A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Jarle on August 19, 2011, 07:57:32 PM
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On Facebook just now:
Mark is to write the music for a new film called Private Peaceful which is scheduled for release in January, 2012. The film is based on Michael Morpurgo's best-selling novel, War Horse. Set in rural Devon in the years leading up to and including the First World War, it tells the story of Tommo Peaceful from boyhood to the trenches of the Western Front.
Exciting! :) Although I hope it dosen't affect the studio album or tour...
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On Facebook just now:
Mark is to write the music for a new film called Private Peaceful which is scheduled for release in January, 2012. The film is based on Michael Morpurgo's best-selling novel, War Horse. Set in rural Devon in the years leading up to and including the First World War, it tells the story of Tommo Peaceful from boyhood to the trenches of the Western Front.
Exciting! :) Although I hope it dosen't affect the studio album or tour...
Well, in any way, it's a better excuse than the tour with Dylan.
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http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php/topic,1964.0.html
LE
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Good point, LE! From now on I will read the latest news on the forum before I start a new thread. Promise! ;)
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:)
btw, you are right, the story sounds exciting indeed. Just like being created for MK alone. I bet Remembrance Day will be part of the score...
LE
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Please,note that the first version of the published news is inacurate : "Private Peaceful" is base on the novel of the same name. War Horse is a different book / film (although also writen by Michael Morpurgo) where MK is not involved in.
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Whatever happened to the score for Homage to Catalonia?
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Iris, if I got it right the whole movie has been shelved, so Mark never was about to start working on the score?
LE
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That's a disappointment. Great writing. But very very happy for what we can get.
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Whatever happened to the score for Homage to Catalonia?
The film is planned for 2012:
[in development ] Catalonia [feature film/Hugh Hudson ] UK, Spain, Chile, Brazil
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I've just checked the Private Peaceful website, and they have the full cast and crew list up, and Mark is listed as the composer.
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Wow! Hence the next recording sessions....
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Perhaps Privateering or Haul Away will be in the score. I really hope they won't be in the new solo album.
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:o :o :o :o
WHAT?
How comes? I REALLY hope they will be on the new album. They have to be actually, because as you probably will remember, the new album will be called
"PRIVATEERING", (as I decided ;D), therefore it would be strange if the title track would not be on it...
LE
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:o :o :o :o
WHAT?
How comes? I REALLY hope they will be on the new album. They have to be actually, because as you probably will remember, the new album will be called
"PRIVATEERING", (as I decided ;D), therefore it would be strange if the title track would not be on it...
LE
I'm just not fond of them, that's all. I really wish Mark would ditch McGoldrick; the longer he spends in the company of guys like him McCusker, Tim O'Brian and Phil Cunningham the bigger influence they are having on the sound of his albums. On tour, Mike plays now on everything and so does John. Downscaling is needed badly. Mike out and John to stay but sit out on some songs.
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John and Mike are doing a UK tour in the New Year with a guitarist called John Doyle. I will most likely go to see them in Liverpool or Manchester! :)
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John and Mike are doing a UK tour in the New Year with a guitarist called John Doyle. I will most likely go to see them in Liverpool or Manchester! :)
I wouldn't go and see Mike if he was playing across the road!
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the longer he spends in the company of guys like him McCusker, Tim O'Brian and Phil Cunningham the bigger influence they are having on the sound of his albums.
I think it's the other way round- They are on his albums because he wants that sound on his albums. Which is fine by me by the way, I love that kind of music!
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the longer he spends in the company of guys like him McCusker, Tim O'Brian and Phil Cunningham the bigger influence they are having on the sound of his albums.
I think it's the other way round- They are on his albums because he wants that sound on his albums. Which is fine by me by the way, I love that kind of music!
Me too! Transatlantic Sessions, Celtic Connections - I love it all! :)
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I don't mind a slight Celtic influence on a couple of songs but it's becoming overkill these days, especially on tour when John and Mike play on - or rather over - everything.
I feel that Mark feels he has an obligation to hire these guys now he knows them which is ridiculous. Mike was only needed for the GL tour because they couldn't play Border Reiver without him. Now that tour is over, get rid.
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Au contraire mon fr
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Most of time McCusker was enough and McGoldrick to my taste was too much (esp on SAN).
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Au contraire mon fr
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Long time no news on this thread. But according to Guy from his today's forum posts, Mark is/has not working/worked on a soundtrack so far. Huh?
Is this another movie that has been shelved?
LE
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I've often wondered if Mark likes his guitar low because he finds it difficult to sing that particular song (due to the pace of the lyrics) and play guitar at the same time. :-\
I've never really liked What It Is. First of all, the guitar riff is a bit banal, but the song has too many words, too many words coming too fast, or too many long words coming too fast. Before each verse he has to take one deep breath, and then at the riff, he goes "aaaahhhhhhh".
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A very gay dancing Spidey AND saying that you don't like What It Is - that's TWO heresies at ONE day! Will you stop it please! I am a big fan of Spidey! 8)
LE Parker
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LOL! This thread has gone way off topic, But I'm not gonna help!
I think McGoldrick's "elbow" pipes went perfectly with "Done with Bonaparte" and "A Night in Summer long Ago" this last tour. And, of course, "Privateering" had 'em too. So if he's gonna keep songs like that on the next tour (as he'll probably keep Bonaparte), MK has good reason to keep McGoldrick in the band. And I loved the citterns in "Telegraph Road" on the Get Lucky Tour, although they were mixed waaaaaay too low in Simfy's recordings.
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IMBD says "Private Peacuful" is in post-production, and will be released in 2012, and everytime Guy is asked, he doest give clues about it.
Strange.
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maybe he is simply not involved and can't be bothered to ask??
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The film afore mentioned surely has just been released as 'War Horse' which we incidentally have seen twice already, and no Mark did not do the soundtrack.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Horse_(film)
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The film afore mentioned surely has just been released as 'War Horse' which we incidentally have seen twice already, and no Mark did not do the soundtrack.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Horse_(film)
War horse and Private Peaceful are two different movies based in two different books of the same writter.
The first one is an american film by Steven Spielberg, and the second one a british film by Pat O'Connor (the same than CAL)
http://www.fluidityfilms.com/privatepeaceful/ (http://www.fluidityfilms.com/privatepeaceful/)
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Many thanks for that, I have duly done some more research and found the following link too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Peaceful
Cant wait for that.....
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War horse and Private Peaceful are two different movies based in two different books of the same writter.
The first one is an american film by Steven Spielberg, and the second one a british film by Pat O'Connor (the same than CAL)
http://www.fluidityfilms.com/privatepeaceful/ (http://www.fluidityfilms.com/privatepeaceful/)
http://www.fluidityfilms.com/privatepeaceful/cast.html
Mark is listed as composer at the bottom.
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But according to Guy, Mark hasn't recorded a soundtrack, so, I wonder what is going on?
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If you carefully read the Wiki article...you'll find why Guy probably said that...."A feature film version of Private Peaceful is due to be released in 2012.[2] Directed by Pat O'Connor with a screenplay by Simon Reade, it stars George Mackay as Teenage Tommo and Samuel Bottomley as young Tommo. The music score was to be written by Mark Knopfler - his second film score in a decade[citation needed], but Rachel Portman has been hired to do a new score." Maybe he decided he couldn't finish it..with all that was going on.
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Thanks Hophead - However, I must admit to feeling a bit disappointed! :(
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Thanks Hophead - However, I must admit to feeling a bit disappointed! :(
Me too Val..my heart sank when I read that line. His soundtracks are just haunting. :(
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Ok, they need to update there website then, because that still says MK, but I have e-mailed Fluidity Films, so we'll wait and see what they say.
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If you carefully read the Wiki article...you'll find why Guy probably said that...."A feature film version of Private Peaceful is due to be released in 2012.[2] Directed by Pat O'Connor with a screenplay by Simon Reade, it stars George Mackay as Teenage Tommo and Samuel Bottomley as young Tommo. The music score was to be written by Mark Knopfler - his second film score in a decade[citation needed], but Rachel Portman has been hired to do a new score." Maybe he decided he couldn't finish it..with all that was going on.
If this comes from wiki, we still have a chance, anyone could edit the wiki, I can write there that Bob Dylan is going to write the soundtrack if I want ;D
Anyway, this piece of news, if its true, has let me down :'(
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If you carefully read the Wiki article...you'll find why Guy probably said that...."A feature film version of Private Peaceful is due to be released in 2012.[2] Directed by Pat O'Connor with a screenplay by Simon Reade, it stars George Mackay as Teenage Tommo and Samuel Bottomley as young Tommo. The music score was to be written by Mark Knopfler - his second film score in a decade[citation needed], but Rachel Portman has been hired to do a new score." Maybe he decided he couldn't finish it..with all that was going on.
If this comes from wiki, we still have a chance, anyone could edit the wiki, I can write there that Bob Dylan is going to write the soundtrack if I want ;D
Anyway, this piece of news, if its true, has let me down :'(
So true Jbaent...Wiki is not exactly trustworthy...articles can be edited by anyone (wait..did I just see that the soundtrack credits were edited again..and the new writer is one B. Dylan?? ;D). It does seem to coincide with what Guy posted though :(
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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006235/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1667439/fullcredits#cast
And you can see, from the plot, why MK would have been considered:
Private Peaceful (2012)
A classic rites of passage story of two brothers and the exuberance and pain of their teenage love for the same girl, the pressures of their feudal family life, the horrors and folly of war and the ultimate price of courage and cowardice. Written by Guy de Beaujeu
Private Peaceful details the gritty rural lives and loves of Tommo and Charlie - two young brothers - and their poor Devonshire family from 1909 until 1916, when the outbreak of war destroys their country idyll. Both join up (one under age) leaving behind the beautiful Molly who is the love of both their lives. The young men survive gas attacks, shelling, German troops and the appalling deaths of their close friends. But one thing they cannot escape is summary military justice. Written by Guy de Beaujeu
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You could put together a soundtrack for this just from his existing catalogue.
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I really hope that the reason MK is not doing this score is because he will have to waste more time touring with Dylan...
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It is quite peculiar, because I thought that at least two of the new songs performed at the last tour, were perfect, if not intended, for the OST. On the other hand, maybe the songs will be used, but the "filling" music, will be written by that other guy, so MK won't be getting the OST credit.
And I really hope that BD was not the reason for this.
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If MK and BD do tour together again, I still think it's going to be this coming autumn/fall. If I am right, I can't imagine that a prospective tour so far ahead would have affected MK's availability or willingness to do the soundtrack. After all, the film's is in post-production now, according to the imdb website..
As for the last MK/BD tour having affected MK's writing of the film tour, I don't know. If, as I indictaed in another post, someone could work up a rough chronology or calendar of MK's activities over the last year or so, it might become a bit clearer.
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It is quite peculiar, because I thought that at least two of the new songs performed at the last tour, were perfect, if not intended, for the OST.
Hmm, I can't see any relation between Haul Away, Privateering or Corned Beef City with any world war I related movie. The first two songs are typical MK themes, maritime, historical, authentical, (folky), but even after putting a very wide range of interpretation into the lyrics, I can't see why the two folk songs should be included in a movie called Private Peaceful. If any, then Remembrance Day would have fitted. Also, on IMDB there is someone called Rachel Portman credited for the "original music", so I think MK has declined this score. Maybe he had agreed before the Dylan tour came up and now schedule has changed totally.
LE
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If it is true that he declined because of the Dylan tour, after having previously agreed, then I think it is a great shame. I feel very disappointed. :(
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So... if the album is in the final mixes, and the "touring-with-dylan-yes-again" will happens in autumm/fall, the rest of the time everybody though it would be when MK will record the film score is now free.
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If it is true that he declined because of the Dylan tour, after having previously agreed, then I think it is a great shame. I feel very disappointed. :(
Well, we dont know if its because of that, but MK already delayed his own recordings because of the october/november tour with Dylan, so everything got delayed because of that.
We dont know MK
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If he tours again with Dylan in the Autumn, I wonder when the promos for the new album will take place. :-\
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I know it is hard for us to believe, but perhaps his score wasn't good enough and they enlisted someone else! :disbelief
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Val, as the MK disciple that I am, I prefer to think that maybe the movie wasn't good enough for MK so he declined because of that! :)
LE
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Val, as the MK disciple that I am, I prefer to think that maybe the movie wasn't good enough for MK so he declined because of that! :)
LE
I'll try to think your way, then LE - you're probably right - no, I'm SURE you're right! ;D
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I am happy with MK NOT doing a soundtrack again to be honest. As said earlier, it would contain his music of course, but it would have been influenced by too many factors like script, directors, producers, genre, etc... I like his other soundtracks in a certain way, but it is not enough for me because I need his voice and lyrics. And the singing on Shot At Glory is "half-arsed" and somewhat weak, which is what I mean: He never gives 100 % when not on his very very own, which is not meant as a complaint. My opinion. Plus I want that special "album-feel", which I never have on his soundtrack albums.
LE
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I could have settled for both of them, though! Anyway, it really doesn't matter now, but if you think of it all his songs (or most of them) are influenced by situations, books, other songs, movies so why should writing specifically for a film be a problem. But as I said, maybe it could be a Metroland situation, but this time he will be contributing the extra odd song.
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What is it that this MK will tour with Dylan again rumour is so effing persistent??? Is this the secret wish of the majority of fans? It must be, or I must have missed any kind of trustworthy hint re another tour with you-know-whom... There may be dozens of reasons why this OST didn't happen. How about this: Mark finally wants to complete his next solo album and put all his energy in that one, and for that reason he doesn't have the time to do an OST the way he wants it to (which is properly) - OR tour with His Awfulness again.
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The story seems to have come about as the result of their last tour together and, back then, there was a mixed reaction amongst fans. Just as you, a Mark fan, found Mr Bob unpalatable, so some Dylan fans found Mr Knopfler unpalatable. You are, of course, fully entitled to your view but it is essentially irrelevant. The key thing is whether the two principals found touring together to their liking (and I believe they did) and whether they feel it would be mutually beneficial for them to do so again (and I believe they do). That the other musicians and the road crew members also enjoyed working and touring together was helpful but not, I guess, crucial.
I have no inside knowledge or special insight but, having built up friendships and contacts over several decades of following Mr Bob's activities, there are indications that the two of them would like to tour together. However, nothing is clear-cut and nothing is definite, so, as we say here, you have to read the runes. Sometimes, it isn't what was said but the way things were expressed. Other times, what wasn't said seems crucial. Simultaneously, there are others trying to do the same thing. How does what they say fit in with what you've heard or surmised? How reliable have they proved in the past? And then there are the artists themselves. What have their work patterns been in the past? Out of all the various strands in this tangled web (and I haven't mentioned them all), you try to weave a coherent picture that is sensible and practical.
I have given my views on a possible re-run of the BD-MK tour in other posts and in other threads, so I won't repeat those views here, but I do not know how these fit with this supposedly on-off situation with the film score.
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What is it that this MK will tour with Dylan again rumour is so effing persistent??? Is this the secret wish of the majority of fans?
It's definitely NOT my wish! My wish is that MK finishes his album, releases it in September, does some promos and then follows on in 2013 with a fantastic tour! Next year I have a very special birthday and I will be celebrating with lots of MK concerts, hopefully! :D
Seeing Dylan ever again is not on my wish-list and I hope MK doesn't waste valuable time touring with him in the Autumn! ;)
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It is official, Fluidity Films, e-mail me back, to say Mark Knopfler is not involved :(
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It is official, Fluidity Films, e-mail me back, to say Mark Knopfler is not involved :(
Thanks! So now Mark can concentrate on finishing the new album! :)
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The fact is that the new album is in the final mixes stage, so its almost done.
I agree with LE that the MK records have an aspect that the scores doesnt, but in the end, thats the same story, it only changes the writer of the story.
In his own records MK creates lovely melodies to his own written songs (or in the contrary when the music comes first than the lyrics) and in his film scores, MK creates lovely melodies to the story that the film is talking about.
What matter is that is MK who writes and creates the music, so its his music anyhow.
I love MK film scores, as it gives us the chance to enjoy instrumental pieces of music that we wont be able to enjoy if he doesnt write them, its complementary.
The strong efforts that MK does when playing with Dylan, is hardly enjoyable when Dylan insists on ruin everything playing guitar as well or blowing the harmonica like a crazy dog. So, for me, the Dylan thing is something I dont want anymore, at least in the same way that the 2011 tour happened.
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Guy says:
"We have been working solidly on the album so there has been no time."
You can say I
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jbaent,I agree with your sentiments. They weren't working solidly on the album last Autumn - they were touring with Dylan! So I think I was right in my original assumption, that the soundtrack and also the album, was sacrificed for Mr Bob! :(
Would Mr Bob have done the same for MK do you think? I doubt it very much - he couldn't even take the time to say hello to the band! ::)
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I have different feelings. I still consider the Dylan tour is the best thing that could happen to MK's career.
It's not a question of money, fame or success. It's only a question of motivation. Bob gave Mark the strength to go on a couple of years (remember the end of GL tour, even GF had no idea if they would tour again...).
No film score means a busy schedule which means excellent news. They focus on the live thing. (would be more excellent though if it was here in Europe ;) but it's ok. Let's hope we'll get some nice recordings.
Val, I'm sure you'll have your very own 2013 tour. ;D
I don't care about film scores, I don't almost even care about new albums.
The next tour is my only preoccupation. Wanna hear more versions of THC and Marbletown. Again and again and again.
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Thanks Tunnel85, but for me and you-know-who, the BD/MK tour was a huge disappointment. Not only did we only have half a concert of MK, but we then had to endure the almost unlistenably high volume at Manchester (ear plugs were essential) and also Bob's terrible barking and screaming! Coupled with that, our concert was prior to MK joining Bob on stage, so we didn't even have that to sugar the pill.
The new album is something I am looking forward to immensely - I can't wait - and I love MK's soundtracks too, but I can easily do without another Dylan tour! I hope to meet you again on my MK tour next year though! :)
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While I can understand the comments about Dylan's performances these days (I said long ago in this forum that he can be a hard listen these days and that his performances are less consistent than Mark's), I think you're taking a very short-sighted view.
What you got were over 30 Mark Knopfler performances that you wouldn't have got but for the Dylan tour. Even if, from your limited perspective, you regard them as half-concerts, that's more than 15 additional "concerts". As an extra, you got Mark contributing to Dylan's set at a number of shows. That, initself, should have been of some interest to you. You also got "early" versions of some new songs, which may well be changed by the time they appear on studio disc and in any later shows, giving you the chance to see how he develops his songs over time. And that's not to mention the question of the "motivation effect" of the shows on Mark, as mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
Even to take your view at face value, the "price" of this was a possible delay in the release of Mark's new album (as nobody is really sure when he would have finished and released it, had he not toured with Dylan, so there might have been no delay) and a delay in the resulting album-supporting concerts (ditto). Irrespective of their date, Mark's likely to be doing these concerts anyway, so that's not a real loss. You may have "lost" a soundtrack album but even that is far from established.
I think that's a pretty fair trade-off. Glass half-full or glass half-empty?
Incidentally, in January and February 2012, Dylan has set to in Jackson Browne's Santa Monica studio and recorded his own new album. One rumour was that MK would guest on it but, as the dates seems to clash with Mark's own post-recording activities, it seems unlikely - unless he phoned his contribution in, of course.
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Well, I only can say that I enjoyed my arse off during my two shows last Oct/Nov, that it really would have been a pity if I would have missed them and that I am happy that I saw Mark AND Bob both live and alive and kicking on stage and giving me and the audience (especially Hannover) a very good time.
And I can't pity about a not-produced soundtrack, sorry, from the same reason that I can't be unhappy because of all the albums MK did NOT record from 1996 to 2000, or from 1991 to 1996 and so on...
I think MK's daily life has more decisions than we know, and Guy is really right in keeping it inside as long as possible. As long as we don't know it, we can't get upset about it. Maybe Katie Perry has asked him and he has declined, just imagine! ! :o
Let's looking forward a really great next album. It can't be bad with Haul Away and Privateering on it, I am sure!
LE
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twm - My comments were mainly about the concert that my husband and I attended in Manchester. The Dylan part of the concert was not a pleasant experience for either of us. The volume (for BD) was ear-splittingly loud and, for us, there wasn't even the "extra" of MK joining BD on stage at that particular point in the tour! At least that would have been some compensation.
As for the "motivation" aspect that was mentioned earlier - we have to go back to the 2010 tour, when MK's back was a big problem. After the tour ended we didn't hear much about him at all - he didn't even perform at the Prince's Trust with Guy. We don't know what was happening, but maybe it was all connected to his back injury - who can say! I'm pretty sure, though, that the songs for the new album, were being written, or had even already been written, because in March 2011 the news came that they were back in the studio, so I don't think that it was Bob's invitation that motivated MK - he was already motivated! What we are talking about is a delayed album and a cancelled soundtrack and I believe that the invitation to join Bob on tour was irresistable to MK and everything else went by the wayside - after all Bob is his hero!
btw twm, My glass is always half full regarding MK! I know he will continue to be motivated without any help from Dylan!
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Superval99, I absolutely understand your disappointment.
I was lucky enough to have experienced different situations, including two shows not too loud and with MK on stage.
I have to say that clearly made a huge difference and Bob's shows happened to be more enjoyable, even after MK had left.
I agree with twm about the extra MK shows we've had thanks to Bob Dylan. A bonus !
twm, the glass is not half-full nor half-empty. It's empty now but it was full of champagne and I've enjoyed until the last drop.
I'm a bit rough when I say I don't care about studio albums but somehow it's the truth.
I've been waiting for years for another LOG or Princess Bride and only got Shangri-La, KTGC and GL.
There are always a few gems in each album but I don't expect anymore a great studio album.
Live is so different : a 10 minute track can save your evening and then you can enjoy it during years (if it's taped or filmed ::) ).
I'm ready for a Bob tour. My chances of being there in person are below zero but I won't give up easily.
At least it will be for me a good excuse to tour "a little bit more" in 2013 and it would be great to meet you this time. And also meet all the ones I've missed ... ;D
Yes, I also hope to meet you on tour.
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Thanks Tunnel85, but for me and you-know-who, the BD/MK tour was a huge disappointment. Not only did we only have half a concert of MK, but we then had to endure the almost unlistenably high volume at Manchester (ear plugs were essential) and also Bob's terrible barking and screaming! Coupled with that, our concert was prior to MK joining Bob on stage, so we didn't even have that to sugar the pill.
The new album is something I am looking forward to immensely - I can't wait - and I love MK's soundtracks too, but I can easily do without another Dylan tour! I hope to meet you again on my MK tour next year though! :)
Don't agree on the sacrifice superV. We would have not seen any mark at all last autumn, so it was indeed a nice bonus. And I would also prefer them working on the new album and on touring then on some film score (even though I love the work he has done in that field) and most importantly, let us not forget the various hints about the possible release of live shows, let them pllllllssssss work on that....
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Pottel - Maybe sacrifice was a bit strong, but I'm sure a lot more work would have been done on the album if Bob hadn't got in the way - it might even have been released last September and we would have had the promos as usual and been looking forward to a tour THIS year! I just hope we get the promos this Autumn - that would be a much more enticing prospect! ;)
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I am only looking forward to those live recordings these days, honestly. The album will come, that is a definite, but the live recs are still in limbo...
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I am only looking forward to those live recordings these days, honestly. The album will come, that is a definite, but the live recs are still in limbo...
Which live recordings are you talking about, pottel? The last BD/MK tour or the MK recordings that Guy mentioned? I would have thought you had all of those available from the BD tour, I know I have. I would much rather have a promo tour!
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I know that the sound volume in Dylan's portion of the show did cause concern. It certainly went up during the course of his set and then stayed "up" thereafter. I was less concerned about this than others but quite a few people commented adversely afterwards. Maybe, this was not to the extent that you seem to have been affected but it was to the extent that it became a bone of contention for some patrons. We were upstairs for all the shows we attended and maybe the effect was more marked up there. Equally, it could be that the sound desk was downstairs, under a gallery and/or behind crowds of standing people, which served to muffle the sound and resulted in the technical crews jacking the volume up.
Was or is there any indication at all that Mark, had he not gone on the Dylan tour, would have released his new album last September? If so, what was being suggested?
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twm, We were in the stalls at our concert - 4th row and the sound was perfect for MK, but it was excessively loud for BD and we were in the same seats, of course, for both sets! So it had to be Bob's sound that was cranked up! Even one of the officials mentioned MK's perfect sound to us and was mystified why BD's soundmen couldn't have done the same! I have seen MK many times at Manchester MEN and the sound has always been spot-on.
Regarding the album being released last September. Of course, it is never set in stone, but if everything had proceeded in the usual pattern, we could have had an album last Autumn, with promos to follow. Going into the studio did, however, start a bit later than usual - March, but I remember we were still excited that we would have an album last year, until, that is, we heard news of Bob's invitation and then the album was delayed/put on hold. Yes, there are a lot of "ifs and buts"in here! I hope we get some promos this year! ;)
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I am only looking forward to those live recordings these days, honestly. The album will come, that is a definite, but the live recs are still in limbo...
Which live recordings are you talking about, pottel? The last BD/MK tour or the MK recordings that Guy mentioned? I would have thought you had all of those available from the BD tour, I know I have. I would much rather have a promo tour!
I think he's talking about the recordings the band has made since 2005.
About the second part Pottel surely has everything available. But you know in Dylan world, there always something cooking and you never know when it's gonna see the light.
Never ending tour, never ending releases. It just takes time but it's a continuous flood.
I don't believe how these guys can be slow sometimes to release things. :disbelief
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Tunnel85, I'm a bit like MK in respect of looking forward - I have really gone past 2005 now - I want new stuff. A new album, promos, an MK tour and as for BD old recordings - I've heard enough of him! :disbelief
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Excatly, Val. Since I have the Get Lucky Tour recordings from Simfy, I can't stand listen to the passalong 2005 shows - Mark's voice was so much better in 2010. I hope for some 2008 stuff because I really liked that set list and some of the versions, True Love Will Never Fade for example...
Tunnel85 (blimey, what was your last avatar??? I can't remember... did you do a longer break around here??), IF Mark and Bob will tour together again,
I always thought it was clear that the only do the US this time, because Europe once more again is too close to last year. So would you attend some US shows?
LE
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I hope for some 2008 stuff because I really liked that set list and some of the versions, True Love Will Never Fade for example...
LE - I downloaded the Red Rocks and also the Charlotte 2008 shows and the quality is amazing - almost soundboard and both of these were fantastically performed! John McCusker was absent for Red Rocks, due to a visa problem, but he was at Charlotte and it is interesting to hear how the songs were performed with/without him! Both were extremely good! :)
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Oh, cool, thanks! Never thought about trying that. Are they still available? I am a little bit stupid about these things... Should I have a look at the Tracker or places like that? I thought it was a pity when John was absent and Sonny Liston returned to the set, I liked Postcards more. But last year, Sonny Liston
was a real burner - so rocking guitar, much more energy and great stuff... So maybe I will get some 2008 stuff, thanks again!
LE
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LE - If you have a problem downloading etc, I can send them to you on disc.
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Oh, thanks a lot... I was just browsing through all these shows on KnopflerTK and found some very astonishing stuff.. I have not time enough tonight but will come back to it. And maybe I might dare to send you a PM, Val! ;)
LE
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Yes, that's fine! btw I am just listening to "True Love......" from Charlotte - it's really nice! :)
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Tunnel85 (blimey, what was your last avatar??? I can't remember... did you do a longer break around here??), IF Mark and Bob will tour together again,
I always thought it was clear that the only do the US this time, because Europe once more again is too close to last year. So would you attend some US shows?
LE
My previous avatar was Blind Willie McTell. Maybe I'll get it back. TJW is not a nice one.
A break, that's the word. I wish my kids, my boss and my computer could give me a break sometimes. :P
I've been very busy over the last two or three months.
I won't attend any US show. :disbelief Too complicated and too expensive. I don't want my wife to kill me : I have plans for next European tour. :P
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I wasn't at the Manchester show but I seem to recall that it was all-seated. That alone would have affected the sound. But I did say that the sound was turned up during the set and stayed up. I don't know why. In such a close-to-the-front position as you had, ear-plugs would have would have reduced the impact of the bass sound, which can be the part of the sound spectrum that can have an adverse.
MK had a totally different band sound from Dylan, on this tour.
As for MK's album, I thought March 2011 was more like pre-production work than actually recording with the band. Weren't MK's recording sessions in the early summer last year? If my memory is correct on this and given that MK apparently spends a lot of time on post-production, then I'd've thought a September 2011 release was tight. As I've said before, drawing up an outline chronology would help.
And, anyway, you're still going to get all that, only later than you'd've liked. No big deal, really.
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Usual chronology would be starting serious recording in Jan to Feb, then mixing around May, release around September. Before all that, he takes his time and is in the studio only with Guy Fletcher and testing, fiddling around, and making first recordings, "working in the songs". When the band comes in, usually it all is recorded pretty fast, often in one takes. The US boys are not the ones for staying forever in London, and I think they are quite expensive, too. Betweeen mixing and release there is this gap of some months where record company work starts, making plans for promotion, producing, printing the stuff and making sure that the album is in the stores worldwide at the first day which needs some tricky work to do I am sure.
Since mixing has started and should be finished within the next two or three weeks, a release in July/August should be possible. Maybe Mark wants to take in the rush from the Olympic games and wants to hang as a poster at every subway store when all those extra million people are travelling in London...
LE
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I have little doubt that, if MK wishes to release his new album in the late summer this year, he will manage to do so.
My previous post was more about last year. In order to make that clearer, I've modified it.
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The rumours I heard were that recording had to end around late october early november, then december and january mixing, comping etc etc and the general idea was to repeat the Golden Heart / All the roadrunnning chronology, release in april / may and tour in june.
Then I heard that the plans were modified because of the film score and that probably the record and tour will be delayed one or two months, but then, something happened and I was told that everything will be more delayed and recordings will resume at the end of the year and probably beguining the next with mixing and comping in spring, and the reason cant be revelead. With some weeks my sources told me about the Dylan tour.
In the end the mixing took place before spring, but looks like other new thing, that it cant be said bit anyone knows that its the screaming Bob again, has made MK to cancel his previous commitment with the film score.
Tmw, MK doesnt take all that time to post-produce his records, his records are more than ready around march/april, but the record company thinks that september is the best month to release, it happened with all MK records since STP in 2000, with the only exception of All the roadrunning that was hurried up because the only gap to tour with Emmylou Harris was in may/june, so no chance to wait.
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Thank you. That's both interesting and helpful.
When you say ... but then, something happened and I was told that everything will be more delayed and recordings will resume at the end of the year and probably beguining the next with mixing and comping in spring, and the reason cant be revelead ... can you say when you were told this? Month? Date?
Similarly, in respect of .... With some weeks my sources told me about the Dylan tour ... can you also say when you were told this?
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I am only looking forward to those live recordings these days, honestly. The album will come, that is a definite, but the live recs are still in limbo...
Which live recordings are you talking about, pottel? The last BD/MK tour or the MK recordings that Guy mentioned? I would have thought you had all of those available from the BD tour, I know I have. I would much rather have a promo tour!
I think he's talking about the recordings the band has made since 2005.
About the second part Pottel surely has everything available. But you know in Dylan world, there always something cooking and you never know when it's gonna see the light.
Never ending tour, never ending releases. It just takes time but it's a continuous flood.
I don't believe how these guys can be slow sometimes to release things. :disbelief
wasn't it since 2001?? (and i truly think they started earlier...)
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Thank you. That's both interesting and helpful.
When you say ... but then, something happened and I was told that everything will be more delayed and recordings will resume at the end of the year and probably beguining the next with mixing and comping in spring, and the reason cant be revelead ... can you say when you were told this? Month? Date?
Similarly, in respect of .... With some weeks my sources told me about the Dylan tour ... can you also say when you were told this?
I cant remember when, but it was earlier than the rumours about MK joining Dylan started in forums etc and actually came from someone who is not in forums or mailing lists etc etc