A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: dustyvalentino on February 25, 2009, 11:09:39 AM
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OK, seeing as we were never allowed to discuss the reasons for Chad Cromwell's sudden departure from the 2005 tour under the Gruppen F
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Dunno and don't care, personally. It's between him and the band.
And I prefer Danny's style anyway ;)
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It was a little strange ??? I thought Chad was good.
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At the time, it was said that Chad had left during the 10 day pause between the March, Southern Hemisphere part of the tour (13 concerts), and the start of the European leg of the tour, "for personal reasons". He was supposed to have returned early in May, but by then Danny had established himself as a competent replacement drummer. It may well have just been a case of Danny making full use of his opportunity to impress MK with his playing. Like when a young footballer gets a chance to play because of an injury to someone else and plays so well that the coach keeps him in the team after the injured player becomes available again. One thing we can be sure of is that Mark holds them both in very high regard, and it wouldn
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For me it's a little bit double, I love Chad's style but I also love Danny's style. He is more spontanious in my opinion. And I think his way of playing is more what MK likes. In 2005 the reason for his replacement was personal. I remember we really were worried at that time that someone very near to him was ill or something like that. It was brought like he left the band for just a short time but he went and never came back. We all know MK is not the easiest one to work with. So after all these years I think there was some disagreement or something like that. We will never know for sure. But the more I hear and see Danny the more I like him. And now I hope he will never be replaced.
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A very strange situation, you would think that if there was some sort of problem he would have left before the start of the tour. Leaving mid-tour really left MK and the band in a very difficult situation, rehearsing for weeks with Chad then only having a couple of days to prepare Danny. Danny really did very well to come in under those circumstances and hasn't looked back.
There were also rumours at the time that CC left because he had the offer to work with Neil Young.
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There were also rumours at the time that CC left because he had the offer to work with Neil Young.
I also heard the same rumours. But are they really rumours or we can find some evidence to support them?
Wishes
Allen
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as far as i remember he went on tour with neil or started recording or something shortly after.
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I also heard the same rumours. But are they really rumours or we can find some evidence to support them?
Wishes
Allen
That's why I started this thread, to see if anyone knew for sure. :)
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I heard from someone who chatted with a "very related person" to Mark itself (and I can
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Interesting story, jbaent. Could be an explanation... No idea if it could be true or if it is wrong though. What hurts me is the Chad used to do big tours with MK and other artists, so what could have been his problem this time?
Anyway, in terms of music, and as far as I am concerned, I prefer Danny's style so much than Chad's that I won't never regret him to have left the band. I think that DC really brings something new to Mark's music.
I've always wondered too why Chad left the band though. Leaving in the middle of such a big tour, well, it may have been something really serious for MK, the band and the management. But Danny was here and he made such a wonderful job... Thanks Danny !
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Did Chad ever talk about his days with Mark?
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Is there any news on this topic? Why Chad left during the Shangri-La tour?
Best regards,
Thomas
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Personal reasons, he had to attend family issues.
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Personal reasons, he had to attend family issues.
This was what was told then, but I was surprised to learn briefly after that he would be on road again with Neil Young.
The rest is only speculation.
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He was supposed to come back with MK, but MK decided to stick to Danny on drums, so when his problems were solved or less important, he found that he had free time to work with other artists and, yes, he did a record a tour with Neil Young.
My guess is that there is something else, as MK and also none of the rest of musicians talked again about Chad and what happened. Jim left the band for ear problems, and we saw him in some diary entries going to MK shows as a guest, and he came back to the band, but Chad Cromwell... apparently their paths didnt cross again.
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I don't believe he or his family had illness problems. I think Chad was fired in the middle of the tour. I don't know why, but that's what I think
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I don't believe he or his family had illness problems. I think Chad was fired in the middle of the tour. I don't know why, but that's what I think
I don't think so, otherwise there would have been no Moscow return announcement first.
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He's a well respected professional musician. Not very nice to speculate that he was fired without any evidence IMO. :)
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I don't believe he or his family had illness problems. I think Chad was fired in the middle of the tour. I don't know why, but that's what I think
I don't think so, otherwise there would have been no Moscow return announcement first.
Technically he was fired when MK decided to continue with Danny and Chad was told not to come back.
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Or chose not to come back. There is that too.
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I don't believe the family illness thing.
It had to do something with the Neil Young record/tour I think.
Mark was angry with something and then decided that Chad had not to come back and stayed with Danny.
So yes. Maybe he got fired...
Otherwise Chad would have been in the Band longer for sure.
MK was after some time also not happy with Danny's drumming also.
So now Ian is in. I am very happy about that. He is absolutely great. I am sorry. but way better than Danny or Terry e.g.
Very good technician
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I don't know whether he was fired or he left on his own but I would like to share some thoughts on him. Although I have nothing against mr. Cromwell I am glad he left the band (or was fired). From some of the concerts I have seen on youtube his drumming was really irritating for me (mostly on Golden Heart tour). For example on the famous A Night in London concert the drumming was horrible in my opinion, especially when they played Going Home. This is just my opinion, I don't mean to trash Chad Cromwell but I am really glad he is gone. Ian Thomas is ok but I prefer Danny Cummings (more former DS member the better eh? :lol).
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For what it's worth, I saw Chad play with Neil Young in 2008 and he played brilliantly. Probably one of the best shows I ever saw, with a particularly lengthy version of Cortez the Killer.
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Chad is the drummer in the Peter Frampton Live in Detroit dvd and, the dvd is great, and Chad is spectacular!
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Chad is up there with the best drummers MK has worked with. Other than session musos I would say the order is:
PW
CC
IT
TW
DC
CW
But in their defence, the last threr were all very good live drummers.
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I have no complaint toward Chad and would have enjoyed him more if he had returned.
But we were lucky to get Danny. I like both of them and it would would had been great to experience these two during the same tour. Some lucky did.
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Actually I find more misterious why Danny left the MK band, or was asked to leave...
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Because Mark found Ianto.
EC does this regularly, his band evolves and nobody speculate about why X is replaced by Y and the next tour Y by Z before that X is called back in...
I guess Mark used Danny as long as he did not find what he was looking for. Until Ianto.
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Because Mark found Ianto.
EC does this regularly, his band evolves and nobody speculate about why X is replaced by Y and the next tour Y by Z before that X is called back in...
I guess Mark used Danny as long as he did not find what he was looking for. Until Ianto.
In some answers by Guy in his forum, I kinda understood that was Danny himself who recommended Ianto to MK, so there were conversations between tham about a replacement...
That makes me think that maybe Danny didn´t want to stay as a drummer or maybe MK told Danny that he wanted to try something different, or Danny mentioned Ianto to MK in some conversations and Mk started to think about calling him and replace Danny... who knows.
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Don't worry about Danny, he is doing ok, he has been recording with David Gilmour, and is on David's new album.
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Don't worry about Danny, he is doing ok, he has been recording with David Gilmour, and is on David's new album.
Wow thanks for the info I did not know that !
Good for Danny ! Going from Mark to David may not be an upgrade, but it is certainly not a downgrade ! :)
Although it seems that he is back to percussions, as in the OES tour, whereas he always wanted to play drums, if I believe Mark's introductions when Danny was on board...
I fear a bit for this new solo Album, I love David (I am paying a bomb to see him in Orange next month) but I don't think that highly of his songwriting skills as a solo artist, I was not so impressed with On an Island and the endless river despite the always wonderful guitar, and I am quite pissed of that he found it suitable to use this stupid French SNCF jingle to make a song of it ! We'll see ...
Exceptions to what I just said, On the turning away, Marooned and High hopes (which can be considered as David solo) are beautiful... I just hate this 80s pop-like AMLOR (but so is Radio KEOS). If only Dave and Roger had worked together to merge TDB and ATD, this would have been THE killer PF album...
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Don't worry about Danny, he is doing ok, he has been recording with David Gilmour, and is on David's new album.
I don´t worry about Danny in proffesional terms, he was and still is one of the most demanded percussionist in the world, his name is in many many many of the cd´s I have, including Spanish bands, he is a regular with people like George Michael. I´m very happy to know he's in new Gilmour cd!
My concern, if you can call it concern (which is more curiosity than concern) is about how it affected or was affected related to his friendship with MK. Danny is not only a top musician but also a top person, very kind, humble, and I´d love to think he and MK are ok, or/and him leaving the band didn´t affected him personally.
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Don't worry about Danny, he is doing ok, he has been recording with David Gilmour, and is on David's new album.
I don´t worry about Danny in proffesional terms, he was and still is one of the most demanded percussionist in the world, his name is in many many many of the cd´s I have, including Spanish bands, he is a regular with people like George Michael. I´m very happy to know he's in new Gilmour cd!
My concern, if you can call it concern (which is more curiosity than concern) is about how it affected or was affected related to his friendship with MK. Danny is not only a top musician but also a top person, very kind, humble, and I´d love to think he and MK are ok, or/and him leaving the band didn´t affected him personally.
Agree on all counts wholeheartedly
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Hi all,
If you wonder about Danny, he also worked with a British band called Dworniak Bone and Lapsa, who are also friends of his.
They recorded a CD in 2014 which is called "Fingers pointing at the moon". I bought it back then and I find it absolutely brilliant if you ask me.
They are currently recording their second album, available maybe later this year. Looking forward to listening to it.
More info : http://dworniakbonelapsa.com
"Fingers pointing at the moon" is available on their website or on iTunes. You can buy it if you feel like it, it's really worth it : great melodies, guitars… and drums, very "Danny style" :thumbsup
I still miss Danny tremendously, both as a musician and as a person.
Cheers all!
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I think Mark just likes to change often, solos, guitars, musicians.
but not set list. :think
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I always thought that although Danny was a fantastic percussionist, there was nothing special about him as a kit player. He did the job admirably, but just didn't seem worthy to play with an artist of Mark's stature. Ian Thomas, to me, seems like a significant upgrade in the drumming department. I wonder if MK felt the same?
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Ian is great, but a bit too domineering personality IMO.
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Maybe Chad complained about the set list.
More seriously
My 2 cents:
I think MK has never really found THE drummer, the ideal one, he sticks with the same band since 1995 but he has used 3 drummers already. And it was the same with dire straits. I wouldn't be surprised if Ianto was replaced at some point.
Interestingly when Jim Cox recovered from whatever it was that he had, MK immediatly took him back. If Chad did have a family problem, MK would probably have taken him back. As he didn't, we can assume it was either because Chad was not the best drummer for MK or simply because it was not a private problem to begin with but something to have with his behaviour in the band.
It's no mystery that Jim is the best piano player for MK. Who knows who's the best drummer for MK. I think he knows exactly what he wants in many areas except in the drum department.
It is also something I got to discover in my being in several (amateur) bands in the last 15 years (sorry for the drummers out there) but drummers are a special breed. They are usually very good musicians with a great understanding of music but they are also often hard to work with. It's like they have a secret lore and a will of their own when it comes to playing in a band.
Mk, who likes to rule all areas where music is concerned, needs a good drummer but also a good soldier, a man who will do as he's told.
So maybe yeah, Chad was fed up with Done with Bonaparte and So far away at the time! I'm only kidding!
I still do think Chad is better than Danny and Ianto.
This is only what I imagine, I'm probably wrong.
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I always thought that although Danny was a fantastic percussionist, there was nothing special about him as a kit player. He did the job admirably, but just didn't seem worthy to play with an artist of Mark's stature. Ian Thomas, to me, seems like a significant upgrade in the drumming department. I wonder if MK felt the same?
ianto has some serious background. amongst other things he did drum with Gilmour on the strat 50th anniversary
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Maybe Chad complained about the set list.
More seriously
My 2 cents:
I think MK has never really found THE drummer, the ideal one, he sticks with the same band since 1995 but he has used 3 drummers already. And it was the same with dire straits. I wouldn't be surprised if Ianto was replaced at some point.
Interestingly when Jim Cox recovered from whatever it was that he had, MK immediatly took him back. If Chad did have a family problem, MK would probably have taken him back. As he didn't, we can assume it was either because Chad was not the best drummer for MK or simply because it was not a private problem to begin with but something to have with his behaviour in the band.
Good point.
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I always thought that although Danny was a fantastic percussionist, there was nothing special about him as a kit player. He did the job admirably, but just didn't seem worthy to play with an artist of Mark's stature. Ian Thomas, to me, seems like a significant upgrade in the drumming department. I wonder if MK felt the same?
ianto has some serious background. amongst other things he did drum with Gilmour on the strat 50th anniversary
He also played with Mike Oldfield, you can see him on the Tubular Bells 2 concert DVD from Edinburgh.
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I always thought that although Danny was a fantastic percussionist, there was nothing special about him as a kit player. He did the job admirably, but just didn't seem worthy to play with an artist of Mark's stature. Ian Thomas, to me, seems like a significant upgrade in the drumming department. I wonder if MK felt the same?
ianto has some serious background. amongst other things he did drum with Gilmour on the strat 50th anniversary
He also played with Mike Oldfield, you can see him on the Tubular Bells 2 concert DVD from Edinburgh.
And in the Eric Clapton & Steve Winwood live dvd...
And in the Music For Montserrat concert, playing along with Phil Collins...
And in the whole Strat Pack concert...