A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2010 Get Lucky Tour => Topic started by: Rollergirl on June 17, 2010, 11:28:23 AM
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During recent tours, I have stayed away from the internet before "my" show, in order not to know the set list.
In 2005 it was easy as I had a baby to look after, in 2006 very easy because I went to the 2nd show, in 2008, a bit more complicated because there was 4 weeks between the begining and my show.
This year there was 6 or 8 weeks, can't remember. I didn't want to stay away from this forum and Guy's diary and forum for so long so I reluctantly joined the other side of the force.
And I LOVED it. Not knowing the set list is great for the first song, but generally, I have much more enjoyed the show this time because I was not wondering which song would come next. I knew. So instead of thinking about the next song, I was enjoying the one they were playing.
I don't think I will be back on the dark side next time...
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Personally I'm able to enjoy the song without worrying about the next one, each to their own.
It was a great feeling realising that, say, Coyote or Prairie Wedding was being played, much better than reading about it on here.
YMMV. :)
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That's great if you can do it. Don't change anything then! But I've seen the light and don't want to go back to the dark side!
YMMV to you too!
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Let's be honest folks, its not that difficult to predict what's coming next.......... 8)
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Both options have the good part, but it depends on the setlist itself...
I went to the first concert last tour and I was amazed not knowing anything as the setlist was full of surprises, but in the current tour if I do the same it would had been a dissapoinment, as the set list is pretty much the same than the previous tour, only with less songs and no surpirses at all, if you don
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Not really much more surprises last time, Border Reiver, Coyote, Prairie Wedding and Piper were "surprises" for me this time round.
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YMMV. :)
YMMV? I know I'm getting on.....but what is that?
Your mileage may vary.
Won't be an issue for you now you have a bus pass. ;)
Happy birthday old boy. :)
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Please, don't turn this into a discussion how the set lits is predictable blah blah blah. Everybody I have spoken with who are "regular" people, not sad cases like us thought it was PERFECT (ok, I have only spoken to 5 people but, still). It had the right mix of old and new stuff, fast and slower songs and it FLOWED.
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I listened to the show in Eugene a few hours before I left for my gig in Oakland, so I pretty much knew what songs were played. Nevertheless, I didn't feel one bit spoiled. The moment was too magical to contemplate anything could ruin it.
That being said, when "piper" was played in Oakland, I was saddened to tears. Becase I knew that was the closing song of the night. The loud cheers from the fans wouldn't bring MK and the band out for another encore. If I hadn't known that "piper" was the last song, I wouldn't have felt so bummed out that night.
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Please, don't turn this into a discussion how the set lits is predictable blah blah blah. Everybody I have spoken with who are "regular" people, not sad cases like us thought it was PERFECT (ok, I have only spoken to 5 people but, still). It had the right mix of old and new stuff, fast and slower songs and it FLOWED.
The setlist is not predictible at all, it
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Nah,life too short,whats the point in waiting ??? ??? you could get hit by a bus before you get to the gig & you'd never know the setlist ::) ::)
I'll bet you dusty didnt wait till he got to the wedding night :P :P :P :disbelief :disbelief :disbelief
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I'll bet you dusty didnt wait till he got to the wedding night :P :P :P :disbelief :disbelief :disbelief
Sensible to have a test drive before buying, but I know I'll always be happy with whatever MK comes up with. ;)
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Its like when you listen to a record you already listened many times, but you enjoy it in a special way.
I was very touched with the What it is instrumental interlude and with the Romeo intro (that I listened many times now) but the magic did his trick, it was incredible, close to tears...
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Please, don't turn this into a discussion how the set lits is predictable blah blah blah. Everybody I have spoken with who are "regular" people, not sad cases like us thought it was PERFECT (ok, I have only spoken to 5 people but, still). It had the right mix of old and new stuff, fast and slower songs and it FLOWED.
The setlist is not predictible at all, it
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Listening back over and over again to the Simfy RAH recording (that I was at), Hill Farmer Blues and Marbletown are definitely the two highlights. But, like you, I still felt that it was largely 2008 all over again by the time i'd left. Especially with SOS following R and J and WII going into STP again and then SAN into TR then BIA at the end. Again. Yawn.
I can't help wondering if the band don't get bored playing pretty much the same songs in the same order night after night, tour after tour.
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Quite. The dates were really difficult for me this year with other commitments but if I'd really bust my buns I could have just about got to Brighton or Bourtnemouth but I waited to get an idea of the setlist before making my mind up. When I say it was virtually the 08 tour again with a couple of new songs and the same old riunning order as per the last decade I decided not to make the effort, I'm thouroughly enjoying the Simfy recordings and have just a tinge of envy reading all the reviews, but I have to say on balance I'm glad I didn't go to the hassle and expense this time round. Grabs coat and sneaks out the back door..........
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Different opening, different closing, no song from KTGC album , no song from SL album, no WOL alike song.
Of course Mark does not make huge change form one tour to another since 2001 but if you look at the RAH setlist there is a bunch of new things.
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How to please everybody ?
People complain that we get pretty much the same songs, but I'm sure the complaints would be even stronger if we DIDN'T get some of the real gems in this setlist.
Mark HAS to do Sultans - it is always a turning point where people start dancing and a key sucess factor for the concert. The crowd would not accept NOT to hear it.
The same is true of TR and BIA - such iconics songs of the golden era. I personnaly would be very disppointed NOT to have TR. I was 2 meters away from Mark in Paris when he played it, that was a unique experience. Like being part of Alchemy.
People would NOT understand not to have HFB and Marbletown, the 2 hightlights of 2008. They for sure would regret them.
Speedway is a iconic solo song, on par with the very best of DS, and a must-have live song. I promise that if Mark was to drop it, the noise of the complaints would be much higher.
WAM is fantastic live - I wish it would be part of the core set list.
This year additions are very nice and original: BR is a great opener, Piper a great closer, Coyote a fantastic addition from TRD, PW a good revival from STP, CMG, Monteleone and GL are very nice additions too.
The others songs are more disposable: RAJ was overplayed, SFA is not that iconic, WII and STP are great but do not really work live, DWB, DG and ANISLA are nice but not essential. The setlist could be a bit different, but all in all it is a very good one, a good compromise. Retains the best of 2008 (save for Postcards...) while introducing the new album and revisiting TRD.
Why do people complain so much ?
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The band surely do get bored, but at least they are getting paid. Think about poor Isaac.
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The band surely do get bored, but at least they are getting paid. Think about poor Isaac.
Nobody force him to follow Mark and he is actualy paying for that. Still an interesting experience for him to share different cultures and see how the band evolve.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't recall a blog entry in which Isaac is complaining about the setlist the way we do over here. In fact, he always tries to detect and write about new musical aspects in each show, some that probably wouldn't get noticed, and I think that's nice.
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Guys, my post was tongue in cheeck, but on a serious point I don't know how he manages it.
Even if I had the time, money and didn't have family obligations I don't think I would be able to do what Isaac does. I would really enjoy the travelling and meeting lots of people but sitting through what is more or less the same concert every night for nearly four months would bore me to tears, and I consider myself a pretty big MK fan.
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I think that somebody that decide to attend a full tour is psychologicaly ready to face the "same setlist" question otherwise you don't do it.
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I agree. You don't go to an MK seriesd of gigs and expect big variations all the time. I just wonder a) how I aac can afford it all and b) how did he manage to get so many front centere tickets? I think we sbould be gtold!
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I agree. You don't go to an MK seriesd of gigs and expect big variations all the time. I just wonder a) how I aac can afford it all and b) how did he manage to get so many front centere tickets? I think we sbould be gtold!
Oh sure, we all know MK's sets are mostly static and Issac of course knows that from the last tour.
As for the other questions, I guess it's not our business where Isaac gets his money or what he spends it on, but on the second point the tickets are allocated by mk.com and they obviously decided to issue Issac with the best seats in the house every night.
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I think he's Ed Bicknell in disguise :o :o - he's some man for one man 8)
I like to travel myself but 4 months of the same gig every night?????? ::) ::) I think I would lose my love affair with MK's music if that happened (thats a gay thing to say :o :o) - its a bit like chocolate at easter,if you eat too much of it you could be turned off it for a long time or maybe life :o :o
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Bet MK.com thought Isaac had pressed the wrong button when he ordered tickets for every gig 8) I wonder if MK will invite him backstage or make some sort of gesture for this outstanding show of loyalty. I think he should
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Bet MK.com thought Isaac had pressed the wrong button when he ordered tickets for every gig 8) I wonder if MK will invite him backstage or make some sort of gesture for this outstanding show of loyalty. I think he should
I hope he won't, that would encourage all the weirdos out there! (Not saying that Isaac is a weirdo, he seems very nice and well balanced)
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Bet MK.com thought Isaac had pressed the wrong button when he ordered tickets for every gig 8) I wonder if MK will invite him backstage or make some sort of gesture for this outstanding show of loyalty. I think he should
I hope he won't, that would encourage all the weirdos out there! (Not saying that Isaac is a weirdo, he seems very nice and well balanced)
RG I know what you mean but it must be possible for Mk to make a discreet gift - a lytho or something to recopgnise Isaac's extraordinary effort - or even just go shake his hand at the end of the last gig or something without making any sort of fuss that would engourage the nutters as you say. I note that Guy's wife made a point of saying hello to Issac him at the RAH. That was nice.
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RG I know what you mean but it must be possible for Mk to make a discreet gift - a lytho or something to recopgnise Isaac's extraordinary effort - or even just go shake his hand at the end of the last gig or something without making any sort of fuss that would engourage the nutters as you say. I note that Guy's wife made a point of saying hello to Issac him at the RAH. That was nice.
Seem to recall Guy and Danny shook Isaac's hand from the stage at the end of the last tour. I don't think MK would, as I don't think he would necessarily want to encourage people to do what Isaac's doing, not that I think there's anything wrong with it, but I can see MK being slightly uncomfortable at the thought of someone taking four months out of their life to follow him around the world.
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It is a bit of every fan fantasm to be able to follow a full tour, and surely at some point it had been mine, but from my own little experience of following Mark from Brussels to Nimes in 2001 [just only 6 shows in a row in 4 differents places] I can tell that I am pleased that it remains to the fantasm status (but how far I would go for a Dire Straits reunion?).
Isaac is lucky to be able to do it. Because he is doing something different and that most of us are not able to do, introducing him as the "one who attend every 2010 shows" is a bit troubling at first sight. Just think how you would react if instead he was introduced as "here is a travelerman man who is doing a long journey to discover Europe and meet a lot different people and culture". Same thing but different light.
Having met him he is not a sort of freaky groupie that some could imagine but a nice chap to talk with.
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It is a bit of every fan fantasm to be able to follow a full tour, and surely at some point it had been mine, but from my own little experience of following Mark from Brussels to Nimes in 2001 [just only 6 shows in a row in 4 differents places] I can tell that I am pleased that it remains to the fantasm status (but how far I would go for a Dire Straits reunion?).
Isaac is lucky to be able to do it. Because he is doing something different and that most of us are not able to do, introducing him as the "one who attend every 2010 shows" is a bit troubling at first sight. Just think how you would react if instead he was introduced as "here is a travelerman man who is doing a long journey to discover Europe and meet a lot different people and culture". Same thing but different light.
Having met him he is not a sort of freaky groupie that some could imagine but a nice chap to talk with.
Agreed, very nice chap and his blog is a joy to read. He does us a great service as it is great to read about the tour from a fan's perspective. Amazing that he cans still have enthusiasm for Brothers in Arms after 60 shows though!
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I dont think Isaac is looking for any attention from anyone really whether its MK,Guy, us or whoever - I think he just likes travelling & MK's music,so the tour & music thing sort of fits in together for him.When Cod gave him all the t shirts at the last US gig he seemed in a state of shock more than anything that someone would think that much of him. Su're if he wanted to meet MK he could have bought the signature strat that was up for charity auction last year & it would have cost him a hell of a lot less!!!
Its probably something he'll look back on when he's a lot older & say "yeah that was worth it"
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I do agree with you WM. I don't understand why people keep posting about this.
When someone takes a sabbatical and goes to India for a year: people react with cool, interesting, smart.
But if you take a 4 months sabbatical to follow MK's tour someone should be crazy.
If I had the opportunity to take a sabbatical I know which option of the 2 above I would choose :P
And Dusty: you are absolutely right, it's none of our business how someone pays for whatever!
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Hi all, my first post here. Mostly, I only read some threads but this is an interesting topic for me as my profession (studied social worker) is helping people getting back into their own life when they 'got lost' somehow. A person who travels with musicians for extended periods of time (following them) is called a groupie. Usually this is connected to girls but I understand that MK has got a lot more male fans than female fans. There are some 'famous' groupies who wrote books like 'I'm with the band' etc and it seems nowadays they write blogs. ;-) Those people are in big danger to live somebody's life. They are usually nice people but they seek attention and don't have a social life (girlfriend or boyfriend) and can therefore easily leave their own life for a long period of time to follow the celebrity.
Some celebrities had various kinds of contacts (you know what I mean :), some celebrities just think those people are mad and nuts and stay away. As I said...interesting topic! ;-)
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Everybody who reads Isaac's blog carefully will see that he has some very clear ideas about the trip: Looking into his very own soul is one of them. Thinking about from where he comes, where he will go and what he has done and reached so far. It also could be called a pilgrimage in the best sense of the word. In no way I would describe him as a groupie. But I met him only twice. He remembered me after more than three weeks and he is a very calm, intelligent, free and openminded guy. He made me thinking about some things (and about some books, too), and it was a pleasure to meet him. He also has a way with words. So it is that easy: He likes to travel, he likes MK's music and he loves to write about it. That is the main reason. If I would describe the joy and delights I experienced during this tour (with only two shows), it was of course seeing and hearing MK, and this fabulous band, and the joy of meeting the nice forumers and having a few days off with a MK show in sight. But it also and in any case was also meeting Isaac for sure.
LE
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Thanks LE for your thoughts. They are no contradiction to my post at all, they really underline the behaviour. A groupie is not always a screaming teenager but could be someone 'who rocks with the band' and gives them signs they played ok or other kinds of behaviour.
I was in Frankfurt and Hannover, as I live between these cities. So two shows for me.
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I was in Frankfurt and Hannover, as I live between these cities. So two shows for me.
Oh really? You attended Mark Knopfler twice within only ten days? Once was not enough?
What the need to go back seeing him? Would have not been better to go to see somebody else instead, to discover a small yet unknown band. Holly s...t twice the same in ten days. I tell you, you are in a very big danger of knopflerite addiction (as many others here) :P
BTW, welcome Lise ;D
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I understand your intention but won't follow it! Sorry, but nice try ;)
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I understand your intention but won't follow it! Sorry, but nice try ;)
Good.
If at least only I could understand mine.
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Hi all, my first post here. Mostly, I only read some threads but this is an interesting topic for me as my profession (studied social worker) is helping people getting back into their own life when they 'got lost' somehow. A person who travels with musicians for extended periods of time (following them) is called a groupie. Usually this is connected to girls but I understand that MK has got a lot more male fans than female fans. There are some 'famous' groupies who wrote books like 'I'm with the band' etc and it seems nowadays they write blogs. ;-) Those people are in big danger to live somebody's life. They are usually nice people but they seek attention and don't have a social life (girlfriend or boyfriend) and can therefore easily leave their own life for a long period of time to follow the celebrity.
Some celebrities had various kinds of contacts (you know what I mean :), some celebrities just think those people are mad and nuts and stay away. As I said...interesting topic! ;-)
Interesting points Lise, welcome to the best MK forum in the world.
To be fair to Isaac he is not a "Rudiger" type hanging around at the stage door trying to meet MK etc (I will admit to having done this myself on occassion to get autographs), he just seems to care about the music.
But still interesting points. Like you say, even if I had the money, could take 4 months off work and most importantly wanted to see the same concert every night, I could not and would not want to leave my wife and two sons for that length of time...
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Much easier if you don't have a wife or children though :D.
I for myself would actually love to plan a trip like this. But I would do it different. I would choose 2 or 3 shows a week (depending on MK's schedule) in places I think they are interesting, so I had the best of all:
1. Travelling a lot
2. Hearing the best music in the world every week a couple of times
3. Hang around in nice and new surroundings/cities for more than 1 day
The only thing I need for that is:
1. A little more money
2. A huge more time
Keep on dreaming Ingrid :D
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Much easier if you don't have a wife or children though :D.
I for myself would actually love to plan a trip like this. But I would do it different. I would choose 2 or 3 shows a week (depending on MK's schedule) in places I think they are interesting, so I had the best of all:
1. Travelling a lot
2. Hearing the best music in the world every week a couple of times
3. Hang around in nice and new surroundings/cities for more than 1 day
The only thing I need for that is:
1. A little more money
2. A huge more time
Keep on dreaming Ingrid :D
Yeah, that would be a much better idea although I suppose you could end up missing some unexpected gems, either in places you didn't go to or shows you missed.
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You are right Dusty! And then I would kick myself to the head and say: why are you so lazy wanting a couple of nights in the same hotel in the same town instead of going on and enjoy every show.
We can't have it all I suppose ;D