A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2010 Get Lucky Tour => Topic started by: dustyvalentino on February 01, 2010, 05:11:32 PM
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From Dr Fletch
No plans. The recording policy will be similar to the last our, if not more strict.
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Wouldn't be surprised if they try to ban audio recordings as well.
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Hmmm, I think it would be near impossible and what would be the point of that?
For instance, if ALL recordings had been banned on the last tour and PCM had managed to be successful in doing that, no-one, except those at the concerts would have been able to hear those wonderful versions of HFB or Marbletown and even those people who attended would only be able to hear them again inside their own heads! Ridiculous! ::)
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Not possible to ban it. Especially we ladies have great places to hide recordingequipment and still find the right sound. As a proof, listen to the M&G Paris 2008 which I recorded with hidden equipment ;D
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Well if people don't respect the current rules they will enforce it.
And I am pretty sure that some will fought the law and video the show.
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ds1984, we are talking about the difference between audio and video.
audio is STIL allowed.
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Not possible to ban it. Especially we ladies have great places to hide recordingequipment and still find the right sound. As a proof, listen to the M&G Paris 2008 which I recorded with hidden equipment ;D
Agreed,impossible to ban it unless theyre going to strip search everyone going in to the concert :o :o :o :oI guarantee you that someone somewhere is plotting on how to get a video recording of one of the gigs - Pottel 8),I checked the ceiling out in the RAH - dont try it man its a long way down :P :P
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Yep, impossible to ban audio, but as we found out last tour it's impossible to ban video! The great Bolzano DVD proves that.
But I don't know what else Guy could be hinting at with his "more strict" comment. :-\
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I think the threat is more on still cameras than on audio. ???
It would be impossible and stupid to ban audio recordings. A big mistake, but we know it's no problem for them to make such a mistake (again).
They banned video recording because they are getting disturbed.
What would be the problem with audio ? lights ? screen ? tripod ? red light ? They can pretend whatever they want in their recording policy, most tapers are discrete and don't disturb anyone.
Obviously, some tapers would think it's a provocation and I wonder if the management would get the expected results. ::)
It could even encourage video taping. We have very few 2008 video recordings because there was very few tapers.
Most tapers did audio only because it was allowed. But if all recordings get banned, audio or video taping is the same problem and potential video tapers will be back. Com'on let's ban everything.
This is just a theory. I can't get into people's mind. I can imagine what I would love to do, though it's very unlikely. :'( Not my style to break the rules. ::) Not at all. ;)
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I had a big problem last tour with the RAH stewarts when recording AUDIO, they let me come back to my seat but they forbid me to continue recording...
A f*ck*ng red light in the recorder was the problem :(
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but that was the RAH itself, not Marks' people...
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This is a good example why taking some copy of the official policy with and check with the venue stewards before the show is a thing to do.
Because most band forbid recording, in doubt the stewards will assume that MK does not allow it. If you give them time to check before the show they can update their knowledge about it and clear the situation. And don't forget that in certain case this is a policy venue regardless of the artist tolerance.
And take some black rubber tape with you ;)
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Yes, but inside the venues, the own MK policy says they stick to the venue policy...
However in 2005 I recorded a show in the same RAH with a digital recorder with a mic clipped to my shirt, very small.
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And take some black rubber tape with you ;)
Thats clever!!!! ;D
This is what I managed to record before they caught me http://tracker.knopflertk.net/torrents-details.php?id=761 (http://tracker.knopflertk.net/torrents-details.php?id=761)
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I have to say last time Noddy saved my recording.
Had that red light and no time to learn how to disable. I looked into my bag and found a few nice Noddy stickers that I had bought for my daughter. Very useful to hide the light. One of the best taping accessories I've ever had.
jbaent, your story is just the kind of story that make me consider that the recording policy is unfair.
If they don't respect their part of the deal, why should we respect ours ? ???
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If they don't respect their part of the deal, why should we respect ours ? ???
I would not go like that. There is no deal. Basically you have no right, you have bough rights to record. Just that Mark and his management granted you an authorization in term that they "do not opposse them to you to record". So you still depend of good will of the venue - even if it is frustrating.
Anyway allowed or not, people will record, this is part of the unwritten game. I have some magnificient audio recording from Gilmour last tour. They were not authorized but they exist - at least one per show and many with several recorders - ann dvideo too. Neither authorized were videoing Pink Floyd last tour. That did not prevent some hardcore fan to do it and send the tape to Mr Gilmour when asked to be included in the DVD release of Pulse (under the name "bootlegging the bootlegger"). Because the band had made audio recording but not film, they had to rely on loyal fan who broke their law. Funny isn't it?
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I just hide the recorder discreetly in my anus.
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and i know the guy that organised that, he even sentit to Gilmour's pivate address, who was very surprised of that :-)
ds1984, maybe i got some stuff you haven't and vice versa, trade?
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and i know the guy that organised that, he even sentit to Gilmour's pivate address, who was very surprised of that :-)
ds1984, maybe i got some stuff you haven't and vice versa, trade?
My 2006 Gilmour stuff comes from DAD and Yeeshskul so I assume you should already have it.
My N
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As jbaent's experience demonstrates, whether MK allows or doesn't allow taping really is meaningless, as most of the venues MK plays in the US and Europe don't allow taping anyway. The only scenario where taping would be absolutely allowed is when the band specifically instructs the venue to allow taping, and usually there is an extra fee involved that the band has to pay! (As what happened last year on the Nine Inch Nails tour.)
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I have to get a discreet microphone!
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As jbaent's experience demonstrates, whether MK allows or doesn't allow taping really is meaningless, as most of the venues MK plays in the US and Europe don't allow taping anyway. The only scenario where taping would be absolutely allowed is when the band specifically instructs the venue to allow taping, and usually there is an extra fee involved that the band has to pay! (As what happened last year on the Nine Inch Nails tour.)
I don't agree for Europe. PC is normally doing a meeting at everyshow with the locla security about the subject. Most venue who forbid recording are doing it assuming that the artist are forbididng it, only a minority of venue does have a strict policy of not allowed recording. So once the meeting is done the problem is that everybody in the security team has to be informed.
The same problem goes with some venue when security try to prevent people to stand up and rush upfront for the encore and that Mark need then to use his special flying towel ;D
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I was actually standing a few feet away from PC when he was holding one of those policy meetings with directors of a venue in 2005. Quite informal, in a hallway.
It was only about half an hour before they began allowing people into the concert, but it seemed all the ushers/security got the word in time about cameras and recording because they were quite nice about it. It was a small venue.
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As jbaent's experience demonstrates, whether MK allows or doesn't allow taping really is meaningless, as most of the venues MK plays in the US and Europe don't allow taping anyway. The only scenario where taping would be absolutely allowed is when the band specifically instructs the venue to allow taping, and usually there is an extra fee involved that the band has to pay! (As what happened last year on the Nine Inch Nails tour.)
I don't agree for Europe. PC is normally doing a meeting at everyshow with the locla security about the subject. Most venue who forbid recording are doing it assuming that the artist are forbididng it, only a minority of venue does have a strict policy of not allowed recording. So once the meeting is done the problem is that everybody in the security team has to be informed.
The same problem goes with some venue when security try to prevent people to stand up and rush upfront for the encore and that Mark need then to use his special flying towel ;D
remember cologne 2005 or hannover 2008....
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I still love the memory of Cologne 2005, you beep .... etc
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I am planning to sneak my camera in anyway this time. Cause, during KTGC , I felt like kicking myself for not doing so. I've already assigned one of my boys the job to do the recording. We're going to be up in the balcony center in Oakland. The filming position won't be too conspicuous, so I 'm confident that I'll get away with being caught. (hopefully!) Besides, I know that a lot other fans will be taking pictures and filming. So, I don't think I care. Plus I'd love to share whatever I can get with everybody. My only concern is the quality of the filming. I got a Nikon s600 digital camera with video feature. It has done a pretty good job for me so far.
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Be careful, SweetSurrender. First time, better to try the audio. I've seen fans kicked out twice last tour (in Berkeley and in Jacksonville) for video recording. I know it would break your heart to be kicked out from your first concert. It was Mark himself who pointed at a fan in Berkeley, and it was quite a frown on his face. Someone up high, extreme stage right got some videos, but I'd recommend not taking the chance. Audio you can probably get away with, and people would be very grateful for your audio recording.
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Thanks Marie for the warning. I'd better not then !!! I didn't realize that's what happened in Berkeley. I was there. Then again, there were thousands of people that day, some must have got away. (there were a couple of videos on Youtube from Berkeley show) It would absolutely break my heart if that were to happen, so I guess I'll just enjoy the concert and let somebody else do the recording which I'm sure will surface somewhere, sometime.
Do you think that I should bring my camera? Maybe just a few pictures ?
thanks,
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I just hide the recorder discreetly in my anus.
Is that why sometimes you talk a load of **** Dusty? lol just joking - it is all good stuff :)
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Yes, do take the camera, and listen to PC's announcement at the beginning of the concert. People are speculating that perhaps still photos will be banned. I hope not. That would be terrible. But take the camera just in case. I used my still camera in Berkeley last time, and got some nice pics. Use the correct setting on the camera, and you wont' even need a flash.
Try to get audio, if you can. There are usually a couple of good recorders in Berkeley who share, but it doesn't hurt to have another audio.
:)
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Useful advice : turn "off" the fucking flash from your camera.
In concert completly useless on you camera : if there is enough light on stage the picture will be ok otherwise not and all that your flash can do is to upset the musician.
If you can't turn your flash off put black rubber tape on it...
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And if you want to film it, also tape the red and/or yellow lights with black tape. Otherwise you can be found very easily ;)
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And know where the security guards are. In Berkeley, when I tried to climb over a rail to get down to where Val was, the guard was righ there! Nice about it, but right there. ;D And in Jacksonville, the blasted guard crouched in front of the stage, right in front of me the whole concert, until Mark made a remark about him. I think he just anted a good seat within spitting distance. ;D ;D
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I just hide the recorder discreetly in my anus.
Bad idea once they start strip searching us. And these days they might as well...
Luckily, I've only been held up at the door once, but still managed to get a complete recording of the show. That is, after I realized that night that the VW arena in Manchester, New Hampshire is equipped with a back entrance. 8) Definitely a night I will never forget.
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The tape or the camera?
Pottel did you remember this story that happened to a Gilmour fan caught filming one of the Gilmour 2006 US tour?
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Bad idea once they start strip searching us. And these days they might as well...
We got searched at the Led Zep gig in London in 2007, but some people still managed to film it...
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Bad idea once they start strip searching us. And these days they might as well...
We got searched at the Led Zep gig in London in 2007, but some people still managed to film it...
Well, of course, there always will be. (I was making a joke about the strip search. Obviously, that will probably never happen.) There's a venue is Las Vegas that has airport walk through style metal detectors and recordings from that venue still come up all the time.
Here's something else that is pretty strange...at one show I went to early last year, they were checking people with wand type metal detectors. Now, this venue is in Newark, NJ, the arm pit of this country, so no surprise there. However to my amazement, the security guy brushed that device right over some of my concealed gear that is almost all metal and it didn't go off. It still kind of baffles me to this day, although I have a feeling it was just "for show" and wasn't even turned on...or maybe the batteries were dead... :P
Ever go through that type of security for a concert in Europe? I'm guessing probably not...
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Well yeah, the Led Zep thing was to that level, I remember re-assuring the security guard that my syringe and inhaler was because I'm diabetic and asthmatic. :o
Worst I saw was in Houston Texas 1993, went to see the Dixie Chicks just after they had dissed Bush and were getting death threats. :-\
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Damn. Wait a second. You went to see the Dixie Chicks? In 1993? :o
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Bad idea once they start strip searching us. And these days they might as well...
We got searched at the Led Zep gig in London in 2007, but some people still managed to film it...
Well, of course, there always will be. (I was making a joke about the strip search. Obviously, that will probably never happen.) There's a venue is Las Vegas that has airport walk through style metal detectors and recordings from that venue still come up all the time.
Here's something else that is pretty strange...at one show I went to early last year, they were checking people with wand type metal detectors. Now, this venue is in Newark, NJ, the arm pit of this country, so no surprise there. However to my amazement, the security guy brushed that device right over some of my concealed gear that is almost all metal and it didn't go off. It still kind of baffles me to this day, although I have a feeling it was just "for show" and wasn't even turned on...or maybe the batteries were dead... :P
Ever go through that type of security for a concert in Europe? I'm guessing probably not...
yup, i have. u2 is just one example.
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Damn. Wait a second. You went to see the Dixie Chicks? In 1993? :o
Oops, 2003. I guess in 1993 they would be complaining about Bush Sr. :)
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In 1993 they were still dissing their middle school principal.
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I too think that the "more strict" comment is about photo, not audio. The reason they banned video recording is because of the thousands of video recorders and mobile phone being held in the air. It's disturbing to the band and the rest of the audience.
Audio recording doesn't bother anybody (unless you keep shushing your neighbour who screams hysterically I loooooooove youuuuuu maaaaarrrk every time he plays a note, but you would do everybody else a favour by shutting her up).
Having thousands of cameras held up in the air (and the thousands of flashes that go with them) must be very disturbing too....
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I agree entirely, Nat. Hundreds of mobile phones held aloft is just as distracting as video cameras, especially as many people still insist on using flash! :disbelief It's a difficult one, because it's not really possible to ban mobiles! The best idea is to save the pictures 'til the end of the show, or a suitable break between songs. Audio causes no problems as far as I can see.
BTW Nice to have a couple of new emoticons! :lol
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They'll never stop the mobile phone brigade though, no matter how severe the threat from Mr Crockford becomes because people will take their phones with them anyway due to the fact that they are also quite handy for making calls! ;D
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Now there is an annoying thought--some jerk sitting next to me calling his mama to tell her how much he's enjoying the show and why doesn't mk play mfn and please pick him up a pack of beer for when he gets home because he forgot. :disbelief
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dmg, Just about everyone will have a mobile with them, purely for making and taking calls - if only for an emergency or ringing for a cab, etc. It is just not possible to ban them, or take them away from people - there would be mayhem if the management tried going down that road!
They should be turned off during the gig, though! :)
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The best idea is to save the pictures 'til the end of the show, or a suitable break between songs.
Apparently (according to GF), this has been tried, and guess what? it failed! ::)
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On the 2005(?) tour at one of the UK(?) shows, MK took someone's cell phone away from them, put it on top of his amp, and gave it back to him at the end of the show. I believe the situation was that the guy was trying to get MK to take a picture of the crowd.
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ROFL Marie! ;D
I read about taping the flash light of the camera's. Does that really work? ::) .....IF it works it is a great idea and I might take my little digital with me! ;D I think it is better not to take the Nikon reflex camera inside, it makes a noice when I take pictures!
Fieneke
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dmg, Just about everyone will have a mobile with them, purely for making and taking calls - if only for an emergency or ringing for a cab, etc. It is just not possible to ban them, or take them away from people - there would be mayhem if the management tried going down that road!
They should be turned off during the gig, though! :)
I wholeheartedly agree with that, but my point was that people will have them at the show for making calls (perhaps phoning for a taxi or to meet friends after the show) and no amount of threats from PC will stop people from taking their mobile phones to the show.
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ROFL Marie! ;D
I read about taping the flash light of the camera's. Does that really work? ::) .....IF it works it is a great idea and I might take my little digital with me! ;D I think it is better not to take the Nikon reflex camera inside, it makes a noice when I take pictures!
Fieneke
Just turn off the flash Fieneke - it isn't permanent - if you have a handbook it will tell you how.
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dmg, Just about everyone will have a mobile with them, purely for making and taking calls - if only for an emergency or ringing for a cab, etc. It is just not possible to ban them, or take them away from people - there would be mayhem if the management tried going down that road!
They should be turned off during the gig, though! :)
I wholeheartedly agree with that, but my point was that people will have them at the show for making calls (perhaps phoning for a taxi or to meet friends after the show) and no amount of threats from PC will stop people from taking their mobile phones to the show.
dmg - I think we are in full agreement on the same point! ;D
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I'm used to make pictures at the gigs but i ALWAY turn off the Flash and the little red light...
So i don't think i disturb them...I hope they won't ban photos...
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Thank you Simon! I will practise before the concerts and see if it works! LOL ;D
Fieneke
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Sometime i phone to my parents during a gig... buuuuut I DON'T talk shhhhhh! It is just to make them listen a song !
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I'm used to make pictures at the gigs but i ALWAY turn off the Flash and the little red light...
So i don't think i disturb them...I hope they won't ban photos...
I hope so. ;D We would miss your nice photos Nelly ;)
So they would ban videos, photos, mobile phones ? audio also ? what else ?
don't let you enter if you wear a hawaiian shirt or have long hair ?
Sir, yes sir !!! :-X
Don't they understand they are a rock band ? An audience with no freedom is not an audience.
According to their recording policy, I'd better bring a jackhammer than a camcorder.
Not sure it's not disturbing but at least it follows the recording policy.
Please don't ask us to have a stupid behavior !
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A ban on Hawaiin shirts? Long hair?
Guy Fletcher better make sure he keeps his ID with him, otherwise he might not get back on stage after his comfort break during Sultans of Swing.
I think the new recording policy should be very short and very simple. "Photos and recordings are OK, but DON'T FLASH THE BAND!"
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Thank you Simon! I will practise before the concerts and see if it works! LOL ;D
Fieneke
When you find out let me know how please:-)
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"Photos and recordings are OK, but DON'T FLASH THE BAND!"
damn! alright girls, plan B!
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"Photos and recordings are OK, but DON'T FLASH THE BAND!"
damn! alright girls, plan B!
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When I first read it I did not tough about that meaning.
But I wonder how the band and security team would react to it if this should happen by an exclusive girly first row.
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"Photos and recordings are OK, but DON'T FLASH THE BAND!"
damn! alright girls, plan B!
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When I first read it I did not tough about that meaning.
But I wonder how the band and security team would react to it if this should happen by an exclusive girly first row.
I know how I would react! ;)
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Flash off
Autofocus light off
Camera sound off
Picture preview (display) off
Mouth shut ::)
I often wonder why people can't respect these easy rules
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Flash off
Autofocus light off
Camera sound off
Picture preview (display) off
Mouth shut ::)
I often wonder why people can't respect these easy rules
Problem Solved,If they include this in the Policy. ;D
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I've been thinking about whether SLR's should be brought to concerts at all. I've had one for a couple of months now and I love it but the "click" they make can be really annoying, especially during quiet passages. I always get lots of angry looks at the theatre when I have to take pictures for my local paper. I LOVE good pictures but during the last tour I had a guy with a big fat Canon Eos sitting next to me and I really wanted to slap him everytime I heard that "clickety click". So, as much as I'd love to take my own SLR with me and take pictures for my newspaper I'm not sure if I will.
BTW, hi there man on a track, good to see you!
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I've been thinking about whether SLR's should be brought to concerts at all. I've had one for a couple of months now and I love it but the "click" they make can be really annoying, especially during quiet passages. I always get lots of angry looks at the theatre when I have to take pictures for my local paper. I LOVE good pictures but during the last tour I had a guy with a big fat Canon Eos sitting next to me and I really wanted to slap him everytime I heard that "clickety click". So, as much as I'd love to take my own SLR with me and take pictures for my newspaper I'm not sure if I will.
BTW, hi there man on a track, good to see you!
That loud click from SLR's (as you're no doubt aware) is a result of not only the shutter firing but also the mirror having to move up and down in the pentaprism. I use Leica rangefinders (an M4 and M6) and they are really quiet further enhanced by the cloth shutters. I've read that they are the only cameras they will allow on film sets due to their quiet operation and lack of electronics.
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I've been thinking about whether SLR's should be brought to concerts at all. I've had one for a couple of months now and I love it but the "click" they make can be really annoying, especially during quiet passages. I always get lots of angry looks at the theatre when I have to take pictures for my local paper. I LOVE good pictures but during the last tour I had a guy with a big fat Canon Eos sitting next to me and I really wanted to slap him everytime I heard that "clickety click".
Very true, and even more, the policy had in the past always stated NOT to bring professional cameras...
I hate that click, too, but many people don't even switch off the artificial "click" of their compact cams! :disbelief
BTW, hi there man on a track, good to see you!
Thanks Goldenheart! ;) Wie schoen ist das denn! ;D
I've always been here, I'm just not a regular poster at all... :P
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I've been thinking about whether SLR's should be brought to concerts at all. I've had one for a couple of months now and I love it but the "click" they make can be really annoying, especially during quiet passages. I always get lots of angry looks at the theatre when I have to take pictures for my local paper. I LOVE good pictures but during the last tour I had a guy with a big fat Canon Eos sitting next to me and I really wanted to slap him everytime I heard that "clickety click". So, as much as I'd love to take my own SLR with me and take pictures for my newspaper I'm not sure if I will.
BTW, hi there man on a track, good to see you!
Correct me if i am wrong but i would have thought that taking pics for anything other than your own personal use goes against the recording policy. I am sure the last thing MK wants is to see 'unofficial' pics appearing in newsprint. That is just the same as having 'unofficial' recordings made available for distribution.
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Correct me if i am wrong but i would have thought that taking pics for anything other than your own personal use goes against the recording policy. I am sure the last thing MK wants is to see 'unofficial' pics appearing in newsprint. That is just the same as having 'unofficial' recordings made available for distribution.
You think MK will be bothered about some pictures which appear in some unknown local paper? Besides, I can prove that I work for the press. He can call my chief editor if he wants ;D And as far as I know, press pictures are okay. There are plenty of "official" photographers at concerts. And MK better cares for them because without those press people, and with that almost nonexistent promotion, who knows if the ordinary music fan would still come to see him.
If you want to stop the distribution of fan pictures and the pictures of fans like me who happen to work for a newspaper and write about MK because they want to share the joy of the concert, you cut yourself into your own flesh, as the German saying goes.
The only thing I'm concerned about, like I said before, is that MK and other fans might be disturbed by a SLR camera so I'm not sure if I'll bring it along or if I let my newspaper buy some agency picture.
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You should do the latter. I am not sure if MK is really so positive with press people. I remember him as one of the artists that made a boycott against press photographers. I think he always allows photos only during the first two or three songs and you have to be a accreditation for making pictures during the show.
I know of course that I also have a look at all those phantastic fan pics that have been made, and somebody has to do them, so I can't say I am against it. But it is always the same image isn't it: MK with a red guitar, MK with a silver guitar, MK with a Martin guitar... and he is not going to look nicer I fear.... :lol :lol
ooooh boy, now I have the drooling section against me....
LE
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Especially the last paragraphs are about MK in this "Stern" article:
http://www.stern.de/kultur/musik/konzertfotos-mit-boykott-gegen-knebelvertraege-617610.html (http://www.stern.de/kultur/musik/konzertfotos-mit-boykott-gegen-knebelvertraege-617610.html)
LE
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Correct me if i am wrong but i would have thought that taking pics for anything other than your own personal use goes against the recording policy. I am sure the last thing MK wants is to see 'unofficial' pics appearing in newsprint. That is just the same as having 'unofficial' recordings made available for distribution.
You think MK will be bothered about some pictures which appear in some unknown local paper? Besides, I can prove that I work for the press. He can call my chief editor if he wants ;D And as far as I know, press pictures are okay. There are plenty of "official" photographers at concerts. And MK better cares for them because without those press people, and with that almost nonexistent promotion, who knows if the ordinary music fan would still come to see him.
If you want to stop the distribution of fan pictures and the pictures of fans like me who happen to work for a newspaper and write about MK because they want to share the joy of the concert, you cut yourself into your own flesh, as the German saying goes.
The only thing I'm concerned about, like I said before, is that MK and other fans might be disturbed by a SLR camera so I'm not sure if I'll bring it along or if I let my newspaper buy some agency picture.
There is a huge difference though between being an official press photographer who has to show his/her credentials to get into a show and an unofficial photographer who happens to work for a newspaper. It is exactly the same as an official recording being made of the show and an unofficial one being made by a professional recorder. I really do not think MK would be happy at this and am sure it goes against his policies and if it threatens the rest of his fans taking pics and making recordings for their own personal use or for distribution without costs involved then perhaps it should be reconsidered.
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Despite all the positive and nagative bickering we have here about photo and recording, I think I'll still take a chance with my little digital camera anyway. It's sort of like when you go on a vacation and you want to take pictures of places you see as souveniurs. Closing my eyes and relive the momories in my head is not enough for me , I need hard copies to admire and share with friends. ha...ha.... I 'll be very discreet.
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I think a digital camera should be OK between songs and at the encores. I hope so anyway, because it would be a shame not to have anything as a reminder of a great experience! :)
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Blimey, it seems PC and MK are reading this! Today, the Camera Policy has been updated, as posted on MKNews:
PHOTOGRAPHY & RECORDING
OF GIGS
Official Policy Statement
Updated: 10 March 2010
It has been noticed that there are increasing numbers of fans filming the shows. This is becoming very distracting for the band and also irritates many people in the audience. Everyone should be able to enjoy the concert without interference from fellow fans.
Please note that starting with immediate effect, cameras/equipment used for recording moving pictures (DVD/video/cine, etc), e.g video/DVD/film cameras, will not be permitted in any part of the venue. Single shot cameras and audio are still okay but please be mindful of your fellow fans.
Standard 35mm film, digital cameras and compact point-and-shoot models are allowed provided they do not obstruct the view of other fans. Any camera with a removable lens is not permitted.
Professional cameras or other equipment, including tripods, are not allowed unless the user has the appropriate working media credential. Personal photography or video may NOT be used to reproduce the concert for commercial purposes.
Please note that this camera policy is subject to change for any event based on the requests of the venue or promoters. Where an individual venue does not permit ANY type of recording/photographic equipment (including audio, SLRs, digital compacts, etc) then the policy of that venue will be respected. In cases where the venue says they bow to the policy of the artist, it is recommended that you take a printout of this policy with you on the night of the concert.
Paul Crockford
PCM (10/03/10)
There are not very much new aspects in it, but I thought it might help this thread to have the "newest" edition!
LE
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I can't see any difference with the previous one. Still photos and audio OK, film not OK
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Only the date is different! No change then! :)
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There is a part that looks confusing to me:
PHOTOGRAPHY & RECORDING
OF GIGS
Official Policy Statement
Updated: 10 March 2010
Standard 35mm film, digital cameras and compact point-and-shoot models are allowed provided they do not obstruct the view of other fans. Any camera with a removable lens is not permitted.
Paul Crockford
PCM (10/03/10)
So, we can film the show with a 35 mm film cammera? And what's that? Sorry for my ignorance, but it looks that we have a little door to video tape the shows here, isn
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jbaent - 35mm film cameras are the old-fashioned type of still camera, where a film is required, before the days of digital cameras. It is not a movie camera. ;)
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A SLR camera is forbidden... That's a pity :'(
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So now I don't have to worry about bringing my digital camera to take some pictures and film the show too ? :) Yeah !!!!! way to go....
I'm truly surprised that MK would throw his fans out ! That's doesn't sound like our beloved MK.
As long as people are curteous to each other, everything should be OK. What I don't like are those over zealous security guys and gals who keep prevent fans to even get up to dance. They should be the ones that get thrown out. I'll bring a copy of the policy anyway just in case.
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The video part of the statement is still very unfair. :disbelief
They had two years to find smart solutions (like allowing die hard fans to film from a very restricted section) and what happened ?
Nothing. And they banned SLR cameras.
Back to the Middle Ages. Are Polaroid allowed ?
Hopefully we've also had these two years to find our own solutions and adapt our strategy. ::)
I'm really optimistic. It can't be worse than last time. ;)
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The video part of the statement is still very unfair. :disbelief
They had two years to find smart solutions (like allowing die hard fans to film from a very restricted section) and what happened ?
Nothing. And they banned SLR cameras.
Back to the Middle Ages. Are Polaroid allowed ?
Hopefully we've also had these two years to find our own solutions and adapt our strategy. ::)
I'm really optimistic. It can't be worse than last time. ;)
Don't really see how this is unfair. MK had a very liberal policy on video for years and unfortunately it was abused and revoked. I can't say I'm happy about it but I can understand why MK did it. The only thing I really feel sad about is the fact that MK got so obsessed by it, pointing at cameras instead of playing his guitar etc. :-\
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exactly dusty.
hey tunnel85, focus your attention on audio :-)
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Hey listen IMO this recording issue is like telling a child that they cant have something.As we know only too well there are people out there that will do anything or go anywhere to get what they want so are you telling me that a video recording of a show or several shows wont show up - of course they will :o.Just last week we hear that the England soccer team's meeting may have been bugged,John Terry was nearly set up by two well known pranksters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4mVFd_w8Ro
who have shown up at several sports events including posing in a man u team pic in 2002,so people will get anywhere or do anything to get what they want.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2010/article-1257072/How-did-notorious-pranksters-country-England-s-team-hotel.html
- my point is that no matter what MK or PC say its going to happen so I dont see why people are getting so upset about it. I can understand that people want to have some bit of footage that they recorded themselves but su're how many of us have that - we all have boots or multicams that were recorded by someone else ::)
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The disappointing effect fo his aggressive pointing at people filming is amplified by the fact that he was previously allowing video recording.
The precise reason why Mark changed his mind is still a bit obscure to me. Behaving from people filming with annoyance for the band, annoyance for others attending the show, show made available on Youtube? Remember that filming was still allowed on the first night of the KTGC tour and suddenly we got the news by word of mouth on the day of the second show. And people who were filming front row were politely asked to stop [by PC himself if I remember well]. This is a bit later during the tour that Mark started to point (at least in Belgium).
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The disappointing effect fo his aggressive pointing at people filming is amplified by the fact that he was previously allowing video recording.
The precise reason why Mark changed his mind is still a bit obscure to me. Behaving from people filming with annoyance for the band, annoyance for others attending the show, show made available on Youtube? Remember that filming was still allowed on the first night of the KTGC tour and suddenly we got the news by word of mouth on the day of the second show. And people who were filming front row were politely asked to stop [by PC himself if I remember well]. This is a bit later during the tour that Mark started to point (at least in Belgium).
Seems fairly clear, whereas in the past you may have had one or two people scattered throughout a venue discreetly filming, in Amsterdam there were dozens of filmers waving their cameras about right in the front row including one idiot with a tripod.
To be honest this may have been bad luck. If the tour had started at any other venue that WAS NOT general admission, the filmers would have been spread apart and the band may not have noticed, but having so many of them all right down at the front obviously drew attention to the issue. :-\
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Hey listen IMO this recording issue is like telling a child that they cant have something.As we know only too well there are people out there that will do anything or go anywhere to get what they want so are you telling me that a video recording of a show or several shows wont show up - of course they will :o.Just last week we hear that the England soccer team's meeting may have been bugged,John Terry was nearly set up by two well known pranksters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4mVFd_w8Ro
who have shown up at several sports events including posing in a man u team pic in 2002,so people will get anywhere or do anything to get what they want.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2010/article-1257072/How-did-notorious-pranksters-country-England-s-team-hotel.html
- my point is that no matter what MK or PC say its going to happen so I dont see why people are getting so upset about it. I can understand that people want to have some bit of footage that they recorded themselves but su're how many of us have that - we all have boots or multicams that were recorded by someone else ::)
Well said waterline man !! And I'm thankful to all the filmers who share on the tracker.
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The disappointing effect fo his aggressive pointing at people filming is amplified by the fact that he was previously allowing video recording.
The precise reason why Mark changed his mind is still a bit obscure to me. Behaving from people filming with annoyance for the band, annoyance for others attending the show, show made available on Youtube? Remember that filming was still allowed on the first night of the KTGC tour and suddenly we got the news by word of mouth on the day of the second show. And people who were filming front row were politely asked to stop [by PC himself if I remember well]. This is a bit later during the tour that Mark started to point (at least in Belgium).
Seems fairly clear, whereas in the past you may have had one or two people scattered throughout a venue discreetly filming, in Amsterdam there were dozens of filmers waving their cameras about right in the front row including one idiot with a tripod.
To be honest this may have been bad luck. If the tour had started at any other venue that WAS NOT general admission, the filmers would have been spread apart and the band may not have noticed, but having so many of them all right down at the front obviously drew attention to the issue. :-\
Thanks for clearing that up Dusty! General admission has never been used in Sweden so I was wondering about all those cameras... With the pre-sales for fans, however, the same phenomenon might have been at other venues.
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I was in Amsterdam, at the front, on both nights and on the second night we were much more tightly packed and even though we had been told that filming was banned, there were still masses of people with cameras held above their heads filming and it was incredibly irritating!
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I was in Amsterdam, at the front, on both nights and on the second night we were much more tightly packed and even though we had been told that filming was banned, there were still masses of people with cameras held above their heads filming and it was incredibly irritating!
My personal opinion is that they want to try to stop people recording by waving their mobile phones about in the arena areas annoying their fellow fans and the band. The clips they provide and upload to You'reAtube are also of inferior quality and that is annoying too. They surely can't be annoyed by a few people with cam corders, I mean people have been doing that for decades now but recording with mobile phones has only become more popular in recent times. Just my thoughts but I totally disagree with the way the fans are treated over this issue and think the band should just put up with it like many other artists do.
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yup, i think with the rise of more powerful mobile phones, waving above heads all night the problem has started...
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The disappointing effect fo his aggressive pointing at people filming is amplified by the fact that he was previously allowing video recording.
The precise reason why Mark changed his mind is still a bit obscure to me. Behaving from people filming with annoyance for the band, annoyance for others attending the show, show made available on Youtube? Remember that filming was still allowed on the first night of the KTGC tour and suddenly we got the news by word of mouth on the day of the second show. And people who were filming front row were politely asked to stop [by PC himself if I remember well]. This is a bit later during the tour that Mark started to point (at least in Belgium).
Seems fairly clear, whereas in the past you may have had one or two people scattered throughout a venue discreetly filming, in Amsterdam there were dozens of filmers waving their cameras about right in the front row including one idiot with a tripod.
To be honest this may have been bad luck. If the tour had started at any other venue that WAS NOT general admission, the filmers would have been spread apart and the band may not have noticed, but having so many of them all right down at the front obviously drew attention to the issue. :-\
Yes! And that man with the tripod told me not to speak with my mate!!, because he was filming! That's absurd! Isn't it??
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From time to time we should all remind ourselves that we are the "get-a-lifers", as MK and the band call us. We are a little minority with special interests. Most of the fans couldn't care less about filming or recording. And they are the ones that buy most tickets and albums. I don't find it strange that MK doesn't care too much about our special needs. For most people a concert is something you enjoy in the concert hall, and then you go home and think about it. Thats it. And those are the ones MK puts on his shows for, not us. Completely understandable, if you ask me.
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Alright, I will try to get in contact with the concert promoter and see if I can get an official press credential. Then I'd be allowed to take pictures during the first three songs. Otherwise I'll leave my SLR at home since they won't be allowed anyway (if I understand it correctly, "cameras with removable lenses" include SLR's). I won't take my compact camera with me either. The pictures will be crappy anyway and there will be plenty of others, more or less successful, and more or less annoying. Seriously, I don't know what to think about all of this anymore.
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From what I remember SLRs with lenses greater than 75mm were banned under the old policy anyway. I guess banning them completely makes it easier for the policy to be policed as I imagine most people taking an SLR would use a longer focal length (I certainly wouldn't bother with anything less than 150mm).
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2 weeks ago I went on holiday to Iceland. On the airport I wanted to buy a new camera. Martina recommended the Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ7. I just bought it, without looking to it at all. Made awesome pictures in Iceland. It has 12x zoom, Leica lens 25mm. 10,1mio pixels. This will do coming tour ;D :D :)
I am very happy with this new camera, thanks again for the great advice Martina ;)
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2 weeks ago I went on holiday to Iceland. On the airport I wanted to buy a new camera. Martina recommended the Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ7. I just bought it, without looking to it at all. Made awesome pictures in Iceland. It has 12x zoom, Leica lens 25mm. 10,1mio pixels. This will do coming tour ;D :D :)
I am very happy with this new camera, thanks again for the great advice Martina ;)
Watch out. If it looks as professional as it sounds, PC will kick your butt ;D Only kidding of course.
Personally, I will never buy a compact camera again. Nothing can beat a SLR, even if it has less megapixels (mine has 8 ).
I'll take a photography class this summer to improve my skills (which is always useful if you work for the press). And then, if I want to, I may buy a better SLR one day. I'd rather spend a bit more money on professional equipment than on compact cameras. Just MHO of course. I have to agree, though, that compact cameras are more handy and sufficient if you want to take some nice snapshots. Or smuggle them in to MK concerts ;D
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I agree with you Miriam, but I am too lazy to do photography class and I want to, need to, have to get a camera into the venue :D
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I agree with you Miriam, but I am too lazy to do photography class and I want to, need to, have to get a camera into the venue :D
Sounds reasonable to me ;D
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I don't find it strange that MK doesn't care too much about our special needs. For most people a concert is something you enjoy in the concert hall, and then you go home and think about it. Thats it. And those are the ones MK puts on his shows for, not us. Completely understandable, if you ask me.
Yes, Mossguitar, this could btw be exactly the reason why he doesn't put out more DVD's. A "shared musical experience", as he once called it in an interview, needs not only the attendant but also the musician. Not that I completely agree with it... :lol
LE
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2 weeks ago I went on holiday to Iceland. On the airport I wanted to buy a new camera. Martina recommended the Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ7. I just bought it, without looking to it at all. Made awesome pictures in Iceland. It has 12x zoom, Leica lens 25mm. 10,1mio pixels. This will do coming tour ;D :D :)
I am very happy with this new camera, thanks again for the great advice Martina ;)
It's not a proper leica lens; the lenses were designed by Leica technicians but are made in Japan. Leica do not make them and on a compact camera it is of negligible importance anyway since the amount of glass is so small and the lens has no adjustments. Panasonic actually make Leica's compact digital cameras so that's where the connection comes from.
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I have the TZ6 and it
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From Guy
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Uh-oh...
And about the setlist thing, well, if he doesn't want people to ask stupid questions, maybe he should stop mentioning song titles in his diary, hmm?? If MK wants to keep the setlist a surprise, and wants this to be handled strictly, Guy should stop mentioning song titles here and there. Not only does he spoil people, he also raises questions!
Why doesn't he type x's or blank spaces where the song titles belong?
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I just don't understand. If someone ask questions which mentioning song titles, he could just desert this question and won't display this kind of question on his forum. It's easy to be done.
And if someone doesn't want to know setlists before he/she goes to the concerts, he/she can just ignore all the source websites and forums, that's what some of fans are doing now.
Some other fans can't wait for the concerts they are going, so they want to know the setlist or even listen to recordings, it's up to them. Why bother?
So why a slightly refinement of the recording/photo policy? Sorry if I say something directly. I do respect our man.
Wishes
Allen
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And if someone doesn't want to know setlists before he/she goes to the concerts, he/she can just ignore all the source websites and forums, that's what some of fans are doing now.
No. I don't see why people should avoid forums and not be able to participate in general discussions just because some forum users are too stupid to mark spoilers properly! Really, it annoys the HELL out of me. There are spoilers spread in threads everywhere, song titles are mentioned in the general discussion area of this forum. People post without thinking. Guy thinks he can be super authoritarian and tell fans off because they ask set list questions but he isn't able to not provoke them! Set lists are spread on Facebook even though I asked not to. Great. And it seems as if I'm the only one who's upset about this. Why can't people follow some simple rules? It is possible, just look at some tv show forums! I wonder how some people would feel if I gave away the season finale of their favourite series. Dexter's girlfriend was killed by the Trinity killer at the end of season four, Lucas will propose to Cuddy in the season finale of House etc etc. How do you feel now? You've picked this up in some place you had hoped not to read information like this because people didn't care. The internet has become a place for randomness and anarchy and I hate this sometimes. I stumbled across so many set list hints I'm not even sure I will enjoy the shows anymore.
Very sorry for this rant but I'm really upset about this.
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I really don't see what Guy's problem is. Why can't he just do the decent thing and answer peoples set-list questions? If he can't be bothered to do this then he should put a note on his forum saying "no set-list questions please" then he could disregard any that come in, but I really don't understand why he shouldn't answer people and to answer with his increasingly frequent use of the word "arrgh" is not very nice at all when people have taken the time to write in. In some posts you can tell that people are walking on egg shells, dancing around the set-list to get to their point just so they don't get an "arrgh!"
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I think many people could be very annoying, I
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I contributed myself complaining about the finger of the death, probably a bad movement from me :(
Huh, the "finger of the death"? What's that? ;D
Hmm, I'm thinking about reading the setlist now... Seems like I already know 75 percent anyway... Or are the other 15 percent worth the wait?
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I contributed myself complaining about the finger of the death, probably a bad movement from me :(
Huh, the "finger of the death"? What's that? ;D
Hmm, I'm thinking about reading the setlist now... Seems like I already know 75 percent anyway... Or are the other 15 percent worth the wait?
What about the other 10% GH 8) or are you not waiting for the encores :o :o :disbelief :disbelief
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The "Finger of the dearh" is how Isaac Shabtar called MK pointing people who are filming the shows, he kind of made a pause playing one song (according to Guy it was in a natural pause in his playing in that song) to point to a person.
About to read the set-lists, it depends on which tracks do you know, if you tell us, we can tell you if the surprises are revealed or not and you can act according to it :D
Also, if you are angry about that, take a picture of yourself and send it to, never seen a pic of you without that beautiful and big smile ;)
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Ah, of course, MK's finger of death :o LOL, if it wasn't so tragic, I'd laugh about it...
Hm well, setlist-wise, I guess I already know the "usual suspects" (the DS songs and that other song from his solo works with the whammy bar he's been playing since 2005) but I don't know which songs from GL he plays. Also have no clue about the opening song :)
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Ah, of course, MK's finger of death :o LOL, if it wasn't so tragic, I'd laugh about it...
Hm well, setlist-wise, I guess I already know the "usual suspects" (the DS songs and that other song from his solo works with the whammy bar he's been playing since 2005) but I don't know which songs from GL he plays. Also have no clue about the opening song :)
My recommendation is "DO NOT READ ANYTHING" then.
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I think many people could be very annoying, I
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Ah, of course, MK's finger of death :o LOL, if it wasn't so tragic, I'd laugh about it...
Hm well, setlist-wise, I guess I already know the "usual suspects" (the DS songs and that other song from his solo works with the whammy bar he's been playing since 2005) but I don't know which songs from GL he plays. Also have no clue about the opening song :)
My recommendation is "DO NOT READ ANYTHING" then.
Okay, will try! Some big surprises? :)
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Personally speaking I think the place for set-list questions is a forum like this and not to pester GF about it and tell him to play other songs because obviously everyone likes different songs and they will never please everyone, but Guy leaves himself open to this line of questioning and it's not very nice to answer a long passage with a "arrgh" especially when some people have to think hard to translate. So although I agree with you that it must be frustrating for Guy, I think he should try to be a little more understanding that in having his forum he is leaving himself open to this line of questioning unless he bans set-list questions.
I agree on that, but in the other hand he
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Ah, of course, MK's finger of death :o LOL, if it wasn't so tragic, I'd laugh about it...
Hm well, setlist-wise, I guess I already know the "usual suspects" (the DS songs and that other song from his solo works with the whammy bar he's been playing since 2005) but I don't know which songs from GL he plays. Also have no clue about the opening song :)
My recommendation is "DO NOT READ ANYTHING" then.
Okay, will try! Some big surprises? :)
Do you really wanna know?
I Can tell you something without mention song titles, only if you want ;)
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And if someone doesn't want to know setlists before he/she goes to the concerts, he/she can just ignore all the source websites and forums, that's what some of fans are doing now.
No. I don't see why people should avoid forums and not be able to participate in general discussions just because some forum users are too stupid to mark spoilers properly! Really, it annoys the HELL out of me. There are spoilers spread in threads everywhere, song titles are mentioned in the general discussion area of this forum. People post without thinking. Guy thinks he can be super authoritarian and tell fans off because they ask set list questions but he isn't able to not provoke them! Set lists are spread on Facebook even though I asked not to. Great. And it seems as if I'm the only one who's upset about this. Why can't people follow some simple rules? It is possible, just look at some tv show forums! I wonder how some people would feel if I gave away the season finale of their favourite series. Dexter's girlfriend was killed by the Trinity killer at the end of season four, Lucas will propose to Cuddy in the season finale of House etc etc. How do you feel now? You've picked this up in some place you had hoped not to read information like this because people didn't care. The internet has become a place for randomness and anarchy and I hate this sometimes. I stumbled across so many set list hints I'm not even sure I will enjoy the shows anymore.
Very sorry for this rant but I'm really upset about this.
How very sweet is that... :) :) Boy, she CAN get wild...
LE
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I am NOT sweet! *pouts*
;D
Well as I said, I felt this little rant was necessary...
Hmmm, jbaent, one small hint...? :)
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So, now do want to know the set list or not? I do not understand this "hint" stuff... ???
LE
Sometimes it has some result when Mark gets into his hotel room late and chooses to zap through the TV channels without any noise and watch some
documentary...
Hint Hint
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So, now do want to know the set list or not? I do not understand this "hint" stuff... ???
No, I want to be teased! ;D It's like this guy from TV Guide with his cryptical statements about future House episodes, like "The season finale will raise some big questions about a certain character
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;D
My hint was referring to the story about how a certain MK song came to life.
Another hint?
This tour has something special so far that none of the last three tours has had within the first nine shows... it has to do with the set list, without naming
any song title...
This alone is reason enough for to go to my shows!
LE
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Or another hint, about a certain song title.
It is a quotation from Mark Twain out of his book "Roughing It". Mark Twain is my favourite author, and because of his 100th day of death the day after
tomorrow I thought it a nice idea to put this in:
The *** is a living, breathing allegory of Want. He is always hungry. He is always poor, out of luck and friendless. The meanest creatures despise him and even the flea would desert him for a velocipede.
Put in the right word for *** and you will have a song from this set list that was never played before...
Sorry for being off topic...
Maybe we should open a new thread for this.
LE
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Thanks for the hints LE, I like the general setlist hint! Not sure if I like the song hint, already picked the title up somewhere... Not really my favourite but we'll see :)
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Thanks for the hints LE, I like the general setlist hint! Not sure if I like the song hint, already picked the title up somewhere... Not really my favourite but we'll see :)
Well, my general hint about the setlist without mention title tracks is that until now, they didn