A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: WaterofLove on August 30, 2016, 10:10:51 AM
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In the "rare MK pics"-thread Throttle talks about MK's human qualities and thinks no one is interested, it is discussed if it should be started a new thread about it, so here it is! :)
I would love to read what you think about his qualities as a human being, Throttle, why he is emotionally vulnerable and why he needs moral support from his inner circle, as you wrote in the other thread :) And the psychological traumas (3 neurotic traits) is also a very interesting topic.
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Why not discuss your human qualities first? Would you mind if we did?
LE
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Wooow, so angry! If I was a celebrity I wouldn't mind people speculating, it would only be a compliment that people cared about me enough to discuss me. I think we should allow most kinds of topics here :)
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Feel free to discuss. To me it's pretty useless, because no one here knows him personal. So all is speculation, which doesn't add much in my humble opinion.
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"Psychological trauma's" my god... You don't know him personal do you? And unless you're a psychiatrist.. Well, feel free to discuss:-)
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Mark is a very private person and anything in this topic is pure speculation. I don't even think it's very polite. Sorry, but I don't see the point. :)
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The only thing about this I would dare to comment is that his attitude when he is being interviewed or before fans is not the typical rock star diva, althought I'm sure he might be someone difficult sometimes because of his rock star status, but at least he knows how to behave in public, how he behaves in private when dealing with his record company, tour promoters etc, is something I don't mind...
Traumas whatever? Who cares...
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My point is that even though he's keeping his private life as sealed as possible, you can clearly see many aspects of his personality.
How? Through his music, lyrics, interviews, attitude on things.
As with music, you can "play" less and give more, with little phrases. For instance, you don't have to ask how Mark sees tribute bands. There's a song, "Oh please" and "Poor souls" comments. Knowing this you can say he love tributes! ;D
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Yes MK is a private person, but we can still infer interesting points from what we see.
I think MK is a very human person in the sense that he can be contradictory depending on circumstances, which fascinates me. He has a light side and a bright side. Examples:
-He said in 1980 (BBC arena documentary) in response to the question "To which extent DS is just an extension of you, MK ?":"To no extent. It is all about the band". We all know that this was not the case and that going solo was more honest - in both cases the band is a vehicle to play MK'songs.
- He renounced stardom by ending DS, but can act like a diva with the infamous sausages story, in which he was ready to fire somebody for almost nothing.
-He can sustain very long relationships, but was able to fire his long term friend Ed Bicknel over a disagreement (the infamous Helmet story).
-He could care for his brother even after he left DS (je helped on his first solo album), yet over the years they did not reconcile, and it seems Mark did not care to fix the royalties issues.
-He says he likes it when people record his concerts, but in 2008 we go the infamous "finger of death" attitude.
-He generally shows love and respect for fans but not always (I remember some rude comments on a fan at the very end of the 2013 tour)
-Last but not least, MFN was to mock MTV and was the most successful hit on MTV :)
-etc...
I find this "Darth Vader" trend (has been to the dark side, but there's still good in him) fascinating :)
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Oh now things start to get interesting ;D ... Never heard about the "Helmet Story"?? Could you tell me? If it goes off-topic too far I will also be very happy about pm! ;)
LE
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Hi Herlock, :wave
Would you also please share details on the "rude comments on a fan at the very end of the 2013 tour" -- Was this in Spain? What was said, and what were the circumstances?
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It is said that by end of 2000 MK was not happy at all with the way Ed was planning the STP tour. Ed, who never recovered from the end of DS, thought that the GH tour was just a childish passage, and that then MK would go back to normal. In fact Ed wanted to resurrect DS, and started to plan a mega tour like to OES one. He also push the hits on the album, WII and not Red staggering as planned...
One day Mark lost it, entered the office with his motorbike helmet still on, and simply told Ed: you're fired.
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Hi Herlock, :wave
Would you also please share details on the "rude comments on a fan at the very end of the 2013 tour" -- Was this in Spain? What was said, and what were the circumstances?
Yes it was in Spain. I need to dig out, but it was posted in this very forum !
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Thanks for this story. Cool one. Makes MK bigger in my eyes!
Wasn't it during the last 2013 show with that many technical problems that made MK lose his temper for a second? Have to check the entry of that day. Everything very well documented at the concert thread.
LE
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Thanks for this story. Cool one. Makes MK bigger in my eyes!
Wasn't it during the last 2013 show with that many technical problems that made MK lose his temper for a second? Have to check the entry of that day. Everything very well documented at the concert thread.
LE
if you find it, please share! ;D
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And the sausages story?
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Also, living in Russia I can tell like no one else how money can change people in a very bad way.
There's Range Rovers and Rolls-Royces all over the place, corrupted politicians buying 2000 m² houses decorated like The Sultan's Palace and so on.
I mean I can perfectly understand all the trouble Mark went through his highest points and all I can say about him surviving it — BRAVO! :clap
Also, Mark is the most optimistic guy I ever seen, this is the key to ALL of his success right from his birth. He's an optimist to the bone.
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Thanks for this story. Cool one. Makes MK bigger in my eyes!
Wasn't it during the last 2013 show with that many technical problems that made MK lose his temper for a second? Have to check the entry of that day. Everything very well documented at the concert thread.
LE
if you find it, please share! ;D
Not able to copy the thread somehow with my phone. It was concert # 70 Cap Roig 2013. Also Isaac had an detailed entry. In our thread it is from Page 6 on. Read it yourself! :lol ;D
LE
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And the sausages story?
Please, someone tell this story....i didn't know there was a sausages story....
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Yes MK is a private person, but we can still infer interesting points from what we see.
I think MK is a very human person in the sense that he can be contradictory depending on circumstances, which fascinates me. He has a light side and a bright side. Examples:
-He said in 1980 (BBC arena documentary) in response to the question "To which extent DS is just an extension of you, MK ?":"To no extent. It is all about the band". We all know that this was not the case and that going solo was more honest - in both cases the band is a vehicle to play MK'songs.
- He renounced stardom by ending DS, but can act like a diva with the infamous sausages story, in which he was ready to fire somebody for almost nothing.
-He can sustain very long relationships, but was able to fire his long term friend Ed Bicknel over a disagreement (the infamous Helmet story).
-He could care for his brother even after he left DS (je helped on his first solo album), yet over the years they did not reconcile, and it seems Mark did not care to fix the royalties issues.
-He says he likes it when people record his concerts, but in 2008 we go the infamous "finger of death" attitude.
-He generally shows love and respect for fans but not always (I remember some rude comments on a fan at the very end of the 2013 tour)
-Last but not least, MFN was to mock MTV and was the most successful hit on MTV :)
-etc...
I find this "Darth Vader" trend (has been to the dark side, but there's still good in him) fascinating :)
what about the dentist that was paid with bags of coins because MK thought the price was too high
Seriously? :o
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And the sausages story?
Please, someone tell this story....i didn't know there was a sausages story....
Search for the sausages section in there:
https://olipalmer1.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/interview-with-phil-palmer-180213/
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And the sausages story?
Please, someone tell this story....i didn't know there was a sausages story....
Search for the sausages section in there:
https://olipalmer1.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/interview-with-phil-palmer-180213/
Lol, It was Pete, Who still works for him.
Also there was a joke with the sausages in guy's Page when people asked for setlist
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Yes, was discussed several times on the forum, it happened in 1991
it was public news on newspapers, I guess cause the dentist let the press know
LOL got paid in full by Mark Knopfler himself and still complain, this tells you everything you need to know about this dentist's human qualities indeed.
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I'm not Mark Knopfler's lawyer or something, but I believe all this stories about Mark being rude are hugely, deeply exaggerated.
You can check out this cool video of Penn Jillette from Penn & Teller, where he discuss how being famous and rude can collide:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noBWgwEjaz8
(contains bad words, you've been warned)
So, maybe the dentist was really bad and deserved a bag of coins, maybe Manu Katché deserved talking to him in third person or something. Maybe sausages really was "the final straw" of crew's mistakes, we can't know either. We will never know, especially when everybody tend to surprise you with Mark being rude.
As for Mark's brother, I was in exact situation like him — I stopped talking with my brother for like 10 years, or he stopped it, I really don't know to this point. Then, after all these years, all of the sudden we started to talk again, but it was like "Hi, how are you doing?" since then.
What I like to say, is that this tells you nothing about human qualities of both of us. It's just between us, and to others we're just "normal".
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So, maybe the dentist was really bad and deserved a bag of coins, maybe Manu Katché deserved talking to him in third person or something. Maybe sausages really was "the final straw" of crew's mistakes, we can't know either. We will never know, especially when everybody tend to surprise you with Mark being rude.
As for Mark's brother, I was in exact situation like him — I stopped talking with my brother for like 10 years, or he stopped it, I really don't know to this point. Then, after all these years, all of the sudden we started to talk again, but it was like "Hi, how are you doing?" since then.
What I like to say, is that this tells you nothing about human qualities of both of us. It's just between us, and to others we're just "normal".
Right on, quizzaciously. Sometimes, life is like this.
An impression is made - just like a snapshot - and that is what people remember. Something that happened in just a moment in time.
And then we see this pictures and make inferences, but we will never know.
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Thanks for this story. Cool one. Makes MK bigger in my eyes!
Wasn't it during the last 2013 show with that many technical problems that made MK lose his temper for a second? Have to check the entry of that day. Everything very well documented at the concert thread.
LE
It was in Cap Roig, MK was very agresive with a fan and shouted at him, can´t remember exactly, but that part was deleted from the audio recording of the concert.
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Thanks for this story. Cool one. Makes MK bigger in my eyes!
Wasn't it during the last 2013 show with that many technical problems that made MK lose his temper for a second? Have to check the entry of that day. Everything very well documented at the concert thread.
LE
;D :thumbsup :wave
LE
if you find it, please share! ;D
Not able to copy the thread somehow with my phone. It was concert # 70 Cap Roig 2013. Also Isaac had an detailed entry. In our thread it is from Page 6 on. Read it yourself! :lol ;D
LE
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Oh now things start to get interesting ;D ... Never heard about the "Helmet Story"?? Could you tell me? If it goes off-topic too far I will also be very happy about pm! ;)
LE
I heard another version of the helmet story... in what I heard that happened where both MK and Ed used to live (MK doesn´t leave there anymore) and it was a discussion that was just the last drop... MK wanted to lower his profile at STP already, but Ed kept pussing him to make his solo career solid and succesful like Phil Collins, Sting etc that had a famous solo career at the same level that they had with their bands, and as long as I recall a little part of the conversation went like this:
Ed: If you want to do the things that way, I cannot manage you anymore
MK: Well, then I need another manager
And that happened with MK in his motorbike in front of his house, with his helmet.
I repeat, that´s the story I was told, can´t remember but who, but was a reliable source. Doesn´t mean it´s the true story, means it´s the story I was told about, and the one I believe on.
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And the sausages story?
Well, MK has all my sympathy with this ridiculous sausage story, whereas I hate Phil Palmer even more for talking about it.. People of greater character would have answered the "Spinal Tap" question with more discretion, and not speaking about other people like MK who was not in the room. But anyway. I never liked Phil Palmer. Also the way he complained about rehearsing in the summer, as if he was too posh for doing that...
If I am hungry I have a tendency to go ballistic myself if something goes wrong - ask the people at work.. so maybe MK was drooling about the sausages during the complete concert and was VERY hungry and therefore TOTALLY disappointed. Also "stealing" food from the man who pays them all and makes it all possible is quite rude in my opinion!
And wasn't the dentist asking for a lot of more money only because MK was a famous Musician? Makes MK also not looking bad from my point of view.
;)
LE
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I I believe all this stories about Mark being rude are hugely, deeply exaggerated
I couldn't agree more
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And the sausages story?
Well, MK has all my sympathy with this ridiculous sausage story, whereas I hate Phil Palmer even more for talking about it.. People of greater character would have answered the "Spinal Tap" question with more discretion, and not speaking about other people like MK who was not in the room. But anyway. I never liked Phil Palmer. Also the way he complained about rehearsing in the summer, as if he was too posh for doing that...
If I am hungry I have a tendency to go ballistic myself if something goes wrong - ask the people at work.. so maybe MK was drooling about the sausages during the complete concert and was VERY hungry and therefore TOTALLY disappointed. Also "stealing" food from the man who pays them all and makes it all possible is quite rude in my opinion!
And wasn't the dentist asking for a lot of more money only because MK was a famous Musician? Makes MK also not looking bad from my point of view.
;)
LE
fully agree!
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I think it's impossible to judge negatively or positively these facts (like the dentist one) from the outside without knowing exactly what really happened
Exactly...
To say that MK is or was rude... It depends on so many factors... It looks that when he was in DS he was more rude than now, probably because he was under more stress than he is now, also his marriage, that ended in divorce after the OES tour had its effect on his mood, so it´s difficlut to judge someone without taking in consideration the background...
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I think it's impossible to judge negatively or positively these facts (like the dentist one) from the outside without knowing exactly what really happened
Exactly...
To say that MK is or was rude... It depends on so many factors... It looks that when he was in DS he was more rude than now, probably because he was under more stress than he is now, also his marriage, that ended in divorce after the OES tour had its effect on his mood, so it´s difficlut to judge someone without taking in consideration the background...
Absolutely ! I'm not judging, I am actually quite attracted in this "human" side. Mk is no robot, for sure :)
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I recall the first time I met MK in person, it was in a radio station and before he got into the room someone came and told us not to approach him, no photos and no signing...
When the interview ended MK was more than happy to sign everyone and take pictures... When he signed my STP copy he even asked my name to personalize the signing... I was so surprised...
Some hours after he would do the same going out from his hotel and signing and taking pictures with everyone outside the hotel. This is how my picture with MK happened!!
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I recall the first time I met MK in person, it was in a radio station and before he got into the room someone came and told us not to approach him, no photos and no signing...
When the interview ended MK was more than happy to sign everyone and take pictures... When he signed my STP copy he even asked my name to personalize the signing... I was so surprised...
Some hours after he would do the same going out from his hotel and signing and taking pictures with everyone outside the hotel. This is how my picture with MK happened!!
pls do share...
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Share what?
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Pictures you made and a picture of your signed STP copy of course ;)
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...AND any details you may have left out! :D
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...AND any details you may have left out! :D
exactly, lol..
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My picture with MK is in mknews in the section "when I met Mk". The CD is well saved ;)
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Mmm don't like that answer, we want to see a picture here and of course a pic from the CD as well
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;D
Sorry, a mixture between me being lazy and lack of time :lol
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:hmm ...and I don't like that answer either!
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Yeah! Very poor answer. I certainly wouldn't write a song about it.
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;D ;D ;D
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;D
Sorry, a mixture between me being lazy and lack of time :lol
If you ain’t got whiskey
Don’t tell me that you ain’t got gin...
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http://www.mark-knopfler-news.co.uk/meeting/julio.html
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http://www.mark-knopfler-news.co.uk/meeting/julio.html
Still wouldn't write a song about it. Do it properly and maybe Mark himself will write it! :lol
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:D
Cool!!! Thanks for sharing jbaent!!! :thumbsup
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I cannot provide a source for this, as I heard this from a friend that heard this from another friend, but just to add another anecdote here's the thing:
He said that once, a man saw Mark and his family in a café. This man had a friend which is a huge fan of MK, so he readily informed him by phone.
So the fan quickly reached the café in time and asked Mark something like "Mark Knopfler? Can I bother you for an autograph?"
The reply has been "You're already bothering me." Then he wrote the autograph on a napkin and threw it on the floor.
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I cannot provide a source for this, as I heard this from a friend that heard this from another friend, but just to add another anecdote here's the thing:
He said that once, a man saw Mark and his family in a café. This man had a friend which is a huge fan of MK, so he readily informed him by phone.
So the fan quickly reached the café in time and asked Mark something like "Mark Knopfler? Can I bother you for an autograph?"
The reply has been "You're already bothering me." Then he wrote the autograph on a napkin and threw it on the floor.
Because this is straight up Rüdiger type of attitude and Mark being extremely polite. If I'd saw Mark anywhere I would do NOTHING.
It's like this beggar from Amélie who said "No thanks ma'am I never work Sundays". The man is chillin' in a café, he's not working.
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One cannot walk away from fame without having to deal with it every now and then. Mark chose to be famous in the first place.
That being said, I don't believe he did that, especially in front of his family.
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This forum is becoming more and more pathetic by the day.
No wonder if MK distances himself from his most extreme fans...
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The nicest thing I heard about Mark comes from a friend who actually witnessed the event. He saw Mark leaving an AA meeting with Eric Clapton in 1995. We all know Mark enjoys a good drink but has no alcohol issues which makes it easy to infer he was there for his friend. Mark and Eric are closer than we might think.
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This forum is becoming more and more pathetic by the day.
No wonder if MK distances himself from his most extreme fans...
I'm sorry to disappoint you but apart from the odd post gig encounter Mark distances himself from any and every fan, my friend. He doesn't even know what his fans say or think of him. And just for the record, this topic and most of its replies are from 2016 in case you didn't notice it.
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oh I didnt realize. In light of the heated HOF dicussion this topic just seem way too much :D
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Mark still wants his real fans in first rows in his gigs.
And performing, still exchange looks with his fans, and, sometimes, only sometimes, give a hand to some of them. And likes the running of the bulls.
Out of there, only songs lyrics matters to me to know how he is.
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Mark still wants his real fans in first rows in his gigs.
And performing, still exchange looks with his fans, and, sometimes, only sometimes, give a hand to some of them. And likes the running of the bulls.
Out of there, only songs lyrics matters to me to know how he is.
Mark still likes to perform. He doesn't have to do it for anyone in the universe. If he'd hate it he would've stopped.
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Mark still wants his real fans in first rows in his gigs.
And performing, still exchange looks with his fans, and, sometimes, only sometimes, give a hand to some of them. And likes the running of the bulls.
Out of there, only songs lyrics matters to me to know how he is.
Mark still likes to perform. He doesn't have to do it for anyone in the universe. If he'd hate it he would've stopped.
He tours because Kitty wants him out of home for a while...
LOL
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Mark still wants his real fans in first rows in his gigs.
And performing, still exchange looks with his fans, and, sometimes, only sometimes, give a hand to some of them. And likes the running of the bulls.
Out of there, only songs lyrics matters to me to know how he is.
Mark still likes to perform. He doesn't have to do it for anyone in the universe. If he'd hate it he would've stopped.
He tours because Kitty wants him out of home for a while...
LOL
Or maybe HE wants to be away from his beloved wife from time to time...;D
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Mark still wants his real fans in first rows in his gigs.
And performing, still exchange looks with his fans, and, sometimes, only sometimes, give a hand to some of them. And likes the running of the bulls.
Out of there, only songs lyrics matters to me to know how he is.
Mark still likes to perform. He doesn't have to do it for anyone in the universe. If he'd hate it he would've stopped.
He tours because Kitty wants him out of home for a while...
LOL
Contrary. He would give more concerts but is Kitty ;)
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Mark still wants his real fans in first rows in his gigs.
And performing, still exchange looks with his fans, and, sometimes, only sometimes, give a hand to some of them. And likes the running of the bulls.
Out of there, only songs lyrics matters to me to know how he is.
Mark still likes to perform. He doesn't have to do it for anyone in the universe. If he'd hate it he would've stopped.
He tours because Kitty wants him out of home for a while...
LOL
Contrary. He would give more concerts but is Kitty ;)
What?
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It was a joke :)
Was not your post a joke?
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It was a joke :)
Was not your post a joke?
Yes but I didn't understand what you said, sorry. I still don't.
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My English ...Sorry :( Mark gives less concerts because he prefers to spend time with his family