A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2010 Get Lucky Tour => Topic started by: Shoaib on May 28, 2010, 08:47:17 AM
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I'm confused the after read 2 different replies by Guy Fletcher....
Live Release
Mike Buck
NC 27th May 2010
That's quite a nice hint dropped re: hoping for a Live release of this tour. I've had a feeling all along that RAH shows would be filmed- hope that feeling turns out to be true. This tour and this band just 'feels right' for a DVD/BluRay release. It seems to be universally believed by fans and band alike that this is the strongest tour and lineup of MK's career. This period really needs to be properly documented. Record a few of the RAH shows, mix up the sets a little, and you should have a ton of brilliant material to share and preserve. Fingers crossed...
Guy's Reply : fingers crossed. No filming at the RAH though or indeed anywhere though.
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Arrangements
Emiliano Vallejo
Argentina 27th May 2010
I'm totally in love with the new arrangements that the band adds night after night. In **** (put some **** there) for example it fantastic the new part when the solo enters, great bass lines flute arrangements guitars violin keyboards etc great taste of music. I am entering every day to this forum waiting for news of a Live album or anything like that! greetings from Buenos aires
Guy's Reply : I'm sure there will be some good news for you soon.
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well, that's perfectly clear to me.
They are talking about a live album (CD), but nothing is decided yet
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I want to have a proper, official DVD! Man, this is getting frustrating. Why the heck is it so complicated to release a friggin' tour DVD!! >:( >:(
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No way for a DVD, this time. MK's sitting, and RRLR sells so poor. But I believe they are picking one of the audio recordings to release.
Wishes
Allen
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I want to have a proper, official DVD! Man, this is getting frustrating. Why the heck is it so complicated to release a friggin' tour DVD!! >:( >:(
2010 is basically the 15th year without an official live release for the solo career,
both audio and video
According to Guy this is the best tour ever, the best band ever by far!
So I don't see the point with MK opinion (we all know he's the only one who can take a decision about that).
I'm almost unhopeful to wait for a posthumous official live release.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to wish MK a bad luck but...if we miss a 2010 DVD live release I don't see any other option.
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Allen, you are right.
A DVD with MK sitting - No chance.
Anywhere. I hope he is getting well soon.
It is strange to see him sit all the show.
When he plays Liston, or Get lucky or Monteleone...O.K.
But the other songs... No
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According to Guy this is the best tour ever, the best band ever by far!
So I don't see the point with MK opinion (we all know he's the only one who can take a decision about that).
I'm almost unhopeful to wait for a posthumous official live release.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to wish MK a bad luck but...if we miss a 2010 DVD live release I don't see any other option.
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Guy says "this is the best tour ever, the best band ever by far" every tour so we might get a recording of some sort for the final tour which will presumably be the very best! ;D
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MK sitting down DVD can be quite a charm. I don't see why not ! ;D There are plenty demand without even having to market it. The fan are screaming for it.
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2010 is basically the 15th year without an official live release for the solo career,
both audio and video
This is quite unaccurate. Here are the post 1996 live releases (even if they are hard to find). Not counting "A night in London" and "Sultans of Swing" bonus live CD:
1) "Sailiing to Philadelphia" single, with "Balooney again","El macho" and "Wild theme" live 2000
2) "Why Aye Man" single disc, there is a 4-title edition with SAN and SFA live in Toronto 2001 (audio, video clip of WAM available for download on Itunes)
3) TRD bonus CD, with WAM and QS from the 2002 charity concerts, and STP and BIA from Totonto 2001 (audio)
4) Shangri-La tour soundboard recordings, 14 of them were available via passalong (until May 2009)
5) "Boom, like that" live in Denver, available as a b-side of the TLWNF single (and on Itunes)
6) RLRR DVD+CD, feturing not only ATRR duet but also SAN, SFA, WW, RAJ,DWB,SFSL, OSL from the solo career
Not that bad, but difficult to get, except for RLRR
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a double live cd with selected songs from different shows
would be very fine with me
What you describe is probably the best of what we can hope for now. We may still get dumb mp3 files to download, or even nothing at all...
While a double live CD would be nice to have (at least, hopefully with the best version of ALL songs played), it is no substitute for a BR. I really go hooked on BR live music now, the Police one is amazing, it think it is the proper way to document a tour nowadays.
MK sitting ? so what ? in the 2009 promo concert that was indeed released, he is also sitting; and we can hope that he recovers fully before the end of the tour anyway... the fact that he is sitted honors him actually - the show must go on, no matter what !
Anyway... again, we are not in his head... I will still buy the double CD of course.
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According to Guy this is the best tour ever, the best band ever by far!
So I don't see the point with MK opinion (we all know he's the only one who can take a decision about that).
I'm almost unhopeful to wait for a posthumous official live release.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to wish MK a bad luck but...if we miss a 2010 DVD live release I don't see any other option.
Well, Guy is always saying that this is the best tour so far - and the best band and the best crew and the best bla bla bla. That's part of his business. I would not take that as a parameter for a live release. Apart from that, I must say I find that thought above quite harsh.
LE
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I'll probably get shot down for this, as like the next man I like something physical to hold. However if the cost of releasing an official DVD of a concert is a concern to MK's management then I would be quite happy to download through iTunes. After all the quality would be great.
Is the actual recording expensive? I think it is the distribution that is the problem. Coupled with the fact I don't see MK having the desire to do it. He seems to put his energy into the studio stuff.
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According to Guy this is the best tour ever, the best band ever by far!
So I don't see the point with MK opinion (we all know he's the only one who can take a decision about that).
I'm almost unhopeful to wait for a posthumous official live release.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to wish MK a bad luck but...if we miss a 2010 DVD live release I don't see any other option.
Well, Guy is always saying that this is the best tour so far - and the best band and the best crew and the best bla bla bla. That's part of his business. I would not take that as a parameter for a live release. Apart from that, I must say I find that thought above quite harsh.
LE
Harsh? well maybe. but I feel a bit mocked by this treatment as a fan. it's been years we have to rely on unofficial videos about MK solo carrier. Unfair.
Again, don't get me wrong, I love the man, I'll be attending two shows this tour, one of them at RAH, the other one in my hometown in Italy, I play in a DS/MK tribute band. All this is nothing but a love declaration for his career as an artists. Simply I can't understand (is there anyone?) his disregard for fans.
Alessandro
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Is the actual recording expensive? I think it is the distribution that is the problem. Coupled with the fact I don't see MK having the desire to do it. He seems to put his energy into the studio stuff.
They record every night anyway. YOu can see the mics pointing out into the audience to pick up the applause. :-\
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I feel a bit mocked by this treatment as a fan. it's been years we have to rely on unofficial videos about MK solo carrier. Unfair.
Again, don't get me wrong, I love the man, I'll be attending two shows this tour, one of them at RAH, the other one in my hometown in Italy, I play in a DS/MK tribute band. All this is nothing but a love declaration for his career as an artists. Simply I can't understand (is there anyone?) his disregard for fans.
Alessandro
I feel that releasing one quality album every 2 years + making a 4-month transatlantic tour every 2 years cannot decently be considered as "disregard for fans" - especially, from a 60-year old artist with a well fulfilled 33-year old career behind him. The man could be just sitting on a beach in the Bahamas, surrended by 10 20-year old pretty girls...
The thing is, yes, he is not interested in live albums/videos anymore. As a fan I regret it, but I also like the simplicity of somebody who is not indulging in overcommercialisation. He is not Madonna or Lady Gaga ! :) Maybe he feels that a live concert is just like a drama play - you can watch it on tv, but it is a poor experience compared to going and seing the actual thing live.
The RLRR poor sales don't help either. I'm sure it's not about the money, but about self-esteem - the lack of motivation to lauch a prodcut which you feel is doomed to failure. Or, he does not want to appear old and sitting on screen.
I regret that, but I respect it...
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According to Guy this is the best tour ever, the best band ever by far!
So I don't see the point with MK opinion (we all know he's the only one who can take a decision about that).
I'm almost unhopeful to wait for a posthumous official live release.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to wish MK a bad luck but...if we miss a 2010 DVD live release I don't see any other option.
Well, Guy is always saying that this is the best tour so far - and the best band and the best crew and the best bla bla bla. That's part of his business. I would not take that as a parameter for a live release. Apart from that, I must say I find that thought above quite harsh.
LE
Exactly !!
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Is the actual recording expensive? I think it is the distribution that is the problem. Coupled with the fact I don't see MK having the desire to do it. He seems to put his energy into the studio stuff.
They record every night anyway. YOu can see the mics pointing out into the audience to pick up the applause. :-\
Not audio, video.
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I feel that in this matter the band is very insecure
come on give us something!
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I don't think "MK-Sitting" will hurt the DVD... [If the DVD will release... 0.01% Chance]
2CD-Live Audio will be very fine for sure...
How about the album title "15 Years of Solo Tour" or "Those 6 Nights in RAH" or "Get Live to be Lucky" ?
All MK-Fans always dream for Live-Release... MK surely knows it.... Hope he will make our dream true this time....
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What about:
Mark Knopfler
Lucky London Live
7 DVD set
6 nights in London in a row
2 hours of unreleased British Grove rehearsal stuff
12 hours of pure genius
199 Euro
Any questions?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
LE
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Nice idea, LE !! ;D
And basic version - only one DVD with the best versions of all songs played during the RAH shows... ;)
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What about:
Mark Knopfler
Lucky London Live
7 DVD set
6 nights in London in a row
2 hours of unreleased British Grove rehearsal stuff
12 hours of pure genius
199 Euro
Any questions?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
LE
This will of course never sell. If you want to charge this kind of price, it must be a least one DVD/BR for every tour DS/MK/NHB has even done since 1977, with every single song ever played live, and extensive bonuses. Something called: "MK - the ultimate anthology".
Who is interested in more than one good RAH show of the same tour ??
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David Gilmour released 7 Discs (2+5) just for his last tour in 2006
MK released nothing from GH tour in 1996 till now
It's clear that MK has very strange and questionable opinions about live releases
But this was clear even before the solo career
I mean, We are talking about the same guy who released On The Night
without all the main songs for that tour (TR,TOL,SOS,PONO)
Agree about DG, the live in Gdansk was nice, if was even a bit too much after "Remember that night".
MK did not release nothing: ANIL and RLRR are nice, a but few rare but good audio releases were made (see my post about this). But I agree he did not release much compared to what he could have.
One the other side, MK has been doing 6 tours since 1996; would have been 7 without his motorbike accident... DG did only one tour after PF dismental in 1994; it is frequence of tours vs. quality of documentation of these tours... :)
As for not releasing TR, TOL and SOS (and also TYL), I guess maybe he felt that the Alchemy versions were "purer" and that the management did want the two products to sell well and not be redundant; as for PONO (and IH, and SMU, and PB, and others), yes, this is really too bad.
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imagine the same situation of 7 discs (tons of audio,video and extra) for MK 2010 tour
would that be nice? :)
I'll be satisfied with 3: 1BR disc should fit everything possible, and 2 CDs should fit the 24 songs that were played live...
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Ah yes! That would be awesome! Hopefully they play bonaparte too! It's an awesome version this tour with the pipes. ;D
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without all the main songs for that tour (TR,TOL,SOS,PONO)
To be fair, TOL was dropped fairly early on.
On the Night is a good example of how we "should be careful what we sish for". It's an official release but it's terrible. The wrong songs and it's had all the life sucked out of it.
I never really cared about official audio recordings in 96 nand 01 because we got some good FM recordings, raw and complete.
The danger with an official release, as OTN shows, is that MK, GF and CI can polish the life out of it. RLRR is fine, but to be honest I've only ever watched the DVD once, but I listen to the Verona bootlage a lot on my ipod. In the same way I haven't watched OTN for 15 years, would much rather watch the Basel 92 show.
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Actually TOL was not dropped early. You get this impression because all soundboard recordings from the OES tour (Nimes, Basel, Wobburn Abbey,...) happen to be "TR" kind of concerts; but TOL and TR were sharing a slot and played alternatively, about 50% each. Well, it was more like 60/40 is favour of TOL in 1991, and the reverse in 1992. But TOL was played right to the end in the last concerts in Spain.
OTN is not THAT terrible, IMHO. The picture quality is *very* good for a video transfer of 1992. The sound quality is fine too. The set list lacks SOS, TR, TOL and TWL, but I suspect this is so that the product complements rather than compete with Alchemy. And compared to Basel you get the rarely played -and superb- You and Your Friend. Too bad we did not get PONO and IH as well. But by the time they filmed the concerts of Nimes and Rotterdam PONO was already dropped from the set, and IH was not frequent.
What is more debetable is what you expressed by "they suck the life out of it". It is true that OTN was reprocessed in the studio, especially the vocals. This is a complete mindset change compared to Alchemy. Even today Alchemy promotion reemphasize the fact that it is a pure concert "as it is" with no overdubs of any kind. 9 years later, why did the mindset change so much ? I don't know. I believe in MK is now closed to the spirit of Alchemy than this of OTN. Minus the speed, of course...
By the way, who is CI ? I know Chuck Ainlay, but that would be CA...
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Exactly.
OTN is really terrible. Wrong songs, incomplete and parts missing.
I also prefer good and complete FM recordings. With all the mistakes and everything. It should be live really.
The Crowfly recordings e.g. were really good.
So live downloads are O.K. for me. In MP3 and WAV format. MP3 as a cheaper possibility of course.
Anyway: A double live CD or DVD/Blue Ray would be the best...
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why does everyoner forget about the option of releasing every show of the tour, as Depeche mode, pearl jam and many others do?
the freaks can get all shows (i would :lol ) and the rest can get the ones that they went to
also, there is one song that does not suck mucho on OTN and that is you and your friend...
anyways, it is now down to us fans to record as many shows as possible.
i know i am (Bournemouth is in the pocekt, others will follow)
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Hmm, but we would complain if OTN was never released on DVD? :-\ At least we have something... I'm satisfied with my a night in london, RLRR and OTN DVD's...
Bonaparte is on two of them! ;D HA! :lol
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I really hope that something from GLTour will be released. :P
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On the night is incredible in my opinion.....probably the reason I really fell for the straits!!!!!!!!!!
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For OTN they filmed the shows from Nimes and Rotterdam.
They had no PONO for these shows, and I am almost sure they had no IH either.
They had FTB, TILYTM and WICWTY, but these are of lesser importance IMHO.
So, what they could have released are the missing 4 main ones: SoS, TOL, TR and TYL.
TR is clearly better on Alchemy I think (the pedal steel is a show stopper)
For SoS opinons differ. If you like sax on it, you can buy the live aid dvds. Expensive just for one song, but a good substitute for the 92 versions.
For TWL Alchemy with Mel Collins is better.
As for TOL, this is the one where i feel that 92 versions were the best, i regret not having it, but even the Basel boot will not give it.
In short, now that we have both Alchemy and OTN on vid
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Yeah, meant CA not CI.
Still stand by my opinion that I'd rather watch a VHS sourced Basel 92 gig than an official OTN DVD...
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Really Great News for All MK-Fans
http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=1346.0
Live recordings to be made available via Simfy! Official from Paul Crockford
http://simfylive.com/en/artist/3272/Mark-Knopfler.html