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Title: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 06, 2010, 10:13:51 PM
I seem to remember sometime around 1993-1994 when I was living at home with my parents that one Christmas there was a televised concert on 'channel 4' of Dire Straits 'live from Basle'  during the OES tour and this concert included Sultans and Telegraph road which in my opinion were sadly missed on the 'On the night' live video/DVD.

I am after a copy if someone has a copy and is good enough to copy it onto DVD for me and I will pay all expenses to achieve this..

Cheers
Steve
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: olazabalrok on August 06, 2010, 10:42:42 PM
http://tracker.knopflertk.net/torrents-details.php?id=1231&page=0
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 07, 2010, 09:11:37 AM
http://tracker.knopflertk.net/torrents-details.php?id=1231&page=0

Yes, it's on the tracker but if you're not set up for torrents I'll sort you out with a copy. Brilliant gig, so much better than On the Night.
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 07, 2010, 06:53:16 PM
http://tracker.knopflertk.net/torrents-details.php?id=1231&page=0

Yes, it's on the tracker but if you're not set up for torrents I'll sort you out with a copy. Brilliant gig, so much better than On the Night.

No I am not set up for torrents but I really appreciate you doing a copy for me.. Please PM me on how you wish to do proceedings....
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 07, 2010, 08:47:05 PM
Moved house yesterday so my shit is all over the place, give me a little while to get organised and I'll get it done.  :)
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 07, 2010, 09:03:01 PM
Moved house yesterday so my shit is all over the place, give me a little while to get organised and I'll get it done.  :)

No rush whatsoever, many thanks in advance... :)
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: xxFordiexx on August 07, 2010, 09:45:06 PM
Hi,

I have PM's you my address if you still want me to do you a copy  ;D
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 07, 2010, 10:07:35 PM
Hi,

I have PM's you my address if you still want me to do you a copy  ;D

Yes recieved your PM and I have PM'd you back. DV no need to worry now as Fordie has indeed come to the rescue. Thankyou to all concerned...
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: xxFordiexx on August 10, 2010, 03:41:05 PM
Hi, I have received your disc this morning thanks!

Just before I do you a copy I was just checking my copy and it is a very good version but I think the original source must have been on video (VHS). Although I think it's perfectly ok you may think otherwise. It is from a tv broadcast which was in 4:3. Is this ok with you for me to go ahead?
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 10, 2010, 06:05:11 PM
Hi, I have received your disc this morning thanks!

Just before I do you a copy I was just checking my copy and it is a very good version but I think the original source must have been on video (VHS). Although I think it's perfectly ok you may think otherwise. It is from a tv broadcast which was in 4:3. Is this ok with you for me to go ahead?

That is perfectly fine and I'm very grateful for you doing me copy Ben!!
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: schmonka on August 11, 2010, 08:43:52 PM
Ive re-watched this concert and agree it is a very good concert indeed and really captures a "typical" concert of the On Every Street era...and ive come to a very personal conclusion, which im not sure many other forumists would agree with...

Sultans....yes the extended arrangement with the sax is a bit pants and does go on a bit but i really would love to hear Mark perform Sultans with a Pensa - you know?  He makes his noodling look effortless - like he could do it all day and i know not all of you agree - but i really like the Pensa sound and would love to hear Sultans performed with this today - leave the MK signature strat in the cupboard and unleash this beast......TR is not enough for this mighty guitar....
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 11, 2010, 11:43:42 PM
Ive re-watched this concert and agree it is a very good concert indeed and really captures a "typical" concert of the On Every Street era...and ive come to a very personal conclusion, which im not sure many other forumists would agree with...

Sultans....yes the extended arrangement with the sax is a bit pants and does go on a bit but i really would love to hear Mark perform Sultans with a Pensa - you know?  He makes his noodling look effortless - like he could do it all day and i know not all of you agree - but i really like the Pensa sound and would love to hear Sultans performed with this today - leave the MK signature strat in the cupboard and unleash this beast......TR is not enough for this mighty guitar....

schmonka, as a guitarist myself I agree with practically all your comments espeically the very pants 'sax' part which I cannot stand at all.... but to be honest as a Fender man I must disagree with the 'pensa' comment.

This is purely a personal comment but when Mark started 'solo' in 1996 the Pensa suited his playing then espeically as he was fresh in our minds as the lead guitarist from Dire Straits albeit with more rootsy material but over time he has become to me a Stratocaster king and therefore for him to play a pensa now would seem very strange to me.

I also think at the end of the day for the 'OES' tour the Pensa's sound was set up very well for the big arena's they played at the time and I would bet my bottom dollar that Mark could achieve the same if not better sound with his trusty 'signature' strat now and in my opinion does.....

Still I like a lot of people would watch him play any 'old' guitar just so long as he is playing it!!!
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: xxFordiexx on August 12, 2010, 10:23:37 AM
Yeah I have said it many times before that Mark was on top of his game in this tour! If you look at loads of stuff on youtube you will find Mark was mindblowing on so many of the songs he performed..... The Sultan, Telegraph Road and TOL solos are out of this world and I'm afraid to say it but I prefer these versions to the Alchemy ones :) only just mind.

Mark had progressed so much as a guitarist since the 10 year gap of Alchemy and it was done so flawlessly.

Saying that Alchemy is just out of this world too but you know what I mean
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: schmonka on August 12, 2010, 10:39:59 AM
I really agree - MK was really on top of things with this tour - the playing was mindblowing!
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 12, 2010, 01:47:41 PM
Yeah I have said it many times before that Mark was on top of his game in this tour! If you look at loads of stuff on youtube you will find Mark was mindblowing on so many of the songs he performed..... The Sultan, Telegraph Road and TOL solos are out of this world and I'm afraid to say it but I prefer these versions to the Alchemy ones :) only just mind.

Mark had progressed so much as a guitarist since the 10 year gap of Alchemy and it was done so flawlessly.

Saying that Alchemy is just out of this world too but you know what I mean

With grateful thanks to fordie, I have the said 'Basle' concert on in the background as I'm typing (Sultans at mo!) and it is literally out of this world.
When I first saw this concert on tv I was 19 and Mark was and still is my Guitar Hero along with Hank Marvin.
And I can now see why that Mark's phenomenal playing in this concert made me want to pick up a Stratocaster and learn to play!!! Just listen to The bug, Sultans, TR & Brothers to see what I mean!!
This concert leaves 'Alchemy' in the shade but we have to remember all the years difference and how the recording equipment and guitar sounds had moved on between those years. 'Alchemy' is still a gem in my eyes and 'Live in Basle' is just awesome!!

Thanks to Fordie once again!! you are a true 'Knopfler' friend!!
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: xxFordiexx on August 12, 2010, 02:16:03 PM
My pleasure :)

It's no denying how amazing Alchemy was, especially when you concider some of the other bands on tour at the time. DS had the perfect sound and musicianship.

It's just a pure fact that not only was the band even better by the time On Every Street came out but Mark's guitaring was at an unbelievable level, one I'm sure many other guitarists must be very envious off.

My pleasure Knopfler fan, Enjoy :)
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 12, 2010, 02:31:39 PM
I think that by this great tour in 1992 you could say with hand on heart 'thats 'Dire Straits' playing but after listening to this great concert is it really 'Mark Knopfler' and his big band rather than just 'Dire Straits'? Perhaps this was really a 'practice' run for what was to become of MK with his now fantastic band?
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Rollergirl on August 12, 2010, 03:09:42 PM
As it seems to be On every Street tour day  ;D and I don't have the Basel one, I am now watching the Nimes gig (september, I was there!!!) and it kicks arse too!

I don't know the difference between a Pensa and a Strat, apart from the colour.
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: superval99 on August 12, 2010, 03:52:56 PM
I remember recording the Basel gig from Channel 4, but it was not the whole concert.  It was Christmas Eve and I was just overwhelmed by the whole thing - it was the best Christmas present I could have ever wished for!  I am certain that I watched it just about every day for months on end and never tired of watching - indeed I still love it to this day!  

Previously I had only Alchemy to watch, so this was only my 2nd DS recording.   Now thanks to the internet and wonderful forums like this, I now have the whole concert and also hundreds of others with which to indulge myself!   How things have changed in a relatively short time.    :)  
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: ds1984 on August 12, 2010, 03:59:40 PM
I think that by this great tour in 1992 you could say with hand on heart 'thats 'Dire Straits' playing but after listening to this great concert is it really 'Mark Knopfler' and his big band rather than just 'Dire Straits'? Perhaps this was really a 'practice' run for what was to become of MK with his now fantastic band?

This is the reason why I enjoy 1996 so much and that I have the same "overcrowded stage" feeling again in 2010.

This is a question of balance, as you prefer a whole band performance with each member beautiffuly supplying great lines to Mark's music or Mark being the frontman with just a solid and tight backing.

For example for years I enjoyed very much the sax part on Going Home but when I heard it saxless in 1996 it was even better because I could actualy enjoy more Mark's playing.

So as a fan of the guitar hero, the 1996/2005 line up scheme is perfect for that purpose.


Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Love Expresso on August 12, 2010, 05:38:03 PM
For me, 1996 was and IS the best tour of all. MK played much more guitar during the GH tour, concentrated, long virtously played solos, great power chords, great fat Gibson sound, the complete set list was built for a full-of-relish guitar sound, I loved it! He made me gawp at his fingers during Calling Elvis or The Bug, and when he played Going Home in that great style, I thought this cannot be played better.

The 1992 sound was a little bit too "synthetic" in my opinion. However I always loved the Nimes 1992 video more than the Basel show, just because Mark seemed a little bit fresher there. Both were great to have and have of course, they must have been watched on a daily base by me at least for one year after the tour ended (...well, at least parts of it...) And how easy it was in those days to get a complete show, from the first note to the last fire works blast, without any editing or cutting or whatsoever...

Since then, Marks guitar playing declined more and more. Maybe a hard statement (on his birthday) but it is true. Noyadays it is just good music, with somebody also playing guitar on stage. Sometimes. Sultans from 2010 is not more than a shadow from the old days, it hurts me to listen to it these days, he really should not play it anymore. And the most memorable stuff from the 2010 tour is Marbletown or Piper To The End, which of couse sounds so great because of the breat sounding band - not because of a guitar virtuoso! But I think that is exactly the ways he wants it to be! We all have the choice to follow him or not.

LE
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Rollergirl on August 12, 2010, 05:58:45 PM
Nowadays it is just good music

Fine by me! I am one of the (rare?) ones who didn't/doesn't care much for long guitar solos (although I liked them too!). To me DS/MK has always been much, much more.
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: dmg on August 12, 2010, 06:07:14 PM
For me, 1996 was and IS the best tour of all. MK played much more guitar during the GH tour, concentrated, long virtously played solos, great power chords, great fat Gibson sound, the complete set list was built for a full-of-relish guitar sound, I loved it! He made me gawp at his fingers during Calling Elvis or The Bug, and when he played Going Home in that great style, I thought this cannot be played better.

The 1992 sound was a little bit too "synthetic" in my opinion. However I always loved the Nimes 1992 video more than the Basel show, just because Mark seemed a little bit fresher there. Both were great to have and have of course, they must have been watched on a daily base by me at least for one year after the tour ended (...well, at least parts of it...) And how easy it was in those days to get a complete show, from the first note to the last fire works blast, without any editing or cutting or whatsoever...

Since then, Marks guitar playing declined more and more. Maybe a hard statement (on his birthday) but it is true. Noyadays it is just good music, with somebody also playing guitar on stage. Sometimes. Sultans from 2010 is not more than a shadow from the old days, it hurts me to listen to it these days, he really should not play it anymore. And the most memorable stuff from the 2010 tour is Marbletown or Piper To The End, which of couse sounds so great because of the breat sounding band - not because of a guitar virtuoso! But I think that is exactly the ways he wants it to be! We all have the choice to follow him or not.

LE
You can't say this on his birthday, especially in light of the fact this was the best Sultans has sounded for a while.  Noooo! :o
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: superval99 on August 12, 2010, 06:12:42 PM
I agree, dmg!   I have really enjoyed Sultans on all of the four concerts I attended and the Simfy recordings I have from this tour, much more than previous solo tours, except for 1996, of course, which was exceptional!   :)
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 12, 2010, 06:25:59 PM
I remember recording the Basel gig from Channel 4, but it was not the whole concert.  It was Christmas Eve and I was just overwhelmed by the whole thing - it was the best Christmas present I could have ever wished for!  I am certain that I watched it just about every day for months on end and never tired of watching - indeed I still love it to this day!  

Previously I had only Alchemy to watch, so this was only my 2nd DS recording.   Now thanks to the internet and wonderful forums like this, I now have the whole concert and also hundreds of others with which to indulge myself!   How things have changed in a relatively short time.    :)  

Well done superval99, I knew it was around Christmas time and there you are you have reminded me that it was on Christmas eve and yes on channel 4. What a pre - Christmas treat that was but like you say it wasn't the whole hog but none the less great to see.

1996 I agree was the greatest I have known Mark play, but I put that down to being still under the influence of 'Straits' days and nowadays he has mellowed probably because he has gone more 'rootsy' rather than 'rock' each to their own of course but what a talent Mark is to be able to adjust to the various styles, I guess thats what attracts a lot of us to his music and more importantly his guitar playing? please also bear in mind MK's age, he goes great guns in my books for a 61 year old!!!! Roll on the next 'MK' project
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: xxFordiexx on August 12, 2010, 06:35:07 PM
As it seems to be On every Street tour day  ;D and I don't have the Basel one, I am now watching the Nimes gig (september, I was there!!!) and it kicks arse too!

I don't know the difference between a Pensa and a Strat, apart from the colour.

Ooh that is a quality gig I have on dvd too...... he has the same clothes on hehe :) I think that Mark is even more energetic on Sultans on that concert too :)
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: xxFordiexx on August 12, 2010, 06:40:51 PM
For me, 1996 was and IS the best tour of all. MK played much more guitar during the GH tour, concentrated, long virtously played solos, great power chords, great fat Gibson sound, the complete set list was built for a full-of-relish guitar sound, I loved it! He made me gawp at his fingers during Calling Elvis or The Bug, and when he played Going Home in that great style, I thought this cannot be played better.

The 1992 sound was a little bit too "synthetic" in my opinion. However I always loved the Nimes 1992 video more than the Basel show, just because Mark seemed a little bit fresher there. Both were great to have and have of course, they must have been watched on a daily base by me at least for one year after the tour ended (...well, at least parts of it...) And how easy it was in those days to get a complete show, from the first note to the last fire works blast, without any editing or cutting or whatsoever...

Since then, Marks guitar playing declined more and more. Maybe a hard statement (on his birthday) but it is true. Noyadays it is just good music, with somebody also playing guitar on stage. Sometimes. Sultans from 2010 is not more than a shadow from the old days, it hurts me to listen to it these days, he really should not play it anymore. And the most memorable stuff from the 2010 tour is Marbletown or Piper To The End, which of couse sounds so great because of the breat sounding band - not because of a guitar virtuoso! But I think that is exactly the ways he wants it to be! We all have the choice to follow him or not.

LE

I disagree heartily I'm afraid. Mark has chosen to perform Sultans this way. If you go back to the likes of Rockpalast '79 or the Old Grey Whistle Test performances or indeed the album version, it's the way Sultans was always played.

The only way Mark would or could play in that style of Basel any more would be to use a Pensa guitar. It's the guitar that allows that particular style of sound.

And also I really beleive Mark just wanted to strip the sound back to it's roots.

Let's be honest Mark still shreds on Telegraph Road so it's not as if he can't play like that anymore.

Just my opinion, and Sultans has been excellent on the GL tour  8)
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Tally on August 12, 2010, 08:14:55 PM
I prefer the Fender Strat to the single coil Pensa. It's the perfect sound for Sultans, and I like it more in general too. The clean Pensa tone always sounded a bit flat compared to the Fender to me.

As for Sultans, the OES tour is not my favourite but of course Mark's playing was superb. 2005 was very good.
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Love Expresso on August 12, 2010, 10:41:37 PM
As for Sultans, the OES tour is not my favourite but of course Mark's playing was superb. 2005 was very good.

I agree, Tallgren! I like the Lyon 2005 version very much. As that whole concert was a very special one.

And coming back to my earlier post from today: Sultans from 2010, COMPARED to the older versions, suffers a little bit and lacks some energy sometimes. That does not automatically mean that I do not like Sultans in general. Sultans is one of my Top-Five-Marky-songs.... But every tour has its ups and downs. For example, that Wembley-Arena-1985-version is still the all-time-favourite for me. But from the same tour I heard some worse sounding (bootlegged) versions.
Also 2010: Hamburg's Sultans WAS great! But in some other towns, it went not so well. That shows how much more improvised the guitar playing is nowadays. In the earlier days I think this was not so much the case . From 2005 on, Mark started to give the two longer solos a totally new
approach, which sometimes led him into the wrong direction, but sometimes brought some really great results. In my opinion, improvising
on the guitar does not automatically mean playing really great. Some good rehearsed and often repeated stuff can also sound great.

LE
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Tally on August 12, 2010, 10:51:14 PM

And coming back to my earlier post from today: Sultans from 2010, COMPARED to the older versions, suffers a little bit and lacks some energy sometimes. That does not automatically mean that I do not like Sultans in general. Sultans is one of my Top-Five-Marky-songs.... But every tour has its ups and downs. For example, that Wembley-Arena-1985-version is still the all-time-favourite for me. But from the same tour I heard some worse sounding (bootlegged) versions.
Also 2010: Hamburg's Sultans WAS great! But in some other towns, it went not so well. That shows how much more improvised the guitar playing is nowadays. In the earlier days I think this was not so much the case . From 2005 on, Mark started to give the two longer solos a totally new
approach, which sometimes led him into the wrong direction, but sometimes brought some really great results. In my opinion, improvising
on the guitar does not automatically mean playing really great. Some good rehearsed and often repeated stuff can also sound great.

LE

From 2005, I like Rome. Full of energy.

As for improvising, I'm no bootleg expert, but I'm pretty sure that Mark improvised heavily on Sultans at least from 1992 onwards. The difference, I would say, is that he was so good technically in those days and played so much lead that he could improvise effortlessly in his sleep. This is not quite so anymore, though he still gets me from time to time with innovating variations of old licks.
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Love Expresso on August 13, 2010, 07:45:38 AM
Yeah, of course it is easier to improvise a song while playing it the 1000th time, compared to playing it the 5000th time....  :lol

LE
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: superval99 on August 13, 2010, 09:04:22 AM
On every tour there are great renditions of songs and also pretty dire ones, including SOS and 2005 was no exception!   I seem to also remember a terrible version of SOS from Chicago in 2001, for example, as well as great ones,  so it doesn't mean everything was wonderful in the past, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't play it anymore - perish the thought!   Anyway, I really enjoyed SOS on the Get Lucky tour.   :)
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: dustyvalentino on August 13, 2010, 09:28:52 AM
Yes, highlights of the Basel tour were shown on C4 but the whole how was broadcast live by Sky. I didnt have Sky but got a mate to tape it for me, I even bought a special "good" blank video tape. Wore that tape out. And then when the highlights were on C4 I taped them too.  :)
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: tunnel85 on August 13, 2010, 11:51:09 AM
It seems that once again, I'm completely out of tune.  ;)
I used to claim during many years that I was missing DS, now I wouldn't go backwards.  :disbelief

I just loved the 2010 version of SOS !
Found it to be the best I've ever seen or heard, especially the one I was lucky to see in Prague.
Need to go  further into 2010 recordings, maybe I will find a better one. It would be a terrific one !  
4-piece band, played as "simple" as the original, no need to add sax, piano or flute parts.    
Don't get me wrong, past versions were great with Mark playing faster, doing longer solos but I've always thought there was a lack of original taste.

So Mark is getting older (believe me, I'm the first one to say we all do !), but he still is the Master.
When I listen to Marbletown or Telegraph Road, I don't see what is missing compared to past years.
Energy is missing but not talent.




Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: superval99 on August 13, 2010, 12:01:29 PM
You're not out of tune with me, tunnel85!    I am in total agreement!    ;D
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Banjo99uk on August 13, 2010, 07:20:20 PM
I reckon I wore out my tape and video player after recording that gig on channel 4.  I can remember my brothers mate coming over once and saying to me, do you listen to anthing else? I think its so much fresher sounding than On The Night, I may be wrong but I reckon there is some jiggery pockery with Marks voice on OTN.  His voice just doesn't sound right to me.
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Knopflerfan on August 13, 2010, 10:02:27 PM
It seems that once again, I'm completely out of tune.  ;)
I used to claim during many years that I was missing DS, now I wouldn't go backwards.  :disbelief

I just loved the 2010 version of SOS !
Found it to be the best I've ever seen or heard, especially the one I was lucky to see in Prague.
Need to go  further into 2010 recordings, maybe I will find a better one. It would be a terrific one !  
4-piece band, played as "simple" as the original, no need to add sax, piano or flute parts.    
Don't get me wrong, past versions were great with Mark playing faster, doing longer solos but I've always thought there was a lack of original taste.

So Mark is getting older (believe me, I'm the first one to say we all do !), but he still is the Master.
When I listen to Marbletown or Telegraph Road, I don't see what is missing compared to past years.
Energy is missing but not talent.






Many thanks for your input tunnel 85, you have summed up everything that this thread is about and you are like me by thinking what you have put as your punchline...Energy is missing but NOT talent - what words of wisdom!!
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: ds1984 on August 14, 2010, 12:58:08 AM
You can't replace enregy by talent - they are two complementary things.

On SOS 2010 the band behind Mark just play it like it was never played before but the lead guitar part does not sound as "easy" or "fluent" it used to be. This is for me the big difference between now and then but I would not say that Mark did improve anyhow performing that one now - except that definitively less eratic than some of the '05 versions. But being able to attend multiple shows on that tour, I had great fun on one of these to concentrate on only Danny playing the drum and not pay too much attention to the rest of the band during SOS.
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Love Expresso on August 14, 2010, 07:51:21 AM
You can't replace enregy by talent - they are two complementary things.

On SOS 2010 the band behind Mark just play it like it was never played before but the lead guitar part does not sound as "easy" or "fluent" it used to be. This is for me the big difference between now and then but I would not say that Mark did improve anyhow performing that one now - except that definitively less eratic than some of the '05 versions. But being able to attend multiple shows on that tour, I had great fun on one of these to concentrate on only Danny playing the drum and not pay too much attention to the rest of the band during SOS.

Exactly.

LE
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: holaknopfler on August 14, 2010, 12:40:28 PM
Maybe I`m wrong on this one, but I`ll rather see a SOS full of energy etc than a version that hasn`t got those things. Maybe he better replace it by another DS song. No, not MFN or Walk Of Life.
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Dutchessy on August 14, 2010, 05:50:49 PM
Maybe I`m wrong on this one, but I`ll rather see a SOS full of energy etc than a version that hasn`t got those things. Maybe he better replace it by another DS song. No, not MFN or Walk Of Life.

hmm, nothing wrong with 2010's version imo
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Hoops McCann on August 14, 2010, 07:13:07 PM
Can we keep this on topic? If you want to discuss MK's progression, please put it in this thread:

http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php?topic=1314
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Love Expresso on August 14, 2010, 09:35:12 PM
Ok!

My take: Mark was very virtuous in 1992, the same way in Basel as in Nimes for example, but he also had a very "cool", maybe "arrogant" and tough aura.
He played it as if it was nothing. Nowadays, he plays it more from his heart. He has given up the "Maestro", makes some mistakes here and there but has
much more fun to do this little "four-piece-fun" as he names it. So as long as Mark is fine with the song, the audience will love it.

In Basel Mark looked very tired and sounded sometimes very weak when it comes to singing. At Nimes, he was much more lively, his hair was ridiculously
long and he played Sultans like the Devil himself. I would prefer the Nimes version to Basel. But "Private Investigations" from Basel is also really from another world...

If I wanted to get this on a DVD, not being into this tracker thing, what should I do?

LE
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: sweetsurrender on August 15, 2010, 06:45:05 AM
Ok!

My take: Mark was very virtuous in 1992, the same way in Basel as in Nimes for example, but he also had a very "cool", maybe "arrogant" and tough aura.
He played it as if it was nothing. Nowadays, he plays it more from his heart. He has given up the "Maestro", makes some mistakes here and there but has
much more fun to do this little "four-piece-fun" as he names it. So as long as Mark is fine with the song, the audience will love it.

In Basel Mark looked very tired and sounded sometimes very weak when it comes to singing. At Nimes, he was much more lively, his hair was ridiculously
long and he played Sultans like the Devil himself. I would prefer the Nimes version to Basel. But "Private Investigations" from Basel is also really from another world...

If I wanted to get this on a DVD, not being into this tracker thing, what should I do?

LE

Last night I got the opportunity to watch this concert again after sooo long.  It was indeed an amazing gig.  I had to agree with LE on Mark's singing.  His voice was scruffy at times and I don't think he sang the best.  I don't quite see Mark being arrogant but more confident and comfortable in his playing that he was able to play so effortlessly.  It reminded me of " A night in London" when Mark played SOS almost in the same manner albeit less ostentatious. 

Irregardless, it was undoubtably amazing.  I'm still trying to decide whether Alchemy is better than Basel or not. I'm gravitating toward Alchemy partly because Mark looked so much better than 1992.  He looked so worn out during OES tour. 

LE,

I got my Basel DVD a few years ago.  (not a torrent)  This concert looked professionally taped to me.  Sharp picture/sound from every angle. Incredible.

Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: superval99 on August 15, 2010, 09:23:26 AM
Yesterday evening I played Sultans from both Nimes and Basel, followed by the version from "A Night in London".   Regarding Nimes versus Basel, Basel won hands down!   I found the Nimes version to have some glitches here and there, whereas the Basel version was just about flawless and I enjoyed the general performance much more anyway.  The atmosphere was better at Basel too.  I think, though, that both of these sound a bit dated now with the sax giving them a very 80's feel!  

Next I played Sultans from "A Night in London"  and it is amazing how much slower this version is to the other two, when played back-to-back,  but no less wonderful, so, for me, the speed or energy, whatever you like to call it,  doesn't matter one bit, it is the accuracy that counts.   It's no good playing fast or energetic if the notes are in the wrong order, LOL!  

These days, even though I loved the other performances, it is the four-piece version that I enjoy most, especially those from 2010.

Oh, another thing - MK is so much more fanciable these days - he has aged very well indeed!   :P
  
 
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: Love Expresso on August 15, 2010, 10:57:11 AM
Yeah, back in the 90's you could really see that he smoked too much cigarettes. The same at the Wembley-Mandela-gig... Nowadays he really looks healthy, well and .... fanciable...  (had to use LEO to understand what is meant by that term...  ::))

LE
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: superval99 on August 15, 2010, 11:00:27 AM
 ;D :lol :lol
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: schmonka on August 16, 2010, 01:25:13 PM
Yesterday evening I played Sultans from both Nimes and Basel, followed by the version from "A Night in London".   Regarding Nimes versus Basel, Basel won hands down!   I found the Nimes version to have some glitches here and there, whereas the Basel version was just about flawless and I enjoyed the general performance much more anyway.  The atmosphere was better at Basel too.  I think, though, that both of these sound a bit dated now with the sax giving them a very 80's feel!  

Next I played Sultans from "A Night in London"  and it is amazing how much slower this version is to the other two, when played back-to-back,  but no less wonderful, so, for me, the speed or energy, whatever you like to call it,  doesn't matter one bit, it is the accuracy that counts.   It's no good playing fast or energetic if the notes are in the wrong order, LOL!  

These days, even though I loved the other performances, it is the four-piece version that I enjoy most, especially those from 2010.

Oh, another thing - MK is so much more fanciable these days - he has aged very well indeed!   :P
  
 

Val - did you feel the Pensa sound made a difference?  I loved it during the OES tour - but i think im in the minority.....
Title: Re: Dire Straits - On every street tour Live at Basel
Post by: superval99 on August 16, 2010, 02:07:00 PM
Hi Schmonka, At the time of the Basel concert, just like you, I really loved SOS played on the Pensa and it would be interesting to hear it played again with the Pensa and the four-piece band, just as a comparison with the Strat.  I'm certainly no expert on these things - I just know what I like at the time!   I'm quite happy with the sound of the Strat at the moment, though!   :)