A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2010 Get Lucky Tour => Topic started by: tobi777 on April 17, 2010, 02:54:42 PM
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Hi all,
I know this topic is a bit delicate - I know tastes differ and Mark plays what HE wants, but anyway here's my list of stinkers ;)
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3 songs already played ;D
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Hmm, well, Song for Sonny Liston isn't one of my fav. songs but until now it didn't show up. :)
I'm glad the chance is almost zero I have to sit and listen to: Les boys, Twisting by the pool, Calling elvis and Private investigations. Sorry, but I really don't like these songs. ;D Go ahead, shoot me. :lol
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Song for Sonny Liston
Done with Bonaparte
So Far Away
Donegan's gone
Walk of Life
And Shangri-La: I am done with that one too.
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I'm definitely with Localhero1986 - Twisting By The Pool is such a corny song. Curiously though, I like Les Boys. Actually, I don't think there's another DS song I'd add to the list.
No accounting for taste, of course, but So Far Away and Walk of Life? Classics! Sorry!
In addition, here's my list:
Sonny Liston, Monteleone, You Can't Beat The House, Daddy's Gone To Knoxville, Punish The Monkey, Pyroman, No Can Do, Baloney Again...
...and most of the Roadrunning stuff - it's all a bit too wishy-washy for me.
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Songs I don't want to hear never again and where there is a certain potential that they might be played (again):
Rudiger
Done With Bonaparte
All That Matters
Song For Sonny Liston
So Far Away
Our Shangri-La
What It Is
Monteleone
Already dead, but I also will never want to listen to them again:
Walk Of Life
Money For Nothing
Not too much in my opinion?
LE
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even the ones we have heard hundreds of time and on every tour since sliced bread ;D will be wonderful to listen to when my turn comes...
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From the ones currently in the set, I don
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Rudiger
Done With Bonaparte
All That Matters
Song For Sonny Liston
Our Shangri-La
What It Is
Donegan`s
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Walk Of Life :disbelief
Money For Nothing :disbelief
Sorry, but I can't stand them anymore, despite the tasty guitar in MFN. A local radio station plays MFN a lot -I don't get it. He has got such a broad catalogue.
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I will never understand the constant selection of several songs over the vast (and vastly superior) catalog that MK has. At least SFA and WOL were big hits for DS back in the day, even if I've heard them enough. Donegan's Gone is up there with my least favorite songs by MK--yes, it's a nice tribute to Lonnie, but not worthy of the constant repetition and I don't think it ever sounds all that great. Boneparte is a great song, but wasn't a hit whatsoever. They do a great rendition of it and it showcases the players but there must be something else with appeal. I guess Song For Sonny Liston is destined to show up since they rehearsed it standing up and it's bluesy. Another one I don't understand, as it's been done to excess already. Guy had a post a while back to the effect that MK had said he would not do a similar setlist to the KTGC tour again. Apparently he had a change of heart! :D
I'm not really complaining tho, just noting my preferences. Looking forward to whatever they play, just hoping for a little different setlist than so far (away)....
Keep Knopflerin' ;)
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Walk Of Life (too much heard)
Cannibals (maybe the only MK song I hate)
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Definitely MFN, Donnegan, Sonny, WOL, Elvis, Bug, The House, Monteleone, most of the Ragpickers Dream, 'most' of On Every Street, Private Investigations
It really is a shame he doesn't play what the audience 'really' wants to hear and more of a shame that he plays one or two that have not stood the test of time. I don't know of any other bands that would take that attitude - apart from Ritchie Blackmore.
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Definitely MFN, Donnegan, Sonny, WOL, Elvis, Bug, The House, Monteleone, most of the Ragpickers Dream, 'most' of On Every Street, Private Investigations
It really is a shame he doesn't play what the audience 'really' wants to hear and more of a shame that he plays one or two that have not stood the test of time. I don't know of any other bands that would take that attitude - apart from Ritchie Blackmore.
Yes, I see what you mean, but he continues to sell out concerts, and at least in my country you can hear his songs on the radio every day. I don't care what he plays as long as he plays. Art isn't about democracy IMO, but about integrity. But I absolutely see your point.
My view? I don't want to hear Walk of life, but otherwise I want to hear whatever he wants to play. MFN would be fun to hear again. It's a cool pop song with the best guitar riff ever. I guess that's the song the majority of the audience want to hear.
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It is interesting that it is thought of as 'art' - which in some respect is true - i.e. it is a piece of work that has been created by someone. However when we go to see him perform live the 'artist' becomes the 'entertainer' and we want to be entertained. Otherwise we can stay at home and listen to his 'artwork' as long as we like.
There is also the predictability element now that has crept in to his sets. For example, What it is, played very early in the set followed by STP. Then there is R&J/SOS, predictably in the middle of the set and TR/BIA towards the final third.
If MK wants to surprise us, it would really surprise me if we had to wait for one of those old DS songs as an encore.
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Yes, one of the first reviews in the net from the 2010 tour was from somebody who really was wondering that MK still plays old Dire Straits tunes like Brothers or Telegraph Road - "which is an eight minute long song from the past..." (quotation). So this person seemed to personate the typical attendant of a MK show: "MK? Still touring? Let's see, I have no idea what we get...". WE are the minority with knowing every belch into some mic from him... ;)
LE
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It is interesting that it is thought of as 'art' - which in some respect is true - i.e. it is a piece of work that has been created by someone. However when we go to see him perform live the 'artist' becomes the 'entertainer' and we want to be entertained. Otherwise we can stay at home and listen to his 'artwork' as long as we like.
There is also the predictability element now that has crept in to his sets. For example, What it is, played very early in the set followed by STP. Then there is R&J/SOS, predictably in the middle of the set and TR/BIA towards the final third.
If MK wants to surprise us, it would really surprise me if we had to wait for one of those old DS songs as an encore.
To me it's the other way around. You can listen to whatever cd you want at home, but the concert is the exibition. The artist decides for you. And you like his decition or not.
I absolultely agree with you about the predictability, but that's the artist's choice. A bit annoying, yes, ;)
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Good analogy Mossguitar - the concert is the exhibition :-)
But I would not pay to see the same exhibition of art over and over if only a few pieces were changing each time. And that most of them were in the same order as the last time I walked into the room and saw them:-)
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Well, almost every review I read was very excited about the quality of the show - so if they play the same stuff but in a great manner, it is more than ok with me! F.e. Marbletown seems to benefit very much from the two new members - can't get their names in the right manner... :disbelief
LE
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Quote Simon: "It really is a shame he doesn't play what the audience 'really' wants to hear"
Does Mark know what the fans really want to hear? ::) No he doesn't because even his fans don't like to listen to the same songs. ;D
For example I still love Shangri-La, Telegraph Road and Speedway which I hope he will play again, while I read that others don't like him to play those songs or even feel disappointed when they will be played again. We all have too different opinions!
From his new album I hope he will play Monteleone, Before Gas & TV, Border Reiver and of course Get Lucky, BUT I also read that some fans don't like Monteleone or Before G&TV and want him to play Cleaning My Gun or others.
There are too many people loving too many different songs and I think that is why it is good that Mark and the guys play what they like to play! I want to be at a concert to see Mark and the guys in front of me. I want to be there for the excitement, meeting fans and enjoying the beautiful music of the man I admire! ;D
Fieneke
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I note that many of us would love to hear Tunnel Of Love again. It is not impossible for him to play it - it would raise the roof in some venues. I am sure he knows it but I am also of the opinion that the more we ask for something the less likely he is to play it.
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Thank you, Fieneke! I agree, we all have different tastes. There are some that have been mentioned, like Sonny Liston and OSL, WOL and SFA that I would rather not hear on this tour, but I didn't want Donegan again either, but having heard it on this tour, I really like the new intro and different arrangement, so I am happy. I would love to hear Before Gas & TV and Monteleone, but so long as I can hear him at all (volcano permitting) I will be one very happy lady! ;D BTW I find this particular thread SO negative! I am just pleased that we have him still touring at all, so regularly! :)
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Me too Superval, the whole forum has a negative cloud which saddens me.
So to cheers things up ;D, I'd like to react on one point you made. What if they can't tour Europe because of the volcano???
I can't bear the thought!! :'( :-\
Would they make other arrangements and get a tour bus like in the good old days?
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Good points, Fieneke and Superval! (Edit: And Ms President too, of course:)) We all have different tastes. I find this discussion interesting and obviously necessary, but the negativity is out of proportions IMO.
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Me too Superval, the whole forum has a negative cloud which saddens me.
So to cheers things up ;D, I'd like to react on one point you made. What if they can't tour Europe because of the volcano???
I can't bear the thought!! :'( :-\
Would they make other arrangements and get a tour bus like in the good old days?
I was wondering if they have a contingency plan, if the worst happens and there are still no flights from USA to Europe! Perhaps they would go by ship, after all there are around ten days between the last US gig and the Dublin gig. They would make it with a few days to spare! ;D I'm a terrible sailor, but if I thought I would miss seeing MK in Dublin, I would definitely go by boat from UK and risk seasickness. There's no-one else I would do THAT for - that's how important seeing MK means to me! ;D
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I don't think crossing over to Europe would be a problem, there would always be one airport open in Europe. The question is that would they tour on a bus or are they too accustomed to the luxury of flying to venues to be able to put on a great show despite being dead tired? Apart from John (who will also be fresh for not touring the first 2 months), they are no spring chickens!
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The only snag is that to tour Europe they need to get back from the USA first.
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I don't think the forum is as a whole negative, but it does seem as if the current tour is raising more nagetive feedback. That is largely because of (whether perceived or real) repetition, and because of the songs that are being played being songs that a lot of people of the forum aren't that fussed about. However, you could also say that the people on this forum are just as representative as the rest of the people who listen to MK and the band. Let's be fair thoug - it's great to still see the show, even if the show does have a familiar ring to it.
It seems to me that most people aren't too fussed by Rudiger, Sonny, Monteleone and others. Art isn't about democracy, bums on seats is about democracy. If we don't like it, well, don't buy a ticket, I suppose! But, even if we know these songs are going to be played, there's nothing we can do except enjoy them as best we can. On the other hand, as Simon rightfully puts, Tunnel of Love would go down an absolute storm - is there anybody who would not want it played?? - but if the guy doesn't want to play it, it's just our tough luck.
Repetition, certain songs, whatever: negativity may have a part to play in this forum, but we're still all here because we love MK and the way he plays. That's surely a bigger positive than anything....
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Oh - PS - I took the "democratic" step of not going to see the MK & Emmylou tour. Not my kind of music. It's all down to the money in your pocket...
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The only snag is that to tour Europe they need to get back from the USA first.
That's why I suggested sailing from USA to Europe if the planes are still grounded! :-\
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Who are we to judge?
Trust the man who has been on the road since the late 70's - before many forumers were even born!
Mark may not build the GL setlist around the musical tastes of a needy few, but I bet he knows better than most what songs are going to go down well with the great majority who attend his gigs. He constructs his list accordingly, and heh - whadaya know, all his shows are then sellouts! Give it a rest and Mark a break. He knows, and the team around him know, what is needed to make a great setlist and tour.
Sorry to be a bit in your face, but all this moaning about the tour is pissing me off.
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If anything at all we should have a thread: "songs we want to hear" but this is kind of negative isn't it? :)
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well said Draad!
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The issue I think is that we buy our tickets in anticipation of what we hope we will see and hear. The sellouts come before the concerts, not during or after.
I agree that the setlist will represent what he thinks will go down well with the majority of attendees at the concerts and that is where we must trust his opinion.
However we are still entitled to our opinions and if we pay good money then we have the right to speak our minds as long as it is not offensive.
To suggest that this right is subdued is akin to being in a dictatorship not the democracy that has already been mentioned.
Plus the thread has induced some positivity in that people are suggesting songs they want to hear :-)
We can all like someone yet at the same time, disagree with them or feel aggrieved at something they have done. I do it with my wife all the time:-)
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We can all like someone yet at the same time, disagree with them or feel aggrieved at something they have done. I do it with my wife all the time:-)
Amen
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Nicely said Simon....
Songs I want to hear? Tunnel of Love!!
Erm, that's not negative is it??
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No it isn't! But on Guy's Site you would get a giant AAAARRGH!!!
So they are "up to something", and a "minority" isn't able to understand what especially that is... That's from some of Guy's answers lately. I think the only thing they are up to is changing the set list every day. If it were so, and it seems there are no two similar set lists from show #1 on, it would really be great! You then would have a certain moment of surprise, within the 17 songs from which you 14 already have heard live 50 times, two or three songs would really be changes! For me, that would be enough to get enjoyed by it!
LE
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We can all like someone yet at the same time, disagree with them or feel aggrieved at something they have done. I do it with my wife all the time:-)
Amen
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Who are we to judge?
Trust the man who has been on the road since the late 70's - before many forumers were even born!
Mark may not build the GL setlist around the musical tastes of a needy few, but I bet he knows better than most what songs are going to go down well with the great majority who attend his gigs. He constructs his list accordingly, and heh - whadaya know, all his shows are then sellouts! Give it a rest and Mark a break. He knows, and the team around him know, what is needed to make a great setlist and tour.
Sorry to be a bit in your face, but all this moaning about the tour is pissing me off.
Hey Draad, I also agree with you! ;)
I think it is time to come up with a funny, idiot, crazy thread about Mark and the guys as we had in the past! :o...........Yeahhhh let me think about it! ;D
Fieneke
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I think it is time to come up with a funny, idiot, crazy thread about Mark and the guys as we had in the past! :o...........Yeahhhh let me think about it! ;D
Fieneke
Hey, I think I know just the lady for this job! ;D
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draad, as much as i understand your stand, this is the nature of forums. no need to hope people will change their ways, coz they want. all i can advice is ignore the negative bits.
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Sorry LE - I meant nicely said in the sense of us still being entitled to our opinions...
This and any forum will have positive and negative things, so I think everybody should accept that - it's human nature, as sure as the sunrise :-) !
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Oh, no problem on this side! I have a great feeling all over all about this whole stuff since tour start... The only thing that bothers me is that I am spending far too much hours in front of my laptop which has to mean something... So MK has of course a big impact on my daily life!
I was not negative but a little worried when I decided to buy the RAH tickets because I am a little bit superstitious when it comes to travel :disbelief: When I wanted to go to RAH in 2003, the accident happened. Now this damned volcano thing is worrying me - not the today's ashcloud, but the second, bigger volcano that is somehow connected to this one and hasn't erupted since 1918 or so.. and is overdue...
So if I am sitting in the RAH on May 30th, MK can play what he wants - I will be happy...
... apart from Rudiger..... ;)
LE
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wonder if Joe Brown, Hank Marvin, Paul Brady or anybody else might make an appearance at the Albert Hall? Now there would be something different to what we've heard about so far...
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sailing to philadelphia
romeo and juliet
brothers in arms
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It's not negative meant this thread. It isn't able to put it in a poll, too many songs of DS/MK have seen the light, but it's more like a poll. What do you want to hear and what do you not want to hear.
And everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. We have to respect the opinions and as long as we do we can have all possible threads on this forum. That's why this is the best MK-forum in the world ;)
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Unfortunatly it only works when you mean it :( ... or in the other way (the song you really would like to listen, he won
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I want to be the one to stand for Rudiger...
When the GH album was out I thought this was the best song on the album, period; and now, I feel that it is one of the very best songs written by MK. Can't understand why people hate Rudy so much. I understand for Sonny, Donegan, All the Matters... (In fact, Shangri-La is the album I have most difficuly to hook up with, but still, it is a MK album, so it is great) :)
I also like Done With Bonaparte, even though I am french and a big Napoleon fan - I acknowledge that the lyrics criticising Napoleon make sense :) I also wish the title song "Golden heart" was still played live, it is quite beautiful to.
Can't undestand why people don't like the Ragpicker's dream, it is the most daring, intimate and touching album MK has even done. I think in fact his solo career peaked with both the one and his predecessor: STP to revive Dire Straits, TRD to revive the Hillbillies, so everybody is happy :)
As far as DS goes, I am really done with WOL (overcommercialized and overplayed), I am glad it is gone. I still like MFN but I prefer earlier versions (my top favorite has to go to Montserrat one with Eric Clapton). I wish to hear TMTS and OES again...
I am also quite done with R&J, nice but overplayed, I wish like many that I was replaced by Tunnel of Love, the martyr song which did not deserve this fate; btw could anyone tell me the *real* reason why it was dropped ? because it was his dad's favourite, still in grief ater 17 years ? because he can't play it anymore physically ? I can't believe he would be tired of such a beautiful song about his own childhood... just listen to the STP DVD, Mark talks cheefully about ToL at some point while visiting the Spanish City... Thanks !
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GH has far better songs than R
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I want to be the one to stand for Rudiger...
When the GH album was out I thought this was the best song on the album, period; and now, I feel that it is one of the very best songs written by MK. Can't understand why people hate Rudy so much. I understand for Sonny, Donegan, All the Matters... (In fact, Shangri-La is the album I have most difficuly to hook up with, but still, it is a MK album, so it is great) :)
I also like Done With Bonaparte, even though I am french and a big Napoleon fan - I acknowledge that the lyrics criticising Napoleon make sense :) I also wish the title song "Golden heart" was still played live, it is quite beautiful to.
Can't undestand why people don't like the Ragpicker's dream, it is the most daring, intimate and touching album MK has even done. I think in fact his solo career peaked with both the one and his predecessor: STP to revive Dire Straits, TRD to revive the Hillbillies, so everybody is happy :)
As far as DS goes, I am really done with WOL (overcommercialized and overplayed), I am glad it is gone. I still like MFN but I prefer earlier versions (my top favorite has to go to Montserrat one with Eric Clapton). I wish to hear TMTS and OES again...
I am also quite done with R&J, nice but overplayed, I wish like many that I was replaced by Tunnel of Love, the martyr song which did not deserve this fate; btw could anyone tell me the *real* reason why it was dropped ? because it was his dad's favourite, still in grief ater 17 years ? because he can't play it anymore physically ? I can't believe he would be tired of such a beautiful song about his own childhood... just listen to the STP DVD, Mark talks cheefully about ToL at some point while visiting the Spanish City... Thanks !
I think many fans agree with you :) I do and I guess MK does too ;)
The real reason why MK doesn't play ToL anymore? Because he doesn't want to. No other reason, I think.
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GH has far better songs than R
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For me, it has to be "our Shangrila" I'm glad also that "true love will never fade" didn't make it to the list. Everything else is wonderful by me.
" Coyote" turned out to be a very great song LIVE. It has a seductive tone to it which I really enjoyed hearing. Even "Donegan's gone" sounds awesome Live. These 2 songs never get much played on my player. But now I love them.