A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2012 Mark Knopfler & Bob Dylan Tour => Topic started by: jbaent on October 24, 2012, 09:17:51 AM
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C#14 San Diego, CA - Valley View Center, USA
(http://www.pinkfloydz.com/roger2012/may13sandiego/images/SanDiegoSportsArena.jpg)
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=770 (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=770)
http://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72711 (http://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72711)
AMIT attendees:
Setlist
Different from previous show in RED
Mark Knopfler
1.What It Is
2.Corned Beef City
3. Privateering
4. Kingdom of gold
5. I Use to Could
6. Song for Sonny Liston
7. Done with Bonaparte
8. Hill farmer Blues
9. Haul away
10. Marbletown
(Encore)
11. So Far Away
Bob Dylan
1. You Ain't Goin' Nowhere
2. It Ain't Me, Babe
3. Things Have Changed
4. Tangled Up In Blue
5. Cry A While
6. Joey
7. Summer Days (with Mark Knopfler on guitar)
8. Visions Of Johanna
9. Highway 61 Revisited
10. Forgetful Heart
11. Thunder On The Mountain
12. Ballad Of A Thin Man
13. Like A Rolling Stone
14. All Along The Watchtower
(encore)
15. Blowin' In The Wind
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there will be amit attendees, who will pass us the setlist.
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Nice venue. ;D Is this where DS played on 05.02.92? Tour diary just says Sports Arena. :think
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:wave Mark & Bob play "07 Summer Days" together for the 1st time on the tour!
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I think I'm right in saying this is the first time they've ever played "Summer Days" together- I'm pretty sure they didn't play it all on last year's tour. And it's a bit strange that Mark only played on one song in the middle of Dylan's set rather than being on from the start.
Maybe the start of something that will make Dylan's sets a bit more interesting- and I speak as a Dylan fan..
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Are they repeating the 2011 European Tour Modus Operandi?
They played one song in the middle of the set in Bournemouth, and if I
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Whohooooooooooo! I knew it was going to happen again! And Summer Days is actually a song on which some MK guitar might work very well. So great. :clap
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setlist:
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Whohooooooooooo! I knew it was going to happen again! And Summer Days is actually a song on which some MK guitar might work very well. So great. :clap
Yup, Summer Days is an OK song but probably way better with MK on guitar!
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Whohooooooooooo! I knew it was going to happen again! And Summer Days is actually a song on which some MK guitar might work very well. So great. :clap
Yup, Summer Days is an OK song but probably way better with MK on guitar!
Well, the original version (on "Love and Theft") couldn't possibly be better, and I've also heard live versions in the past that were just great. But whereas last year, with other songs, Mark's guitar sounded somewhat "pasted" onto the song and didn't really fit, I'm quite sure that this one worked great. What we need now would be a video ...
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Big deal.
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Cool, Summer Days is an awesome song. Swing it, Mark!
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I wouldn't hold your breath; last years contributions were rubbish. Let's wait and see.
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I wouldn't hold your breath; last years contributions were rubbish. Let's wait and see.
Thats because of the improvisation... After so many gigs together last autumm, they coud had rehearsed a bit together before the tour started, but Krsuty doesnt like to do thing like the way is meant to be, because as he is ruining his own songs anyway, he doesnt care that MK plays with him with no or very little rehearse and if that sounds good or bad... Who cares?
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Coincidence or not?
The picture of Guy's diary San Diego entry is this one:
(http://www.guyfletcher.co.uk/cache/pages/default-200.jpg)
Note that Guy put this image BEFORE the San Diego gig.
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Coincidence or not?
The picture of Guy's diary San Diego entry is this one:
(http://www.guyfletcher.co.uk/cache/pages/default-200.jpg)
Note that Guy put this image BEFORE the San Diego gig.
I don' think so. Guy do alwasy that : he prepares the page and put the tour poster before the show, and when he wrote his diary page, he uplaod his pics
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I wouldn't hold your breath; last years contributions were rubbish. Let's wait and see.
Several were great.
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Don't know if this has been posted before:
http://www.nctimes.com/entertainment/music/bob-dylan-mark-knopfler-s-san-diego-first/article_f4b0549c-32e9-5acc-928e-cb9eca59d447.html
If it has, I apologise.
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Guy takes this picture as a "place holder" since beginning of the tour - as long as the entry is "awaiting content" - so it is nothing unusual..
LE
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Don't know if this has been posted before:
http://www.nctimes.com/entertainment/music/bob-dylan-mark-knopfler-s-san-diego-first/article_f4b0549c-32e9-5acc-928e-cb9eca59d447.html
If it has, I apologise.
The reader's comment down below cracked me up... He blames the sound engineer for Dylan's indecipherable vocals LOL
Good to know they played together at last but I still think (not that I have stated it here) this tour makes no sense at all.
Bob is Bob, everyone knows that, but no matter how much Mark looks up to him nobody will ever convince me that it is a good deal for any of the two.
From Bob's perspective he invited a 'super-guest' who outshines him every evening whereas Mark has to deal with the tight set-list - and schedule in general - and... Bob!
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I wouldn't hold your breath; last years contributions were rubbish. Let's wait and see.
Several were great.
Perhaps I am looking at this from a solely MK fan viewpoint in that I have no real interest in Krusty's music other than Marks playing on it. Some of his songs I quite enjoy from what I've heard, but I've only listened to them because Mark's playing on them. From this point of view, I've been very disappointed with the involvement.
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Perhaps I am looking at this from a solely MK fan viewpoint in that I have no real interest in Krusty's music other than Marks playing on it. Some of his songs I quite enjoy from what I've heard, but I've only listened to them because Mark's playing on them. From this point of view, I've been very disappointed with the involvement.
You should listen to his records! The best of them are as good as Mark's best. "Love and Theft" for instance, the one "Summer Days" is from, is one of the all-time greatest albums I know. Unbelievably good.
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Don't know if this has been posted before:
http://www.nctimes.com/entertainment/music/bob-dylan-mark-knopfler-s-san-diego-first/article_f4b0549c-32e9-5acc-928e-cb9eca59d447.html
If it has, I apologise.
The reader's comment down below cracked me up... He blames the sound engineer for Dylan's indecipherable vocals LOL
Good to know they played together at last but I still think (not that I have stated it here) this tour makes no sense at all.
Bob is Bob, everyone knows that, but no matter how much Mark looks up to him nobody will ever convince me that it is a good deal for any of the two.
From Bob's perspective he invited a 'super-guest' who outshines him every evening whereas Mark has to deal with the tight set-list - and schedule in general - and... Bob!
For people like me it DOES make sense. I'm huge MK fan, and I'm a huge BD fan. That the two of them should tour together after all these years was the greatest news I heard in a decade!
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Don't know if this has been posted before:
http://www.nctimes.com/entertainment/music/bob-dylan-mark-knopfler-s-san-diego-first/article_f4b0549c-32e9-5acc-928e-cb9eca59d447.html
If it has, I apologise.
The reader's comment down below cracked me up... He blames the sound engineer for Dylan's indecipherable vocals LOL
Good to know they played together at last but I still think (not that I have stated it here) this tour makes no sense at all.
Bob is Bob, everyone knows that, but no matter how much Mark looks up to him nobody will ever convince me that it is a good deal for any of the two.
From Bob's perspective he invited a 'super-guest' who outshines him every evening whereas Mark has to deal with the tight set-list - and schedule in general - and... Bob!
For people like me it DOES make sense. I'm huge MK fan, and I'm a huge BD fan. That the two of them should tour together after all these years was the greatest news I heard in a decade!
I respect your opinion but in my opinion it was cool last year but could have ended there. To me it's like getting goose bumps from a great guitar solo and then replaying it. The taste will never be the same, the magic's gone.
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Perhaps I am looking at this from a solely MK fan viewpoint in that I have no real interest in Krusty's music other than Marks playing on it. Some of his songs I quite enjoy from what I've heard, but I've only listened to them because Mark's playing on them. From this point of view, I've been very disappointed with the involvement.
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You should listen to his records! The best of them are as good as Mark's best. "Love and Theft" for instance, the one "Summer Days" is from, is one of the all-time greatest albums I know. Unbelievably good.
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For sure, the whole string of Time Out of Mind (1997), Love and Theft (2001) and Modern Times (2006) are among his best jobs. Summer days is not one of my favs from this time, but Bye and bye is for certain, as it is Tryin' to get to heaven, Make you feel my love and Honest with me.
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darn !! How could Mark play on BD's set in San Diego, but not in SF ????????? ??? :disbelief
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darn !! How could Mark play on BD's set in San Diego, but not in SF ????????? ??? :disbelief
I was in the same boat as you last year as I attended the 2nd show of the tour and never saw them play together. No great loss in hindsight but I suppose just to be there and see them on stage together would be a thrill. Like last years tour it seems ill-conceived and underrehearsed. Must be difficult, nae impossible with Krusty touring non-stop.
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I wouldn't hold your breath; last years contributions were rubbish. Let's wait and see.
i so fully not agree.
still, i am one of the few people not liking summer days, he can do THC or blind willie anytime. find summer days boring. (and i am a heavy bob fan so no bashing here!)
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Don't know if this has been posted before:
http://www.nctimes.com/entertainment/music/bob-dylan-mark-knopfler-s-san-diego-first/article_f4b0549c-32e9-5acc-928e-cb9eca59d447.html
If it has, I apologise.
The reader's comment down below cracked me up... He blames the sound engineer for Dylan's indecipherable vocals LOL
Good to know they played together at last but I still think (not that I have stated it here) this tour makes no sense at all.
Bob is Bob, everyone knows that, but no matter how much Mark looks up to him nobody will ever convince me that it is a good deal for any of the two.
From Bob's perspective he invited a 'super-guest' who outshines him every evening whereas Mark has to deal with the tight set-list - and schedule in general - and... Bob!
For people like me it DOES make sense. I'm huge MK fan, and I'm a huge BD fan. That the two of them should tour together after all these years was the greatest news I heard in a decade!
same here, for me this is heaven. did i mention,that one night in oberhausen :-) blind willie and all...
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Don't know if this has been posted before:
http://www.nctimes.com/entertainment/music/bob-dylan-mark-knopfler-s-san-diego-first/article_f4b0549c-32e9-5acc-928e-cb9eca59d447.html
If it has, I apologise.
thnx for the article twm, and no it hadn't
Bob Dylan and Mark Knopfler are now 14 shows into their joint autumn tour, but it wasn't until their Wednesday night San Diego concert at Valley View Casino Center that the two actually performed a song together.
Their much-anticipated collaboration came midway through Dylan's 92-minute set, when Knopfler -- who opened the night by delivering a remarkably tasteful set with his seven-man band -- joined Dylan on stage. With Dylan's five-man band providing the backing, Knopfler added guitar to the boogie woogie-fueled "Summer Days," a choice cut from Dylan's 2001 album, "Love and Theft."
Dylan sang "Summer Days" from behind a grand piano. Knopfler was notably deferential, adding a few Les Paul-inspired guitar filigrees, but clearly holding back, lest he detract from the star of the show. As a result, the song simmered nicely, without ever hitting a full boil. Perhaps the "Summer Days" collaboration was a test run for Dylan and Knopfler's Friday night concert at the Hollywood Bowl.
As he often does, Dylan transformed some of his best-known songs -- including "Things Have Changed," "Tangled Up in Blue," "It Ain't Me, Babe" and the encore of "Blowin' in the Wind" -- so dramatically that they almost sounded brand new. Other parts of the concert were uneven, but never predictable. At 71, this sly old road dog still clearly has some engaging new tricks up his dapper, if well-weathered, sleeves.
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The reader's comment down below cracked me up... He blames the sound engineer for Dylan's indecipherable vocals LOL
Yeah, he must have had bad sound engineer in Vancouver and Seattle too.
At first that's what I thought too, but it was strangely only coming from Dylan's mic....
They need to fire the guy responsible for setting up that mic.... :)
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I don't listen much to tour recordings these days, especially those from shows I haven't attended. There has to be something quite unusual about a show for me, so I haven't heard "Summer Days" but the "boogie wooggie" description makes it seem similar to previous outings of the song - in which case, Mark should definitely not hold back in any way. It is an opportunity for some of his fast finger work and, IMO, Bob will respond to this, maybe squeezing a bit more out of a harmonica solo or some such. Dylan likes the spontaneity of the moment and Mark could seize that moment. I suspect, given his penchant for extensive rehearsal, he's just being careful and easing himself back in.
And, sweet surrender, don't blame Mark for not appearing with Bob at the shows you attended. I don't doubt that it's been Bob's decision. I can't imagine that Mark, if he had been asked before, would suddenly pop up in San Diego and say, "I'd like to play on Summer Days tonight, Bob. OK?". My own reading is that the two bands have been leapfrogging one another around the cities and venues for a few weeks but are now settled in Santa Monica for a few days, close to Dylan's home (well, one of them and a place where has a home studio) and in a town with lots of musical facilities (his latest album, TEMPEST, was recorded there) and a lot of music luminaries and friends around. An ideal place for a bit of minor grandstanding. We shall see.
Oh, and I don't buy that "it's the sound engineer's fault" nonsense.
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The fuller review by the same guy, as promised by him:
http://www.nctimes.com/entertainment/music/bob-dylan-s-san-diego-concert-an-elastic-affair/article_43b0e0bf-71e0-5570-8425-9f665eef75a8.html
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I hope that any video would be uploaded to youtube in any moment, I
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So, 14 shows into the tour and Dylan, singing 15 songs a night, has performed 43 different songs so far, only 8 of which have been done at every show. Mark?
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So, 14 shows into the tour and Dylan, singing 15 songs a night, has performed 43 different songs so far, only 8 of which have been done at every show. Mark?
For MK - 14 shows, 11 songs a night and performing 18 different songs, 7 of which played at every show and 8 of which are from the new album, which mean much more to me than all of the songs BD has performed. However, quality is more important to me than quantity! ;)
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Never knew it was a competition! We all know how they go about their respective shows by now and Krusty has been touring now for quite a while so one would think has had time to rehearse and/or play other tunes on the road.
On the other hand, as Val pointed out the new songs have been heavily singled out by Mark (too much so IMO) and Marks set is smaller too. A comparison isn't really appropriate, I don't think. :)
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I hope that any video would be uploaded to youtube in any moment, I
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Maybe MK playing together with Bob was the result of a bet!
BOB:I bet you they won't notice it on AMIT that we don't play together. If they do and the posts are over 60 you will play a song with me. If they keep writing about it afterwards you will perform one song for every 30 new posts.
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Maybe MK playing together with Bob was the result of a bet!
BOB:I bet you they won't notice it on AMIT that we don't play together. If they do and the posts are over 60 you will play a song with me. If they keep writing about it afterwards you will perform one song for every 30 new posts.
Well, I'll bet their curiosity has got the better of them at some point - and since this is the biggest and best MK forum on the 'net - so surely some band members look in from time to time. We've had Jack Sonni honour us with contributions...
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Yes, but we must use more key words so that they would find it for sure, when google them. ;D
May I suggest all new title tracks, SOS but written in full and so on.
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My question was never intended as a dig at Mark, merely an enquiry. I saw Bob's stats on an e-mail I got this mornning and wondered. I didn't know and thought it quicker to ask than to trail through the set lists working it out. Just curious, that's all. If I had had a point to make, it would have been to reinforce my previously stated comment that the two of them go about their work in different ways. No more, no less.
That some of you regard my question as a challenge is interesting in itself. Competition? Definitely not - well, maybe for you but not on my part, for sure. I would have thought that pretty obvious from my previous posts about how I regard the two of them. Two performers - I was going to say journeymen but that might be seen as belittling their achievements - who approach their live work differently, which makes their joint tours fascinating for me. I pretty much know what I will get from seeing Mark this year but am less sure about how I'll react to Bob. People who saw Dylan earlier this year (people who have seen him many times and whose judgement I trust) were impressed but it's is less clear-cut on this current outing. We shall see.
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twm, if you refer to my posts as well, (and from what I have read here, most of the replies by our fellow AMITers) we were joking. From my part, I couldn't care less for such things. Maybe my effort to use humour is not very successful. Brits must be the best ones to judge. ;D
But for future reference, when in doubt consider that I am joking. When I don't, it is easy to tell apart.
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My reply was only lighthearted, hence the exclamation mark and smiley. As it happens I am not a fan of Marks current set at all and think he plays too many new songs! However, I did misinterpret your post as I thought you were wanting to compare the two in terms of set list changes. If only we could see facial expressions and tone of voice in a post!
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You really don't want to see my face, believe me. As for tone of voice, it was pretty straight.
Humour - "The hotel minibar is a wonderful invention. It tells you the future. You know what the price of a can of Pepsi will be in 2020" - low-keyed, wry and with a slight edge.
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...competition too many other places...
8) 8) 8)
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You really don't want to see my face, believe me. As for tone of voice, it was pretty straight.
Humour - "The hotel minibar is a wonderful invention. It tells you the future. You know what the price of a can of Pepsi will be in 2020" - low-keyed, wry and with a slight edge.
:clap
;D :lol
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Sorry, twm - I took it that you wanted to make a comparison between the two as well, so I apologise for misinterpreting your post. :)
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Maybe I should use the mini bar once in a while. Trouble is that if I use it once I will not be able to afford a Pepsi in 2020.
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I am not a fan of Marks current set at all and think he plays too many new songs!
Ha, I NEVER thought the day would come on which someone complains about Mark playing too many new songs! For me, that's the best thing that could happen. My dream concert would be one where he plays only songs that aren't even recorded yet. Actually, I'd like to see him write them on stage! :lol
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I am not a fan of Marks current set at all and think he plays too many new songs!
Ha, I NEVER thought the day would come on which someone complains about Mark playing too many new songs! For me, that's the best thing that could happen. My dream concert would be one where he plays only songs that aren't even recorded yet. Actually, I'd like to see him write them on stage! :lol
I'm speechless as well...
My only complain is the selection of songs, well, not the selection, but the songs not selected, but I think that from Golden Heart, MK never played so many songs from a new album live... Or maybe from the STP tour?
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I think when you consider this is only a half concert and he's playing about 6 (?) new ones it is a lot. Imagine a full length concert where he plays 12 new songs! It's just too many I think for the length of time he's on the stage. Don't get me wrong, I like to hear the new ones played live too but I think this is just getting used as a trial run to see which ones work for next year; already we've seen ones like RT dropped.
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I think when you consider this is only a half concert and he's playing about 6 (?) new ones it is a lot. Imagine a full length concert where he plays 12 new songs! It's just too many I think for the length of time he's on the stage. Don't get me wrong, I like to hear the new ones played live too but I think this is just getting used as a trial run to see which ones work for next year; already we've seen ones like RT dropped.
Seems he can't win! He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't! :hmm
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I think Mark earns every respect and kudos for this set list: No (or only one - "bouncer" last song) Dire Straits hit, only solo material and a lot from the new album - this is really remarkable. One thing that I had very high confidence in the last 27 years being a fan (ouch) was his ability to build great and perfectly well working set lists.
Static or not, more changes, less changes - that's a problem of us fannish multiple-show-goers, but I still love to listen to a lot of old recordings (Hamburg 2001, Vaison, Lyon 2005, and so on) just because of the great flow.
READING this new set list could bring me to the conclusion that it could sound somewhat boring with a lot of acoustic songs in the second half. But to be honest: I did not listen to a complete show from 2012 as yet - only some songs that I picked up and listened, not too much ...
Reason is that I don't want to know too much about it because I see this as a possible spoiler for 2013.... But as the reactions of the attendees are all so great (in fact there was not one single bad review so far from anyone who was there) makes me very optimistic and looking forward to 2013!!
LE
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....but I think this is just getting used as a trial run to see which ones work for next year
I don't see anything wrong with that at all! In this way, MK will know which songs work well live and which ones are not so good live. I think it bodes well for great concerts in 2013! :)
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....but I think this is just getting used as a trial run to see which ones work for next year
I don't see anything wrong with that at all! In this way, MK will know which songs work well live and which ones are not so good live. I think it bodes well for great concerts in 2013! :)
I don't think that's very fair for those attending this years shows.
Also I think there is a happy medium as to the number of new versus old songs he can play. He can win! ;D
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If the reviews are anything to go by, the audiences seem to be enjoying the shows. The setlists will be more evenly balanced in a full show.
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....but I think this is just getting used as a trial run to see which ones work for next year
I don't see anything wrong with that at all! In this way, MK will know which songs work well live and which ones are not so good live. I think it bodes well for great concerts in 2013! :)
I think LE is right but in the other hand it makes me thing that It will left room for unexpected songs in the set, as happened with "Coyote" or "Prairie wedding" during last tour, or with "Cannibals", "Hill farmer blues" and "Marbletown" during the KTGC tour, nobody expected that songs to be played , and we were surprised, positive or negative, but surprised.
Nowadays I think there is a pretty much fixed setlist with songs like What it is / Stp / Hill farmer / Romeo / Sultans / Bonaparte / Speedway / Marbletown / So far away / Brothers, and I
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It has always been a question of balance. The only thing we can do is nag and complain amongst friends. We can not change the balance, because MK decides what it is. Now let's see. We have more than 150-200 songs that he can choose from and 25 come from his latest album. The odds of playing even at random a new song are greater than any other. Then the fact that this is his latest album adds extra weight. I don't want to play the 12 guesses, but I believe that the disappointment for playing these songs, comes from the misrepresentation on previous tours, of great songs and at the same time the slight uneasiness (putting it gently, take it any way you want it) for the new material.
And most important, the need to discuss with people that share the same interests the things we love. In this faceless internet world it is the closest to human communication.