Post by: allen on April 21, 2019, 01:27:38 PM
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DIARIES
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29 songs were played on the 2015 tour
21 songs yet played on this tour
SET LIST
1. Why Aye Man
2. Nobody Does That
3. Corned Beef City
4. Sailing to Philadelphia
5. Once upon a time in the west
6. Romeo and Juliet
7. My Bacon Roll
8. Matchstick Man
9. Done with Bonaparte
10. Heart Full of Holes
11. Your Latest Trick
12. Postcards from Paraguay
13. On Every Street
14. Speedway at Nazareth
15. Money for Nothing
16. Brothers in Arms
17. Going Home
Post by: regaran on May 06, 2019, 10:06:43 AM
Post by: herlock on May 06, 2019, 10:09:20 AM
Post by: regaran on May 06, 2019, 10:11:09 AM
Second row tonight, so it will be great !
Post by: jbaent on May 06, 2019, 11:34:52 AM
Well, Bordeaux this evening. No plane to take before and after for Mark and Band as they are based in Bordeaux for some days. Hope it will make him even more powerfull !!!!
You can bet!
... But you shouldn't, lol
Post by: dmg on May 06, 2019, 11:53:48 AM
I'll be there !!!
Take a banner with "TELEGRAPH ROAD" written on it and hold it up just after Speedway.
Post by: vr46mk on May 06, 2019, 12:05:58 PM
I'll be there !!!
Take a banner with "TELEGRAPH ROAD" written on it and hold it up just after Speedway.
:lol :lol :thumbsup
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 06, 2019, 03:21:23 PM
I'll be there !!!
Take a banner with "TELEGRAPH ROAD" written on it and hold it up just after Speedway.
No, bollocks to TR take one with THE LONG HIGHWAY on!!!!! :lol :lol :lol
Post by: Robson on May 06, 2019, 03:25:51 PM
Post by: hunter on May 06, 2019, 03:32:25 PM
Post by: dannr1 on May 06, 2019, 03:36:32 PM
Post by: vr46mk on May 06, 2019, 03:43:27 PM
Why women when we can shave letters into our chest-hair 8) ;D
Or put t-shirts with one letter each on the seats on front row and force the people there to do a quick dressing at right time :clap
Post by: hunter on May 06, 2019, 03:49:10 PM
Post by: Solid Rock on May 06, 2019, 04:10:37 PM
And Solid Rock as in Basel in 92. :D
Solid Rock is realy nice song :wave
Post by: dvschend on May 06, 2019, 04:27:49 PM
Should have a row with women with TELEGRAPH ROAD spelled out across their breasts and have them lift up their tops just after Speedway :D
I have seen some women at his concerts. Please no :-X :-X :-X ;D ;D ;D
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/72296705/i-wish-i-was-blind.jpg)
Post by: whitten on May 06, 2019, 05:12:34 PM
Well, Bordeaux this evening. No plane to take before and after for Mark and Band as they are based in Bordeaux for some days. Hope it will make him even more powerfull !!!!
Naahh...today they will have a wine tasting before 00:00 or something like that. So, they will take the scissors again.
(XD)
Post by: hunter on May 06, 2019, 05:24:04 PM
Should have a row with women with TELEGRAPH ROAD spelled out across their breasts and have them lift up their tops just after Speedway :D
I have seen some women at his concerts. Please no :-X :-X :-X ;D ;D ;D
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/72296705/i-wish-i-was-blind.jpg)
LOL!
Post by: DutchMark on May 06, 2019, 05:51:49 PM
I'll be there !!!
Take a banner with "TELEGRAPH ROAD" written on it and hold it up just after Speedway.
like this?? ;D
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2zscggi.jpg)
Post by: quizzaciously on May 06, 2019, 05:56:05 PM
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 06, 2019, 07:34:15 PM
Should have a row with women with TELEGRAPH ROAD spelled out across their breasts and have them lift up their tops just after Speedway :D
Like it! A real Stiff message to MK!!!!!
Post by: jbaent on May 06, 2019, 08:24:02 PM
Should have a row with women with TELEGRAPH ROAD spelled out across their breasts and have them lift up their tops just after Speedway :D
Like it! A real Stiff message to MK!!!!!
Do you want to give him a heart attack?
Post by: arjen on May 06, 2019, 08:26:24 PM
I'll be there !!!
Take a banner with "TELEGRAPH ROAD" written on it and hold it up just after Speedway.
like this?? ;D
Hee i remember that one , i was there HMH Amsterdam wasn't it in 2001 ? :think
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2zscggi.jpg)
Post by: DutchMark on May 06, 2019, 08:35:51 PM
I'll be there !!!
Take a banner with "TELEGRAPH ROAD" written on it and hold it up just after Speedway.
like this?? ;D
Hee i remember that one , i was there HMH Amsterdam wasn't it in 2001 ? :think
Exactamundo !!
Post by: kaleo74 on May 06, 2019, 08:36:38 PM
Should have a row with women with TELEGRAPH ROAD spelled out across their breasts and have them lift up their tops just after Speedway :D
Like it! A real Stiff message to MK!!!!!
Do you want to give him a heart attack?
scuse me, I need my glasses 8)
Post by: jbaent on May 06, 2019, 08:40:29 PM
He never had that problem before...
Post by: dmg on May 06, 2019, 09:01:30 PM
Post by: jbaent on May 06, 2019, 09:06:13 PM
Post by: JF on May 06, 2019, 09:06:30 PM
Post by: vr46mk on May 06, 2019, 09:07:17 PM
Looks like why aye man is gonna have the TR slot in the set...
Or both back tonight..
Post by: jbaent on May 06, 2019, 09:08:43 PM
any live streaming ?
Yes.
Post by: jbaent on May 06, 2019, 09:09:17 PM
Looks like why aye man is gonna have the TR slot in the set...
Or both back tonight..
Add sultans to the bid.
Post by: dmg on May 06, 2019, 09:12:11 PM
Post by: jbaent on May 06, 2019, 09:14:38 PM
Stream dead, but in good news we're only missing CBC!
That's what happens when it depends on good faith of generous fans doing their best for free with the nowadays 4g connection...
Post by: marki on May 06, 2019, 09:15:19 PM
Post by: vr46mk on May 06, 2019, 09:16:25 PM
Post by: dmg on May 06, 2019, 09:16:34 PM
You mean missing NDT
Of course! Perhaps wishful thinking! ;D
Post by: JF on May 06, 2019, 09:19:19 PM
Post by: straitsway75 on May 06, 2019, 09:20:21 PM
Post by: Kris-b on May 06, 2019, 09:21:25 PM
Post by: vr46mk on May 06, 2019, 09:21:37 PM
it's back, and with picture !
was back.. CBC is on repeat ::o
Post by: JF on May 06, 2019, 09:22:10 PM
Post by: dmg on May 06, 2019, 09:24:45 PM
did he say the goodbye speech after WAM ?
I didn't even hear the end of WAM! Right now I'm hearing NDT!
Post by: vr46mk on May 06, 2019, 09:25:46 PM
did he say the goodbye speech after WAM ?
I didn't even hear the end of WAM! Right now I'm hearing NDT!
Yes we got ourselves a time-machine so now we are travelling back in time :)
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 06, 2019, 09:28:17 PM
did he say the goodbye speech after WAM ?
I didn't even hear the end of WAM! Right now I'm hearing NDT!
NDT - Fantastic!!
Post by: dmg on May 06, 2019, 09:38:14 PM
Post by: vr46mk on May 06, 2019, 09:38:44 PM
Post by: kaleo74 on May 06, 2019, 09:40:13 PM
Post by: dmg on May 06, 2019, 09:48:23 PM
Never mind, we'll get CBC for the 3rd time!!!
Post by: kaleo74 on May 06, 2019, 09:52:51 PM
Post by: Dutchessy on May 06, 2019, 09:54:18 PM
2. Nobody Does That
3. Corned Beef City
4. Sailing to Philadelphia
gap
Postcards from Paraguay
On Every Street
Speedway at Nazareth
Post by: El Macho on May 06, 2019, 10:06:23 PM
Post by: Kris-b on May 06, 2019, 10:28:13 PM
Post by: Kris-b on May 06, 2019, 10:31:20 PM
Post by: Kris-b on May 06, 2019, 10:36:39 PM
Post by: vr46mk on May 06, 2019, 10:37:32 PM
Post by: DutchMark on May 06, 2019, 10:40:27 PM
:clap :clap
Post by: Kris-b on May 06, 2019, 10:43:06 PM
Post by: vr46mk on May 06, 2019, 10:44:03 PM
Post by: dmg on May 06, 2019, 10:55:22 PM
Haha yes too bad. We were just getting our TR revealing :o :o
My stream is dead. Has been for a while. So is TR back then?
Post by: Kris-b on May 06, 2019, 10:56:06 PM
Post by: Kris-b on May 06, 2019, 10:58:36 PM
Post by: JF on May 06, 2019, 11:02:48 PM
Post by: Dutchessy on May 06, 2019, 11:03:06 PM
But perhaps TR was before the stream started again. Stream was only for 2 minutes
The end of the beginning of MFN? ;)
Post by: Kris-b on May 06, 2019, 11:03:26 PM
Post by: JF on May 06, 2019, 11:03:30 PM
But perhaps TR was before the stream started again. Stream was only for 2 minutes
no TR :'(
Post by: JF on May 06, 2019, 11:04:04 PM
Some FB posts say that he is playing Brothers in Arms! Can this be true?
yes ! see my link !
Post by: Dutchessy on May 06, 2019, 11:09:23 PM
Post by: Shangri-La on May 06, 2019, 11:11:25 PM
Post by: Dutchessy on May 06, 2019, 11:12:52 PM
2. Nobody Does That
3. Corned Beef City
4. Sailing to Philadelphia
yet unknown gap full of possible surprises ;) ;D
Postcards from Paraguay
On Every Street
Speedway at Nazareth
Money for Nothing
Brothers in Arms
Going Home
Post by: JF on May 06, 2019, 11:15:26 PM
Post by: goon525 on May 06, 2019, 11:16:28 PM
Post by: JF on May 06, 2019, 11:16:50 PM
1. Why Aye Man
2. Nobody Does That
3. Corned Beef City
4. Sailing to Philadelphia
yet unknown gap full of possible surprises ;) ;D
Postcards from Paraguay
On Every Street
Speedway at Nazareth
Money for Nothing
Brothers in Arms
Going Home
YLT just before Postcards, but no Silvertown ! :o :o :o and there was no gap :disbelief :disbelief :'( :'( :'(
Post by: dmg on May 06, 2019, 11:17:13 PM
BIA > TR for me so a very good news. :thumbsup
:disbelief :disbelief
Post by: JF on May 06, 2019, 11:17:43 PM
If I've read this correctly, and we're back to three encores, including BiA, then maybe the loss of TR is acceptable?
it's not only the loss of TR, it's the loss of Silvertown !
Post by: Kris-b on May 06, 2019, 11:19:12 PM
O M G, I always hoped that he will play BIA once. I never saw Mark or DS, so don‘t really care what he plays. I love everything. But I would do anything to hear this.Some FB posts say that he is playing Brothers in Arms! Can this be true?
yes ! see my link !
Hope he does that again in one of my concerts.
Post by: straitsway75 on May 06, 2019, 11:20:16 PM
BIA ! https://www.facebook.com/brunojanot/videos/10156634890898611/good performance, happy to know that BIA is be back :thumbsup
Post by: goon525 on May 06, 2019, 11:20:23 PM
If I've read this correctly, and we're back to three encores, including BiA, then maybe the loss of TR is acceptable?Oh not if we've lost Silvertown too. Great shame.
Post by: Dutchessy on May 06, 2019, 11:22:36 PM
2. Nobody Does That
3. Corned Beef City
4. Sailing to Philadelphia
5. Once upon a time in the west
6. Romeo and Juliet
7. My Bacon Roll
8. Matchstick Man
9. Done with Bonaparte
10. Heart Full of Holes
11. Your Latest Trick
12. Postcards from Paraguay
13. On Every Street
14. Speedway at Nazareth
15. Money for Nothing
16. Brothers in Arms
17. Going Home
Correct?
Post by: dmg on May 06, 2019, 11:23:57 PM
Post by: Shangri-La on May 06, 2019, 11:25:30 PM
1. Why Aye Man
2. Nobody Does That
3. Corned Beef City
4. Sailing to Philadelphia
5. Once upon a time in the west
6. Romeo and Juliet
7. My Bacon Roll
8. Matchstick Man
9. Done with Bonaparte
10. Heart Full of Holes
11. Your Latest Trick
12. Postcards from Paraguay
13. On Every Street
14. Speedway at Nazareth
15. Money for Nothing
16. Brothers in Arms
17. Going Home
Correct?
Great set :thumbsup
Just STP out and OSAAT in :clap
Post by: Dutchessy on May 06, 2019, 11:26:24 PM
Post by: sultan78 on May 06, 2019, 11:28:01 PM
Post by: JF on May 06, 2019, 11:28:38 PM
I really love STP this tour.
+1000 :thumbsup
Post by: dmg on May 06, 2019, 11:30:52 PM
I really love STP this tour.
Yes. Really well played and the sax interplay sounds great on the coda. :thumbsup
The set just goes from bad to worse with the removal of Silvertown though, and if he thinks the massively overplayed BIA is going to fix it it ain't because it sounds bad now. Back in '85 it had power and he sang it well, now it just sounds so slow, lethargic and his weary vocal is feeble.
Post by: Robson on May 06, 2019, 11:33:02 PM
BIA ! https://www.facebook.com/brunojanot/videos/10156634890898611/
:thumbsup :clap
Post by: Dutchessy on May 06, 2019, 11:35:46 PM
Post by: DutchMark on May 06, 2019, 11:46:27 PM
:clap :clap
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 06, 2019, 11:48:16 PM
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 06, 2019, 11:49:23 PM
Woopee-doo! He's never played BIA for years. [sarcasm mode]. ::)
And no he hasn't played TR for years either [Mega Sarcasm mode!!!] Mind you, Whoop-de-doo would be good LIVE too...
Post by: herlock on May 06, 2019, 11:50:37 PM
Great show despite no TR and no SB (!).
Mark was very chatty, told a super extended version of matchstick man, and said "I'm an old dude, I'm done" which we of course protested strongly.
I most disagree with you dmg, BIA was not overplayed, at least for me, last time I could hear it was 9 years ago, I sadly missed it all these years ! And I like the 2015/2019 arrangements, with the intro back ! It was not perfect but so touching, I was one meter away...
Of course the price to pay was heavy. I fully respect that he wanted to drop one song to play another, but why he would choose to drop SB, a new live masterpiece, so great and well played, instead of CBC or NDT, is beyond me. Any clue of his algorithm ? I really hope to get SB back in Toulouse tomorrow, even if I love BIA..
Dinner and party time now :)
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 06, 2019, 11:52:54 PM
1. Why Aye Man
2. Nobody Does That
3. Corned Beef City
4. Sailing to Philadelphia
5. Once upon a time in the west
6. Romeo and Juliet
7. My Bacon Roll
8. Matchstick Man
9. Done with Bonaparte
10. Heart Full of Holes
11. Your Latest Trick
12. Postcards from Paraguay
13. On Every Street
14. Speedway at Nazareth
15. Money for Nothing
16. Brothers in Arms
17. Going Home
Correct?
Great set :thumbsup
Just STP out and OSAAT in :clap
YLT out and OSAAT in more like!!
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 06, 2019, 11:56:13 PM
I really love STP this tour.
Yes. Really well played and the sax interplay sounds great on the coda. :thumbsup
The set just goes from bad to worse with the removal of Silvertown though, and if he thinks the massively overplayed BIA is going to fix it it ain't because it sounds bad now. Back in '85 it had power and he sang it well, now it just sounds so slow, lethargic and his weary vocal is feeble.
Absolute tosh dmg, BIA will forever be an anthem......
Post by: PortobelloBelle on May 06, 2019, 11:57:12 PM
There is so much complaining on this forum these days, it makes me sad. MK's saying this is his very last tour, and people are struggling to cope with the setlist?? He's playing more than an hour, he's got a great band, let him do what he wants and let's all just enjoy the songs - that's how I feel.
However, it's also cool that we're all talking and able to share how we feel without anyone feeling like they CAN'T say what's on their mind. I'm sure we all have songs we'd like to hear for these last concerts. I'd love to hear TOL again, and I DEFINITELY agree with everyone here about OSAAT (just because the lyrics are so personal), and I would even love it if DSMI would replace Pyroman as the tour surprise. Is Don't Suck Me In popular enough to be DSMI yet? LOL
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 12:00:26 AM
Post by: dmg on May 07, 2019, 12:01:08 AM
Woopee-doo! He's never played BIA for years. [sarcasm mode]. ::)
And no he hasn't played TR for years either [Mega Sarcasm mode!!!]
It's not a case of "because I want TR" but that any setlist needs a climax. TR fulfils that role perfectly just as ToL did (and he disappoints me there too btw). Speedway doesn't do it, especially in it's stripped-down format with brass helping him out on the final solo now. There is no monumental, epic song to make the audience jump to their feet and gasp now. The set doesn't work properly without a real climax. That is the reason it should be reinstated.
BIA is a pale imitation (no pun intended) of the live versions of the BIA tour (and others) and the sooner it is laid to rest the better.
Post by: Fletch on May 07, 2019, 12:04:33 AM
:smack
There is so much complaining on this forum these days, it makes me sad. MK's saying this is his very last tour, and people are struggling to cope with the setlist??
It bothers me that foma/quizzy has dropped some of his epic complaining and it has been replaced with dmg's. It's fine that there is some variation in the complaining, i guess, but what about the fans who haven't heard a good foma whinge for ages? Anyway, it is still a pretty good line up of whinging generally, and, as it is the last tour, I'm going to just sit back and enjoy every last whine.
Post by: Pottel on May 07, 2019, 12:06:47 AM
instead of the band/management. such an easy business opportunity for them. jeez...Stream dead, but in good news we're only missing CBC!
That's what happens when it depends on good faith of generous fans doing their best for free with the nowadays 4g connection...
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 12:06:57 AM
I think seeing and hearing MK live full stop is enough in itself and I'm really excited about my two forthcoming shows. To be honest I'm not sure why you are bothering to go to any concerts as they are clearly not up to your expectations and standard.
As for BIA that is a classic that just has to be played, and although you may not like it, some of us do along with other tunes in the set list...
Now please try and make some more positive posts about what you are hearing as quite frankly its getting boring reading what you don't like.....
Post by: Pottel on May 07, 2019, 12:08:14 AM
Yes I give up.. always appreciate efforts but this stream is S--T!any fan doing his best getting us anything out of those steel and concrete bunkers, should be hailed like a half-god, not this comment!
will you be streaming any of the shows you are going to go to?
Post by: dmg on May 07, 2019, 12:09:16 AM
:smack
There is so much complaining on this forum these days, it makes me sad. MK's saying this is his very last tour, and people are struggling to cope with the setlist?? He's playing more than an hour, he's got a great band, let him do what he wants and let's all just enjoy the songs - that's how I feel.
However, it's also cool that we're all talking and able to share how we feel without anyone feeling like they CAN'T say what's on their mind. I'm sure we all have songs we'd like to hear for these last concerts. I'd love to hear TOL again, and I DEFINITELY agree with everyone here about OSAAT (just because the lyrics are so personal), and I would even love it if DSMI would replace Pyroman as the tour surprise. Is Don't Suck Me In popular enough to be DSMI yet? LOL
I don't know about everyone else here but it bothers me what sort of legacy my man leaves behind on his final tour - this is why I am very much bothered about the setlist and so much want him to showcase his talent. I want people to leave the show thinking highly of my man and not thinking highly of the band he has beside him and that he didn't play Sultans, he didn't play TR, he didn't play ToL... This bothers me. Does nobody else care about this or is it just me? I'm getting ticked off from people in here because I care about the very person we're all supposed to be on here for and it seems nobody else is bothered what he hell he does!
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 12:10:35 AM
Yes I give up.. always appreciate efforts but this stream is S--T!any fan doing his best getting us anything out of those steel and concrete bunkers, should be hailed like a half-god, not this comment!
will you be streaming any of the shows you are going to go to?
Yes, I agree with Mr Pottel here, be thankful that people are making the effort to stream......
Post by: Pottel on May 07, 2019, 12:13:21 AM
exactly do that, ya'll enjoy whatever parts you enjoy and moan/let the others moan, all they want, we are a free forum. as long as no hate/racism or the like is used, they can continue, we are not the MK ass-licking-forum, but the mark fan forum, and we have the right to not like certain things.:smack
There is so much complaining on this forum these days, it makes me sad. MK's saying this is his very last tour, and people are struggling to cope with the setlist??
It bothers me that foma/quizzy has dropped some of his epic complaining and it has been replaced with dmg's. It's fine that there is some variation in the complaining, i guess, but what about the fans who haven't heard a good foma whinge for ages? Anyway, it is still a pretty good line up of whinging generally, and, as it is the last tour, I'm going to just sit back and enjoy every last whine.
Post by: Pottel on May 07, 2019, 12:14:32 AM
agree, he could "give" us so much more (not that he owes us anything, do not get me wrong, but why keep all the goodies locked away?:smack
There is so much complaining on this forum these days, it makes me sad. MK's saying this is his very last tour, and people are struggling to cope with the setlist?? He's playing more than an hour, he's got a great band, let him do what he wants and let's all just enjoy the songs - that's how I feel.
However, it's also cool that we're all talking and able to share how we feel without anyone feeling like they CAN'T say what's on their mind. I'm sure we all have songs we'd like to hear for these last concerts. I'd love to hear TOL again, and I DEFINITELY agree with everyone here about OSAAT (just because the lyrics are so personal), and I would even love it if DSMI would replace Pyroman as the tour surprise. Is Don't Suck Me In popular enough to be DSMI yet? LOL
I don't know about everyone else here but it bothers me what sort of legacy my man leaves behind on his final tour - this is why I am very much bothered about the setlist and so much want him to showcase his talent. I want people to leave the show thinking highly of my man and not thinking highly of the band he has beside him and that he didn't play Sultans, he didn't play TR, he didn't play ToL... This bothers me. Does nobody else care about this or is it just me? I'm getting ticked off from people in here because I care about the very person we're all supposed to be on here for and it seems nobody else is bothered what he hell he does!
Post by: 2manyguitars on May 07, 2019, 12:14:58 AM
:smack
There is so much complaining on this forum these days, it makes me sad. MK's saying this is his very last tour, and people are struggling to cope with the setlist?? He's playing more than an hour, he's got a great band, let him do what he wants and let's all just enjoy the songs - that's how I feel.
However, it's also cool that we're all talking and able to share how we feel without anyone feeling like they CAN'T say what's on their mind. I'm sure we all have songs we'd like to hear for these last concerts. I'd love to hear TOL again, and I DEFINITELY agree with everyone here about OSAAT (just because the lyrics are so personal), and I would even love it if DSMI would replace Pyroman as the tour surprise. Is Don't Suck Me In popular enough to be DSMI yet? LOL
I don't know about everyone else here but it bothers me what sort of legacy my man leaves behind on his final tour - this is why I am very much bothered about the setlist and so much want him to showcase his talent. I want people to leave the show thinking highly of my man and not thinking highly of the band he has beside him and that he didn't play Sultans, he didn't play TR, he didn't play ToL... This bothers me. Does nobody else care about this or is it just me? I'm getting ticked off from people in here because I care about the very person we're all supposed to be on here for and it seems nobody else is bothered what he hell he does!
You answered your own question. We are here because of what he does, not what we want him to do. Simple.
Post by: Pottel on May 07, 2019, 12:17:15 AM
nah, be honest, you would also want him to do other things every now and then, add some spice. mix things up a bit etc.:smack
There is so much complaining on this forum these days, it makes me sad. MK's saying this is his very last tour, and people are struggling to cope with the setlist?? He's playing more than an hour, he's got a great band, let him do what he wants and let's all just enjoy the songs - that's how I feel.
However, it's also cool that we're all talking and able to share how we feel without anyone feeling like they CAN'T say what's on their mind. I'm sure we all have songs we'd like to hear for these last concerts. I'd love to hear TOL again, and I DEFINITELY agree with everyone here about OSAAT (just because the lyrics are so personal), and I would even love it if DSMI would replace Pyroman as the tour surprise. Is Don't Suck Me In popular enough to be DSMI yet? LOL
I don't know about everyone else here but it bothers me what sort of legacy my man leaves behind on his final tour - this is why I am very much bothered about the setlist and so much want him to showcase his talent. I want people to leave the show thinking highly of my man and not thinking highly of the band he has beside him and that he didn't play Sultans, he didn't play TR, he didn't play ToL... This bothers me. Does nobody else care about this or is it just me? I'm getting ticked off from people in here because I care about the very person we're all supposed to be on here for and it seems nobody else is bothered what he hell he does!
You answered your own question. We are here because of what he does, not what we want him to do. Simple.
i am a lifelong fan, love most of the stuff he does, but also i do not entirely like the current state of affairs. yes there is some great stuff, let us NOT forget he brought back OUATITW, but,...he has sooooooo effing much more to do that kind of stuff....
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 12:19:06 AM
How about the 'goodies' are locked away because 'our man's struggles playing them now??
We wouldn't want to remember MK trying to get through SOS on his potentially last tour would we, especially as it wouldn't be played like he did it in '85!!!! :lol
Post by: Pottel on May 07, 2019, 12:20:40 AM
100% correct 2manyguitars.more then enough other goodies, pls let him put SoS to rest now.
How about the 'goodies' are locked away because 'our man's struggles playing them now??
We wouldn't want to remember MK trying to get through SOS on his potentially last tour would we especially as it wouldn't be played like he did in '85!!!! :lol
camerado, don't suck me in, my claim to fame, kingdom come, gravy train, Water of love, where do you think you're going, long highway, etc...
Post by: 2manyguitars on May 07, 2019, 12:21:58 AM
nah, be honest, you would also want him to do other things every now and then, add some spice. mix things up a bit etc.:smack
There is so much complaining on this forum these days, it makes me sad. MK's saying this is his very last tour, and people are struggling to cope with the setlist?? He's playing more than an hour, he's got a great band, let him do what he wants and let's all just enjoy the songs - that's how I feel.
However, it's also cool that we're all talking and able to share how we feel without anyone feeling like they CAN'T say what's on their mind. I'm sure we all have songs we'd like to hear for these last concerts. I'd love to hear TOL again, and I DEFINITELY agree with everyone here about OSAAT (just because the lyrics are so personal), and I would even love it if DSMI would replace Pyroman as the tour surprise. Is Don't Suck Me In popular enough to be DSMI yet? LOL
I don't know about everyone else here but it bothers me what sort of legacy my man leaves behind on his final tour - this is why I am very much bothered about the setlist and so much want him to showcase his talent. I want people to leave the show thinking highly of my man and not thinking highly of the band he has beside him and that he didn't play Sultans, he didn't play TR, he didn't play ToL... This bothers me. Does nobody else care about this or is it just me? I'm getting ticked off from people in here because I care about the very person we're all supposed to be on here for and it seems nobody else is bothered what he hell he does!
You answered your own question. We are here because of what he does, not what we want him to do. Simple.
i am a lifelong fan, love most of the stuff he does, but also i do not entirely like the current state of affairs. yes there is some great stuff, let us NOT forget he brought back OUATITW, but,...he has sooooooo effing much more to do that kind of stuff....
But what's the point of approaching it like that. If we only ever listen to what we want then our musical horizons will always remain narrow. I didn't want DS to go country in 1990, but I stuck with it and my tastes adapted. I wasn't a huge fan of folk music but I was open to the journey that Mark took us on. Of course I could list numerous songs I would personally like to hear, but the one thing I wouldn't do is to appear mortally wounded when I didn't hear what I wanted to, and I certainly wouldn't accuse MK&Co of short changing me or being lazy in approach.
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 12:22:42 AM
100% correct 2manyguitars.more then enough other goodies, pls let him put SoS to rest now.
How about the 'goodies' are locked away because 'our man's struggles playing them now??
We wouldn't want to remember MK trying to get through SOS on his potentially last tour would we especially as it wouldn't be played like he did in '85!!!! :lol
camerado, don't suck me in, my claim to fame, kingdom come, gravy train, Water of love, where do you think you're going, long highway, etc...
Woooohooooo, theres some goodies there alright Mr Pottel, and yes no reason why TLH couldn't be played among the others you mention...
Post by: PensaGhost on May 07, 2019, 12:48:49 AM
No TR and No Silvertown is unacceptable to me
Post by: Pottel on May 07, 2019, 12:51:12 AM
man the first show setlist was great, we are going in the wrong directionstill, the man does not need your permission. also, is there truly nothing you would prefer to hear instrad of TR again? say.....TOL?
No TR and No Silvertown is unacceptable to me
Post by: 2manyguitars on May 07, 2019, 12:56:28 AM
Anyone see what I did there? ;) ;D
Post by: Pottel on May 07, 2019, 01:14:47 AM
I demand that mark plays down to the waterline on bagpipes, euphonium, and tuba. If it doesn't happen I will find this completely unacceptable and will take his lack of pipe and brass lessons as a personal affront to me, I mean how dare he not dredge up a song from 40 years ago just for my personal pleasure.....nah, must've missed it....
Anyone see what I did there? ;) ;D
Post by: quizzaciously on May 07, 2019, 01:53:21 AM
:smack
There is so much complaining on this forum these days, it makes me sad. MK's saying this is his very last tour, and people are struggling to cope with the setlist??
It bothers me that foma/quizzy has dropped some of his epic complaining and it has been replaced with dmg's. It's fine that there is some variation in the complaining, i guess, but what about the fans who haven't heard a good foma whinge for ages? Anyway, it is still a pretty good line up of whinging generally, and, as it is the last tour, I'm going to just sit back and enjoy every last whine.
Thanks for that line, I laughed really hard reading this :lol Keep in mind, that I'm not a real moaner, I just troll people who are too sensitive for things, I feel a responsibility to attack when I see yet another blind praise or better yet, another dig towards moaners. I can't say I don't believe in everything that I say here, but my opinion is more or less based around my true feelings. So I'm sorry, Guy, guys here on AMIT, please bear with me.
I wish Brothers would be played on the show I was attending, this is the song I desperately wanted to hear. But I'm not a winner of MK Lottery.
Post by: vr46mk on May 07, 2019, 06:14:04 AM
Yes I give up.. always appreciate efforts but this stream is S--T!any fan doing his best getting us anything out of those steel and concrete bunkers, should be hailed like a half-god, not this comment!
will you be streaming any of the shows you are going to go to?
Yes, I agree with Mr Pottel here, be thankful that people are making the effort to stream......
Jesus Christ, do you know how to read? :disbelief I started saying I always appreciate the efforts made by people.... Come on.
So some changes again yesterday, MK lottery here to stay :lol
Post by: Jasper90 on May 07, 2019, 06:59:59 AM
I still think if it comes to Marks playing, the TR versions where really good this tour, yeah shorter end solo but with good and a lot of energy and he did some really nice licks.. atleast thats what I thought ;D. With BIA you hear him struggeling even much more in the end solo, the rest he played nicely :). So no idea where the choices come from :think.
Still I really like the setlist... if he dicides to really drop TR. Then atleast leave BIA and Silvertown in ;D. Or yeah OSAAT is ofcourse also welcome, but he could play that instead of postcards?! :think :lol
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2019, 07:30:46 AM
Or yeah OSAAT is ofcourse also welcome, but he could play that instead of postcards?! :think :lol
Instead of Bonaparte. OSAAT and Bonaparte have kind of the same tempo and feel. Postcards sounds really good now and should stay.
Post by: qjamesfloyd on May 07, 2019, 08:54:21 AM
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 09:11:59 AM
I don't know what the issue is. So, Silvertown was dropped for "this show" and Telegraph Road was dropped, it could come back, and Brothers in Arms has reappeared, and so has Once Upon A Time in the West, weren't people asking for a set list shake up? and not the static set list? this isn't static!! he won't change every song for every show, but the odd song in and out now and again is fine with me. Mark, for me, is over his career the greatest songwriter and guitarist out ever, there is no-one who can touch him for the quality of his playing, composition and lyrics combined.
I agree that the setlist is becoming less static on this tour, which is what we have been hoping would happen for a long time. I have no idea what will be on my three set lists, so whatever comes along will be a surprise! I have a few hopes and wishes, but I'm sure the show will be fine - no, great! :)
Post by: Silvertown on May 07, 2019, 09:15:02 AM
I don't know what the issue is. So, Silvertown was dropped for "this show" and Telegraph Road was dropped, it could come back, and Brothers in Arms has reappeared, and so has Once Upon A Time in the West, weren't people asking for a set list shake up? and not the static set list? this isn't static!! he won't change every song for every show, but the odd song in and out now and again is fine with me. Mark, for me, is over his career the greatest songwriter and guitarist out ever, there is no-one who can touch him for the quality of his playing, composition and lyrics combined.
We are in the same boat here. First, people complain about static set list and now they are talking about MK lottery as a bad thing :hmm Of course I understand the importance of Telegraph road for many people, but it does not have the glory it used to have and again Speedway is a bit similar "building up" song. Silvertown blues in very emotional song for me and I truly would like to hear that. Whether I will happen or not, let´s see. However, I am enjoying this journey!
Post by: Jasper90 on May 07, 2019, 09:18:37 AM
I don't know what the issue is. So, Silvertown was dropped for "this show" and Telegraph Road was dropped, it could come back, and Brothers in Arms has reappeared, and so has Once Upon A Time in the West, weren't people asking for a set list shake up? and not the static set list? this isn't static!! he won't change every song for every show, but the odd song in and out now and again is fine with me. Mark, for me, is over his career the greatest songwriter and guitarist out ever, there is no-one who can touch him for the quality of his playing, composition and lyrics combined.
Oh yes I agree! And as I said I really like the setlist from this tour a lot! I mean we had/have Silvertown, MFN, OUOATITW, WAM, Sailing, SAT, OES etc back how cool is only that already :). And Bacon Roll is for me really a beautifull song live :clap. But for me it doesn’t really matter if Mark has a static setlist in the tour. Usually people go 1 time, and then it matters only what he plays per tour and not necessarly per night. For us as we follow him every night the changing of the songs/setlist is cool. I hope he keeps the cool songs, like for example WAM or Silvertown (TR too in that way, but we can not wish for all) but a lot of times he skippes exactly the songs I like the most :lol.
On the other side it makes me more and more curious what he plays tonight and the rest of the tour ;D
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 09:58:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26Y7Z47SuWI
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2019, 10:09:51 AM
Post by: Dutchessy on May 07, 2019, 10:15:42 AM
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 10:19:15 AM
I haven't really enjoyed BIA for a few tours now, but I just listened to the one from Bordeaux and I found it unexpectedly good! :clap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26Y7Z47SuWI
I've loved most Live renditions of BIA and Bordeaux is no exception as it is amazeballs!!!!!
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2019, 10:23:29 AM
Great Brothers in Arms version. Hope to hear it live one more time.
Just watched it now on YT. I liked it very much. Great with the intro. Mark struggled with the lyrics a bit (looked at the prompter now and then as well) and clearly hasn't played it on guitar for some time, but you know what? It actually makes a bit more personal for me. This is Mark now. Past his prime as a guitarist and performer, but still delivering beautiful songs and with soul. You sense that it is not effortless for him anymore, and that makes it all the more special.
Post by: tunnel85 on May 07, 2019, 10:26:19 AM
Only the 8th show and he kicks out SB and TR...
Variation is good but it can't be on the best tracks.
We all know what it means : the truth is somewhere between definitely out or first option when he needs to shorten the set or try another POS from the last album. Obviously, the biggest threat is on SB ... another YTC, Redbud tree, ... a couple of early tries and gone forever :'(
By the way, if anyone likes NDT, MM, HFOH ... , don't worry, bring your pillow to the show, he's gonna play them every single time.
Could possibly play them twice on the same set.
What's left on the setlist ? 3 songs : OUATITW, SAN and MFN ... Come on.
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 10:27:16 AM
Great Brothers in Arms version. Hope to hear it live one more time.
Just watched it now on YT. I liked it very much. Great with the intro. Mark struggled with the lyrics a bit (looked at the prompter now and then as well) and clearly hasn't played it on guitar for some time, but you know what? It actually makes a bit more personal for me. This is Mark now. Past his prime as a guitarist and performer, but still delivering beautiful songs and with soul. You sense that it is not effortless for him anymore, and that makes it all the more special.
Yes, I found it extremely touching, even though he struggled with the lyrics!
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 10:29:33 AM
Great Brothers in Arms version. Hope to hear it live one more time.
Just watched it now on YT. I liked it very much. Great with the intro. Mark struggled with the lyrics a bit (looked at the prompter now and then as well) and clearly hasn't played it on guitar for some time, but you know what? It actually makes a bit more personal for me. This is Mark now. Past his prime as a guitarist and performer, but still delivering beautiful songs and with soul. You sense that it is not effortless for him anymore, and that makes it all the more special.
Couldn't actually listen to it without having a slight tear in the eye as its played very emotionally...
Post by: localhero1986 on May 07, 2019, 10:36:43 AM
All that matters
Sonny liston
Stand up guy
Corned beef city
Encore:
Marbletown
So don’t complain if you “only” get 14 songs, except if they have to rush to the airport of course! ;D
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 10:39:41 AM
Don’t worry folks, I’ve just had some inside information and he will be playing the “everyone’s favourite 5 song setlist”, only the best of the best!
All that matters
Sonny liston
Stand up guy
Corned beef city
Encore:
Marbletown
So don’t complain if you “only” get 14 songs, except if they have to rush to the airport of course! ;D
Especially to be played for dmg!!!!!
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2019, 10:40:05 AM
as its played very emotionally...
Which is really all that matters. When it gets too slick, too rehearsed, when the autopilot sets in, or even worse, when Mark gets bored, that's when I lose interest as well.
Post by: qjamesfloyd on May 07, 2019, 10:40:33 AM
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 10:40:58 AM
as its played very emotionally...
Which is really all that matters. When it gets too slick, too rehearsed, when the autopilot sets in, or even worse, when Mark gets bored, that's when I lose interest as well.
As in the 1985 versions....
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 10:41:55 AM
I enjoyed that. I like the variation on the intro, I remember Mark saying he tried it different ways and it was never the same as the original, but it is great he is trying something different for the final tour, he was throwing in new licks often too, improvising.
That's probably why this version is soooooo good...
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2019, 10:42:33 AM
as its played very emotionally...
Which is really all that matters. When it gets too slick, too rehearsed, when the autopilot sets in, or even worse, when Mark gets bored, that's when I lose interest as well.
As in the 1985 versions....
Well, can you imagine, with that many shows? There's now way you can muster up strong emotions show after show after show.
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 10:43:49 AM
as its played very emotionally...
Which is really all that matters. When it gets too slick, too rehearsed, when the autopilot sets in, or even worse, when Mark gets bored, that's when I lose interest as well.
As in the 1985 versions....
Well, can you imagine, with that many shows? There's now way you can muster up strong emotions show after show after show.
Exactly, so it's good that MK does vary a few goodies for us so boredom for him and the band does not set in...
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2019, 10:51:11 AM
as its played very emotionally...
Which is really all that matters. When it gets too slick, too rehearsed, when the autopilot sets in, or even worse, when Mark gets bored, that's when I lose interest as well.
As in the 1985 versions....
Well, can you imagine, with that many shows? There's now way you can muster up strong emotions show after show after show.
Exactly, so it's good that MK does vary a few goodies for us so boredom for him and the band does not set in...
And who knows if he has to make a day-to-day decision based on how he feels physically? If he feels he's not up to the more physically tasking songs, then it's much better for everyone that he drops them.
If we put everything into perspective, I think the setlist makes perfect sense and I admire Mark for listening both to his heart and head.
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 10:59:49 AM
as its played very emotionally...
Which is really all that matters. When it gets too slick, too rehearsed, when the autopilot sets in, or even worse, when Mark gets bored, that's when I lose interest as well.
As in the 1985 versions....
Well, can you imagine, with that many shows? There's now way you can muster up strong emotions show after show after show.
Exactly, so it's good that MK does vary a few goodies for us so boredom for him and the band does not set in...
And who knows if he has to make a day-to-day decision based on how he feels physically? If he feels he's not up to the more physically tasking songs, then it's much better for everyone that he drops them.
If we put everything into perspective, I think the setlist makes perfect sense and I admire Mark for listening both to his heart and head.
:thumbsup :clap
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 11:00:07 AM
as its played very emotionally...
Which is really all that matters. When it gets too slick, too rehearsed, when the autopilot sets in, or even worse, when Mark gets bored, that's when I lose interest as well.
As in the 1985 versions....
Well, can you imagine, with that many shows? There's now way you can muster up strong emotions show after show after show.
Exactly, so it's good that MK does vary a few goodies for us so boredom for him and the band does not set in...
And who knows if he has to make a day-to-day decision based on how he feels physically? If he feels he's not up to the more physically tasking songs, then it's much better for everyone that he drops them.
If we put everything into perspective, I think the setlist makes perfect sense and I admire Mark for listening both to his heart and head.
:thumbsup
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 12:01:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17WxyfScMA8
Post by: cbellingham on May 07, 2019, 12:03:44 PM
By the end of the tour we will have said goodbye to MFN, BIA, WAM, TR and Silvertown only for them to be replaced with Haul Away, Marbletown, Fish and the Bird etc :lol
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 12:12:19 PM
Post by: Robson on May 07, 2019, 12:14:35 PM
Heart Full of Holes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17WxyfScMA8
Mystical Song
I hope Mark will play Brothers in two Polish cities. This is a very important song for me
Post by: Pottel on May 07, 2019, 12:24:03 PM
Are you serious amigo? Did you just ask me if I the dude, could read? One more post in that time and Our can go sit in the ban benchYes I give up.. always appreciate efforts but this stream is S--T!any fan doing his best getting us anything out of those steel and concrete bunkers, should be hailed like a half-god, not this comment!
will you be streaming any of the shows you are going to go to?
Yes, I agree with Mr Pottel here, be thankful that people are making the effort to stream......
Jesus Christ, do you know how to read? :disbelief I started saying I always appreciate the efforts made by people.... Come on.
So some changes again yesterday, MK lottery here to stay
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Post by: vr46mk on May 07, 2019, 12:32:25 PM
If it turns out it doesn't work, so be it. Yes the stream was not good since it was looping/previous show but still appreciate everyone who gives his/her best for us... Move on now, enough with this.
Post by: Pottel on May 07, 2019, 12:36:54 PM
I said I Always appreciate the efforts!Maybe you forget that you are a guest here, on this forum? Your tone is not appreciated. And yes, continue with the music now.
If it turns out it doesn't work, so be it. Yes the stream was not good since it was looping/previous show but still appreciate everyone who gives his/her best for us... Move on now, enough with this.
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Post by: Love Expresso on May 07, 2019, 12:39:57 PM
LE
Post by: dmg on May 07, 2019, 12:40:12 PM
Perhaps MK reads this forum and is playing a game with us...the more we demand certain songs or express disappointment that something is skipped, the more he downgrades the set list!
By the end of the tour we will have said goodbye to MFN, BIA, WAM, TR and Silvertown only for them to be replaced with Haul Away, Marbletown, Fish and the Bird etc :lol
I certainly hope TR doesn't reappear and would hate TOL to make an appearance then! Fingers crossed for Fish and the Bird. Loving the songs being removed from the setlist. ;) ;) ;)
Seriously though, I've been listening to BIA from last night and really enjoyed it. I was quite emotional watching the old man performing one of his anthems for one of the final times and it quite struck me. Alternating this for MFN is not an issue as it doesn't make a difference to the way the set goes. It's personal preference for some.
As for TR and the songs that have been removed, well...
__________________
I'd like to make a point with those claiming I've been moaning recently. I have actually been opening my heart to you with many emotions going through me right now. Some frustration, anger but probably sadness most of all. I think we're all in the same boat on here but some express ourselves differently for various reasons. I just want our man to go out with the bang he deserves and not go out with a whimper playing songs like MM, Bonaparte, Postcards, NDT and HFOH. To be honest most competent artists could do these with this band. Mark is worthy of so much more and the gems he has removed means there is very little left to the shows. Can any Knopfler fan really be happy at him going out like this? If he had done a tour of a dozen dates would he have dropped all these songs? This would've been the best option for him.
Post by: vr46mk on May 07, 2019, 12:46:34 PM
Perhaps MK reads this forum and is playing a game with us...the more we demand certain songs or express disappointment that something is skipped, the more he downgrades the set list!
By the end of the tour we will have said goodbye to MFN, BIA, WAM, TR and Silvertown only for them to be replaced with Haul Away, Marbletown, Fish and the Bird etc :lol
I certainly hope TR doesn't reappear and would hate TOL to make an appearance then! Fingers crossed for Fish and the Bird. Loving the songs being removed from the setlist. ;) ;) ;)
Seriously though, I've been listening to BIA from last night and really enjoyed it. I was quite emotional watching the old man performing one of his anthems for one of the final times and it quite struck me. Alternating this for MFN is not an issue as it doesn't make a difference to the way the set goes. It's personal preference for some.
As for TR and the songs that have been removed, well...
__________________
I'd like to make a point with those claiming I've been moaning recently. I have actually been opening my heart to you with many emotions going through me right now. Some frustration, anger but probably sadness most of all. I think we're all in the same boat on here but some express ourselves differently for various reasons. I just want our man to go out with the bang he deserves and not go out with a whimper playing songs like MM, Bonaparte, Postcards, NDT and HFOH. To be honest most competent artists could do these with this band. Mark is worthy of so much more and the gems he has removed means there is very little left to the shows. Can any Knopfler fan really be happy at him going out like this? If he had done a tour of a dozen dates would he have dropped all these songs? This would've been the best option for him.
Agree. Alternating MFN/BIA is a good idea :thumbsup which maybe could give space again for TR
Post by: jbaent on May 07, 2019, 12:49:27 PM
Please, never ever stop playing Corned beef city, bacon toll or Bonaparte, never, they are key moments of the show!
And never play tunnel of love. Who wants that old long tune in a concert!
Post by: Love Expresso on May 07, 2019, 12:50:28 PM
LE
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2019, 12:54:31 PM
I'd like to make a point with those claiming I've been moaning recently. I have actually been opening my heart to you with many emotions going through me right now. Some frustration, anger but probably sadness most of all. I think we're all in the same boat on here but some express ourselves differently for various reasons. I just want our man to go out with the bang he deserves and not go out with a whimper playing songs like MM, Bonaparte, Postcards, NDT and HFOH. To be honest most competent artists could do these with this band. Mark is worthy of so much more and the gems he has removed means there is very little left to the shows. Can any Knopfler fan really be happy at him going out like this? If he had done a tour of a dozen dates would he have dropped all these songs? This would've been the best option for him.
I understand where you're coming from, and there's nothing more I'd like to see than Mark go out with a bang, playing the old hits with vigor and energy. But apparently he is not able to. After playing a good 90 minutes, his hands are tired. Even slow BIA was a piece of work for him last night. So echoing the words of others here, it is what it is. It's honest and emotional and heartfelt, and we really can't ask for more.
Post by: dmg on May 07, 2019, 01:01:01 PM
Moan as much as you like please. We have made a point and a rule about "'moaning" a long time ago. Some people have just not the ability to stand the truth and call it negativity immediately as soon as a critical or let's just say.. A DIFFERENT THOUGHT is uttered. A forum without different opinions looses its right to exist, it's what a forum is made for. If those people who still live in their bubblegum world (and say Move on at every occasion as they want to avoid more discussion) can't stand different opinions, it's their problem, not yours. It's a question of maturity to handle different opinions. I totally get where you are coming from and agree to what you say as I know WHERE it is coming from and from what point of view. From a heart full of holes so to say.
LE
Thanks LE & hunter. Although I still wouldn't tag it moaning! I can't really understand big fans that are happy with the big final goodbye going out with a whimper. Wouldn't it be so good if he went out with what we could all agree on what was a good tour. He seems "on it" this tour I think, compared to 2015 but the good songs keep falling by the wayside and there's nothing left showcasing what he can do. He did it for the first few shows so has he decided to pace himself? If so would he have not been better to do maybe a dozen shows on a UK or European tour instead; quality over quantity.
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 01:10:54 PM
Sound check was lengthy as we wanted to run a few things we’re not currently playing in the set, to keep them fresh.
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2019, 01:11:12 PM
there's nothing left showcasing what he can do.
This is where I think you have it wrong. Yes, there's little left showcasing what he used to be able to do (used to could :) ), but he does what he can as a 69 year old man. And I think that's fully acceptable. Mark is more than flashy guitar wizardry, even if that's what caught the attention of a lot of us in the first place. It's been downhill guitarwise for a few years now, so to expect him to suddenly be restored to former glory is unrealistic.
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2019, 01:12:03 PM
This from Guy's diary today:
Sound check was lengthy as we wanted to run a few things we’re not currently playing in the set, to keep them fresh.
Hear, hear!
Post by: Dutchessy on May 07, 2019, 01:20:05 PM
Post by: Dutchessy on May 07, 2019, 01:22:19 PM
This from Guy's diary today:
Sound check was lengthy as we wanted to run a few things we’re not currently playing in the set, to keep them fresh.
That's good news!
Trapper Man and Back on the Dancefloor? :) Let's hope they will be included soon. It's ok for me if they keep changing all the songs from concert to concert. So i think TR and SB will return sometimes as well.
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 01:33:49 PM
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 01:47:51 PM
there's nothing left showcasing what he can do.
This is where I think you have it wrong. Yes, there's little left showcasing what he used to be able to do (used to could :) ), but he does what he can as a 69 year old man. And I think that's fully acceptable. Mark is more than flashy guitar wizardry, even if that's what caught the attention of a lot of us in the first place. It's been downhill guitarwise for a few years now, so to expect him to suddenly be restored to former glory is unrealistic.
I agree, hunter. I would love MK to play all of the songs I love and go out with a bang, but it's obvious to me that he tires very easily, especially towards the end of the show, so hearing that beautiful rendition of BIA, even though it wasn't perfect, made it even more special and moving for me.
We don't actually know what is wrong with MK healthwise, but it doesn't seem to be just an age problem, although it is one of the reasons. Only time will tell.
Post by: Robson on May 07, 2019, 01:55:31 PM
there's nothing left showcasing what he can do.
This is where I think you have it wrong. Yes, there's little left showcasing what he used to be able to do (used to could :) ), but he does what he can as a 69 year old man. And I think that's fully acceptable. Mark is more than flashy guitar wizardry, even if that's what caught the attention of a lot of us in the first place. It's been downhill guitarwise for a few years now, so to expect him to suddenly be restored to former glory is unrealistic.
I agree, hunter. I would love MK to play all of the songs I love and go out with a bang, but it's obvious to me that he tires very easily, especially towards the end of the show, so hearing that beautiful rendition of BIA, even though it wasn't perfect, made it even more special and moving for me.
We don't actually know what is wrong with MK healthwise, but it doesn't seem to be just an age problem, although it is one of the reasons. Only time will tell.
And I agree again.
Post by: TheTimeWasWrong on May 07, 2019, 01:58:40 PM
Trapper Man and Back on the Dancefloor? :) Let's hope they will be included soon. It's ok for me if they keep changing all the songs from concert to concert. So i think TR and SB will return sometimes as well.
I thought he was really struggling with SB the last few shows, more than in the first shows, I doubt it will return.
I've been thinking a lot about the teleprompter, he kind of needed it for BIA which is weird after performing that song over 700 times. I have a feeling there's something wrong with MK, yes he's getting older but he's also getting more sentimental on a personal level, just listen to the last verse of Pale Imitation, there is something going on affecting his performances that we don't know about. But of course I could be completely wrong.
Still looking forward to Amsterdam!
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 02:17:56 PM
Trapper Man and Back on the Dancefloor? :) Let's hope they will be included soon. It's ok for me if they keep changing all the songs from concert to concert. So i think TR and SB will return sometimes as well.
I thought he was really struggling with SB the last few shows, more than in the first shows, I doubt it will return.
I've been thinking a lot about the teleprompter, he kind of needed it for BIA which is weird after performing that song over 700 times. I have a feeling there's something wrong with MK, yes he's getting older but he's also getting more sentimental on a personal level, just listen to the last verse of Pale Imitation, there is something going on affecting his performances that we don't know about. But of course I could be completely wrong.
Still looking forward to Amsterdam!
I'm convinced too that there is more than meets the eye if you know what I mean?....I noted the large gulp of air during BIA...
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2019, 02:19:59 PM
Trapper Man and Back on the Dancefloor? :) Let's hope they will be included soon. It's ok for me if they keep changing all the songs from concert to concert. So i think TR and SB will return sometimes as well.
I thought he was really struggling with SB the last few shows, more than in the first shows, I doubt it will return.
I've been thinking a lot about the teleprompter, he kind of needed it for BIA which is weird after performing that song over 700 times. I have a feeling there's something wrong with MK, yes he's getting older but he's also getting more sentimental on a personal level, just listen to the last verse of Pale Imitation, there is something going on affecting his performances that we don't know about. But of course I could be completely wrong.
Still looking forward to Amsterdam!
I'm convinced too that there is more than meets the eye of you know what I mean....I noted the large gulp of air during BIA...
I also noted how slowly he entered the stage for BIA. Maybe we are "seeing" more than is actually there, but overall I feel a bit uneasy about the whole thing. Hope we are wrong.
Post by: PensaGhost on May 07, 2019, 02:24:03 PM
I demand that mark plays down to the waterline on bagpipes, euphonium, and tuba. If it doesn't happen I will find this completely unacceptable and will take his lack of pipe and brass lessons as a personal affront to me, I mean how dare he not dredge up a song from 40 years ago and do something that is beyond his current capabilities just for my personal pleasure.....
Anyone see what I did there? ;) ;D
playing TR and Silvertown is not beyond his personal capabilities , he played them few days ago,
if you can't see what's going on I am sorry for you
Post by: PensaGhost on May 07, 2019, 02:24:46 PM
man the first show setlist was great, we are going in the wrong directionstill, the man does not need your permission. also, is there truly nothing you would prefer to hear instrad of TR again? say.....TOL?
No TR and No Silvertown is unacceptable to me
he doesn't need my permission and the sky is blue
Post by: qjamesfloyd on May 07, 2019, 02:25:13 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on May 07, 2019, 02:26:27 PM
Brothers in Arms makes a lot good! But atleast they should have kept Silvertown... I really would love to hear that one live and they played it really nice 8).
I still think if it comes to Marks playing, the TR versions where really good this tour, yeah shorter end solo but with good and a lot of energy and he did some really nice licks.. atleast thats what I thought ;D. With BIA you hear him struggeling even much more in the end solo, the rest he played nicely :). So no idea where the choices come from :think.
Still I really like the setlist... if he dicides to really drop TR. Then atleast leave BIA and Silvertown in ;D. Or yeah OSAAT is ofcourse also welcome, but he could play that instead of postcards?! :think :lol
Exactly, TR is way better in this tour than the 2 previous ones, people saying TR is beyond his capabilities have no idea what they are talking about
Post by: PensaGhost on May 07, 2019, 02:28:44 PM
It's becoming a nightmare :disbelief
Only the 8th show and he kicks out SB and TR...
Variation is good but it can't be on the best tracks.
:thumbsup :thumbsup
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 02:29:57 PM
I think it is without doubt there is something wrong with his health, and more than just his back. He is not comfortable most of the time, and I still think there is something not right about the way his guitar sits on his body now, and it is not a bigger belly, it has been this size before. I hope it is nothing to serious, but with this being the last tour, you never know :(
Also, the words he said, jokingly, just before HFOH about his guitars - "I don't have long for them"! :-\
Post by: PensaGhost on May 07, 2019, 02:31:27 PM
Moan as much as you like please. We have made a point and a rule about "'moaning" a long time ago. Some people have just not the ability to stand the truth and call it negativity immediately as soon as a critical or let's just say.. A DIFFERENT THOUGHT is uttered. A forum without different opinions looses its right to exist, it's what a forum is made for. If those people who still live in their bubblegum world (and say Move on at every occasion as they want to avoid more discussion) can't stand different opinions, it's their problem, not yours. It's a question of maturity to handle different opinions. I totally get where you are coming from and agree to what you say as I know WHERE it is coming from and from what point of view. From a heart full of holes so to say.
LE
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2019, 02:32:00 PM
I think it is without doubt there is something wrong with his health, and more than just his back. He is not comfortable most of the time, and I still think there is something not right about the way his guitar sits on his body now, and it is not a bigger belly, it has been this size before. I hope it is nothing to serious, but with this being the last tour, you never know :(
He has the guitar strap higher up, which is much easier on your wrists and hands. You don't suddenly start having the guitar strap in a very different position after 40 years of playing unless you have to.
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2019, 02:33:31 PM
playing TR and Silvertown is not beyond his personal capabilities , he played them few days ago,
if you can't see what's going on I am sorry for you
OK, I'm dumb as dip. Please explain, like to a child, what's going on.
Post by: qjamesfloyd on May 07, 2019, 02:36:27 PM
Post by: PensaGhost on May 07, 2019, 02:38:53 PM
I think it is without doubt there is something wrong with his health, and more than just his back. He is not comfortable most of the time, and I still think there is something not right about the way his guitar sits on his body now, and it is not a bigger belly, it has been this size before. I hope it is nothing to serious, but with this being the last tour, you never know :(
He has the guitar strap higher up, which is much easier on your wrists and hands. You don't suddenly start having the guitar strap in a very different position after 40 years of playing unless you have to.
nothing wrong imo, just a bigger belly
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2019, 02:49:15 PM
I think it is without doubt there is something wrong with his health, and more than just his back. He is not comfortable most of the time, and I still think there is something not right about the way his guitar sits on his body now, and it is not a bigger belly, it has been this size before. I hope it is nothing to serious, but with this being the last tour, you never know :(
He has the guitar strap higher up, which is much easier on your wrists and hands. You don't suddenly start having the guitar strap in a very different position after 40 years of playing unless you have to.
nothing wrong imo, just a bigger belly
So a big belly is the reason for ... everything?
Post by: PensaGhost on May 07, 2019, 02:52:15 PM
I think it is without doubt there is something wrong with his health, and more than just his back. He is not comfortable most of the time, and I still think there is something not right about the way his guitar sits on his body now, and it is not a bigger belly, it has been this size before. I hope it is nothing to serious, but with this being the last tour, you never know :(
He has the guitar strap higher up, which is much easier on your wrists and hands. You don't suddenly start having the guitar strap in a very different position after 40 years of playing unless you have to.
nothing wrong imo, just a bigger belly
So a big belly is the reason for ... everything?
define 'everything'
Post by: Pottel on May 07, 2019, 02:56:54 PM
Agree. I thinkBrothers in Arms makes a lot good! But atleast they should have kept Silvertown... I really would love to hear that one live and they played it really nice 8).
I still think if it comes to Marks playing, the TR versions where really good this tour, yeah shorter end solo but with good and a lot of energy and he did some really nice licks.. atleast thats what I thought ;D. With BIA you hear him struggeling even much more in the end solo, the rest he played nicely :). So no idea where the choices come from :think.
Still I really like the setlist... if he dicides to really drop TR. Then atleast leave BIA and Silvertown in ;D. Or yeah OSAAT is ofcourse also welcome, but he could play that instead of postcards?! :think
Exactly, TR is way better in this tour than the 2 previous ones, people saying TR is beyond his capabilities have no idea what they are talking about
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Post by: hunter on May 07, 2019, 02:57:12 PM
I think it is without doubt there is something wrong with his health, and more than just his back. He is not comfortable most of the time, and I still think there is something not right about the way his guitar sits on his body now, and it is not a bigger belly, it has been this size before. I hope it is nothing to serious, but with this being the last tour, you never know :(
He has the guitar strap higher up, which is much easier on your wrists and hands. You don't suddenly start having the guitar strap in a very different position after 40 years of playing unless you have to.
nothing wrong imo, just a bigger belly
So a big belly is the reason for ... everything?
define 'everything'
The stiffness of his movements? His clearly lesser abilities on the guitar? The dropping of TR, SB, etc.?
Post by: Pottel on May 07, 2019, 02:59:42 PM
Come on Pottel. Had a bad day? The discussion is decent and pretty nicely going so far which is remarkable, so no reason to fire up things with such posts. Dude.Pls stay out of this LE. Der ton macht der musik datum geht es mir
LE
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Post by: qjamesfloyd on May 07, 2019, 03:00:19 PM
Post by: dmg on May 07, 2019, 03:01:42 PM
To be honest I fully expected Sultans to be dropped this time and I'm fine about that, but if TR is also dropped then there isn't really much left. I get the impression Mark doesn't want people like me at his shows (i.e. long-time loyal fans from DS days) - he really wants recent fans with little expectations on his playing ability but want to hear songs such as HFOH performed live.
Post by: 2manyguitars on May 07, 2019, 03:02:51 PM
I demand that mark plays down to the waterline on bagpipes, euphonium, and tuba. If it doesn't happen I will find this completely unacceptable and will take his lack of pipe and brass lessons as a personal affront to me, I mean how dare he not dredge up a song from 40 years ago and do something that is beyond his current capabilities just for my personal pleasure.....
Anyone see what I did there? ;) ;D
playing TR and Silvertown is not beyond his personal capabilities , he played them few days ago,
if you can't see what's going on I am sorry for you
The post was meant to be frivolous but You're missing the point. It is not up to us to tell mk what to play. He has always followed his own musical journey and always will. Please simply play what you want Mark, some will like it, some wont, but at least you'll be pleasing yourself, which is central to any true art.
Post by: PensaGhost on May 07, 2019, 03:04:49 PM
I think it is without doubt there is something wrong with his health, and more than just his back. He is not comfortable most of the time, and I still think there is something not right about the way his guitar sits on his body now, and it is not a bigger belly, it has been this size before. I hope it is nothing to serious, but with this being the last tour, you never know :(
He has the guitar strap higher up, which is much easier on your wrists and hands. You don't suddenly start having the guitar strap in a very different position after 40 years of playing unless you have to.
nothing wrong imo, just a bigger belly
So a big belly is the reason for ... everything?
define 'everything'
The stiffness of his movements? His clearly lesser abilities on the guitar? The dropping of TR, SB, etc.?
TR 2019 is much better than any 2015 or 2013 one, I don't hear any particular stiffness
he is just a little older and slower, sometimes he makes errors which is due only to the age, not to the song, he makes errors in any song, it's not due to the song being TR or SB
the big belly creates only a different guitar/strap position
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 03:04:56 PM
I'm pretty sure if he did have any serious condition his doctors would advise him not to go on such a gruelling tour. He could easily have called it a day or done a smaller scale tour. In saying that it was obvious from the outset that this was going to be very demanding for him and performances would suffer.
To be honest I fully expected Sultans to be dropped this time and I'm fine about that, but if TR is also dropped then there isn't really much left. I get the impression Mark doesn't want people like me at his shows (i.e. long-time loyal fans from DS days) - he really wants recent fans with little expectations on his playing ability but want to hear songs such as HFOH performed live.
You mean he doesn't want me? A fan of 36 years? ???
Post by: dmg on May 07, 2019, 03:07:28 PM
I'm pretty sure if he did have any serious condition his doctors would advise him not to go on such a gruelling tour. He could easily have called it a day or done a smaller scale tour. In saying that it was obvious from the outset that this was going to be very demanding for him and performances would suffer.
To be honest I fully expected Sultans to be dropped this time and I'm fine about that, but if TR is also dropped then there isn't really much left. I get the impression Mark doesn't want people like me at his shows (i.e. long-time loyal fans from DS days) - he really wants recent fans with little expectations on his playing ability but want to hear songs such as HFOH performed live.
You mean he doesn't want me? A fan of 36 years? ???
Nobody could ever not want you Val! :wave
Post by: PensaGhost on May 07, 2019, 03:09:25 PM
I demand that mark plays down to the waterline on bagpipes, euphonium, and tuba. If it doesn't happen I will find this completely unacceptable and will take his lack of pipe and brass lessons as a personal affront to me, I mean how dare he not dredge up a song from 40 years ago and do something that is beyond his current capabilities just for my personal pleasure.....
Anyone see what I did there? ;) ;D
playing TR and Silvertown is not beyond his personal capabilities , he played them few days ago,
if you can't see what's going on I am sorry for you
The post was meant to be frivolous but You're missing the point. It is not up to us to tell mk what to play. He has always followed his own musical journey and always will. Please simply play what you want Mark, some will like it, some wont, but at least you'll be pleasing yourself, which is central to any true art.
why not ? Some artists explicitly asked fans what they should play live
MK doesn't want to follow fans? it's his right, of course
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 03:10:40 PM
I'm pretty sure if he did have any serious condition his doctors would advise him not to go on such a gruelling tour. He could easily have called it a day or done a smaller scale tour. In saying that it was obvious from the outset that this was going to be very demanding for him and performances would suffer.
To be honest I fully expected Sultans to be dropped this time and I'm fine about that, but if TR is also dropped then there isn't really much left. I get the impression Mark doesn't want people like me at his shows (i.e. long-time loyal fans from DS days) - he really wants recent fans with little expectations on his playing ability but want to hear songs such as HFOH performed live.
You mean he doesn't want me? A fan of 36 years? ???
Nobody could ever not want you Val! :wave
Thank you! That's a weight off my mind! :)
Post by: jbaent on May 07, 2019, 03:12:57 PM
He wanted to do a last tour and he knew he was not able to play as usual so, first thing, bring sax and trumpet and a percussion full time to fill all the musical gaps and do less efforts, and second, reduce that effort as much as possible but having a competitive set.
Once Upon a time, your latest trick, on every street and Romeo and juliet are DS classic tracks, plus some of his classic solo tracks and other things never performed live would do it.
I usually have my complaints about the set, but I look at this tour with different eyes. It's the last tour he will give us, and he decided to give us a last despite he's not in the usual shape. So, thanks MK, thanks for one more tour and thanks for the two big surprises.
This tour is not one to be measured but to be treasured.
Post by: 2manyguitars on May 07, 2019, 03:13:26 PM
I demand that mark plays down to the waterline on bagpipes, euphonium, and tuba. If it doesn't happen I will find this completely unacceptable and will take his lack of pipe and brass lessons as a personal affront to me, I mean how dare he not dredge up a song from 40 years ago and do something that is beyond his current capabilities just for my personal pleasure.....
Anyone see what I did there? ;) ;D
playing TR and Silvertown is not beyond his personal capabilities , he played them few days ago,
if you can't see what's going on I am sorry for you
The post was meant to be frivolous but You're missing the point. It is not up to us to tell mk what to play. He has always followed his own musical journey and always will. Please simply play what you want Mark, some will like it, some wont, but at least you'll be pleasing yourself, which is central to any true art.
why not ? Some artists explicitly asked fans what they should play live
MK doesn't want to follow fans? it's his right, of course
Why not? Because he doesn't want to! You've answered your own question.
If you want an artist who will involve the fans in the way you state there are plenty of them out there. Please don't get me wrong, there's nothing at all wrong with that approach either, its just never been and never will be Marks way. To expect anything other than that really is just dreaming...
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2019, 03:13:39 PM
why not ? Some artists explicitly asked fans what they should play live
MK doesn't want to follow fans? it's his right, of course
For instance this guy, at 17:00:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVLkVKqB-FA&t=1063s
:)
(I had two tickets to this show, but couldn't go :( )
Post by: qjamesfloyd on May 07, 2019, 03:16:54 PM
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 03:19:21 PM
I think it's simpler than that...
He wanted to do a last tour and he knew he was not able to play as usual so, first thing, bring sax and trumpet and a percussion full time to fill all the musical gaps and do less efforts, and second, reduce that effort as much as possible but having a competitive set.
Once Upon a time, your latest trick, on every street and Romeo and juliet are DS classic tracks, plus some of his classic solo tracks and other things never performed live would do it.
I usually have my complaints about the set, but I look at this tour with different eyes. It's the last tour he will give us, and he decided to give us a last despite he's not in the usual shape. So, thanks MK, thanks for one more tour and thanks for the two big surprises.
This tour is not one to be measured but to be treasured.
It will definitely be treasured by me, jbaent! :)
Post by: 2manyguitars on May 07, 2019, 03:20:42 PM
Why would you want Mark to be like other artists? I like the fact that he is unique. If you want that then great, but Mark has never given the impression that he follows anyone, he does things his way, I just happen to like his way.
Nail on the head.
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 03:20:47 PM
I think it is without doubt there is something wrong with his health, and more than just his back. He is not comfortable most of the time, and I still think there is something not right about the way his guitar sits on his body now, and it is not a bigger belly, it has been this size before. I hope it is nothing to serious, but with this being the last tour, you never know :(
He has the guitar strap higher up, which is much easier on your wrists and hands. You don't suddenly start having the guitar strap in a very different position after 40 years of playing unless you have to.
nothing wrong imo, just a bigger belly
Nope.....
Post by: neco on May 07, 2019, 03:22:54 PM
Guitar playing is not about how long a solo lasts or how fast it goes. Just listen to Why aye man at minute 6:40 onwards... amazing and just unique knopfler playing. Besides that, this years version of WAM sounds phenomenal!
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 03:23:17 PM
I'm pretty sure if he did have any serious condition his doctors would advise him not to go on such a gruelling tour. He could easily have called it a day or done a smaller scale tour. In saying that it was obvious from the outset that this was going to be very demanding for him and performances would suffer.
To be honest I fully expected Sultans to be dropped this time and I'm fine about that, but if TR is also dropped then there isn't really much left. I get the impression Mark doesn't want people like me at his shows (i.e. long-time loyal fans from DS days) - he really wants recent fans with little expectations on his playing ability but want to hear songs such as HFOH performed live.
You mean he doesn't want me? A fan of 36 years? ???
36 Years, is that all!!!!!! :wave :wave
*Mind you I'm only one year behind you!!
Post by: dvschend on May 07, 2019, 03:28:57 PM
I'm pretty sure if he did have any serious condition his doctors would advise him not to go on such a gruelling tour. He could easily have called it a day or done a smaller scale tour. In saying that it was obvious from the outset that this was going to be very demanding for him and performances would suffer.
To be honest I fully expected Sultans to be dropped this time and I'm fine about that, but if TR is also dropped then there isn't really much left. I get the impression Mark doesn't want people like me at his shows (i.e. long-time loyal fans from DS days) - he really wants recent fans with little expectations on his playing ability but want to hear songs such as HFOH performed live.
You mean he doesn't want me? A fan of 36 years? ???
36 Years, is that all!!!!!! :wave :wave
*Mind you I'm only one year behind you!!
According to my mom I was dancing to Sultans at the age of 2 and I'll become 42 next month. So I win this race ;D ;D
Post by: qjamesfloyd on May 07, 2019, 03:31:11 PM
Post by: jbaent on May 07, 2019, 03:34:21 PM
I think it's simpler than that...
He wanted to do a last tour and he knew he was not able to play as usual so, first thing, bring sax and trumpet and a percussion full time to fill all the musical gaps and do less efforts, and second, reduce that effort as much as possible but having a competitive set.
Once Upon a time, your latest trick, on every street and Romeo and juliet are DS classic tracks, plus some of his classic solo tracks and other things never performed live would do it.
I usually have my complaints about the set, but I look at this tour with different eyes. It's the last tour he will give us, and he decided to give us a last despite he's not in the usual shape. So, thanks MK, thanks for one more tour and thanks for the two big surprises.
This tour is not one to be measured but to be treasured.
It will definitely be treasured by me, jbaent! :)
Lot of people still don't get it.
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 03:35:06 PM
I'm pretty sure if he did have any serious condition his doctors would advise him not to go on such a gruelling tour. He could easily have called it a day or done a smaller scale tour. In saying that it was obvious from the outset that this was going to be very demanding for him and performances would suffer.
To be honest I fully expected Sultans to be dropped this time and I'm fine about that, but if TR is also dropped then there isn't really much left. I get the impression Mark doesn't want people like me at his shows (i.e. long-time loyal fans from DS days) - he really wants recent fans with little expectations on his playing ability but want to hear songs such as HFOH performed live.
You mean he doesn't want me? A fan of 36 years? ???
36 Years, is that all!!!!!! :wave :wave
*Mind you I'm only one year behind you!!
According to my mom I was dancing to Sultans at the age of 2 and I'll become 42 next month. So I win this race ;D ;D
But how many 'Proper' years have you been following MK???
I was 10 (1985) when I discovered MK whilst learning the guitar at School....The rest is history!!!
Post by: dvschend on May 07, 2019, 03:36:58 PM
I'm pretty sure if he did have any serious condition his doctors would advise him not to go on such a gruelling tour. He could easily have called it a day or done a smaller scale tour. In saying that it was obvious from the outset that this was going to be very demanding for him and performances would suffer.
To be honest I fully expected Sultans to be dropped this time and I'm fine about that, but if TR is also dropped then there isn't really much left. I get the impression Mark doesn't want people like me at his shows (i.e. long-time loyal fans from DS days) - he really wants recent fans with little expectations on his playing ability but want to hear songs such as HFOH performed live.
You mean he doesn't want me? A fan of 36 years? ???
36 Years, is that all!!!!!! :wave :wave
*Mind you I'm only one year behind you!!
According to my mom I was dancing to Sultans at the age of 2 and I'll become 42 next month. So I win this race ;D ;D
But how many 'Proper' years have you been following MK???
I was 10 when I discovered MK whilst learning the guitar at School....The rest is history!!!
Also since the age of 2. 3 for U2 ;D
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 03:37:37 PM
I'm pretty sure if he did have any serious condition his doctors would advise him not to go on such a gruelling tour. He could easily have called it a day or done a smaller scale tour. In saying that it was obvious from the outset that this was going to be very demanding for him and performances would suffer.
To be honest I fully expected Sultans to be dropped this time and I'm fine about that, but if TR is also dropped then there isn't really much left. I get the impression Mark doesn't want people like me at his shows (i.e. long-time loyal fans from DS days) - he really wants recent fans with little expectations on his playing ability but want to hear songs such as HFOH performed live.
You mean he doesn't want me? A fan of 36 years? ???
36 Years, is that all!!!!!! :wave :wave
*Mind you I'm only one year behind you!!
According to my mom I was dancing to Sultans at the age of 2 and I'll become 42 next month. So I win this race ;D ;D
But how many 'Proper' years have you been following MK???
I was 10 when I discovered MK whilst learning the guitar at School....The rest is history!!!
Also since the age of 2. 3 for U2 ;D
:smack :smack :smack :smack :smack :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Post by: Robson on May 07, 2019, 03:46:30 PM
Why would you want Mark to be like other artists? I like the fact that he is unique. If you want that then great, but Mark has never given the impression that he follows anyone, he does things his way, I just happen to like his way.
And this is the essence. I think the same.
Post by: PensaGhost on May 07, 2019, 03:46:49 PM
I demand that mark plays down to the waterline on bagpipes, euphonium, and tuba. If it doesn't happen I will find this completely unacceptable and will take his lack of pipe and brass lessons as a personal affront to me, I mean how dare he not dredge up a song from 40 years ago and do something that is beyond his current capabilities just for my personal pleasure.....
Anyone see what I did there? ;) ;D
playing TR and Silvertown is not beyond his personal capabilities , he played them few days ago,
if you can't see what's going on I am sorry for you
The post was meant to be frivolous but You're missing the point. It is not up to us to tell mk what to play. He has always followed his own musical journey and always will. Please simply play what you want Mark, some will like it, some wont, but at least you'll be pleasing yourself, which is central to any true art.
why not ? Some artists explicitly asked fans what they should play live
MK doesn't want to follow fans? it's his right, of course
Why not? Because he doesn't want to! You've answered your own question.
If you want an artist who will involve the fans in the way you state there are plenty of them out there. Please don't get me wrong, there's nothing at all wrong with that approach either, its just never been and never will be Marks way. To expect anything other than that really is just dreaming...
infact I don't know why you are answering, I never asked MK to play the songs I want, I am only writing in a forum
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 03:46:59 PM
https://youtu.be/yJ2fZKOSKhE
Guitar playing is not about how long a solo lasts or how fast it goes. Just listen to Why aye man at minute 6:40 onwards... amazing and just unique knopfler playing. Besides that, this years version of WAM sounds phenomenal!
Wonderful! :clap
Post by: 2manyguitars on May 07, 2019, 03:54:30 PM
I demand that mark plays down to the waterline on bagpipes, euphonium, and tuba. If it doesn't happen I will find this completely unacceptable and will take his lack of pipe and brass lessons as a personal affront to me, I mean how dare he not dredge up a song from 40 years ago and do something that is beyond his current capabilities just for my personal pleasure.....
Anyone see what I did there? ;) ;D
playing TR and Silvertown is not beyond his personal capabilities , he played them few days ago,
if you can't see what's going on I am sorry for you
The post was meant to be frivolous but You're missing the point. It is not up to us to tell mk what to play. He has always followed his own musical journey and always will. Please simply play what you want Mark, some will like it, some wont, but at least you'll be pleasing yourself, which is central to any true art.
why not ? Some artists explicitly asked fans what they should play live
MK doesn't want to follow fans? it's his right, of course
Why not? Because he doesn't want to! You've answered your own question.
If you want an artist who will involve the fans in the way you state there are plenty of them out there. Please don't get me wrong, there's nothing at all wrong with that approach either, its just never been and never will be Marks way. To expect anything other than that really is just dreaming...
infact I don't know why you are answering, I never asked MK to play the songs I want, I am only writing in a forum
Sorry, just thought what I wrote was directly relevant to your comment -
'why not ? Some artists explicitly asked fans what they should play live'
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 04:01:41 PM
I'm pretty sure if he did have any serious condition his doctors would advise him not to go on such a gruelling tour. He could easily have called it a day or done a smaller scale tour. In saying that it was obvious from the outset that this was going to be very demanding for him and performances would suffer.
To be honest I fully expected Sultans to be dropped this time and I'm fine about that, but if TR is also dropped then there isn't really much left. I get the impression Mark doesn't want people like me at his shows (i.e. long-time loyal fans from DS days) - he really wants recent fans with little expectations on his playing ability but want to hear songs such as HFOH performed live.
You mean he doesn't want me? A fan of 36 years? ???
36 Years, is that all!!!!!! :wave :wave
*Mind you I'm only one year behind you!!
According to my mom I was dancing to Sultans at the age of 2 and I'll become 42 next month. So I win this race ;D ;D
But how many 'Proper' years have you been following MK???
I was 10 when I discovered MK whilst learning the guitar at School....The rest is history!!!
Also since the age of 2. 3 for U2 ;D
Since 40! ;D
Post by: cannibals on May 07, 2019, 04:07:15 PM
Post by: Silvertown on May 07, 2019, 04:22:17 PM
Post by: Robson on May 07, 2019, 04:58:21 PM
Another truth. In my opinion.
Post by: Why Aye Man on May 07, 2019, 05:04:00 PM
https://youtu.be/yJ2fZKOSKhE
Guitar playing is not about how long a solo lasts or how fast it goes. Just listen to Why aye man at minute 6:40 onwards... amazing and just unique knopfler playing. Besides that, this years version of WAM sounds phenomenal!
Not sure if many people know but at 1:04 MK plays the licks for the Blaydon Races, a famous song in Newcastle which is sung at the St James' Park. He has done this each time he has played WAM so far this tour and as a geordie myself, I really appreciate this part.
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 05:07:16 PM
https://youtu.be/yJ2fZKOSKhE
Guitar playing is not about how long a solo lasts or how fast it goes. Just listen to Why aye man at minute 6:40 onwards... amazing and just unique knopfler playing. Besides that, this years version of WAM sounds phenomenal!
Not sure if many people know but at 1:04 MK plays the licks for the Blaydon Races, a famous song in Newcastle which is sung at the St James' Park. He has done this each time he has played WAM so far this tour and as a geordie myself, I really appreciate this part.
I noticed! Very nice. :thumbsup
Post by: dmg on May 07, 2019, 05:23:08 PM
Post by: primi on May 07, 2019, 05:26:56 PM
Notice at 4:26 how he exhales. To me that screams "oh dear, I think I made it through this solo again" and/or "now, just let me survive this one last lick"I'd like to make a point with those claiming I've been moaning recently. I have actually been opening my heart to you with many emotions going through me right now. Some frustration, anger but probably sadness most of all. I think we're all in the same boat on here but some express ourselves differently for various reasons. I just want our man to go out with the bang he deserves and not go out with a whimper playing songs like MM, Bonaparte, Postcards, NDT and HFOH. To be honest most competent artists could do these with this band. Mark is worthy of so much more and the gems he has removed means there is very little left to the shows. Can any Knopfler fan really be happy at him going out like this? If he had done a tour of a dozen dates would he have dropped all these songs? This would've been the best option for him.
I understand where you're coming from, and there's nothing more I'd like to see than Mark go out with a bang, playing the old hits with vigor and energy. But apparently he is not able to. After playing a good 90 minutes, his hands are tired. Even slow BIA was a piece of work for him last night. So echoing the words of others here, it is what it is. It's honest and emotional and heartfelt, and we really can't ask for more.
https://youtu.be/26Y7Z47SuWI?t=265
Post by: Jasper90 on May 07, 2019, 05:28:46 PM
Wow also a very nice/awesome version! Mark is in good shape 8) :clap
WAM too ;D
Post by: Jasper90 on May 07, 2019, 05:42:43 PM
This one too! Very nice :clap
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 05:46:54 PM
Notice at 4:26 how he exhales. To me that screams "oh dear, I think I made it through this solo again" and/or "now, just let me survive this one last lick"I'd like to make a point with those claiming I've been moaning recently. I have actually been opening my heart to you with many emotions going through me right now. Some frustration, anger but probably sadness most of all. I think we're all in the same boat on here but some express ourselves differently for various reasons. I just want our man to go out with the bang he deserves and not go out with a whimper playing songs like MM, Bonaparte, Postcards, NDT and HFOH. To be honest most competent artists could do these with this band. Mark is worthy of so much more and the gems he has removed means there is very little left to the shows. Can any Knopfler fan really be happy at him going out like this? If he had done a tour of a dozen dates would he have dropped all these songs? This would've been the best option for him.
I understand where you're coming from, and there's nothing more I'd like to see than Mark go out with a bang, playing the old hits with vigor and energy. But apparently he is not able to. After playing a good 90 minutes, his hands are tired. Even slow BIA was a piece of work for him last night. So echoing the words of others here, it is what it is. It's honest and emotional and heartfelt, and we really can't ask for more.
https://youtu.be/26Y7Z47SuWI?t=265
That's what I picked up earlier in the thread, doesn't look good...
Post by: dmg on May 07, 2019, 05:47:11 PM
Post by: Robson on May 07, 2019, 05:47:19 PM
Post by: jbaent on May 07, 2019, 05:50:15 PM
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 05:51:23 PM
https://youtu.be/yJ2fZKOSKhE
Guitar playing is not about how long a solo lasts or how fast it goes. Just listen to Why aye man at minute 6:40 onwards... amazing and just unique knopfler playing. Besides that, this years version of WAM sounds phenomenal!
Not sure if many people know but at 1:04 MK plays the licks for the Blaydon Races, a famous song in Newcastle which is sung at the St James' Park. He has done this each time he has played WAM so far this tour and as a geordie myself, I really appreciate this part.
And very nice it is too.....
Post by: Robson on May 07, 2019, 05:53:18 PM
Post by: dmg on May 07, 2019, 05:55:32 PM
Maybe it was just hot.
Or...all these vineyards and I'm stuck in here playing tunes! :lol
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 05:57:39 PM
Maybe it was just hot.
Or...all these vineyards and I'm stuck in here playing tunes! :lol
Or here we go again!!!
Post by: superval99 on May 07, 2019, 05:58:55 PM
Best version of OUATITW so far. Knew there was more to come with this and it's only going to get better as the tour progresses.
Fantastic! :clap
Post by: Dutchessy on May 07, 2019, 06:05:05 PM
Just fantastic! :clap
Post by: Silvertown on May 07, 2019, 06:06:21 PM
Maybe it was just hot.
Or...all these vineyards and I'm stuck in here playing tunes! :lol
Or here we go again!!!
But most likely: What on earth they writing on AMIT right now?
Post by: qjamesfloyd on May 07, 2019, 06:07:09 PM
Post by: Knopflerfan on May 07, 2019, 06:07:25 PM
Maybe it was just hot.
Or...all these vineyards and I'm stuck in here playing tunes! :lol
Or here we go again!!!
But most likely: What on earth they writing on AMIT right now?
Hahaha!!
Post by: Jasper90 on May 07, 2019, 07:04:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyF247raeL4
Just fantastic! :clap
Also fantastic indeed! :)
What a good show, all good versions :clap
Post by: dmg on May 07, 2019, 07:09:25 PM
Post by: Robson on May 07, 2019, 07:23:56 PM
Post by: the visitor on May 07, 2019, 10:37:55 PM
https://youtu.be/FN5-Z4p8Keg
Wow also a very nice/awesome version! Mark is in good shape 8) :clap
WAM too ;D
I've bought a ticket to a date on this tour off the back of this addition to the set list. To think this song would ever make a return 18 months ago would have been out of the question. Phenomenal.
Listened to BIA from this gig and it has aged well. This isn't 1988 anymore and the bluesy feel suits this song well. Tone of the guitar is perfect to my ears.
MK like all of us is getting older, with whatever that brings. I dont think I could manage a 90 minute set almost every other day and I'm nowhere near his age.
Any more surprises Mark? Wild West End, Six Blade Knife , Iron Hand ? Good work Grandad
Post by: Fletch on May 08, 2019, 01:41:29 AM
Any more surprises Mark? Wild West End, Six Blade Knife , Iron Hand ? Good work Grandad
Indeed. Perhaps TOL on Sept 22?
Amongst all these posts, someone said that Guy says they have more stuff rehearsed? It doesn't seem hard to imagine that MK knows he has the chance to mix things up, but also has to deliver a cohesive show - far from a whimper,MK is going out exactly as he wishes. Boo to all of you who just want the 'static' setlist of your own personal choice :)
(just kidding, i hope the concerts you attend are memorable -& just remember- without the internet you would not even have to worry about missing Silvertown or whatever, you'd just buy the bootleg one day... 1st world problems etc)
Post by: Love Expresso on May 08, 2019, 08:23:53 AM
... is what Guy wrote. Could as well mean songs like Hill Farmer's Blues, Privateering or Marbletown to "keep them fresh". And that could mean that they DO NOT plan to play them during the next shows. I imagine they really still don't know what could be the set list in the second half of the tour. It's like checking expiry dates in your fridge..
LE
Post by: hunter on May 08, 2019, 08:56:13 AM
"Sound check was lengthy as we wanted to run a few things we’re not currently playing in the set, to keep them fresh."
And that could mean that they DO NOT plan to play them during the next shows. I imagine they really still don't know what could be the set list in the second half of the tour. It's like checking expiry dates in your fridge..
LE
What's the problem? They have maybe another 5-10 songs that are not being played now, but MAY be played later if Mark feels like it. So to be prepared, they play them now and then at soundchecks.
Post by: qjamesfloyd on May 08, 2019, 09:28:24 AM
Post by: Love Expresso on May 08, 2019, 10:44:16 AM
Quote from: hunter link=topic=6832.msg140080#msg14008u0 date=1557298573
"Sound check was lengthy as we wanted to run a few things we’re not currently playing in the set, to keep them fresh."
And that could mean that they DO NOT plan to play them during the next shows. I imagine they really still don't know what could be the set list in the second half of the tour. It's like checking expiry dates in your fridge..
LE
What's the problem? They have maybe another 5-10 songs that are not being played now, but MAY be played later if Mark feels like it. So to be prepared, they play them now and then at soundchecks.
No problem at all. Several members quoted Guy and made different interpretations of it, expecting new songs for example. I just stated that it could be old material that they refreshed, that's all. OK with you?
LE
Post by: hunter on May 08, 2019, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: hunter link=topic=6832.msg140080#msg14008u0 date=1557298573"Sound check was lengthy as we wanted to run a few things we’re not currently playing in the set, to keep them fresh."
And that could mean that they DO NOT plan to play them during the next shows. I imagine they really still don't know what could be the set list in the second half of the tour. It's like checking expiry dates in your fridge..
LE
What's the problem? They have maybe another 5-10 songs that are not being played now, but MAY be played later if Mark feels like it. So to be prepared, they play them now and then at soundchecks.
No problem at all. Several members quoted Guy and made different interpretations of it, expecting new songs for example. I just stated that it could be old material that they refreshed, that's all. OK with you?
LE
Perfectly OK. I may have misunderstood you, but I just felt you interpreted Guy's statement in the most negative way possible. My apologies for being mistaken.
Post by: dona74 on May 08, 2019, 12:51:56 PM
I think it's simpler than that...
He wanted to do a last tour and he knew he was not able to play as usual so, first thing, bring sax and trumpet and a percussion full time to fill all the musical gaps and do less efforts, and second, reduce that effort as much as possible but having a competitive set.
Once Upon a time, your latest trick, on every street and Romeo and juliet are DS classic tracks, plus some of his classic solo tracks and other things never performed live would do it.
I usually have my complaints about the set, but I look at this tour with different eyes. It's the last tour he will give us, and he decided to give us a last despite he's not in the usual shape. So, thanks MK, thanks for one more tour and thanks for the two big surprises.
This tour is not one to be measured but to be treasured.
Totally totally totally agreed....
I was in Lisbon and i have thought exactly "This tour is not one to be measured but to be treasured"
I would have a lot of complaints... but it's nonsense to me, after I've seen with my eyes this magnificent old hero...
He can't stop time passing... no tragedies, only love for him.
Post by: tngemini on May 08, 2019, 02:24:50 PM
Post by: dmg on May 08, 2019, 02:40:12 PM
"Sound check was lengthy as we wanted to run a few things we’re not currently playing in the set, to keep them fresh."
... is what Guy wrote. Could as well mean songs like Hill Farmer's Blues, Privateering or Marbletown to "keep them fresh". And that could mean that they DO NOT plan to play them during the next shows. I imagine they really still don't know what could be the set list in the second half of the tour. It's like checking expiry dates in your fridge..
LE
Net result was that Mark decided to drop a new song from the set.
"Setting me up
to put me down..."
Post by: ds1984 on May 09, 2019, 11:55:29 PM
And sound quality was FA-BU-LOUS - congrats to the Arkea Arena !
Post by: Jasper90 on May 10, 2019, 09:20:00 AM
Bordeaux being my personal follow up concert after Barcelona, that one provided Mark in better shape than the opening night.
And sound quality was FA-BU-LOUS - congrats to the Arkea Arena !
Cool that the sound was so good, I‘m curious, because they have a whole new PA system. As I understood from the dairy from Guy.
Congrats to the Sound Technicians/crew of Mark, the Arena or the people from the (almost every) Arean have nothing to do with it in almost all events :)
Post by: ds1984 on May 10, 2019, 11:24:29 PM
Bordeaux being my personal follow up concert after Barcelona, that one provided Mark in better shape than the opening night.
And sound quality was FA-BU-LOUS - congrats to the Arkea Arena !
Cool that the sound was so good, I‘m curious, because they have a whole new PA system. As I understood from the dairy from Guy.
Congrats to the Sound Technicians/crew of Mark, the Arena or the people from the (almost every) Arean have nothing to do with it in almost all events :)
The Sound Technicians/crew of Mark and PA were the same in Barcelona and Bordeaux but not he sound. The difference : the natural acoustic of the venue.
Post by: 2manyguitars on May 10, 2019, 11:32:12 PM
Post by: Pottel on June 07, 2019, 06:49:31 PM
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Post by: holaknopfler on June 07, 2019, 07:01:22 PM
Not sure what the whole hype with BIA in Bordeaux is all about. I hear a standard version, in , admittedly, good sound. Deffo not the best live BIA version in ages. That to me remains the 2001 toronto one
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toronto 2001 is a brilliant gig
Post by: Pottel on June 07, 2019, 07:08:54 PM
The STP on that one is out of this world...Not sure what the whole hype with BIA in Bordeaux is all about. I hear a standard version, in , admittedly, good sound. Deffo not the best live BIA version in ages. That to me remains the 2001 toronto one
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Post by: superval99 on June 07, 2019, 07:29:36 PM
Not sure what the whole hype with BIA in Bordeaux is all about. I hear a standard version, in , admittedly, good sound. Deffo not the best live BIA version in ages. That to me remains the 2001 toronto one
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My favourite BIA's - 2001 Toronto also RAH 23rd May 1996.
Post by: jbaent on June 07, 2019, 07:35:18 PM
Not sure what the whole hype with BIA in Bordeaux is all about. I hear a standard version, in , admittedly, good sound. Deffo not the best live BIA version in ages. That to me remains the 2001 toronto one
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Maybe in bourdeux it was the first time he played bia this tour?
Post by: Pottel on June 07, 2019, 07:39:14 PM
That does not make the performance any better.Not sure what the whole hype with BIA in Bordeaux is all about. I hear a standard version, in , admittedly, good sound. Deffo not the best live BIA version in ages. That to me remains the 2001 toronto one
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Maybe in bourdeux it was the first time he played bia this tour?
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Post by: Pottel on June 07, 2019, 07:40:08 PM
WordNot sure what the whole hype with BIA in Bordeaux is all about. I hear a standard version, in , admittedly, good sound. Deffo not the best live BIA version in ages. That to me remains the 2001 toronto one
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My favourite BIA's - 2001 Toronto also RAH 23rd May 1996.
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Post by: jbaent on June 07, 2019, 07:41:12 PM
That does not make the performance any better.Not sure what the whole hype with BIA in Bordeaux is all about. I hear a standard version, in , admittedly, good sound. Deffo not the best live BIA version in ages. That to me remains the 2001 toronto one
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Maybe in bourdeux it was the first time he played bia this tour?
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Agree.
But maybe that's what it was so special for some fans.
Post by: herlock on June 08, 2019, 10:50:59 AM
In 1996/2001 the guitar playing was top notch, but the pace of the song was just too slow for my taste. This song is emotional, yet needs a certain speed to convey it in my view.
In 2005/2013 the pace was right, the arrangements were good, but the lack of intro and synth was really a pity.
Starting 2008 the cittern was a good addition, it fits the song.
Now in 2015/2019 we get the right arrangments, the intro, and sometimes (like in Bordeaux) a decent playing with not too many mistakes, even if the end solo is not "crying" as it used to. That's enough to make it, if not the best ever, at least very touching and enjoyable.
For best ever I think we need to go all the way back to 1985. OES tour versions are great, but the pensa is the wrong guitar. This song really needs the Les Paul to cry ! And I can't stand this pedal steel guitar on it, sorry Paul Franklin, good fellow as he is.
Everybody says Mandela version is best, it is great of course, but still, this pensa guitar... no !
The one that really blows my mind out is Wembley 85. Right guitar, right pace, right arrangements (yes, the 80's synth is a bit cheesy, but I love cheese :) ), full of energy, and rocking ending (thank you we love you !), never heard since. Sydney 86 sounds tired, standard and with mistakes in comparison. Sometimes the best versions are the first ones !
So, 1985 all the way for best ever. But considering we are not in 1985 anymore, 2019 is really great to have, and Bordeaux as the first one of the tour is a fine (wine) one ! :)
Post by: dmg on June 08, 2019, 03:01:33 PM
In 2015/2019, yes the end solo is shorter and less powerful. But the end solo is not everything about that song.
In 1996/2001 the guitar playing was top notch, but the pace of the song was just too slow for my taste. This song is emotional, yet needs a certain speed to convey it in my view.
In 2005/2013 the pace was right, the arrangements were good, but the lack of intro and synth was really a pity.
Starting 2008 the cittern was a good addition, it fits the song.
Now in 2015/2019 we get the right arrangments, the intro, and sometimes (like in Bordeaux) a decent playing with not too many mistakes, even if the end solo is not "crying" as it used to. That's enough to make it, if not the best ever, at least very touching and enjoyable.
For best ever I think we need to go all the way back to 1985. OES tour versions are great, but the pensa is the wrong guitar. This song really needs the Les Paul to cry ! And I can't stand this pedal steel guitar on it, sorry Paul Franklin, good fellow as he is.
Everybody says Mandela version is best, it is great of course, but still, this pensa guitar... no !
The one that really blows my mind out is Wembley 85. Right guitar, right pace, right arrangements (yes, the 80's synth is a bit cheesy, but I love cheese :) ), full of energy, and rocking ending (thank you we love you !), never heard since. Sydney 86 sounds tired, standard and with mistakes in comparison. Sometimes the best versions are the first ones !
So, 1985 all the way for best ever. But considering we are not in 1985 anymore, 2019 is really great to have, and Bordeaux as the first one of the tour is a fine (wine) one ! :)
Shock, horror! I agree with everything said in your post. Nothing more to add.
Post by: quizzaciously on June 08, 2019, 03:19:53 PM
In 2015/2019, yes the end solo is shorter and less powerful. But the end solo is not everything about that song.
In 1996/2001 the guitar playing was top notch, but the pace of the song was just too slow for my taste. This song is emotional, yet needs a certain speed to convey it in my view.
In 2005/2013 the pace was right, the arrangements were good, but the lack of intro and synth was really a pity.
Starting 2008 the cittern was a good addition, it fits the song.
Now in 2015/2019 we get the right arrangments, the intro, and sometimes (like in Bordeaux) a decent playing with not too many mistakes, even if the end solo is not "crying" as it used to. That's enough to make it, if not the best ever, at least very touching and enjoyable.
For best ever I think we need to go all the way back to 1985. OES tour versions are great, but the pensa is the wrong guitar. This song really needs the Les Paul to cry ! And I can't stand this pedal steel guitar on it, sorry Paul Franklin, good fellow as he is.
Everybody says Mandela version is best, it is great of course, but still, this pensa guitar... no !
The one that really blows my mind out is Wembley 85. Right guitar, right pace, right arrangements (yes, the 80's synth is a bit cheesy, but I love cheese :) ), full of energy, and rocking ending (thank you we love you !), never heard since. Sydney 86 sounds tired, standard and with mistakes in comparison. Sometimes the best versions are the first ones !
So, 1985 all the way for best ever. But considering we are not in 1985 anymore, 2019 is really great to have, and Bordeaux as the first one of the tour is a fine (wine) one ! :)
Shock, horror! I agree with everything said in your post. Nothing more to add.
A very objective and good analysis from a man who actually sees more colors than black and white :clap