Telegraph versions too, but they pale in comparison to the 96 versions (IMO).
Are you listening to YouTube recordings or official soundboard recordings? I can't find any of the examples I have mentioned on YT, so unless you have the soundboard it's possible you haven't heard them.
I, too, have been listening to Sultans and TR from the beginning and there are many wonderful versions from before 1996 and since!
Just out of interest, have you attended any of the concerts on this tour? :)
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The best 2h 20min you'll spend - Arnhem '96 video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81QaSWEsTK4&t=4111s&frags=pl%2Cwn (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81QaSWEsTK4&t=4111s&frags=pl%2Cwn)
Great TR.
Will check this out. Just clicked the link to have a quick peek, and it was straight to Done With Bonaparte. Quick band intro, and, of course "You and me, Rich. And the rest of you, good luck". Can't believe Mark still says that in 2019. Not quite comedy gold, and it hasn't gotten any better with age ha-ha!
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Edit: Watched Telegraph Road. Incredible version. I need to check some versions from the STP tour to compare, but I'm pretty sure TR never sounded as good as this again. Insane playing. And the old Pensa Suhr and whatever amp he was using back then (Soldano still?) sounded so much better than the newer Pensas and amps.
As I said, I need to check the STP tours, but it seems to me there is markedly difference in his playing before and after the motorcycle accident.
Crate amps in 1996.
Motorcycle accident was 2002.
The motorcycle accident was in March 2003.
Of course. There are some things you want to forget. :smack
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Just out of interest, have you attended any of the concerts on this tour? :)
No, I haven't. On purpose. I was so-so satisfied with the Tracker show I attended, and I didn't expect him to get any better as he got older, so I passed. Now I wish I had gone to hear at least Once Upon a Time and Bacon Roll and to experience the new sound system, but the rest of the show has left me cold (listening to several downloads and YT clips). And, honestly, seeing him frail and old like this is pretty sad. He's the same age as my parents, and the sense I have that they are withering away also applies to Mark. I want to keep as many good memories of him as I can. If that makes any sense.
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Yeah, so my point was that Mark played superb guitar in 96, and after checking some STP shows, I feel there was a slight decline. But after the accident in 2003, from the 2005 tour onwards, I think his playing got noticeably worse. Gone was the fluidity and dexterity and fire in his playing. It was of course never terrible, but some songs such as Sultans simply became a meandering mess, to my ears at least.
There is the ageing process and his giving priority to songwriting over guitar playing (i.e. lack of practice), of course, but I'm curious how much the accident contributed to this.
I would absolutely agree with what you say here. I seem to remember him saying that the accident resulted in him not being able to hold an acoustic guitar (which he uses for practicing). Perhaps he just never got back into the routine of practicing again. Since then he has always sounded sloppy to me until well into the tours.
The StP tour was the last great tour IMO (which was a slight step down) with only TR to recommend the SL tour of 2005.
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Just out of interest, have you attended any of the concerts on this tour? :)
No, I haven't. On purpose. I was so-so satisfied with the Tracker show I attended, and I didn't expect him to get any better as he got older, so I passed. Now I wish I had gone to hear at least Once Upon a Time and Bacon Roll and to experience the new sound system, but the rest of the show has left me cold (listening to several downloads and YT clips). And, honestly, seeing him frail and old like this is pretty sad. He's the same age as my parents, and the sense I have that they are withering away also applies to Mark. I want to keep as many good memories of him as I can. If that makes any sense.
Mark is definitely not withering away! Of course he looks older than he did in 2015 and his health doesn't seem to be 100%, but he was great in the concerts and I loved all of the ones I attended - so did the audiences btw, especially Verona! ;D I'm not withering away either and I'm a good few years older than MK! :lol
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Just out of interest, have you attended any of the concerts on this tour? :)
No, I haven't. On purpose. I was so-so satisfied with the Tracker show I attended, and I didn't expect him to get any better as he got older, so I passed. Now I wish I had gone to hear at least Once Upon a Time and Bacon Roll and to experience the new sound system, but the rest of the show has left me cold (listening to several downloads and YT clips). And, honestly, seeing him frail and old like this is pretty sad. He's the same age as my parents, and the sense I have that they are withering away also applies to Mark. I want to keep as many good memories of him as I can. If that makes any sense.
Mark is definitely not withering away! Of course he looks older than he did in 2015 and his health doesn't seem to be 100%, but he was great in the concerts and I loved all of the ones I attended - so did the audiences btw, especially Verona! ;D I'm not withering away either and I'm a good few years older than MK! :lol
OK, "withering away" was the wrong choice of words. "Time taking its toll" perhaps? :)
I'm happy you had a good experience. I'm still happy about my choice. And I'm thankful that there are plenty of videos and recordings that document the various periods of Mark's career and make it possible to relive the many great moments.
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Just out of interest, have you attended any of the concerts on this tour? :)
No, I haven't. On purpose. I was so-so satisfied with the Tracker show I attended, and I didn't expect him to get any better as he got older, so I passed. Now I wish I had gone to hear at least Once Upon a Time and Bacon Roll and to experience the new sound system, but the rest of the show has left me cold (listening to several downloads and YT clips). And, honestly, seeing him frail and old like this is pretty sad. He's the same age as my parents, and the sense I have that they are withering away also applies to Mark. I want to keep as many good memories of him as I can. If that makes any sense.
Mark is definitely not withering away! Of course he looks older than he did in 2015 and his health doesn't seem to be 100%, but he was great in the concerts and I loved all of the ones I attended - so did the audiences btw, especially Verona! ;D I'm not withering away either and I'm a good few years older than MK! :lol
OK, "withering away" was the wrong choice of words. "Time taking its toll" perhaps? :)
I'm happy you had a good experience. I'm still happy about my choice. And I'm thankful that there are plenty of videos and recordings that document the various periods of Mark's career and make it possible to relive the many great moments.
I was very glad to have been at all of the concerts I have attended over the years and there have been lots of stand-out ones which I will always remember, but I'm happy to move forward with Mark as he adjusts to the kind of music he is capable of now. :)
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Yeah, so my point was that Mark played superb guitar in 96, and after checking some STP shows, I feel there was a slight decline. But after the accident in 2003, from the 2005 tour onwards, I think his playing got noticeably worse. Gone was the fluidity and dexterity and fire in his playing. It was of course never terrible, but some songs such as Sultans simply became a meandering mess, to my ears at least.
There is the ageing process and his giving priority to songwriting over guitar playing (i.e. lack of practice), of course, but I'm curious how much the accident contributed to this.
Sultans "a meandering mess"? Some of the 2010 concerts had wonderful Sultans. Have you listened to Manchester and Brighton from 2010? TR is great, too, from many of the 2010 concerts.
Yeah, considering his back ache this year, Paris 2010 has exceptional TR (albeit the karaoke mode instead of the first solo). The end solo is almost on par with 2005.
True, 1996 playing was exceptional, but the setlist didn't have yet his best solo songs (WII, SAN, STP, HFB, WAM,...)
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Vaison 96 is outstanding
Tales of the Heart is a short 1cd set but great sound
Wolverhampton 96 has terrible sound but a really great show !