A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: twm on February 23, 2012, 01:00:44 PM
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Since some of you are getting a bit antsy, perhaps this will pique your interest:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16991890
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Which building do you think Bob's guitar came from - the hotel or the pub? ;D
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Thanks for that. So many great luthiers out there.
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Bob and Martin guitars:-
http://www.americansongwriter.com/2012/02/bob-dylan-and-martin-guitars/
Now a fan site:-
http://dylanchords.info/professors/dylans_guitars.htm
There have also been some articles on Dylan's guitars in ISIS magazine, written by the editor, Derek Barker. Derek, in the past, worked for Island Records and was, at one time, in the road crew for Mott The Hoople. Derek has also spent quite a lot of time with Cesar Diaz, including visiting him at his home in Puerto Rico before his unfortunate death. Cesar was Dylan's guitar tech for some years. Derek knows his guitars.
This website apparently contains some inaccuracies:
http://www.highway61revisited.com/guitar.htm
Joel Gilbert, who runs this nlast site, heads a Dylan tribute band that occasionally includes former members of Dylan's touring bands. I only met Joel Gilbert once and did not much like him. The videos on Dylan that he produces tend to divide his fans. Nevertheless, you might enjoy the pictures.
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I'd like to hear Bob place his order or discuss the technicalities of the instruments. I can imagine the luthier sending a few letters or emails back to clarify a few points, "Dear Mr Dylan, We do need to ask you to be a bit more specific about the color, what exactly do you mean by 'akin to an Egyption moon-godess tangled up in blue'? Is that a dark blue?" To which Dylan responds: "Luthier, there is no. No. Blue. It's red. Red as the sun shining since time out of mind."
Could take a while.
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There is mention in the Martin Guitars piece about guitars with a "Bob Dylan" inlay. Apparently three were ordered by Cesar Diaz but were never used by Bob.
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Thanks a lot for this very interesting piece of information! In the process of investigating the links you provided I stumbled across an insightful interview of Mr. Bob, that I would like to share with AMIT:
http://www.americansongwriter.com/2012/01/bob-dylan-the-paul-zollo-interview-3/
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Thanks a lot for this very interesting piece of information! In the process of investigating the links you provided I stumbled across an insightful interview of Mr. Bob, that I would like to share with AMIT:
http://www.americansongwriter.com/2012/01/bob-dylan-the-paul-zollo-interview-3/
Great stuff! Thanks for sharing.
Bob is certainly a "character", for lack of a better word, but he certainly isn't boring!
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The Paul Zollo interview is a particularly good one. I contacted him soon after it appeared in SONGTALK magazine and actually bought a small stock of the Dylan issue, as well as copies of some of the other issues. There were some fascinating interviews in them. Was MK one of the interviewees by any chance?
Dylan was accompanied to the Zollo interview, as I recall, by Elliot Mintz, who interjected a time or two. Mintz is a well-known PR person, who represented John Lennon or his estate for a while. I did meet him once outside one of Dylan's London shows and, subsequently, had a few direct dealings by phone and fax. He was courteous but cagey, especially about revealing too much. Sometimes, one had to divine the meaning behind his words by considering carefully how he expressed something rather than what he actually said. Other times, it was what he didn't say in a given situation that was the real clue. Mostly though, he said almost nothing but said it very well. He hasn't done Dylan's PR for years.
Zollo produced a book called "Songwriters on Songwriting", which is still available to the best of my knowledge.
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Incidentally, contrary to popular wisdom, Dylan has done hundreds of interviews, press conferences and similar over the years.
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I saw this one a while back, not very long, and particularly great, but I just like the way Dylan appears here. So "normal", if you know what I mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW0vIWEILzA
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Just checked. Yes, MK did do an interview for SONGTALK. Vol 2 Issue 13 for Spring 1990, pp 3, 40 and 41. He talks about Dylan in the course of the interview.
The same issue has an interview with Mick Taylor, too. He says of touring with Bob: It was great. I enjoyed working with him more than anyone else I've ever worked with in my career.
There's also Part One of a hugely long interview with Paul Simon, plus something with Art G.
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Thanks a lot for this very interesting piece of information! In the process of investigating the links you provided I stumbled across an insightful interview of Mr. Bob, that I would like to share with AMIT:
http://www.americansongwriter.com/2012/01/bob-dylan-the-paul-zollo-interview-3/
Great stuff! Thanks for sharing.
Bob is certainly a "character", for lack of a better word, but he certainly isn't boring!
yeah. like it a lot too.
this is an interesting part:
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and:
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This is Dhani Harrison's view of Dylan:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzu1twAb9s1rpmn3lo1_500.jpg
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Just checked. Yes, MK did do an interview for SONGTALK. Vol 2 Issue 13 for Spring 1990, pp 3, 40 and 41. He talks about Dylan in the course of the interview.
The same issue has an interview with Mick Taylor, too. He says of touring with Bob: It was great. I enjoyed working with him more than anyone else I've ever worked with in my career.
There's also Part One of a hugely long interview with Paul Simon, plus something with Art G.
do you have that, or can you somehow obtain and share it here twm?
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Yes, I do have it and I'm very happy to share it.
SONGTALK was a tabloid-size newspaper rather than a magazine and the interview covers three pages. What I would have to do is to take them into town to get the A3 sheets copied to A4 size, then to scan the A4 pages at home. Also, I can't seem to get images on to the site (I have tried before and failed) but I could, for example, send the images to you, Pottel, as attachments to an e-mail and you could post them on AMIT.
Of course, I could scan the pages in bits but that would be very messy to read. The way I've suggested should produce a better overall result.
Can I take it that this is "new" to MK collectors?
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i cannot remember ever seeing it, but that does not mean jack s.
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Sorry for the delay. Just managed to get tickets for Roger Daltrey with Paul Weller at the Albert Hall at the end of March but failed to get Macca tickets for the following night. It took time.
OK then, would you like me to do what I suggested?
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yes, pls do proceed in the proposed manner (the one that involves "me") :-)
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OK. I have to go into town this afternoon, with a tight schedule of appointments and things, but I'll try to fit the photocopying bit in.
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Perhaps the guitar freaks out there would like this:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2012/02/22/147264383/explore-george-harrisons-guitars
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Thanks for all the interesting links. The Zollo interview was very entertaining, Bob is a remarkable eclectic rambler and is full of contradictions. Makes me feel like reading Chronicles again.
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Just checked. Yes, MK did do an interview for SONGTALK. Vol 2 Issue 13 for Spring 1990, pp 3, 40 and 41. He talks about Dylan in the course of the interview.
The same issue has an interview with Mick Taylor, too. He says of touring with Bob: It was great. I enjoyed working with him more than anyone else I've ever worked with in my career.
There's also Part One of a hugely long interview with Paul Simon, plus something with Art G.
Is there a link to this? Or a way of buying the magazine????
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If it is just the MK interview that interests you, then I have scanned it and sent the scan to Pottel, who will try to post it somewhere accessible.
Just to whet your attitude.....
At the very end, MK is asked about "Secondary Waltz" (this was the first part of 1990) and MK says, I just found the words again (suggesting perhaps that the lyric was quite an old one). I think of schooldays. It's never been recorded. I should write a tune for it. How did you hear about it? Paul Zollo says that someone mentioned it to him and he was intrigued. MK: Yeah. It's about sadistic gym teachers. The interview then ends with laughter.
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Will post it later today. It is a reaaaaal good interview!
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Fantastic interview ;D...very insightful. Thanks to both Twm and Pottel for making it happen!
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isn't it? much more interesting then the usual interviews, where he plays safe and tells about the guitar catalogue smelling and stuff..
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Sorry, my PC's running slow today; I think the ISP does its maintenance over the weekend.
Anyway, I'm glad the interview is of interest to MK fans. Because my primary interest is Dylan and because my wife doesn't collect everything MK, I'm never sure what's out and about and what's not.
SONGTALK isn't published now but I have about half a dozen issues from the early 1990s and, if you are at all interested in songwriting, it is well worth looking out for copies. Most issues have interviews with several musicians and songwriters. The one with the MK interview has fewer than normal because the Paul Simon interview is massive (it ran over to the next issue) and because they ran an article on the first 50 years of BMI. Even so, it has interviews with Art Garfunkel, Mick Taylor and Paul McCartney, though the latter is only a page long.
Editor Paul Zollo knows his stuff and asks good questions and is also good at prompting interviewees quite subtly. Because it is a publication for songwriters (it was published by the National Academy of Songwriters) it tends not to go for the usual showbizzy stuff, concentrating on the inspiration, art and craft of songwriting. I think the interviewees know this and respond accordingly. They have also read the previously published interviews with their peers and counterparts, and do not wish to make fools of themselves.
I hope I've said enough to encourage you to keep your eyes open for copies
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Did some digging on Songtalk and came up with this interview with Dylan...I realize you guys have probably already seen this but in case you haven't...http://www.interferenza.com/bcs/interw/1991zollo.htm (http://www.interferenza.com/bcs/interw/1991zollo.htm). Bob seemed to have quite a laugh doing it ;).
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I think the Dylan interview exists as an audio recording with maybe an extra question. You'll notice Elliot Mintz interjects at one point towards the end. I seem to recall that he asked for one bit not to be used. It could have been something about a non-Dylan song (People Who Need People, perhaps). Some of it is great, Dylan saying that his songs are more confessional than professional, for example. It's like he was saving up that line for the right moment and this was it. It has a symmetry about it, a symmetry that I've used in the past, that Dylan's songs are more allusive than elusive. I also like the bit where Zollo quotes a lyric and Dylan responds by saying something like... Wait a minute, let me guess which song that's from ... and then gets it wrong. Priceless!
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I wondered during the Glasgow show if Dylan uses a screen with the lyrics or something on stage. He has so many songs and he changes the songs from show to show (sometimes many songs) and the lyrics are usually long and very specific... Is it possible that he has the ability to remember all his lyrics?
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Going back to the original post..I wonder if Mark has one of Mr. Kelly's guitars..he has so many guitars from other NYC area luthiers..Rudy Pensa and John Monteleone to name a couple. I'm sure there are more. I feel a question for Guy coming up.
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Mr Kelly said that Dylan did have one of his guitars, the body being made from the wood from one NYC building and the neck from the wood of another. One of the buildings was the Chelsea Hotel. I forget the other.
Certainly, in the past, Dylan has had lyrics on printed sheets but (a) it isn't sure that they are the whole lyrics and some have suggested that it is just the first lines of verses and (b) this seemed to be during a particular period of time and he seems not to do so more recently at all shows. That seems to be the view of Dylan people. There have been times when Dylan has forgotten lyrics or stumbled over lyrics in concert but he has also omitted lyrics and significantly changed lyrics compared with the album verses, as well.
There is a well-known occasion at the Supper Club when he was having difficulty starting a song and a girl (one I've met but don't really know) called out the first line and away he went. The next song, just to test her out I guess, he stepped forward and asked her the first line before he began it. She got it right, of course. I know this to be true (even though I wasn't close enough to witness it myself) because one of my friends was standing near her and told me.
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Thanks for the MK interview scans!!!
It read like a very 'happy' interview. Mark was clearly in a good mood. Some nice added insights to the usual stock answers to songs.
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Thanks for the MK interview scans!!!
It read like a very 'happy' interview. Mark was clearly in a good mood. Some nice added insights to the usual stock answers to songs.
exactly fletch!
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Mr Kelly said that Dylan did have one of his guitars, the body being made from the wood from one NYC building and the neck from the wood of another. One of the buildings was the Chelsea Hotel. I forget the other.
Certainly, in the past, Dylan has had lyrics on printed sheets but (a) it isn't sure that they are the whole lyrics and some have suggested that it is just the first lines of verses and (b) this seemed to be during a particular period of time and he seems not to do so more recently at all shows. That seems to be the view of Dylan people. There have been times when Dylan has forgotten lyrics or stumbled over lyrics in concert but he has also omitted lyrics and significantly changed lyrics compared with the album verses, as well.
There is a well-known occasion at the Supper Club when he was having difficulty starting a song and a girl (one I've met but don't really know) called out the first line and away he went. The next song, just to test her out I guess, he stepped forward and asked her the first line before he began it. She got it right, of course. I know this to be true (even though I wasn't close enough to witness it myself) because one of my friends was standing near her and told me.
remember the year (or even exact date) that this happened TWM? wanna check if i have it in my collection and listen to it.
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The four Supper Club shows were over two nights in November 1993. Dylan stepped forward in front of the mike, as I understand it, so I'm not sure exactly what would be heard. I'll try to get the details.
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I've asked my friend and this is what he said:
Third show, which is to say the first show second night. The song was One More Cup of Coffee. The intro went on and on and Bob was obviously floundering, in fact if I remember right what she told me was she heard him ask Tony for the first line. He didn
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yup, got it, gonna take a listen to it now:
Bob Dylan
Supper Club
11/17/93 (Early Show) &
11/17/93 (Late Show - Incomplete)
Taper: Lee J Randell
Source: Audio discs transferred from low gen cassette (2007).
Sound is excellent and I do not believe this particular recording has
circulated before now.
Disc One: 11/17/93 (Early Show)
1. Ragged And Dirty (traditional, arranged by Bob Dylan)
2. One More Cup Of Coffee (Valley Below)
3. Blood In My Eyes (traditional, arranged by Bob Dylan)
4. Queen Jane Approximately
5. I'll Be Your Baby Tonight
6. Disease Of Conceit
7. I Want You
8. Ring Them Bells
9. My Back Pages
10. Forever Young
Concert # 535 of The Never-Ending Tour. 1993 concert # 79.
Concert #79 with the 9th Never-Ending Tour Band: Bob Dylan (vocal & guitar),
Bucky Baxter (pedal steel guitar & electric slide guitar), John Jackson (guitar),
Tony Garnier (bass), Winston Watson (drums & percussion).
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but the next song seems to have been blood in my eyes (great song by the way)
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Yes, my friend indicated that the second song was at a later show, not the next song after "Cup Of Coffee"
"Weeping Willow" was an absolute bonus. Some years ago, I happened to be speaking on the phone to the guy who, back then, ran the Bob Dylan website at just the time he had got permission to post some Supper Club audios in the "Performance" section. He asked me which song I'd like and I answered immediately "Weeping Willow", as it was a one-off performance. A week or so later, it was on the site.
As is inevitable, somebody downloaded all the material that had been posted (a mixture of old and new, soundboard and audience recordings, covers and Dylan originals), selected the more unusual stuff and produced bootleg CDs. This did not go down well. Later, they got other people to do the site (Sony/Columbia staffers, I believe) and all the recordings got taken down.
Have you seen the list of what was posted, Pottel?
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i believe you posted this way back, on here as well, it was a very long list of stuff.
the shitty thing with an action like that is that it was probably downloaded as lossy files and spread as "lossless".
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Thanks for the Mark interview. Great read. So nice to read or hear something when Mark is genuinly interested. Interesting to read about what he thought about his songs.
I think how interested Mark is totally depends on how much respect he has for the interviewer and what kind of audience will read the interview.
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trying to hear what you describe twm, but it is an unruly audience...the intro takes a while, yes, ....have not heard the girl...gonna look for a dvd now :-)
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omg Twm, this show happens to have my #2 favorite BD song of all times on it "I Want You" ...so good...
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I've probably said before but I attended all four shows.
I wrote some notes about the shows in ISIS magazine and, when one of the bootleg albums appeared, the perpetrators had used my words as the liner notes but I didn't even get a copy of the bootleg set. And still don't have a copy.
Anyway, I have managed to dig out my notes on the incident in question and here's what I wrote, as an aside at the end of my piece:
As the band started the introduction to One More Cup Of Coffee, Dylan went across to Tony Garnier and asked, "What's the first line? I forgot". Garnier was also unsure. A girl at the front called out, "Your breath is sweet" and Dylan was away; he really went at the lyrics, seeming to thank the girl by his movements. Then, on the second show, he came out after the main set, walked up to her, bent down and asked, "What's the first line of I Shall Be Released?". On being told, he said, "Oh wow!" and did the song. The latter could have been a test, of course, but the episode raises an interesting possibility. When we find Dylan deviating from the cue sheet or seeming to start one song but actually beginning another, perhaps (just "perhaps"), he is simply singing a song whose first line he can recall at that precise moment.
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I've just checked one of the boxes in the garage and retrieved "Songwiters on Songwriting", a book by Paul Zollo, and the Mark KNopfler interview is contained in that (pp.158 - 162). I have the 1991 edition of the book (published by Writer's Digest Books) but I believe an expanded edition of the book was publsihed later. I assume the MK interview is included in that expanded edition but I haven't checked. Neither have I checked that the full MK interview is in the book but I guess it is.
Anyway, I would recommend the book to anyone with an interest in the subject. Its 31 interviewees include Paul Simon, Carole King, Gerry Goffin, Jimmy Webb, Randy Newman, Van Dyke Parks, Rodney Crowell, Lamont Dozier, Willie Dixon, Brian Wilson and all sorts of others. Some of it is not strictly about songwriting but is still interesting. The songs covered in the text are listed at the end and the list runs to 10 pages.
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Going back to Dylan's guitar from old New York, I think the other place the wood came from was Chumley's.
They tear down places willy-nilly in the Staes. For reasons too boring to tell, I was doing a bit of google-mapping earlier and cross-referencing to google street-view. I looked for a street that I knew very well in Hartford, Connecticut a long, long time ago. It is unrecognizable today. I don't just mean minor changes, upgrades or gentrification but total change. What I can recall has been obliterated and for more than one whole block. The old buildings are just gone and the street is much wider. The quite small junction with a cross street is now quite a major junction. The church on the corner with Main Street is still there and that's about it. It is inevitable but very disheartening. And no guitars from the remnants as far as I know.
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true, my hometown of Antwerp has seen such drastic changes as well, especially in the 60/70 only for worse.
what they do there these days is much more interesting and with love for detail.
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It seems like anything that was built in the 60s and 70s was done without ANY aesthetic considerations. This was of course very much true for the countries under Communism, where everything should be functional and bear no resemblance to the aesthetics of the "bourgois". But even in the "free West" the fashion was square grey concrete buildings. I'm from Norway, and in Norway there are tons of beautiful little picturesque towns with wooden buildings that have had their town centres completely destroyed by erecting such buildings. Architectural rape!
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I was in my old home city of Liverpool at the weekend and I was horrified to find that next to the (still) magnificent buildings on the waterfront - The Liver Building, The Cunard Building and The Mersey Docks & Harbour Board Building, another building has appeared, resembling a very large black glass box! Apparently, there were endless protests from the public, but it went ahead anyway - money talks in these cases! Now, what was once a beautiful view from The Albert Dock to the waterfront is obliterated by this monstrous new building! :disbelief
What is even worse, is when beautiful old buildings are "improved" with tacky new facades, eventually ending up as take-aways or seedy cafes and restaurants and the next thing is they go out of business and are boarded up! Gone are the original beautiful buildings! >:(
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For some strange reason I feel compelled to listen to "Telegraph Road" while reading this thread.
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suits you sir, suits you! :-)
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sorry to get back to this thread again, but I've just found the time to read the itw scanned by Pottel, and WOOOWWW !!!!
really great itw
Of course I know the secondary waltz version from 95 (golden demos), but how the journalist had the info of this song in 90 ? :o
I remember reading that this song was wrote during DS days, but It's very strange that a journalist knew a song still not recorded ! even not in a outtake !
even Mark seems surprised ! ;D
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Yes, how did he know ???
I've been listening to some of the Pink Floyd Immersion set previews on YouTube, they are a real treat for fans. Can our imagine the glory of such a package devoted to Knopflers outtakes etc ? There MUST be so much fantastic listening material in the vaults.
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Dude, look forthe multitrack bbc radio thing about echoes and shine on and stuff on YouTube, it is friggin awesome!
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Dude, look forthe multitrack bbc radio thing about echoes and shine on and stuff on YouTube, it is friggin awesome!
Yes it's unbelievable !
Thanks Pottel for the links you posted on Guy's forum
I've listened to it and woooooow ! Tons of infos I wasn't aware of (e.g. backward sounds on Shine on, or David's lead vocals on same song, it's strange because it's always reported that Roger sings the lead on this one, but here you can clearly hear that's David)
I mailed to Bjorn (Webmaster of gilmourish) and even him didn't know all infos given in this radio show !
The only thing connected to MK in the same way that came to mind is the mixer for the STP song that was availbale on MKnews some years ago. You could hear separate tracks : guitar / keyboard-guitar / voice etc....
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the whole radio show gave me the shivers.
brilliant radio making indeed.
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So much brilliant music to discover and so little time!
Can you believe it, so far I do only know Pink Floyd Echoes and Mr. Gilmour's "On An Island". What's the best way/album to dig deeper into Pink Floyd?
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Dark Side, Wish you Were Here & The Wall.
All must have, masterpieces.
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Okay, thanks for the tip. I'm gonna have a look at those.
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I would add Animals and Meddle, and then you got the full 70 era :)
ok, Atom heart mother is 70, but musically it is more in the late 60 era
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Ah good - thank you, too.
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May I include the wonderful Piper at the gates of dawn and The division bell?
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May I include the wonderful Piper at the gates of dawn and The division bell?
of course we could include all albums :)
but I guess that Justme wanted to know only where to start ;D
So, Fletch's answer is indeed the best : these albums are the 3 most wellknown, and most emblematic of Floyd's music
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Ah, I see: there are a lot. Thanks guys!
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do obscured by clouds too.
and people, pls let us not forget the brilliant Animals!
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Oh, there's a lot to do. And JJ Cale is also on my list ;)
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J.J. Cale's 10 first albums are immaculate. And the rest are fabulous. So you can chose between them. :lol My personal favourites are Naturally, Troubadour, Grasshopper, and most of all 8. But the rest are equally good. Okie and really are almost low-fi blues, 5 and shades explore new idioms and have some of his best songs, Trave log... You get the picture. It is trial and win!
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I absolutely love JJ Cale, I can really here how he influenced MK, much more so than Dylan. I've never understood why people alwys compare MK and BD they are poles apart in just about everyway they approach music.
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I have Naturally and Okie by JJ. Both very relaxed and cool albums, I'm sure most MK listeners would enjoy.
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J.J. Cale's 10 first albums are immaculate. And the rest are fabulous. So you can chose between them. :lol My personal favourites are Naturally, Troubadour, Grasshopper, and most of all 8. But the rest are equally good. Okie and really are almost low-fi blues, 5 and shades explore new idioms and have some of his best songs, Trave log... You get the picture. It is trial and win!
saw the man live and met him afterwards once, ....wonderful.
the man is the legends' legend.
and so humble and friendly.
one of my absolute favorites is a lesser known song/album "Artificial Paradise" from "10"
it has this sweet little solo, nothing shred-like, but just ...awesome..
one early version, yeeeeaars before it got on the album...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFA0XCyADoQ
solo starts at about 3:36
and here another version...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NM_sk9atPE this one is from an even earlier session i believe.
here the solo starts around 3:26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFWZu0NKA_w last version i could find.
and here a little bitty together with EC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mniPOqSQrjo&feature=related
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Yes, I love "Artificial Paradise"! I have 15 of J Js albums - "Okie", was the first one I bought and it took a few spins to appreciate, but now it's one of my favourites. :)
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and another beauty is mama don't allow (even though i believe he did not write that one)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88tA5zql6CQ
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the man is sheer genius...
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NO, he is not the composer of Mama don't, (even though a promo 7'' I have, gives him this credit) but surely his interpretation is the best! And "Shades" LP which includes it, also has Carry on, Cloudy day and Deep dark dungeon, which are amongst my favourites!
Thank you Superval and Pottel for the videos. I have all his albums and then some! A couple of bootlegs, live and compilations (just for the 2-3 new songs), singles and maxis. On his first 11 years of solo career (before his first record he had issued one with Leon Russell, in the mid 60ies, as "The Leathercoated minds" ) he delivered 8 fantastic records. A feature very few artists have accomplished. The harder to get into are Okie and Really, that are low - fi and in reality a different approach than the rest, while the others are almost immaculate! (2-3 weaker songs, in every album, but by no means bad, just weaker).
And yes, I can find resemblance with MK, (Banjo, I quite agree with you about BD) in some albums, like Grasshopper, but still it is a different compositional approach all together. MK's guitar skills, especially during the DS days, were the main attraction, while JJ always went for the song. And his style is fantastic, and when he delivers solos they are treats for the ears!
And maybe he is the first rock artist to be using (even from 1972!) a drum machine in his recordings!
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J.J Cale is from Oklahoma, isn't he?
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Yes he is. What a strange question to be asking, jbaent! :)
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Didn't Mark once play with JJ Cale at some West Coast club? Was it called "Sweetwater" or is my memory all mixed up?
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Didn't Mark once play with JJ Cale at some West Coast club? Was it called "Sweetwater" or is my memory all mixed up?
Mike Kappus, JJ's manager and Guy both confirmed to me Mark joined JJ onstage on sept. 14th somewhere in South Calidornia (got the exact location somewhere in my mails) and a famous picture (made by Mike Kappus) exists of it.
if only a recording would turn up!!! just recently the night before got uploaded on Dime.....
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The more I think about it, I'm pretty sure that one of the MK community, whom I have met at a number of shows, once told me that Mark joined JJ Cale at a club in the San Francisco area. The reason I remember is that he asked if I could check amongst my contacts if, by any chance, there was a recording of it somewhere. I did check but nothing came of it. Unfortunately, I can't recall how long ago I was asked about this. However, I'm pretty sure that their playing together was way back sometime in the 1980s, possibly during one of the major DS tours of those days. I can't, in all honestly, remember the name of the club where this was said to have taken place but I have a vague feeling that it was something like "Sweetwater".
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Pottel, that solo you mentioned is really awesome! It has also very much early Mark flavour I think. Great! Thanks fo that! I have that album as a CD somewhere, will give it a try again.
LE
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::) twm, I believe that you are on to something, that even the collectors of bootlegs are unaware of. It is not surprising, though. I have heard a similar rumor, that MK met with JJ around 1982-3. (The rumor went on to mention an incognito participation in the JJ album 8, but such rumor is rather far fetched. Of course in the credits you find the name Richard Thompson...but that is another story). Those days, JJ kept a very low profile, and the only way to meet him was if he desired it. So, if you can find your old source I am surely interested! Thank you.
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What I did find was this ....
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Silvertown_Blues/index.php?showtopic=139&st=0&#last
.... though the photo would not come up on my screen.
I do not know whether this really confirms what I recall. The person who mentioned it to me could have seen, or heard of, something similar but had no definite information.
Doubtless, you will know when DS played the San Francisco area in 1985, so I guess it would be around about then. Maybe, if someone here lives close to San Francisco, a search in the local newspaper files would yield some useful information.
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Ahem, did no one read my post? It is all there folks. Mark joined je onstage on the 14th of sept. in south california, I forgot which city, but got it somewhere (1985 by the way)
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Ok ,so San Fran it was. Still. Got it black on white from jj's manager, he made that particular pic.
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Sorry, Pottel, I simply didn't put 2 and 2 together. You didn't mention the year nor the name of the club and I guess they were uppermost in my mind. I assume that DS played SF around 14 September 1985 but I wouldn't have known that without looking it up somewhere. Where, I'm not sure.
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this is where the Straits (the real ones) were playing back then:
12.09.85 Greek Theatre Los Angeles
13.09.85 Concord Pavilion San Francisco
14.09.85 Concord Pavilion San Francisco
15.09.85 Cal expo Sacramento
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That all fits together neatly then. Good stuff. I guess you folks need only to track down a recording of some kind now.
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been looking for that since the day i heard about it.
imagine my hopes jumping when i saw that JJ Cale upload for sept. 13th of that year on dime....asked for the evening after in that upload but got no reply to date...
the manager man said no recording was made by them (is like the guy from decca not taking on the beatles coz he was convinced they had no future...)
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I think the "guy from Decca" gets a bit of a raw deal from fans and journalists alike. I suspect most of those people would not have seen the potential in The Beatles at that time. I think schadenfreude sums it up.
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I think the "guy from Decca" gets a bit of a raw deal from fans and journalists alike. I suspect most of those people would not have seen the potential in The Beatles at that time. I think schadenfreude sums it up.
I think a lot of the fans were pretty surprised too! My friends and myself were at the Cavern most lunchtimes and on Saturday evenings and although we thought they were a great little band, nobody was more surprised than us when Love Me Do went into the charts! I remember us all dancing around the office that day! :)
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About the Beatles yes, indeed, I see your point. On the other hand, Gerry and the "pacemakers", instead? Hmmmm... Something rotten in the kingdom of Discmark. And many other examples.
But I guess you can't give chances to everybody just because they have potential. And maybe the Beatles became the Beatles, because of the hard work, that the countless rejections forced them into.
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I think it's the same with many famous bands
last week I was watching a french docu about Pink Floyd, and Nick mason said in an itw something like :
"when the group decided to separate from Barrett, our manager decided to bet on him, and not on us. So he chose to manage Syd's career, hoping he would become a famous rock star, while we would fall quickly as an obscure psych rock band without future. Of course history has shown that he was wrong, but at that time, everybody "outside the band" would have thought like him, it was objectively the "wisest" option"
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JF that proves that Roger Waters owes everything to Syd and manager, for not supporting him! ;D All the hard work he had do do with the rest to prove him wrong! ;D
But I think it falls under the category LUCK. It is there every time. We just know the success stories. There are too many short stories about failure. The most dramatic one, (which in fact is a bit longer than most) ending with two suicides, being the Badfinger story, related to the Beatles...