A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Banjo99uk on January 19, 2010, 05:34:51 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8466797.stm
Hopefully one day MK will contribute as much to music as that gifted decorator from Stoke Robbie Williams.
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Nice to see though, usually DS are forgotten about in these things.
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Well out of that list I truelly believe Brotheres In Arms is the best album, but I'm sure Oasis will get it because like DS/MK just don't get the credit they deserve, but It would be great for music if it did win. Plus I think Mark should be in the producers list too.
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I think that Robbie Williams is a great pop act and should be simply taken as it.
But I think I care about the Brit Award as much as Mark (especially when nominated as "DS")...
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Yup, Robbie's good at what he does.
As for the Brits, I think Homer summed it up well in the episode where he went to the Grammy's with his barbershop group, "All we needed now was the approval of record company low-lifes."
These awards are mostly voted on by idiots who work for record companies whose opinions can immediately be dismissed. Occasionally though they are voted on by members of teh public, I wonder if that's the case with these "30 years" awards?
PS It does seem an odd list Keane and Travis are there but no Simply Red Stars?
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WE CAN VOTE:
http://www.brits.co.uk/voting
How can we rig this?
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Here is a blurb off the Brits site..
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WE CAN VOTE:
http://www.brits.co.uk/voting
How can we rig this?
rigging now...
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registered as an inhabitant of Crawley, UK. used a friends UK phone nr. and i was ready to go :-)
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We should start a Facebook campaign and all that jazz.
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Vote cast. I agree with Dusty. We need to mount a little campaign here.
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If you start a campaign it could easily backfire - as news gets round the Facebook faithful will in turn vote for their own favourites i.e. the Oasis mob etc. of which there are probably more Facebook users who like this particular act. And it will be detrimental to DSs chances. The campaign for RATM was an either/or and was a vote against the X factor that is all. Here there are more than one alternative choices and there is no axe to grind (as there was against Cowell).
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We can be v discreet! For eg use MK/DS fan groups on FB. Use GF, RB, MR FB groups - just mobilise the faithful! Perhaps Guy would mention on his site? Just a few ideas.
At the end of the day though, Mark probably doesn't give a toss, so perhaps not worth the effort after all?!. ;)
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And at the end of the day (to coin a phrase) why should we worry about it? You should want it to win on merit not because it is rigged. And if MK thought it was rigged he may choose not to accept it. I know I wouldn't be happy if I was him.
I would rather MK was presented with a worthy award not one which would inevitably be diluted by mass rigging of votes.
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The word "rig" was just a joke to suggest some sort of dodgy dealings but I don't think there's anything wrong with legitimately making people aware of this and urging them to vote for DS.
Anyway, I hear that BPDCEIDNP has started a Facebook campaign getting people to vote for the Phil Collins album.
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Agree with you there Dusty. Alerting folk of the opportunity to vote if they wish isn't rigging. I know that some months back John McCuscker used his Twitter account to advertise the fact that you could vote for him/his girlfriend in some Irish Folk awards if you wanted. Same kind of thing really.
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I've voted :)
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Voted, so has my Gran, my cats and my dead Great Auntie.
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Anyway, I hear that BPDCEIDNP has started a Facebook campaign getting people to vote for the Phil Collins album.
;D ;D ;D Maaaaan dusty, you misspelled it again, ;D ;D
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found some interesting feedback on the official David Gilmour blog.
http://www.davidgilmourblog.com/2010/01/album-of-30-years.html
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found some interesting feedback on the official David Gilmour blog.
http://www.davidgilmourblog.com/2010/01/album-of-30-years.html
Interesting article and I agree that the albums are not truly representative of the era they are from. And just for the record, Brothers in Arms is not one of my favourite albums, it is far from it. The reason it became so popular was totally on the back of Money For Nothing - and it became the most commercialised DS recording ever. Yes there are some catchy melodies on it, So far Away is amazing and Brothers in Arms needs no introduction but the rest, to me were just hangers-on. It was like a 'Best of Dire Straits 1985' album and it was squeezed so that every penny possible was gained from it. It also created a bandwagon and a new breed of followers that demanded single releases and it went against the whole ethos of what was, until then, Dire straits. The massive success of the album and the never-ending tour took it's toll on the band and led to them going their separate ways.
For me it was a sad era. The 'demise' of what once was my all time favourite band. Perhaps it is the 'trauma' of all the above that makes me distance myself from the album. Who knows!
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lol, but did you also read the comments from the readers of that blog?
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Whereas I think that the BIA album represents some of Mark's best songwriting. It's interesting to hear positive things about the singles but negative things about the more serious stuff; I find it's often the other way round among the fans.
Ride Across the River a hanger-on? It has great lyrics, killer guitar playing, and atmosphere to die for. It's vintage Knopfler. And the jazzy Latest Trick, the folksy Man's Too Strong, slap bass in One World. It's easily the broadest album by DS.
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Don't forget "Why Worry" - it's one of my all-time favourite MK/DS songs and although WOL has never been one of my favourites, it has been very popular over the years, even now! :)
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Sorry Val I forgot about Why Worry - class song. The thing with Walk of Life - even though I don't like to hear the song played I feel it is probably fun actually playing it. It has a rock 'n' roll 12 bar blues feel to it and is so easy that it must be so relaxing to play which is why a lot of bands do introduce some classic rock and roll into their sets just to let their hair down and get jamming! I remember early Queen used to play a rock n roll medley at the end of each set and it used to bore me to tears at the time but as I got older I appreciate those deviations more and think that they used it to escape from their 'day jobs' so to speak.
Perhaps i may have liked the album tracks more if I hadn't heard them played almost daily on the radio for the whole of 1985 and beyond. Perhaps I didn't have the inclination to go and listen to the album in a relaxing atmosphere after having the songs played down my throat. Perhaps the commercialism made me want to distance myself from it. I don't really know - psychology must play a big part here. But we all have our favourites and least favourites and some of us (including me) have our preference list(s) i.e. those tracks we/I prefer NOT to listen to ;)
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Funnily enough, I listened to BiA myself the other day for the first time in a while.
Money for Nothing is still my favourite record of all time, and the build up at the intro literally makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck every time. I also have a ritual that whenever I by a new piece of audio gear, MFN is the first thig I play o it to test it out.
The production is good, if a little dated. All the songs are good, with the exception of One World, which is a terrible, terrible song.
Although I was young I can remember it when it came out, MFN would have been a smash anyway but the video really ramped things up another notch. Add WoL and it became a must have album. And remember, WoL is the only MK/DS song that people dance to at weddings, and for that we should be happy. :)
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It also created a bandwagon and a new breed of followers
including me! ;D, (although I had heard about them before by a mate who was totally obsessed, I really started to listen to them from BIA....)
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Actually I just remembered something else. I lived in an upstairs apartment when BIA was released and my downstairs neighbours played it continually - even when they came in from the pub on a weekend right into the small hours. It literally drove me insane as I was sure it was the only CD they had (CDs hadn't long been out by then) and that they were going to wear it or the player out.
It's weird how our tatses differ so much even among a group of people who have a lot in common (i.e. MK) - for example Dusty's favourite track of all time is MFN and it probably is one of my least favourites - not just of Mks either.
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Yeah, it's not even close to being my favourite song of all time, but it's an amazing recording. As I've mentioned, the intro is great, but MK's guitar playing is incredible too. I mean, it's a great riff, but if you listen to it, he's actually playing the same part twice, panned left and right, but he's so good it sounds like oe guitar part, until the ed and he starts having fun.
Normally I'm a harsh critic of Guy's 80s syths, but his "stabs" on the DX7 really add to the track.
It's never worked live though. :-\
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I always enjoy listening to WOL, especially when my dog Lizzie is in the room. She dances to it. Your Latest Trick is one of his best understated masterpieces. :)
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MFN will barely make top 10 for my list of DS favorites. But I totally agreed with dusty about the guitar riff. It must have been one of the coolest riffs. Speaking from a point of view of a big MK fan. It was the first song my 12 year old son learned how to play when he was 11. It's his most favorite MK song of all time. And I think it's a wonderful song playing live.
So little has been said about "ride across the river", but it's always the first song I listen to on BIA and often I'll repeat it a few more times. I love everything about the song. especially the live version from Isreal.
Marie, agreed with you on "your latest trick" Love the sax part.
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I like MFN very much, but it's nice to have a rest from it for a few years in concert - not forever though! It does, actually, work for me live, especially Wembley '85 and I liked the 2005 Shangri-La versions a lot too. :)
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Yeah, it's not even close to being my favourite song of all time, but it's an amazing recording. As I've mentioned, the intro is great, but MK's guitar playing is incredible too. I mean, it's a great riff, but if you listen to it, he's actually playing the same part twice, panned left and right, but he's so good it sounds like oe guitar part, until the ed and he starts having fun.
Normally I'm a harsh critic of Guy's 80s syths, but his "stabs" on the DX7 really add to the track.
It's never worked live though. :-\
Dusty, are you saying there are two guitar tracks all the way through? Doesn't the second guitar come in now and then (or after awhile), like in the chorus and in the end. But not in the beginning?
I think MFN is great. The 1985 version had tremendous energy with Terry on them drums, and the 1991 version was great too. MK playing guitar solos without his brain but still fun. The solo years have treated MFN less well. 1996 was probably the best one, though the slide intro in 2001 was really cool. The 2005 version lacked energy.
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2005 version, unlike all previous tours does not feature rythm guitar on it.
It was a really great version full of energy when attending the show because you really had the "big sound" in the house that a recording can't capture (or that you can't reproduce at your home without waking up the whole neighbourhood) so I agree that the 96 live version is the more enjoyable to listen at home.
The studio version sound basically like getting mainly only one guitar on it. The thing is that if we exclude the opening riff which is really rock oriented the rest of the song is a mid tempo and somehow free jazz feeling song.
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Dusty, are you saying there are two guitar tracks all the way through? Doesn't the second guitar come in now and then (or after awhile), like in the chorus and in the end. But not in the beginning?
Well, I've got no way of knowing for sure but that's what it seems like to me. To my ears, MK is playing an identical part twice, making a "thicker" sound. It's kind of an old trick, though usually on vocals, all the early Beatles had vocal tracks recorded twice (they eventually invented "Automatic Double Tracking" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_double_tracking) and the Simon & Garfunkel records have both of them singing each of their parts twice.
But hey, I'm just guessing, I have no real way of knowing for sure. :)
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If it's an identical part and it was only 25 years ago - it is more likely it was just copied (rather than played) onto another track to give the thickening sound. Most recordings these days double up on guitars so that it fattens the sound, also useful for panning wide left and wide right too if you have two identical tracks.
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There is an interesting guitar mix on "Live In 85"
Not a DS boot but the official Eric Clapton Video. During the extended solo of "Same Old Blues" Eric's guitar is panned right and left with one channel whitout additionnal effect other than the satured tone whereas the other has the volume pedal (or whawha) on.
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Tonight's the night! Everyone keep their fingers crossed for BIA to win! :)
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Tonight's the night! Everyone keep their fingers crossed for BIA to win! :)
It would be brillant if it did & it would be 1,00000000000 times better than watching manu on the box:o
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A tenner says Oasis wins. :-\
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A tenner says Oasis wins. :-\
A tenner says the show won't be presented by Mick Fleetwood and Sam Fox! ;D
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ahhhhh DS didn't win!
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Oasis won! :( Right again, dusty! ;D
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It's usually the current in popularity who wins. :disbelief
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It's usually the current in popularity who wins. :disbelief
These things are always just popularity contests. In this instance the winner was not actually the best album of the past 30 years as they claim but the best album of the last 30 years according to BBC Radio 2 listeners that bothered to vote.
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I didn't think Oasis were very popular these days. I expected the winner to be Coldplay. I'm very disappointed BIA didn't win. :(
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They should be renamed the Shit Awards. What a load of drivel.
Was forced to watch Man U I'm afraid Dan!
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I cant say that I didnt buy WTSMG when it came out,good album :o :o - I think Peter Kay got it spot on though,Liam Gallagher is a knobhead :-* I've always thought that Noel was the most talented of the two.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkPDNoO8ZJU
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I notice that one of the remarks said BIA wasn't British and was not sure why it was even nominated! That just shows how knowledgeable the British public, in general, are about DS/MK! :-\
Thanks Dan! :)
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Was forced to watch Man U I'm afraid Dan!
I cant say that I didnt buy WTSMG when it came out,good album :o :o - I think Peter Kay got it spot on though,Liam Gallagher is a knobhead :-* I've always thought that Noel was the most talented of the two.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkPDNoO8ZJU
Arthur,as I was talking about knobheads,I think I'd rather watch Liam Gallagher :disbelief :disbelief ::) ::)
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I didn't think Oasis were very popular these days. I expected the winner to be Coldplay. I'm very disappointed BIA didn't win. :(
Oasis have been in the news lately with the split so it was pretty obvious where the award was heading and this staged outburst will no doubt get them some more publicity and shift a few more copies. This is exactly why controversial bands like this deserve nothing, yet seem to get success.
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I haven't listened to it in more than 10 years so I don't know how it stands up today, but as someone who was 18 when WTSMG came out I can certainly say it captured the zeitgeist at the time. It was an amazing year and that record was certainly the soundtrack to it.
I hooked up with one of my favourite ex-girlfriends after serenading her with an impromptu rendition of "Wonderwall" in February 1996. ;)
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I'd promised the wife that if BIA won the Brit, i'd run round the front room naked. :o :o
Lucky for her, Oasis won. :disbelief :disbelief :disbelief
I genuinely thought it might be in with a real chance. Oh well ???
Cheers BBB