A Mark In Time
Previous Tours => 2010 Get Lucky Tour => Topic started by: marky49 on May 31, 2010, 10:16:26 AM
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Spare ticket for the Thursday show. Arena B, Row 15, Seat 10
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No setlist yet?
Pottel, did you fell asleep? ;D
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The report from Pottel till now is only DIFFERENT SHIRT! :lol
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we got lucky again
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No setlist yet?
Pottel, did you fell asleep? ;D
I think we can take a wild guess at the setlist. Probably the same as it's been for the last five years, give or take, but with a couple of songs off Get Lucky tacked on at the start and the end.
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i did send in the setlist, but the recipients were probably too busy 8)
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The report from Pottel till now is only DIFFERENT SHIRT! :lol
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Is there a picture of the SHIRT plsssssssssss ?
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Right after the gig I have got an sms from Elian, really bad news, I'm trying to translate his words.
Sorry if the words seem hard :
"A disaster! One of his worst performance, he has done a live butchery!! We are sad for him... Fingers crossed for tomorrow... And for the rest of the tour above all. We are going to drown our sorrow with some london beers!"
I was shocked reading this, but I trust Elian. He was more than happy after the excellent Dublin gig, and disappointed with the New York's one.
I trust him when he says such things, even if it's not what we like to read about MK :(
Anyone else who was there can tell us more about this "bad" night ?
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I can accept that some shows are better than others, but "live butchery" sounds really excessive don't you think ? I don't think any of his concerts for the past 33 years has deserved such a word, so why start today ?
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I'd suggest to calm down. Our French friend has probably chosen the wrong words in the heat of the moment; I can't imagine the show was THAT bad. Let's wait for some more reviews :)
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And for the shirt: use the link in the post of marky49
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I can accept that some shows are better than others, but "live butchery" sounds really excessive don't you think ? I don't think any of his concerts for the past 33 years has deserved such a word, so why start today ?
I agree it should be excessive, Elian is sometimes "hot" with his words :)
His french original word was "massacre live", I think we understand his feelings.
I will try to know more from him today. That's also why I am curious to read different reviews.
Maybe MK has suffered a lot yesterday because of the injury and has made many errors ?
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Or maybe all the vip's in the first seven rows had been entertained with a wild party after the show the day before so that they can be blamed for Mark's condition? :lol :lol :lol
LE
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The unanimous trend so far was that he was getter better every night (if it is possible !)
I have carefully listened to the RAH # show I have purchased, and I found it te be excellent, better than the USA audience concerts I listened to, and way above the 2008 concerts; that was 4 days ago... and the reviews are excellent up to the previous show on June 2nd; so, assuming there is an element of truth in your friend's report, what happened ??? I can only think of a severe health deterioration, and that worries me... First, of course, for Mark, and then, selfishly, for the show in Paris I'm going to attend in 5 days with 3 ladies...
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The only thing I can add to this discussion that I attended RAH sunday and monday. On sunday MK looked fresh and happy during the whole show, but on monday after the show he looked tired. So I hope he will have a good day off on saturday. I will be in Antwerp on sunday and in Franfurt on monday, you will hear about that shows from me :)
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Or maybe all the vip's in the first seven rows had been entertained with a wild party after the show the day before so that they can be blamed for Mark's condition? :lol :lol :lol
LE
Excellent LE !!! :lol
I can't imagine MK feel at ease in a "mega aftershow" ;)
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Come on people, everyone has got his ups and downs and we all have our good and bad days in life. And talking about MK it is a matter of concentration. Sure, he had his moments of distraction and his concentration slipped a bit (especially on the lyrics) but he always delivers on a very high standard and therefore we are ...spoiled! It was a great show.
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I can accept that some shows are better than others, but "live butchery" sounds really excessive don't you think ? I don't think any of his concerts for the past 33 years has deserved such a word, so why start today ?
I agree it should be excessive, Elian is sometimes "hot" with his words :)
His french original word was "massacre live", I think we understand his feelings.
I will try to know more from him today. That's also why I am curious to read different reviews.
Maybe MK has suffered a lot yesterday because of the injury and has made many errors ?
Every fan has his own expectations and feelings. And his own words and ratings.
What Elian calls a live butchery could just be "one of the best shows of the tour" for someone else. ;)
I wouldn't worry at all.
Mark was certainly not well inspired and that's it.
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Marky were you there ? can you tell us specifically how it compares to the available RAH #1, and which, if any, mistakes were made ? was Mark tired ? in pain ? or none of these ? Thanks for sharing your review !
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Agree with Herlock....what ACTUALLY happened??? ???
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Well, whatever happened I think it's time for a rethink at the end of this tour. Whilst he's still playing well and the musicianship is fantastic, the set list needs a serious shaking up.
It's been pretty much the same since the Shangri-la tour, with the exception of a couple of new album tracks thrown in each time. The core of it is essentially the same, with the same few songs being played to run out the show and R and J and SOS in the middle etc. I deliberately didn't look at any setlists this time in order to be surprised when I went on Sunday, and it ended up being more or less the same as in 2008.
Surely it's not beyond the capability of a band that skilled to learn a load of songs and pick and choose each night to keep it fresh. I can't believe they don't get bored playing the same songs each night too. Yes, I know he occasionaly drops one or substitutes one but that doesn't really make for variety.
It'll be back to the drawing board after this tour, hopefully.
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Thank you, Marky, for those beautiful pictures! :D
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I'm at all RAH shows as they are my home shows, we live here.
Once again, he had some moments of lack of concentration (e.g. on the lyrics during STP) yesterday but who cares, he is not a machine and it is for sure tiring to deliver every night on a very high standard. But he is also a human being, are we perfect everyday? Well, at least I'm not because some days I'm doing mistakes which I won't do on a very good day. That's all, nothing needs to be compared.
BTW, nobody mentioned his huge greeny during BIA the night before. That can happen, but I'm sure he is upset about himself then.
Looking forward to the last night at the Albert...see you there!
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Oh, please stop moaning about set-lists! I really enjoyed all of my concerts and I think he catered for everyone - casual fans and us nerds too. Of course, it would have been nice to hear So Far From the Clyde, etc, but I am just overjoyed that he is still playing and touring so much at his age and especially with his trapped nerve problem. I'm sure most of these moaners are nowhere near MK's age - could they do the same? :-\
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Well then, Marky, enjoy it!!! :D It will be the last night with Mike McGoldrick, won't it? That is a pity, I wish I could hear him in Hamburg again. His contributions to some songs, especially Marbletown, were great in my opinion! I am so happy to have these great recordings now that I do not care about setlists any longer! It could be more interesting, yes, but it WORKS! And that is the most important thing!
RAH will see me again in the future.... ;)
LE
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Thanks for the pics Marky, as always they are great. And I totally agree, he isn't a machine nor are we. But even when he is less concentrated on a particular night he delivers a higher standard than most others. Looking forward to Antwerp and Frankfurt again ;)
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Hi - First time poster here but feel I have to comment on this.
I was at the Sunday show and was there last night. I couldn't tell the two performances apart. Both were superb and let me tell you MK is the same as always - a true professional. His health isn't in question (apart from the obvious) he was in fine spirits last night laughing and joking with the audience about the fact he was sat on a stool and said he IS getting better. To the people who are seeing him in the coming weeks - I really wouldn't worry. The usual standing ovations again happened and at the end people rushed to the front of the stage - a sign to me that all is well with the performance.
I took two guests who were over in the UK on a short break. Whilst being MK fans they'd never seen him live before and hadn't really kept in touch with his solo stuff. I met up with them afterwards and my guests first words to me was "the mans a living legend, that was incredible" they also were incredibly impressed with the musicianship of the band.
To finish, i'll also mention that his vocals are much much better on this tour and i've also been really impressed with Danny Cummings, you can really tell he is in his element.
Simon - SJS1978
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Well then, Marky, enjoy it!!! :D It will be the last night with Mike McGoldrick, won't it? That is a pity, I wish I could hear him in Hamburg again. His contributions to some songs, especially Marbletown, were great in my opinion! I am so happy to have these great recordings now that I do not care about setlists any longer! It could be more interesting, yes, but it WORKS! And that is the most important thing!
RAH will see me again in the future.... ;)
LE
Next week I'm coming over to the continent. Seeing good old Germany again! ;-)
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Well, whatever happened I think it's time for a rethink at the end of this tour. Whilst he's still playing well and the musicianship is fantastic, the set list needs a serious shaking up.
It's been pretty much the same since the Shangri-la tour, with the exception of a couple of new album tracks thrown in each time. The core of it is essentially the same, with the same few songs being played to run out the show and R and J and SOS in the middle etc.
Well let's compare tours on, let's say, a typical setlist (I won't go into the small variations)
GH vs. OES: 8 songs in common, 2 revived songs from previous tours, around 10 new ones; 50% (revived+new;) 50% DS, 50% solo
STP vs. GH: 9, 2, 7; 50%;40/60
SL vs. STP: 13, 0, 4;24%;40/60
KTGC vs. SL: 9,2,6; 47%;30/70
GL vs. KTGC: 10,2,5; 41%;30/70
Based on these numbers, we can safely say that:
1/The DS portion has been constantly reduced to be stabilized at 30%; a list of songs that captures the very best of DS history, SoS the one that started it all, TR the most beautiful prog rock song ever, BiA the most accomplished touching one, and RAJ.. well that's the one I would like to go in favor of ToL as a love song, but I allow things to be not 100% perfect. This reduction is a sign of moving forward rather than senility.
2/The least innovative tour was the acclaimed Shangri-La one, and the GL tour is in the same line as the KTGC tour as far as innovation is concerned.
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Not sure if approaching a musical event like an MK concert by percentage is the right way to judge it... :disbelief
The quality of the band is so much better than on the 2005 tour, and it is just one great musical experience! I however feel satisfied ONE HUNDRED % !! ;D
LE
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How many shows have you been to? I was at hundreds of MK shows...Don't get me wrong, but if you don't like it, don't go there! And, the rest of us gets better seats... ;D
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Not sure if approaching a musical event like an MK concert by percentage is the right way to judge it... :disbelief
The quality of the band is so much better than on the 2005 tour, and it is just one great musical experience! I however feel satisfied ONE HUNDRED % !! ;D
LE
Of course it is not the right way to judge it :) My post was provocative, just to show that numbers don't lie, and that objectively and quantitatively, MK is not on "autopilot" and keeps innovating.
Now, if we have a qualitative discussion, listening to RAH #1 i feel that overall the sound and arrangements are better than 2001, 2005 and 2008 combined - more energy, more complexity. I have just one reservation, maybe I still need some time to adjust to the new (well, since 2008) laid-back TR... 2005 still sounds a bit better to me (while Alchemy is too "rocking").
In terms of diversity 2010 is of course much better than 1996, but still, I would not say that the GL tour is on par with the '96 GH tour as far as sound is concered. This first tour was so energetic that SoS and TR are my absolute favourites, even better than any DS tour !
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Nice statistics, it says that moarning is not right ;D
And what is improving everytime: the arrangments. Never heard Marbletown this way, the best musicians playing it so unbelievable well. I will miss Mike at the continent, he is adding a real great value to some songs.
And yes, I moarn sometime as well, Done with Bonaparte by example. But I've heard it 4 times now this tour and live ... I keep on loving it as well. And as said before, I heard the best live performances ever by MK the first 2 RAH-nights, didn't do the others.
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And yes, I moarn sometime as well, Done with Bonaparte by example. But I've heard it 4 times now this tour and live ... I keep on loving it as well. And as said before, I heard the best live performances ever by MK the first 2 RAH-nights, didn't do the others.
If a chauvinist Frenchman like myself can love DWB, then anybody can. Especially the Brits :)
Btw did you notice the key for this song keeps going higher and higher ? makes it more liveful :)
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I am going to the last night at the RAH tonight, and I want to tell you all now that Mark and the boys were simply fantastic and everyone in the crowd had a brilliant time.
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And yes, I moarn sometime as well, Done with Bonaparte by example. But I've heard it 4 times now this tour and live ... I keep on loving it as well. And as said before, I heard the best live performances ever by MK the first 2 RAH-nights, didn't do the others.
If a chauvinist Frenchman like myself can love DWB, then anybody can. Especially the Brits :)
Btw did you notice the key for this song keeps going higher and higher ? makes it more liveful :)
Bonaparte gets on my nerves too but I have to say that Mike Mc Goldrick (hope I spelled it correctly, too lazy to look it up) really enhances the song for me. Pity he won't come to Germany with the rest of the band... Did I miss the reason for this, btw?
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Yes Herlock it is higher again and Mike was playing Ulean pipes (do I write this well?) really superb on it.
Si I hope MK will employ him for some gigs at the continent again ;D
While writing this Goldenheart wrote about the same ;)
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I'm glad someone finally brought the numbers forward, because I'm really tired with all the moaners.
And just a couple of facts: For a musician it's normally not boring to play the same song over and over again. The more you know the song, the more you can improve, improvise and make it your part your own. I think it's the same for acting, for instance. And classical music. You rehearse hundreds of times and perform lots of times afterwords. You don't vary the play just because some spectators choose to watch multiple shows.
About clothing: I absolutely agree that MK and his band mates could have needed some advice when it comes to stage wear. But it's completely normal for an artist to wear similar (or exactly the same) stage clothes throughout a tour. If you check out pictures from Springsteens tour a couple of years ago, he wore the same black shirt, dark blue jeans, black belt and black boots throughout the whole tour. I saw him three times during that tour, and he told the same jokes every time. But who cares?!!! The shows were great, mistakes and all.
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Agree Mossguitar! And clothes .... they should wear where they feel comfortable in. It makes them feel good, so they play better. We are not going to a fashionshow :lol
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Well, whatever happened I think it's time for a rethink at the end of this tour. Whilst he's still playing well and the musicianship is fantastic, the set list needs a serious shaking up.
It's been pretty much the same since the Shangri-la tour, with the exception of a couple of new album tracks thrown in each time. The core of it is essentially the same, with the same few songs being played to run out the show and R and J and SOS in the middle etc.
Well let's compare tours on, let's say, a typical setlist (I won't go into the small variations)
GH vs. OES: 8 songs in common, 2 revived songs from previous tours, around 10 new ones; 50% (revived+new;) 50% DS, 50% solo
STP vs. GH: 9, 2, 7; 50%;40/60
SL vs. STP: 13, 0, 4;24%;40/60
KTGC vs. SL: 9,2,6; 47%;30/70
GL vs. KTGC: 10,2,5; 41%;30/70
Based on these numbers, we can safely say that:
1/The DS portion has been constantly reduced to be stabilized at 30%; a list of songs that captures the very best of DS history, SoS the one that started it all, TR the most beautiful prog rock song ever, BiA the most accomplished touching one, and RAJ.. well that's the one I would like to go in favor of ToL as a love song, but I allow things to be not 100% perfect. This reduction is a sign of moving forward rather than senility.
2/The least innovative tour was the acclaimed Shangri-La one, and the GL tour is in the same line as the KTGC tour as far as innovation is concerned.
You can bring up statistics to prove anything if you want to - 85% of people know that! ;D
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Agree Mossguitar! And clothes .... they should wear where they feel comfortable in. It makes them feel good, so they play better. We are not going to a fashionshow :lol
You are right of course. BUT the silly fangirl in me would love to see those unbuttoned white shirts again... :P
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I am going to the last night at the RAH tonight, and I want to tell you all now that Mark and the boys were simply fantastic and everyone in the crowd had a brilliant time.
Have fun tonight!
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I am going to put in a very professional performance Rollergirl! ;)
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Hi,
I attend all RAH shows and although I think Elian in excess in his words, but yesterday performance did provide many many mistakes during soloing on many songs. But this part of the game, Mark could play it the easy way and note for note everynight but he doesn't. Everynight is challenging for him and sometimes he's not in. The good thing is I have good hopes that tonight will be better.
To date for me best RAH shows were monday followed by tuesday one.
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I am going to put in a very professional performance Rollergirl! ;)
I am sure you will!
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I cannot agree with you ds1984. For me tuesday
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marky, thanks for the pictures. The new shirt is nice. Like goldenheart, MK with a white button down shirt is to die for. Anyway, I love the last pix on page 1. MK with les Paul sitting down. very nice shot. All the shots are fantastic.
MK is as much a human like you and me. Even if he plays wrong notes sometimes, It doesn't bother me one bit. Same setlist, I'm never bored by it. I can listen to him over and over and every single night. I'm there to absorb the magic, the moment of ever lasting memory that I cherish forever. Nothing else matters to me. Not even the same shirt. ;)
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Hi,
I attend all RAH shows and although I think Elian in excess in his words, but yesterday performance did provide many many mistakes during soloing on many songs. But this part of the game, Mark could play it the easy way and note for note everynight but he doesn't. Everynight is challenging for him and sometimes he's not in. The good thing is I have good hopes that tonight will be better.
To date for me best RAH shows were monday followed by tuesday one.
That's it.
I will let Elian detail his feelings, but when there are many errors (MK is human, no problem) it's hard to understand people saying it was "perfect", "good", "excellent". MK is not god, fans should not be blind and should be able to simply say "it was not good".
I now hope that they will release the recording of that show so we can listen to it and make factual conclusions, not just feelings.
Maybe it was just a bad day for MK.
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Right after the gig I have got an sms from Elian, really bad news, I'm trying to translate his words.
Sorry if the words seem hard :
"A disaster! One of his worst performance, he has done a live butchery!! We are sad for him... Fingers crossed for tomorrow... And for the rest of the tour above all. We are going to drown our sorrow with some london beers!"
I was shocked reading this, but I trust Elian. He was more than happy after the excellent Dublin gig, and disappointed with the New York's one.
I trust him when he says such things, even if it's not what we like to read about MK :(
Anyone else who was there can tell us more about this "bad" night ?
the 3rd of june was the least in a series of great shows, which would still make it an awesome show for any other performer.
i would most definetely not call it disastrous or anything alike.
french drama imho ;D ;)
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my favorites were the last night and tuesdaz, and as mentioned above, the least of a great series of shows being the thursday
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the 3rd of june was the least in a series of great shows, which would still make it an awesome show for any other performer.
i would most definetely not call it disastrous or anything alike.
french drama imho ;D ;)
What is the link between french and the subject of this thread ? ??? Strange remark.
If you think that a lot of errors can lead to an "awesome show" then we can't discuss.
It's just a question of taste or a different level of quality/live experience expected.
It can be a "drama" if you are really disappointed or sad, because Elian was sincerely sad for MK.
I am sure MK was angry about himself. Elian also told me there was the finger of death and as a result MK turned himself - facing the musicians- and showed his back for a minute.
Is that a good attitude and a respect of the audience that comes to see him ?
I won't comment more as I wasn't there, but I know Elian and he has good ears.
Have a good week-end.
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I'm so sorry to interrupt this 'expert's' discussion. :lol Thank you for making me some fun to read it. It's clear that everybody had a different mood ( hot beer or too much sun ). My mood was great during the last 3 concerts so I couldn't notice a very big difference between these concerts. And before you start to kill the little Slavi, would wish to tell you - you completely don't know how good my ears are, don't you? LOL
The only one BIG difference I noticed was the hotter audience of the last concert. I'm not going to comment this "errors" issue being a human creature myself and doing mistakes every day.
I was very happy ( and still am) to be at all these 3 concerts, to meet many of the fans and to enjoy the great experience "MK at RAH".
About the set-list will quote MK when a chap said to him "Play everything!!!" and the result was "So, we didn't"...Hahahaha! I like this sence of humour so much!
I appreciate very much the fact MK wears the same cloths - it's clear message to me about what is important or not. :P
@goldenheart - there was a good air-conditioning system at RAH. So next time I suggest if we have some tongs to break the wires and damage it, so our wish could come true... ;D ;D ;D
Oh...something more - I also appreciated very much the way the pre-sell tickets from MK's website were organized at the venue. To let the fans in the same door as the special guests made me feel some special.
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i just think elian exaggerated it, and if he would listen to a recording of it now, that, yes, he would still hear an error here and there, coz they were undoubtedly there, but the show was most definitely not disastrous, a bit standard maybe, but not bad.
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He CAN listen to a recording now because it's up on Dime:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=307229
and even the tracker!!
http://tracker.knopflertk.net/torrents-details.php?id=1984
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I cannot agree with you ds1984. For me tuesday
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I have just listened to the whole of Thursday's concert and, yes, there were lots of mistakes and it wasn't as good as any of the concerts I attended, BUT, it is much better than I was led to believe and lots of songs were very good! :) Everyone has an off-day and perhaps MK was tired, after the evening before, when all the families were present for an after-show reception. Guy said as much on his forum, that entertaining for two hours after the show was very tiring. I'm sure he will be his old self now the partying is over! :D
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Yeah...maybe MK was tired, so that was the reason he was not at the after show party on Thursday.
I haven't been on that party but know it from a reliable source. ;)
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I dont wanna listen to it, if people here recognize there were many mistakes, I
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I can accept that some shows are better than others, but "live butchery" sounds really excessive don't you think ? I don't think any of his concerts for the past 33 years has deserved such a word, so why start today ?
I agree it should be excessive, Elian is sometimes "hot" with his words :)
His french original word was "massacre live", I think we understand his feelings.
I will try to know more from him today. That's also why I am curious to read different reviews.
Maybe MK has suffered a lot yesterday because of the injury and has made many errors ?
To conclude this NO POLEMIC, only one example : Listen HFB and the last 40s solo guitar, 5 mistakes in 40s!!! I don't want to make a professor but if we take the timeline :
3m39s, 3m42s, 4m04s, 4m11, 4m17...
sorry about that but with these under-performances, we can't say it's a good show.
The 04.06 was a good concert not more, Anwterpen was a excellent concert (very Hot audience) and Mark was enjoyed.
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aaah, poupystar on notre forum, soyez le bienvenu!!
to bad we did not meet yesterday.
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Indeed! Welcome Poupy. We really are getting a lot of great MK fans joining us here now. I noticed US Blonde joined the other day too for example.
Would be great if Henk came over from the dark side too, this is the place to be. :)