Setlist changes

[Eddie Fox]

In my opinion no song needs to be dropped, that's not the point. Mark needs to develop an ever-changing setlist so that people go to different shows and have different experiences instead of seeing the same thing evening after evening, tour after tour, like they are stuck in a loop.

Years ago I used to agree with this, now I don't agree, but there is a reason.

I believe that is unfair that people going to different concerts in different places listen to different songs, everybody deserves to listen to the same songs. Many Spanish fans that couldn't travel didn't had the chance to listen "5.15.a.m" or "Back To Tupelo" during the Privateering tour. I was lucky because I travelled exactly to one of the very few concerts in which MK played them, but that was unfair to the rest of people that attented the rest of concerts.

I believe that a tour should have a setlist that gives equal chance to anybody anywhere to listen the same songs, but at the same time, I believe the setlist must change from one tour to the next in a big number of songs, leaving just the hits as the repeated songs.

The tracker tour and the privateering tour were so similar, despite the fact that 5 songs from Tracker were played, even the surprising add of "Your latest trick" or "On every street", the skeleton of the setlist was so similar that it was almost the same.

If you play 20 songs in a concert, for example, change 12 of that songs, and leave 8 hits between DS and MK solo career, change that from tour to tour, and that would be perfect.

But to play different songs from one show to the next, like Springsteen does.. It's not fair. Some years ago I went to see Springsteen to Madrid, and was a great show, but two days after, he played Bilbao and changed almost half of the songs, songs that I liked more than the ones I listened to in Madrid. Luck for Bilbao fans, bad luck for Madrid fans that wanted to listen some of the songs people from Bilbao heard, and maybe the other way around. That's not fair.

I'm 50% with you there. I agree that the show must have a group of songs that should be played every evening throughout the tour. However, in my opinion the other songs can be changed from gig to gig without affecting the experience. I don't wanna go to a concert knowing exactly which songs are going to be performed, that's boring. At the end of the day 20 songs are 20 songs.

[Robson]

In my opinion no song needs to be dropped, that's not the point. Mark needs to develop an ever-changing setlist so that people go to different shows and have different experiences instead of seeing the same thing evening after evening, tour after tour, like they are stuck in a loop.

Years ago I used to agree with this, now I don't agree, but there is a reason.

I believe that is unfair that people going to different concerts in different places listen to different songs, everybody deserves to listen to the same songs. Many Spanish fans that couldn't travel didn't had the chance to listen "5.15.a.m" or "Back To Tupelo" during the Privateering tour. I was lucky because I travelled exactly to one of the very few concerts in which MK played them, but that was unfair to the rest of people that attented the rest of concerts.

I believe that a tour should have a setlist that gives equal chance to anybody anywhere to listen the same songs, but at the same time, I believe the setlist must change from one tour to the next in a big number of songs, leaving just the hits as the repeated songs.

The tracker tour and the privateering tour were so similar, despite the fact that 5 songs from Tracker were played, even the surprising add of "Your latest trick" or "On every street", the skeleton of the setlist was so similar that it was almost the same.

If you play 20 songs in a concert, for example, change 12 of that songs, and leave 8 hits between DS and MK solo career, change that from tour to tour, and that would be perfect.

But to play different songs from one show to the next, like Springsteen does.. It's not fair. Some years ago I went to see Springsteen to Madrid, and was a great show, but two days after, he played Bilbao and changed almost half of the songs, songs that I liked more than the ones I listened to in Madrid. Luck for Bilbao fans, bad luck for Madrid fans that wanted to listen some of the songs people from Bilbao heard, and maybe the other way around. That's not fair.

  I agree, I wrote about it before.

[Eddie Fox]

Wow, you two agreed on something, that's a first! 

[jbaent]

Wow, you two agreed on something, that's a first! 

That's the greatest thing in this forum, in the end we all agree at least in one thing...

For example, Eddie and I we agree we like ginger women 

[Robson]

Wow, you two agreed on something, that's a first! 

Not only I live in the perfect world ; )

[Eddie Fox]

Wow, you two agreed on something, that's a first! 

That's the greatest thing in this forum, in the end we all agree at least in one thing...

For example, Eddie and I we agree we like ginger women 

Oh come on, we agree on most things. And just for the record, I met a lovely ginger last week! 

[Eddie Fox]

Wow, you two agreed on something, that's a first! 

Not only I live in the perfect world ; )

He's just passing through, that world is only yours 

[JF]

In my opinion no song needs to be dropped, that's not the point. Mark needs to develop an ever-changing setlist so that people go to different shows and have different experiences instead of seeing the same thing evening after evening, tour after tour, like they are stuck in a loop.

Years ago I used to agree with this, now I don't agree, but there is a reason.

I believe that is unfair that people going to different concerts in different places listen to different songs, everybody deserves to listen to the same songs. Many Spanish fans that couldn't travel didn't had the chance to listen "5.15.a.m" or "Back To Tupelo" during the Privateering tour. I was lucky because I travelled exactly to one of the very few concerts in which MK played them, but that was unfair to the rest of people that attented the rest of concerts.

I believe that a tour should have a setlist that gives equal chance to anybody anywhere to listen the same songs, but at the same time, I believe the setlist must change from one tour to the next in a big number of songs, leaving just the hits as the repeated songs.

The tracker tour and the privateering tour were so similar, despite the fact that 5 songs from Tracker were played, even the surprising add of "Your latest trick" or "On every street", the skeleton of the setlist was so similar that it was almost the same.

If you play 20 songs in a concert, for example, change 12 of that songs, and leave 8 hits between DS and MK solo career, change that from tour to tour, and that would be perfect.

But to play different songs from one show to the next, like Springsteen does.. It's not fair. Some years ago I went to see Springsteen to Madrid, and was a great show, but two days after, he played Bilbao and changed almost half of the songs, songs that I liked more than the ones I listened to in Madrid. Luck for Bilbao fans, bad luck for Madrid fans that wanted to listen some of the songs people from Bilbao heard, and maybe the other way around. That's not fair.

100% agree.
The LOG tour which is in many fans heart one of o the best in DS/MK history had the most static setlist in his whole career. Only It never rains was dropped after some months, but all the rest of the setlist remained exactly the same until the end of the tour, and I bet that the experience to attend one of these gigs was outstanding.

I don't want different setlists during a tour, because I don't want to miss some songs, (and people who go to different gigs in a tour are a minority) but of course I want different songs than the last tour !

[JF]

I'm 50% with you there. I agree that the show must have a group of songs that should be played every evening throughout the tour. However, in my opinion the other songs can be changed from gig to gig without affecting the experience. I don't wanna go to a concert knowing exactly which songs are going to be performed, that's boring. At the end of the day 20 songs are 20 songs.

you don't have to know the setlist before going to the concert.
of course it's hard nowadays, but if you don't read forums, social networks etc... you can go to the gig without knowing anything
I did that in 2010 : 2 months without read Guy's forum or AMIT before going to the gig, because in 2001 MKnews provided setlists, and it's one of my big regrets in my DS/MK fan life : knowing the songs before the gig starts
2005 was easy because I went to one of early gigs in the tour (so it was  something like one week without reading anything), but 2010 was harder because I went to a gig at the middle/end of the tour

okay, since 2010, you know songs that will be played, even if you live in a cavern 

[jbaent]

During Privateering tour I did a big effort to not know the setlist until the first usb arrived and listen to it for the first time and discover in that listening the songs, and the day before I dont know where I read they were playing "father and son" linked with Hill Farmer Blues

It's really difficult, the only way is go to the first concert, if you can.

[Dutchessy]

During Privateering tour I did a big effort to not know the setlist until the first usb arrived and listen to it for the first time and discover in that listening the songs, and the day before I dont know where I read they were playing "father and son" linked with Hill Farmer Blues

It's really difficult, the only way is go to the first concert, if you can.

Indeed, waiting for the first USB without being spoiled is a hard job nowadays. I succeeded to be unspoiled until the first USB with the Tracker tour.

[Eddie Fox]

Guys, I don't think USBs and concerts are the same thing. If you say you don't want the setlist to change because you can only attend one show and finding out the setlist from another evening was better than the one you got bothers you, I can see your point. I have a different opinion, but I can put myself in your shoes and kind of understand you. However, you can easily get as many recordings as you want these days so do you really want them all to be the same? That I cannot understand...

[jbaent]

Guys, I don't think USBs and concerts are the same thing. If you say you don't want the setlist to change because you can only attend one show and finding out the setlist from another evening was better than the one you got bothers you, I can see your point. I have a different opinion, but I can put myself in your shoes and kind of understand you. However, you can easily get as many recordings as you want these days so do you really want them all to be the same? That I cannot understand...

Fans...

[schmonka]

In the ongoing discussion around setlists, Id heard a petition mentioned.....

Likely to be tongue in cheek, but should someone ACTUALLY put a petition together requesting a setlist revamp, could they also include MK tours to new territories.....ie the Southern Hemisphere?  MK hasn't ventured south since 2005 - its high time he stretched the tour to include South America, Australia and New Zealand. 

[jbaent]

In the ongoing discussion around setlists, Id heard a petition mentioned.....

Likely to be tongue in cheek, but should someone ACTUALLY put a petition together requesting a setlist revamp, could they also include MK tours to new territories.....ie the Southern Hemisphere?  MK hasn't ventured south since 2005 - its high time he stretched the tour to include South America, Australia and New Zealand.

This petition should really be made to local promoters. They are the ones asking the bands to come and play, the bands made their economical request and then the promoters go ahead or refused it.

I recall that some of the 2005 concerts were not sold out and probably the local promoters weren't happy or losed money so that's why they never tried again.

Same goes from South America I guess.

Yes, the band have a say, that say depends on if they can add those dates in their schedule. If they can, then the ball is in the promoters roof.

Guy always says he would like to go back to South America and Australia again, but it's not in his hands.