A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: panzerdriver on January 27, 2012, 09:42:31 PM
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Okay, through whatever problem caused my being dropped **AGAIN** out of the system, I am now panzerdriver (don't ask). Everybody here who knows me knows me as Jacki or jcser. So I'm back....
Now to business. It was announced on MSN that MK and Bob are DEFINITELY going to be doing a tour in the US this year. Am I being incredibly redundant and out-of-the-loop or has this been discussed already? I am not above being so numb to events that this announcement, given by Guy or someone else, went right by me. So does anybody know for sure? Is there any kind of a schedule yet? Venues? Someone be kind to a vague old lady and drop a few words here please. :P
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Hi Jacki, jcser, panzerdriver or whatever - welcome back! It's great to have you here again! :D
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Hey, interesting nickname! What's the story behind it? Hehe :-*
Nothing official yet about the Bob & Mark US summer tour 2012. I hope they won't do it... First, I couldn't go the US and see them, second, I saw them twice last year and Number three it would delay the release of MK's new album... So please, not another Mark & Bob tour. New album instead, please!
LE
(two more posts and I reach my year of birth - coooool)
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This is what Panzerdriver is referring to...http://music.msn.com/2012-new-music-guide-major-tours/photo-gallery/feature/?photoidx=5 (http://music.msn.com/2012-new-music-guide-major-tours/photo-gallery/feature/?photoidx=5). Not sure how something like this would appear on a site like MSN with no validity to it..but one never knows.
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Okay, through whatever problem caused my being dropped **AGAIN** out of the system, I am now panzerdriver (don't ask). Everybody here who knows me knows me as Jacki or jcser. So I'm back....
But..but...your two original accounts are still here: :)
http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=26
http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=660
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Hey, interesting nickname! What's the story behind it? Hehe :-*
Nothing official yet about the Bob & Mark US summer tour 2012. I hope they won't do it... First, I couldn't go the US and see them, second, I saw them twice last year and Number three it would delay the release of MK's new album... So please, not another Mark & Bob tour. New album instead, please!
LE
(two more posts and I reach my year of birth - coooool)
LE, how could you say something soo unfair like that :D We want a share of the experience you guys had with MK/BD. I'm soo excited already if the news is true. The new album can wait. ;D
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i would be happy to get another shitload of recordings, even if i would not be able to go see them. the album WILL come some day and a tour WILL follow, so why the fuzz, as long as my man is on a stage i do not care. and the advantage with Dylan is that he is not predictable as MK is and that will force him to come out of the safe zone. cool....
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If this proves to be true (which may take a while to get the 'official' announcement)..I don't see why it would delay the release of the new album..the album should be just about finished by now. If anything..they may decide to step up the release date to coincide with the summer tour..if there is one.
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You're all right of course. I am happy for the US people who weren't able to participate the last tour. And Pottel, touring with Bob is better of course than doing nothing, you are right. Whereas I am not so sure if MK really came out of his comfort zone last time... But as long as the quality of his show will increasing like it did at the last little tour, it will be fine with me. It seems I was in a "funny" mood yesterday evening... :lol :lol :lol (How comes....)
LE
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But..but...your two original accounts are still here:
http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=26
http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=660
Dan - as you've probably heard me say a few times, I'm woefully inept at puters...and for whatever reason, the last time I tried one of the other accounts (and of course I had forgotten my password), I could not access the 'Forgot your password?' feature...so in frustration (because I really wanted news) I started ANOTHER account. Getting to be a clutterbug in my dotage! :-\
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Dan I have a similar problem. I am just lucky that my password is saved by the computer I use. I can only post from this computer only! Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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I think this tour will happen. The Europe tour was a big success and MK and BD clearly enjoyed it. Because Bob likes breaks between shows, it could take a long time to cover the US! Perhaps MK will have to go South, where he doesn't usually play.
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I don't know how much success has anything to do with it. The venues, I've heard, were not packed, and there was too much going after Knopfler part and coming fr the Dylan show. And a lot of people preferred missing Dylan, no matter if Knopfler played. At least that is what I understood. I guess Knopfler and Dylan fans are not that compatible.
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I don't know how much success has anything to do with it. The venues, I've heard, were not packed, and there was too much going after Knopfler part and coming fr the Dylan show. And a lot of people preferred missing Dylan, no matter if Knopfler played. At least that is what I understood. I guess Knopfler and Dylan fans are not that compatible.
Sounds a bit strange to me that people who are Knopfler fans rush out of the concert venue only to avoid hearing Dylan on stage, even though they might miss a duet or two. What's the hurry? How bad can it be? It is still Dylan, so if I got the chance, even though I don't know his music that much, I would definitely cancel all other plans that night and give it a shot. He is one of Mark's inspirations..
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VGONIS2002 and panzerdriver: I will try to recreate the issues you are experiencing, but they sound like separate issues. SMF is certainly not perfect software, but I'm kind of surprised at this. This is the first time I'm hearing of a major issue with logging in.
Anyway, I have a vested interest a US tour and I really hope it happens. The thought of seeing MK this summer is amazing, although the thought of listening to BD again at ear piercing volume is...... :-X
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I wonder when we can expect to hear official news about this? I am dying to see MK play live again and hope I don't have to wait until 2013. If it turns out he isn't touring with the new album until next year, then I'll gladly see him with BD (Old Croaky) this year.
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Dan, I am not surprised at your reaction towards BD live output. I try to understand those who like it, by comparing him to the equivalent to classical music: early medieval music. ;) Bob Dylan dropped by Greece a couple of years ago, I didn't even think of going to see him. Another factor that put me off, was that most of the people I knew that they were going, were actually going to see the legend before it's too late, and be able to say that they have seen him. But I just don't get this attitude. What's more I am not ready to pay 50-150 Euros for any open 10000-20000 people gig, and just watch the act from 500 meters away or from a screen. It is no good. I understand that it is a matter of supply and demand, but this can't explain the price.
That is why I say, that the experiment and the results were interesting and unique, but I would like to see MK solo and alone, playing for the usual 2 hour bill.
As for the problem I experience while trying to log on from another computer, is the same as panzerdriver. I can't remember my password, and when I tried to change it something happens (can't remember what, and I am too afraid to try it at this computer that has it stored) .Thanks for taking the time. Probably I have done something extremely stupid and just waste your precious time.
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Dan, can't confirm the fears about the volume of BD. I (only) saw him twice the last tour - both times it was not too loud from my point of view, the Hannover show was on the contrary perfect sound in my opinion!
I know what I said earlier about a new Dylan tour, and I would prefer to do MK his own complete full set (I am just impatient, that's all), but if I would have the chance, I would see Bob again of course. And the next time Dylan will be in my country (on his own), I will be there again...
LE
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Dear Mark, i understand hes your favorite musician, but please stop touring with this has been. He cant sing no more, he sounds like a dying cat. Leave him trashing his "legacy" (HA!) alone, dont be a part of this, its only doing harm to you too.
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Goodness gracious, I thought I was the only person brave enough to admit that they couldn't stand Dylan! I never, ever got the mystique, despite liking quite a few of his songs (ISIS is my all-time favorite). Dylan came to Omaha many years ago, got up on stage impaired in some way - and could not remember his words at all - was roundly booed off by people who paid dearly to see him, and received the one-finger salute from him as he left. I don't particularly consider him a class act. MK, on the other hand, has never, in my limited concert experience, been anything less than courtly (although I have heard of a few choice expletives he's levelled at certain people, especially the usher Nazis) and he can look fearsome when he's disobeyed - I saw that once at Berkeley, after Crockford said 'no cameras' and MK saw someone with one quite close. At any rate, should the tour arrive at a serendipidous moment of good financial fortune for me, I can overlook my disapproval of Mr Tambourine Man for even a limited amount of MK.
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Hi panzerdriver! Well I am one of those who has liked Dylan's albums since the very beginning and love lots of his songs, but seeing him for the first time live last year was a real eye-opener for me. Of course, I already knew his voice wasn't good these days, but it was the ear-splitting volume at the Manchester show which shocked me, and I and some others around me resorted to ear-plugs. I don't think this is a satisfactory way to listen to a concert. MK's sound, by the way. was crystal clear and perfect.
It hasn't deterred me from seeing him again, but only IF MK was touring with him, because I will endure even Dylan to see MK, but I'm afraid wild horses wouldn't get my husband to see him again, so if it happens once more in UK or Europe, I will have to either go alone or with someone else! :) BTW I still listen to Dylan's albums and continue enjoying them. :)
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Sounds a bit strange to me that people who are Knopfler fans rush out of the concert venue only to avoid hearing Dylan on stage, even though they might miss a duet or two. What's the hurry? How bad can it be? It is still Dylan, so if I got the chance, even though I don't know his music that much, I would definitely cancel all other plans that night and give it a shot. He is one of Mark's inspirations..
Quite right Jarle. If I hadn't hung around, I would never have witnessed Forever Young on the last night. That was the best bit of live musical theatre I have ever seen. US fans - pay up and go with an open mind! I think this tour will happen and if so, the announcement must be v soon.
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Is this a hint from Guy?
Q: MK never goes backwards..that was the last tour with Bob Dylan. This is what is printed on the back of your speakers "AC 100V/120V/230V/240V~60Hz/50Hz 500W so at 230V I am in error in my last post..each speaker draws about 2 amps and 4 amp total for the two.
A: of Europe.
It suppose this means that this was the last tour with Bob... of Europe...
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if this US tour doesnt happen I will eat my fridge and maybe my freezer, not that I want it to happen with Dylan again. Good as Dylan was,
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Is this a hint from Guy?
Q: MK never goes backwards..that was the last tour with Bob Dylan. This is what is printed on the back of your speakers "AC 100V/120V/230V/240V~60Hz/50Hz 500W so at 230V I am in error in my last post..each speaker draws about 2 amps and 4 amp total for the two.
A: of Europe.
It suppose this means that this was the last tour with Bob... of Europe...
It sure sounds like a hint, doesn't it? Also, there's another post where someone says the BD Tour was the first and the last, and Guy answers "Is that right?" ...... another not-so-subtle hint?
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GF:
We will be touring.... I'm thinking you will not be disappointed but obviously I cannot give ANY details...yet.
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There will be plenty of live dates, be assured of that.
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Wow ! It's one of the most powerful answers I've ever read on Guy's forum.
Very explicit but also full of hidden details if you're familiar with Guy's style.
If gives us the missing information and confirms a US tour.
All the clues lead to Bob : that makes things clear and somehow predictable.
First rumors say Bob is touring in South America. I assume the next step could be North America.
Be ready, guys : we're not talking about 2013 nor end of 2012 but more likely Spring 2012.
And that is tomorrow. :P ;D
It looks like we're set for two tours :
- Spring 2012 US tour
and then either 2012 Europe Fall Tour or back to usual September 2012 - new album release + tour announcement and tour in april to july 31, 2013
In any case it sounds GREAT ! ;D ;D ;D
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There are two threads for the same topic
Mark Knopfler & Bob Dylan: MAYBE a 2012 summer tour????
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There should be a third thread - Mark & Bob definitely touring Australia 2012, supported by JJ Cale!
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Found this on ER:
http://www.concertboom.com/bob-dylan/tour-dates/
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Since everything is just rumors and hearsay, we can speculate for the years up to 2020 and maybe place some bets. ;D
I really don't know what the fuss is about. And maybe all we crazy weirdo fans do is sending the wrong message to MK' ears- Guy.
We want MK, but they have to take into account the financial matters. They can start a tour for 1000 people, scattered all over the world! (OK I exaggerate. maybe 100.000) :lol
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Madrid?
Guy said about a tour plenty of dates, but I imagine he was talking about MK tour 2013...
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I hope someday mark will come back to Argentina, almost imposible
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There are plenty of rumours about Dylan playing in South America, so if MK sticks with him, maybe you have a chance.
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Found this on ER:
http://www.concertboom.com/bob-dylan/tour-dates/
Fingers crossed.... ;D
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Found this on ER:
http://www.concertboom.com/bob-dylan/tour-dates/
Fingers crossed.... ;D
It's a hoax! It's a tribute band! :disbelief They're called "Highway 61 revisited" read the schedule here:
http://www.highway61revisited.com/
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Q:
Reading between the lines on some of your responses, it appears to me that there is another Dylan/Knopfler tour coming. I would hate to see that. I am a big fan of Dylan's, but would want to see a full concert set by MK and not the abbreviated set the dual tour provides. Any comment?
Guy
You will get your wish
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But when? This year already?
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I see. Tiresias at Troia was less cryptic. But why bother the man? If it is going to happen, wouldn't it be better to be a surprise?
I know for sure that he is not coming to Greece, so maybe that is why I don't even care.
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John McCusker has been updating his schedule over here: http://www.johnmccusker.co.uk/
Apparently there is no sign of another BD/MK tour at this point....
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John McCusker has been updating his schedule over here: http://www.johnmccusker.co.uk/
Apparently there is no sign of another BD/MK tour at this point....
Maybe it will be the same as last year - October/November.
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John McCusker has been updating his schedule over here: http://www.johnmccusker.co.uk/
Apparently there is no sign of another BD/M
K tour at this point....
Maybe it will be the same as last year - October/November.
Or march/april
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John McCusker has been updating his schedule over here: http://www.johnmccusker.co.uk/
Apparently there is no sign of another BD/M
K tour at this point....
Maybe it will be the same as last year - October/November.
Or march/april
Could be - then everything fits in as usual.
Finish album - February 2012
Bob/Mark US - March/April
Album release - August/September
Promos - October/November
Tour - March/July 2013 8)
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If it was to be March/April, the tickets would be on sale now surely? I'm betting later in the year - autumn.
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John McCusker has been updating his schedule over here: http://www.johnmccusker.co.uk/
Apparently there is no sign of another BD/M
K tour at this point....
Maybe it will be the same as last year - October/November.
Or march/april
Or june/July ;D
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:lol whenever I'm ready !
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Anytime is good for me.
The sooner the better. Especially if it's a US tour. ;)
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Just read this from a forumer in EXPECTING RAIN called Nosferatu
Strange things!
According to my source there was indeed no plan to Tour this year.
There was never a plan to Tour with Petty. I wasn't told the reason but the talk about recently designed Tour posters was completely wrong and a joke of the Crew and perhaps even of Bob or the Band..
But since beginning of January there were indeed plans to Tour in South America (with MK!) in Spring (Between March and May).
Anyway they started to book locations and stopped everything a week ago. The order to stop came from Bob.
It's not sure what happens now, because they stopped proceedings but didn't cancel the locations.
There was also a plan to tour in USA west Coast ( with MK!!!) in June / July and Europe in Autumn. Also these plans got stopped.
Same thing happened 2008 were all plans got stopped (by order of Bob) but the proceedings continued two weeks later and the first dates arrived.
Let's see. Something is happening here and announcements even for South America might happen every day.
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Ha! Just read that on ER. Sounds interesting and the dates mentioned fit in with those which would fit in with John McCusker. Let's see if it happens. Maybe that's why Guy is a bit cagey! ;)
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Everything is logical and all the information, clues or guesses we've had since november are coherent.
The big question is how to get there :P :disbelief
I must admit I have no answer :'(
It also means that the autumn Europe leg (including probably South of France / Spain) is Bob only.
For our side, it means back to normal life : album release in September + tour announcement.
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The big question is how to get there :P :disbelief
on a plane? ;D
That would be nice, we are thinking about spending some time in the Big Apple this summer, maybe we could go and see a show.... (just have to convince the other half, that may be tough...)
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I'm saving my money for next year's tour, unless MK tours Europe/UK with BD again in Autumn, which I doubt very much.
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I didnt noticed that the autumm tour was without MK in that post from ER...
Well, if its that way, europeans we are safe of spending money again with that show, and we can save it for the real thing ;D
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I didnt noticed that the autumm tour was without MK in that post from ER...
Well, if its that way, europeans we are safe of spending money again with that show, and we can save it for the real thing ;D
Mark not touring in Europe with BD already "clearly" announced by GF.
The other option may be MK touring on his own in Europe in Autumn but I don't feel it.
The big question is how to get there :P :disbelief
on a plane? ;D
That would be nice, we are thinking about spending some time in the Big Apple this summer, maybe we could go and see a show.... (just have to convince the other half, that may be tough...)
I would have more than one half to convince ...
I don't care, I will have more arguments for the real tour.
It's time to do something big. ;)
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This early news of Dylan in South America makes no mention of MK:-
http://www.entradasyconciertos.com/2012/01/24/bob-dylan-en-argentina-2012/
It is a very premature report, clearly, but one might have expected a reference to MK if it were to be a co-tour of any kind.
Whenever the possibilty of a joint BD/MK in 2012 has come up in conversation with my various contacts, it has always been in terms of a BD/MK tour happening this coming autumn, not earlier. I have taken this to mean that, at this stage, they and their management teams have agreed to keep a run of specific weeks clear in their work schedules and have spoken to the band memebers and the road crew accordingly. Meanwhile, the backroom people will begin to try and put something together. Of course, the principals could change their minds or they might receive an even better offer. On the Dylan side, he likes to finish tours and be home (presumably with the family) by Thanksgiving. Thus, to my mind, "autumn" means the month or so preceding this.
I'm prepared to be wrong but that's my reading of the situation.
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Would be nice to know something soon :)
& another Mark & Bob tour would be nice ;)
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This early news of Dylan in South America makes no mention of MK:-
http://www.entradasyconciertos.com/2012/01/24/bob-dylan-en-argentina-2012/
It is a very premature report, clearly, but one might have expected a reference to MK if it were to be a co-tour of any kind.
Whenever the possibilty of a joint BD/MK in 2012 has come up in conversation with my various contacts, it has always been in terms of a BD/MK tour happening this coming autumn, not earlier. I have taken this to mean that, at this stage, they and their management teams have agreed to keep a run of specific weeks clear in their work schedules and have spoken to the band memebers and the road crew accordingly. Meanwhile, the backroom people will begin to try and put something together. Of course, the principals could change their minds or they might receive an even better offer. On the Dylan side, he likes to finish tours and be home (presumably with the family) by Thanksgiving. Thus, to my mind, "autumn" means the month or so preceding this.
I'm prepared to be wrong but that's my reading of the situation.
This makes perfect sense. John and Mike's tour together will take them well into the summer..so working around that for a summer tour could be difficult. Pair that with the fact that Mark's album releases are usually in mid-September..and you have the stage set for a promo tour for the new album...September, October and finishing in mid-November..just in time for Bob to go home for Thanksgiving.
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Could be a nice West Coast tour with Mark & Bob :)
As is what Bob did with Van & Joni Mitchell in 1998.
We shall see (& hopefully soon)
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Just Autumn will be strange as its supposed that the free months in MK schedule are the ones in spring-summer, unless the film score will have him very occupied.
Summer tour at the US will make sense in his usual schedule, and a October-November tour again with Bob would make sense as well to promote the new record that, as usual, us very likely to be release in September.
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Just Autumn will be strange as its supposed that the free months in MK schedule are the ones in spring-summer, unless the film score will have him very occupied.
Summer tour at the US will make sense in his usual schedule, and a October-November tour again with Bob would make sense as well to promote the new record that, as usual, us very likely to be release in September.
& in Europe maybe longer sets by MK and possibly a trade-off opener/closer by he and Bob.
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Guy has already said no Europe tour with Mark and Bob. :-\
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I missed that but, as it would not seem sensible for MK and BD to tour Europe together so soon after the 2011 shows, I guess Guy is not really giving too much away.
Part of Guy's problem is that, until a tour is contractually signed, sealed and delivered, anything could still change. On a personal level, he would not wish to lead his readers astray. On an organisational level, the PR people are likely to object to any premature revelation, as they would seek to make an announcement with a flourish. Finally, it is common practice, for longish tours anyway, that more than one itinerary is developed. I assume that this avoids the "all the eggs in one basket" syndrome and allows artist management greater flexibility in their dealings with local promoters. This means that information about particular dates/cities/venues may be given in good faith but not be accurate in the end. Also, Dylan has been known to seek to avoid playing all the same cities and/or venues as on previous tours.
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At any rate, Omaha always gets bypassed...not big enough...and Dylan had a bad date here at least once in the past. So unless KC is ever a venue, financially I'm stuck until next time. Like Superval, I'd like to wait anyway and see MK alone, so saving my money for a hopeful RAH concert/visit. Anybody reading this who are instrumental in booking venues, however: the Holland Center in Omaha would be absolutely perfect for MK!!!! ;D :-*
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A couple Bob Spring rumours. No mention of our man:
http://virgula.uol.com.br/ver/noticia/musica/2012/02/08/293860-bob-dylan-pode-tocar-no-brasil-em-abril
After threatening to pass this way in the last publication of the SWU Music and Arts Festival, in last year, finally the hour arrived of Bob Dylan touched in Brazil again.
According to the columnist L
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John McCusker's tied up with his own tour in May, so I don't think an April/May tour is on the cards for MK with BD.
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why would he need to take his band? can he not just join like that?
they seemed to have had a lot of fun.
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why would he need to take his band? can he not just join like that?
they seemed to have had a lot of fun.
Of course, that could happen - and be part of BD's band! That would solve the problem! Do you think so? ;)
Would BD's band be able to play MK's songs as we know them and would the MK fans in USA and South America be satisfied with that situation? :-\
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Maybe mark will come to south america without john and then john joins in the us
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John McCusker's tied up with his own tour in May, so I don't think an April/May tour is on the cards for MK with BD.
John and Mike have four dates to work around in July and August as well http://www.johnmccusker.co.uk/ (http://www.johnmccusker.co.uk/) .
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When the MK & BD tour autumm tour was just a rumour, McCusker has some dates that were changed or cancelled...
I guess if MK called them, its a bigger commitment, and probable before they have anything confirmed, they are accepting other gigs that can be cancelled, just in case.
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True..call me crazy..but I'm guessing that an MK gig would be a more sizable paycheck.
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why would he need to take his band? can he not just join like that?
they seemed to have had a lot of fun.
Of course, that could happen - and be part of BD's band! That would solve the problem! Do you think so? ;)
Would BD's band be able to play MK's songs as we know them and would the MK fans in USA and South America be satisfied with that situation? :-\
Oh wow! I would actually really enjoy seeing MK playing the gee-tar as part of BD's band! Many on this forum have already mentioned that, if MK were to do another mini-tour, his setlist would most likely be rather disappointingly the same as last tour. I enjoyed listening to MK's guitar work in Bob's songs back in the fall, so I would be interested to hear a full setlist. If this were the case, though, I'd want MK to have more guitar solos than he did in his guest appearances last tour.
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True..call me crazy..but I'm guessing that an MK gig would be a more sizable paycheck.
:lol True :)
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New information on Bob. At least we will keep track of his plans this year as well:
"Or Chile and the rest of South America. Because, in the past 14 years, the musician materialize three visits to the country: his recitals in 1998 and 2008, Dylan has just closed its third show in the capital with a regional producer. The meeting will be in early May and is not yet defined the place, although all the discussions point to the Movistar Arena, the same place where the last time brought together nearly 10 thousand people in a highly praised concert. The periplus also have several dates on Brazil and Argentina, and was formalised before that it ends this month. In fact, on Wednesday some Brazilian media already reported that the voice of classics like Like a rolling stone or Blowin' in the wind will return in April to that country."
http://diario.latercera.com/2012/02/10/01/contenido/cultura-entretencion/30-100101-9-bob-dylan-fija-regreso-a-santiago-para-mayo.shtml
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Herewith, the first batch of Dylan's South American dates:
15 April 2012: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (Citibank Hall)
17 April 2012: Bras
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And it's official: http://www.bobdylan.com/tour
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And it's official: http://www.bobdylan.com/tour
Did anyone asked Guy about the South American dates?
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From Guy's forum on 13th February:
Hi, there any tiny chance that the next tour comes to south america? or I rule out this possibility?... sorry for asking such a direct question but the intrigue is killing me. Thanks guy
Guy: Sorry but I don't know the touring schedule as yet although there is planning underway
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I was about to add Santiago to the Dylan tour list when I saw the link to Dylan's own website. Thanks, Superval.
In Peru, there is a rumour that he will play there. If I'm right, then this will be the first time Dylan has played there and he likes to go to new places, so it's possible.
No sources mention MK, I'm afraid.
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Seems the Summer West Coast USA tour with Mark is a go, but I do not believe he will be joining Bob in South America.
Let's hope we get the Summer dates soon; well, sooner than later ;)
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Just in from Guy:
Q: Bob Dylan dates in South America were announced in his official site, and MK is not mentioned at all, so, am I right if I say MK & Band wont tour South America with Bob? I guess so, a later announcement will be very unfair to all the MK fans there that missed their chance to buy good tickets... early sale start at february 27th.
A: That's correct, we are not touring South America with Mr. Bob
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Which does not exclude north America ;)
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exactly, and which would be a typcial Guy answer... ;D
LE
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Which does not exclude north America ;)
True :)
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exactly, and which would be a typcial Guy answer... ;D
LE
Cryptic answers..we will call it Guyspeak ;D .
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Since these words sound Greek to you and I happen to be Greek, I will translate to plain English.
"Be certain that we will not be touring the South continent of America with Bob Dylan, but we might do it alone! We might also tour North America with Bob (Seger), or then again we might not do it with Bob, or at all. As for Europe you did not ask, so why should you expect any answer at all? " ;D
(It is like the Pythian saying for those that asked if they will return alive from Troy. It went a little like this: "You will go and return you won't die in the war." It all depended on the placement of the comma. (You will go and return, you won't die in the war / You will go and return you won't, -you'll-die in the war) .
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its my subjetive point of view for waiting mark in S.A or maybe that answer means that mark will touring alone in S.A.
I remember also a answer from guy from a question complaining about playing one hour show, he answer "you will get your wish"
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Update: "These concerts (South America) are not double-headers and do not include Mark Knopfler. Shows to include Mark Knopfler are being talked about for North America in late (October / November) 2012. However, these dates are still very much at the planning stage. "
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Just to clarify things: From where is this update, and how "official" is it?
LE
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Just to clarify things: From where is this update, and how "official" is it?
LE
It's from here:
http://www.bobdylanisis.com/Dylan%20Digest.htm
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Thanks, Val! But is this official? I don't know what ISIS is to be honest. I had the idea that these shows "being talked about for North America" as well could have been come from here, because WE were talking about it... Has ISIS any connection to Bob's management? Or is it fan-based?
Or, in other words: Does ISIS have a Terry K.? :lol :lol
LE
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Hi LE! It says at the top left - ISIS - The Bob Dylan Magazine, so I think it's official! Don't know about a TK, but maybe twm might know? ;)
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I have written for ISIS magazine in the past and occasionally still do. I can assure you that ISIS is not an official magazine sanctioned by Bob Dylan's management. It was started by fans and is still run by fans. That said, if Bob Dylan's management wanted to be difficult about its content, they probably could - but they don't. They are aware of the magazine and, for all I know, read it. There is no equivalent of TK in Dylan World - and I do know TK.
Now, in terms of Dylan news, as published on their website, they do not put out stuff just because they can but because they think it is correct and the timing is appropriate. They have a very high success rate in terms of accuracy - approaching 100%, I'd say. I know this because I have myself provided information to them for publication, based on the sources I have built up over the years. They also have sources of their own. I have had a pretty close working relationship with the ISIS people for over 20 years and, indeed, only a month ago, attended an entirely social event in the north of England, sharing a table with them and some of the old-stagers in Dylan World. Some of you may or may not know the My Back Pages people, also fans, who ran a Dylan book service in their spare time, put on Bob Dylan conventions and also showed videos from here, there and everywhere.
Getting "unknown" news is not always a straightforward process. One tries to triangulate information - that is, get it from three independent sources, who do not know one another. This is increasingly difficult in the internet age, where you can appear to get something from different dources but it is simply one source whose bit of information has been passed around. Sometimes, I have got a snippet of information on the basis that it will not be made public unless it also comes from someone else. I have always honoured that, even if it means being a bit behind with its publc dissemination. This is the proper course of action for a number of reasons: (1) it is the honourable thing to do, (2) it safeguards the source for the future, as well as increasing your own credibility as someone to whom "secrets" can be entrusted, (3) it helps identify which other sources you should approach and (4) it helps to assess any other rumours that may be picked up on the same subject. I believe the people at ISIS are similarly honourable and careful.
If ISIS says that shows are "being talked about for North America", in the context of Dylan and Knopfler touring together, then I would believe them. They will not be talking about fan chatter alone. If they were, they would make that clear. What they say is consistent with my own view and my own sources. It is not certain that there will be any such BD-MK tour later this year but there are indications that this could happen.
How this would fit in with any MK solo tour, I do not know.
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Thanks twm, very enlightening, as always I might add.
LE
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Bob Dylan Lucca, Italy Festival Summer 2012: http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lanazione.it%2Flucca%2Fcronaca%2F2012%2F02%2F16%2F669151-ruba_ricettario_prescriversi_morfina_denunciato_operario.shtml
"Lucca, February 19, 2012: Bob Dylan will return to the Summer Festival: its presence was confirmed by the artistic director Mimmo D'Alessandro, who needs only to define the date."
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So Bob is going to tour SA in the spring..do some dates in Europe in the summer..and NA in the fall?...wow!
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That's what ISIS is reporting as the current rumours
Bob Dylan Lucca, Italy Festival Summer 2012 (Rumour)
"Lucca, February 19, 2012: Bob Dylan will return to the Summer Festival: its presence was confirmed by the artistic director Mimmo D'Alessandro, who needs only to define the date." Further details HERE
Although this date is unconfirmed it does fit with what ISIS heard earlier this year, which was Spring in South America, possible Summer Festivals in Europe and an October / November tour in the States, possibly with Mark Knopfler.
Feb 20, 2012
As for "wow", Dylan is now 70 but still tours a lot, often around or close to 100 shows per annum, and he has been doing this since the late 1980s. Last year was actually relatively quiet as he did only 89 concerts in 21 different countries. The slacker! Actually, I haven't counted them but "stole" the information from elsewhere.
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but in the late 80s, he was not 70! ;D
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buddy guy is another prime example, the man must surely have past the 100 by now, and still tours like a wildebeast.
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Correct! Full marks for observation and computational ability. It is comforting to know that some people are alert and paying attention.
And I've probably said this before but I saw Buddy Guy in a small club in North London in the mid-1960s!
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but in the late 80s, he was not 70! ;D
Yes but he sounded like 70! Now he sounds like 100, but unfortunately not like Buddy Guy. ;D
No matter what you say twm and with all due respect, I can't convince myself to like his concert voice, at all. It is like torture.
"How many songs must a poor man hear, before he passes out"
Joke aside, I don't care about any excuses about his traveling a lot and getting older, or the artistry hidden behind his raw vocals. But this is only my personal opinion and a discussion we already had. But I can settle with his studio voice quality.
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Dylan has toured most years of his career but the current touring bout is generally reckoned to have started in 1988. Here's a (brief) Dylan story from that year that might perhaps illustrate his sense of humour:
Omaha World-Herald
In 1988, Bob Dylan of all people stopped Barry Manilow at a party, hugged him and said,
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Thank you for that, twm! He has the wit of a young man, indeed! Almost like a Brit! Or maybe he truly believed it. No... ;D
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That schedule could make sense with MK supposed projects... As MK still has to record the film score, while Bob is touring SA and Europe, MK can continue his work, and maybe do some guest appearence in London if Bob wants to invite him.
What I still dont get is why MK would like to tour with Bob in the autumm this year when he has to release a new record and promote it at that time, I dont get it, it doesnt make sense, to be touring the US when the usual stuff is do promo gigs in Europe, tv news, tv programmes etc etc. To tour the US with Bob doesnt makes any sense, he will be wasting promotion months in a market that its not good for him, and missing the market that its really good for him.
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Well, maybe the soundtrack will be released first, to coincide with the release of the movie in June. Maybe the new songs he played live is actually from the soundtrack. Then he might surprise us with a nice double CD live release! (Containing Money for nothing, just for Canada. :P ) That could explain the schedule. And the album with the new material will be released in 2013, with A Bob contribution! It is about time! ;D
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For me it's pretty clear now: album release end of August/Sept, and instead of TV promo stuff in Oct/Nov as usual he will tour with Bob again, just for fun and because it was so great... Then his "own" tour as usual from Feb/March 2013 on... I will be ready...
LE
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That's what ISIS is reporting as the current rumours
Bob Dylan Lucca, Italy Festival Summer 2012 (Rumour)
"Lucca, February 19, 2012: Bob Dylan will return to the Summer Festival: its presence was confirmed by the artistic director Mimmo D'Alessandro, who needs only to define the date." Further details HERE
Although this date is unconfirmed it does fit with what ISIS heard earlier this year, which was Spring in South America, possible Summer Festivals in Europe and an October / November tour in the States, possibly with Mark Knopfler.
Feb 20, 2012
As for "wow", Dylan is now 70 but still tours a lot, often around or close to 100 shows per annum, and he has been doing this since the late 1980s. Last year was actually relatively quiet as he did only 89 concerts in 21 different countries. The slacker! Actually, I haven't counted them but "stole" the information from elsewhere.
:lol Hey now :)
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More Bob Summer Dates/News:
Lunedi 27 Febbraio 2012
Bob Dylan live in Cortona ( Italy) in August? First rumors
Two super-names are circulating among the Italian journalists about the mysterious new festival to be held in Cortona (Tuscany) in the month of August: Bob Dylan and Umberto Eco. The replacement of the old Tuscan Sun Festival which will be moved to Florence, will be called 'In Tuscany-Cortona Art Festival', will be (partly) presented at a press conference this morning just in the Etruscan town.
Meanwhile, moving the first two scenarios, one of the singer-symbol of 60 years Bob Dylan, still active live, and Umberto Eco, just to reiterate the fact that the festival will live not only of music, but it will be a mix of arts and culture.
http://www.maggiesfarm.eu/
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My reading of the press conference story is that the festival was announced but no names of performers were given. The festival is supported by an Italian publisher called Fetrinelli, who published Dylan's "Chronicles Volume One" and, I believe, Umberto Eco. This may the source of the idea that these two will be at the festival. Of course, it may be true. We shall see.
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No news of Dylan and Mark touring together, I'm afraid, but, having made comments before about their two different approaches to touring, I thought these recent comments by Merle Haggard might be of interest:
On stage, however, Haggard thrives on spontaneity and on making his songs live and breathe anew, each time he plays them. Emulating his records is the last thing on his mind.
"We play for the moment," he affirmed.
"If you go out there, trying to play it like you did last night, you