3 Chord Trick (Legacy)

[JF]

Musician are not always credited, sometime settlement outside of court and public scope are made. Sting was offered the choice and (wisely) decided to be credited.

I think someone posted here that Sting didn't want to be credited, but his lawyer insisted for that and Sting was embarassed

[Pottel]

Musician are not always credited, sometime settlement outside of court and public scope are made. Sting was offered the choice and (wisely) decided to be credited.

We have example of what used to be considered as only a contribution, sometimes compensated by session fee, are now ruled as legitimate claim for credit and to name a few : Claire Torry, Matthew Fisher, or Bobby Valentino.

yes indeed, Clare Torry for great gig is the best example in rock history. I read somewhere that she will now be credited on further releases. I don't have a "new" Dark side release. Can someone confirm ?

Same story with the "wall kids" . They got the record for their efforts. After initially complaining they had received nothing

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[jbaent]

Looks like some people decide to jump on AC directly in Facebook, and he is answering. See attachment.

[PensaGhost]

Legally he can't say he co-wrote it, but at the same time he is using other words to say he basically did

Ridiculous

[Love Expresso]

I can't find any bad attitude or wrong judgment in what Alan Clark wrote. I think he sums it up pretty accurate to be fair.

LE

[JF]

Same story with the "wall kids" . They got the record for their efforts. After initially complaining they had received nothing

I find it's a complete different story : the kids sung the melody composed by Waters, they didn't "create" anything
Clare Torry sung an improvisation above Rick's piano lines. the vocal melody came entirely from his mind, not from Rick's one. He composed "only" the chord progression an piano lines, not the vocal melody.
Thta's why I find that she desserves credits, not the kids

[JF]

Legally he can't say he co-wrote it, but at the same time he is using other words to say he basically did

Ridiculous

it's exactly the subject of this thread : the legal definition is not always the exact defintion of what is going in the real life. it's a little bit more complex than what is legally correct or no.

[dustyvalentino]

Fair play to Alan, he seems fairly clear there that he doesn't claim to have "written" the song. Good for him.

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[PensaGhost]

Legally he can't say he co-wrote it, but at the same time he is using other words to say he basically did

Ridiculous

it's exactly the subject of this thread : the legal definition is not always the exact defintion of what is going in the real life. it's a little bit more complex than what is legally correct or no.

Yes, but anyone could claim anything

He says he wrote the piano parts on his own? or did MK write them and he only 'adapted' them?
did he cowrite the song or not ? Legally no but technically yes ?

That's a ridiculous discussion

[jbaent]

Ghost, go to facebook and ask him. Then you come back and whisper the answer.

[dmg]

I can't find any bad attitude or wrong judgment in what Alan Clark wrote. I think he sums it up pretty accurate to be fair.

LE

I think he's very vague in what he says.  He could elaborate and say if his parts are based on something Mark had written, if he did it in collaboration with Mark, if he did these parts alone handed it to Mark and he went along with it or maybe Mark adapted Alan's suggestions.

This vagueness has always suggested to me his part in DS isn't quite as relevant as he seems to remember.

[PensaGhost]

I can't find any bad attitude or wrong judgment in what Alan Clark wrote. I think he sums it up pretty accurate to be fair.

LE

I think he's very vague in what he says.  He could elaborate and say if his parts are based on something Mark had written, if he did it in collaboration with Mark, if he did these parts alone handed it to Mark and he went along with it or maybe Mark adapted Alan's suggestions.

This vagueness has always suggested to me his part in DS isn't quite as relevant as he seems to remember.

dmg 100% 

[ds1984]

Same story with the "wall kids" . They got the record for their efforts. After initially complaining they had received nothing

I find it's a complete different story : the kids sung the melody composed by Waters, they didn't "create" anything

The kids on ABITWP2 are Bob's idea because he already did that on Alice Cooper's School's Out that he produced.
Right they only performed pre written music.

Now for the money, the problem lies int he fact that this is the school that was awarded the £1000 fee but not the children themselves.
And as performer they were entitled to get royalties over records sales and airing.

[ds1984]

I can't find any bad attitude or wrong judgment in what Alan Clark wrote. I think he sums it up pretty accurate to be fair.

LE

I think he's very vague in what he says.  He could elaborate and say if his parts are based on something Mark had written, if he did it in collaboration with Mark, if he did these parts alone handed it to Mark and he went along with it or maybe Mark adapted Alan's suggestions.

This vagueness has always suggested to me his part in DS isn't quite as relevant as he seems to remember.

Mark wrote the melody.
Alan Clark is publicly not claiming credits.
Ends of the Alan's bashing case (on that matter).

[herlock]

I had a nice chat with AC on FB today. I asked him if he co-wrote TR, his answer was:

" hi Vincent, I never said I co-wrote Telegraph Road, the reason being because I didn't. Mark wrote that song. What I did do was play a big part in it's evolution, in its arrangement by coming up with the piano parts while it was being written. Some people might argue that was co-writing; I don't."

I then asked him if he felt targeted by TOTT and talked to MK about it. The answer was:

"No, Vincent, I don't feel targeted personally, and no, I haven't talked to him about it."
"