A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: dustyvalentino on August 15, 2009, 08:35:47 PM
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Just realised I don't have a recording from the 2001 tour on my iPod, which do you think is the best?
If memory serves there was not a complete soundboard recording from this tour. :( Closest I think was Hamburg, that has one audience track added? But I seem to remember it's quite compressed an lifeless sounding. But anyway, opinions welcome.
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Chicago 2001 is an audience recording but has a spectacular good quality. But the mistakes at "Sultans" often spoil the show for me. But a great
sound, and MK was very talkative that evening. Great Calling Elvis, even great Walk of Life. It seems the Hamburg radio recording which was originally done be the NDR2 team has been broadcasted by other stations like german WDR, and they didn
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I'm not technical so I may be using the wrong terms. All I know is that, from memory, the 01 Hamburg recording sounded a bit "flat" and lifeless compared to, say, Hambur 96 or Vaison 96.
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Yes, me the same, I cannot describe it any better. I only know that ndr2 IS using compression and so there a no dynamics on a broadcast, low parts are
nearly the same level as louder or more dynamic parts. But the whole show was not the best from the tour. The shortest it also was. And Calling Elvis had some sound and monitoring problems. And What It Is really sounds awful from that evening.
The whole 2001 I recall from memory as a very weak one compared to the later tours. As cool as Mike Henderson looked, he and also Geraint Watkins
were "responsible" for a lot of greenies, minor mistakes and overall a little worse performance. But Speedway at that tour, with changing one acoustic
guitar after the other, so that finally three guitars were changed to electric, was one of the coolest "show effects" I have seen from him. Far cooler than the tea episode I think. Pyroman of course was also great. But everything I saw (there is also a Toronto bootleg, audio and video), was not as good as
nearly every crowfly show.
Just my two cents.
LE
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Actually, I forgot about the LA matrix, that's probably up there.
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My 2001 favourite
Los Angeles
Greak Theatre May 20th 2001
IEM stereo source
DISC ONE:
1. Calling Elvis
2. Walk of life
3. R
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Actually, I forgot about the LA matrix, that's probably up there.
Here http://tracker.knopflertk.net/torrents-details.php?id=462
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The whole 2001 I recall from memory as a very weak one compared to the later tours. As cool as Mike Henderson looked, he and also Geraint Watkins were "responsible" for a lot of greenies, minor mistakes and overall a little worse performance. But Speedway at that tour, with changing one acoustic guitar after the other, so that finally three guitars were changed to electric, was one of the coolest "show effects" I have seen from him. Far cooler than the tea episode I think. Pyroman of course was also great. But everything I saw (there is also a Toronto bootleg, audio and video), was not as good as
nearly every crowfly show.
Just my two cents.
LE
I must agree to most of what you wrote (Mike playing way too loud also) but 2001 does feature one of the coolest version of R&J I ever heard with intro played by Richard, the great Junkie Doll, the greasy Pyroman. But in 2005 there was this "ventre mou" in the middle of the show following the sometime erratic rendition of SOS. But the Thursday night at the RAH was really a great night.
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lucca was awesome too. as was brussels, with the soundchecks...
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Don't forget toronto! It's both audience and soundboard recording. Who's your baby now, Sailing to philadelphia, Brothers in arms and Speedway at nazareth are released on singles and bonus discs. Lucca is a nice recording as well but the sound quality is not as good as toronto.
Unfortunately the soundboard recording I have is not complete... Walk of life / Who's your baby now / Sailing to philadelphia / Junkie doll / Speedway at nazareth / Pyroman / Brothers in arms / So far away
Of course, you can add some other soundboard recordings to create a "complete" concert.
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I actually thought the 2001 tour was one of the best. I think Nimes 2001 (especially the two camera DVD) was my favorite, but it's been a while since I listened to any of this stuff, so there may be other great '01 shows as well. The weakest tour to me was the MK/EH tour a few years back.
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The STP tour was the best in my opinion so far.
Very cool US gigs and the south american dates are legendary.
Remember SAN with the guitar switching (you are absolutely right Expresso)
The Bass smash in Pyroman,Wag the Dog and Junkie Doll.
Also very cool setlist changes 2001. And: MK did a lot of signing after and before the shows.
He was very relaxed on that tour.
Chad Cromwell added very dynamics drums.
The L.A. in ear recording is the most complete SB recording.
Very good audience recordings are: Vancouver,Seattle and Portland
One of the longest Gigs and also with a good sound: Buenos Aires
But the strongest show was Detroit. What great versions. And MK was in a very good mood. Always jokin'...
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Right now I think that the STP 2001 tour was the worst MK tour ever...
Mike Henderson and Geraint Watkins were on the band and even they are good musicians, they were not musicians for the MK band at all, they were problaly very low quality musicians in comparation with all the rest of musicians that played with MK in his tours. Actually Mike Henderson just make horrible noises with his guitar, but played quite correct with the harmonica and the violin, also quite nice on mandolin. Geraint Watkins was correct in piano / hammond / accordion, but just that. Matt Rollings was far far far better.
The high point of that tout was Chad Cromwell, that played their best tour with MK, and the trio Junkie Doll / Pyroman / Speedway made the end of the show fucking amazing, together with the MFN version with the delta blues intro and the amazing Chad drum solo at the very beguining made that part of the show one of my favourites ever.
The rest of the show was quite boring and very low profile played
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I think it was one of the best tours, great setlist, Chad Cromwell (most people would kill me if I said I liked him better then DC), but also the beginning of downfall of Sos in my opinion.
I liked the Denver 2001 show and the already mentioned chicago 2001 from aud recordings, and LA iem monitor sbd recording. I don't like the sound of lucca and hamburg. I'm not at home right now, but if i remember correctly the hamburg show was an fm broadcast?
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I loved the StP tour personally and there are a lot of very good sounding recordings available from it. Unfortunately Bilbao is one of the best concerts and one of the worst sounding! Lots of nice versions of Sultans from this tour though. Although it was the first tour where it was played in the shortened version, it still had plenty of energy and the version from San Francisco 18.05.01 (among many others) is fantastic IMO. As for a whole concert in good sound, well Newark, Minneapolis, Lyon, they're all good.
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The best SOS of the 2001 tour must be the one from Boston... ;D It's a very rare version. Best BIA was played in Amsterdam, 2005, second night. ;) :P
Just kidding. I loved the MFN version played in 2001, beautiful intro although the whole setlist was not as good as KTGC tour.
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Think I need to dig out my STP 3CD compilation.
Although I haven't listened to it for a while, my memory of the 01 tour is that it was good, most of the reasons already mentioned:
Eclectic sets, with lots of great tracks from the wonderful STP album and also Wag the Dog, also new material (and a rocker!) in the form of Pyroman
Special guests like Jackson Browne, Bonnie Raitt, James Taylor and Sonny Landreth
Mike Henderson - I thought he was a great player and really kept MK on his toes. Although this did mean that Richard Bennett was sidelined somewhat.
Money for Nothing intro
So Far Away returned after a long absence. Yes, we're bored with it now, but it was great to hear it again on that tour
As for the critiscisms (sp), I didn't notice any mistakes from Mike Henderson or Geraint Watkins, maybe I didn't listen to enough shows.
Slightly off topic, but can anybody remember the name of the multi-instrumentalist who was going to join the band for the 03 tour before it was cancelled?
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The cast for that tour should have been:
MK
GF
RB
DC
Geraint Watkins
Dudley Philips
Chad and Glenn had other things to do...
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Slightly off topic, but can anybody remember the name of the multi-instrumentalist who was going to join the band for the 03 tour before it was cancelled?
Fat Kaplin
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The more I think about it, I changed my mind. The Shangri-La tour is my favorite, followed up by the 2001 StP tour. For Shangri-La, the setlist was perfect as every song just seemed to flow right into each other. There were also some really powerful shows that were never truly reproduced like 6/13/05 and 6/28/05. Sultans always called for a standing ovation.
I really enjoyed that more than the Kill to Get Crimson tour, where MK insisted on cutting out half of his guitar solos and Danny's drum fills. ::) It took away a lot from the show IMO. Hill Farmer's Blues was great, but it was stuck between the Fish and The Bird and Romeo & Juliet, and the whole set just didn't seem to flow as well.
Just my 2 cents...
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The cast for that tour should have been:
MK
GF
RB
DC
Geraint Watkins
Dudley Philips
Chad and Glenn had other things to do...
HUm
Correct line up :
Mark Knopfler: guitars/vocals
Guy Fletcher: keyboards, musical director
Danny Cummings: drums
Marcus Cliffe: bass
Jim Cox: keyboards
Richard Bennett: guitars
Fats Kaplin: guitar, fiddle, violin, pedal steel
Source : MK-News.co.uk
I guess that Jim Cox would have not made it in the end as his hearing problem turned out being unresolved.
And Fats bios is still there :
http://www.mark-knopfler-news.co.uk/biogs/Fats.html (http://www.mark-knopfler-news.co.uk/biogs/Fats.html)
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For me Geraint Watkins was a miscast. He is an excellent honky tonk piano player but when it comes the time to perform TR for example he was not the right man to play on that.
Mike Henderson as third guitarist was most of time too numerous for the show. I mean it was great to have him on intro of MFN or the first part of STN but the rest of the time his guitar work was not adding something special, there was not really room for him when you get MK and RB already playing. His violin on WII or mandolin on JD or mouth harp on Pyroman were much more valuable contribution. But if he had left the stage during TR or BIA nobody would have noticed.
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Think I need to dig out my STP 3CD compilation.
Man, I think you are talking about a 3 cd compilation that I created at the end of 2001 and I managed to distribute in cd trees loooooooooong ago, and when torrent heaven (knopflertk) revamped, I uploaded it there!!!!
I
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Think I need to dig out my STP 3CD compilation.
Man, I think you are talking about a 3 cd compilation that I created at the end of 2001 and I managed to distribute in cd trees loooooooooong ago, and when torrent heaven (knopflertk) revamped, I uploaded it there!!!!
I
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Yep, that's it, was one of the earliest trees I was involved in, bravo for your efforts!
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Think I need to dig out my STP 3CD compilation.
Although I haven't listened to it for a while, my memory of the 01 tour is that it was good, most of the reasons already mentioned:
Eclectic sets, with lots of great tracks from the wonderful STP album and also Wag the Dog, also new material (and a rocker!) in the form of Pyroman
Special guests like Jackson Browne, Bonnie Raitt, James Taylor and Sonny Landreth
Mike Henderson - I thought he was a great player and really kept MK on his toes. Although this did mean that Richard Bennett was sidelined somewhat.
Money for Nothing intro
So Far Away returned after a long absence. Yes, we're bored with it now, but it was great to hear it again on that tour
As for the critiscisms (sp), I didn't notice any mistakes from Mike Henderson or Geraint Watkins, maybe I didn't listen to enough shows.
Slightly off topic, but can anybody remember the name of the multi-instrumentalist who was going to join the band for the 03 tour before it was cancelled?
That reminds me, I seem to remember Guy mentioning a while ago that they had planned on playing On Every Street on that tour. Love to hear that again. Wonder what the arrangement would be like without Paul Franklin? Guy on lapsteel?
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That would have been Fats Kaplin I guess as he plays guitar, fiddle, violin & pedal steel. A lap steel is a complete different instrument than a pedal steel, though it may look like similar.
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I went to only one of the 2001 concerts, at the RAH, and was really disappointed. It is the only time I have come home from an MK show feeling like that. I felt that there were too many guitarists on stage, especially Mike Henderson, who was much too overpowering and I didn't like his style of guitar-playing much at all.
The highlights of the show for me were "Junkie Doll" and "Prairie Wedding", both played superbly by Mark. MFN was good too, with the new intro and "Pyroman" and "Speedway" were amazing, but "R & J" just didn't do it for me, neither did BIA or Telegraph Road.
I have the 2001 Chicago concert and I feel that it is a very patchy performance. The sound quality is superb, but SOS was not played well and "Done with Bonaparte" sounded to me like the band had just lost interest. However the performance of "TR" made up for the low points as did "STP" and "Speedway". "R & J" was lovely too!
The 2001 Toronto concert, though, does have one of my favourite versions of BIA and STP is great too. :)
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Interesting to hear others favourite versions from the tour. How about:
StP - Toronto
R&J - Philadelphia 26.04.01
SoS - San Francisco 18.05.01
JD - Helsinki
BA - Chicago
SAN - London 05.06.01
TR - Minneapolis
PW - Vancouver
BiA - Toronto
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My favourites from that tour are
New Orleans: with Sonny Landreth as guest that night
Los Angeles: with Jackson Browne (playing pretty bad) and Bonnie Raitt (playing like heaven)
Nashville: with Paul Franklin, Emmyloh Harris, Gillian Welch and Dave Rawlings
Badalona: Amazing concert from the start to the end with the best crowd I
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and others that are close to perfect..
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and others that are close to perfect..
Really? With Mike Henderson making noise as loud as hell, or Geraint Watkins hiting the piano like a chimpance? ;D
The worst tour ever made by MK, with probably the best Chad Cromwell of all times...
;) ;) ;)
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there were still some great moments, boston is full of it, as is nimes, lucca, brussels (that i was there of course does not cloud my judgment a bit) ....