A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Pottel on August 19, 2010, 11:10:23 AM
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had my ipod on shuffle, so i can constantly hear new songs (got 120GB on it) and all of the sudden i heard this great intro......je suis desol
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Yeah, maybe a bit overproduced by MK's standards today, but lots of good songs, and of course, a great (the best IMO) tour.
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Listened to that album last week. A bit of patchworks, imho underestimated because of its lacks of unity, but there are really good songs on it such as GH and AWITN.
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No can do has been one of my favourite MK songs, totally underated in my opinion. Works really well live as well.
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yup, no can do,...boy ohboy... and so does don't you get it. heavily underrated.
then there's the b-sides, my claim to fame, long highway (ok, that was already written and performed many times before, but released on this one)
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I like that album a lot and listen to it fairly frequently. I love Je Suis Desole. I like the drum intro on Cannibals. Pretty much, I like all of the album.
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I like very much "Don`t you get it", even although it has such stupid lyrics... Great interaction between Mark and Chad. Bet they recorded this "live", or a
at "one take"...
LE
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GH is a really great album with many many beautiful songs. I like je suis desole too. I feel good being able to sing in French. My favorite album now is RPD. It's interesting that Mark chose to play so many songs from this album on this tour. ;)
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long highway (ok, that was already written and performed many times before, but released on this one)
Was on the What It Is single if memory serves, not GH era. :)
Watching Thank You Australia & NZ last week it was funny to hear the No Can Do riff come up AGAIN (also used it with Clapton), clearly come GH time he thought it was too good a riff to waste. :)
I hate Don't You get It, banal lyrics piss me off.
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I have just installed new speakers in my car, and have been listening to this album a lot, I feel its still very special as it was Mark's 1st solo album and I can remember being so excited on the day it was released waiting to hear what MK sounded like opposed to Dire Straits, and Darling Pretty has been a real favourite of mine ever since, I'd love to hear it live again.
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Yup, I remember being very excited when I bought the album in 1996. I was somewhat troubled with the change of direction, but got used to it. They are parts that I liked more than others. "Cannibals" is too similar to WOL which I don't like. Immelda is too similiar to Heavy Fuel. I mean the DS-like songs were not the best of DS... but there are some gems. I was touched with Rudiger (superb song, no matter what you guys say :p) and the title track (a pitty it is not played live anymore).
While I like the album very much, I still think that STP, TRD (which has grown to be my favourite of all, agree with you Sweetsurrender, the most underrated album ever) and GL were even better solo efforts. But I like it better than SL and KTGC.
And of course the tour was great. Too bad it was too early for SAN to be played !
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I love Golden Heart too, but there are a couple of skippers for me, "No Can Do" and "Don't You Get It". I have skipped these two for so many years, that perhaps it's time to listen a bit more and they will eventually grow on me! Apart from those two tracks, I really love the album, but my favourite solo album of all is still RPD, followed by Get Lucky. :)
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only one skipper for me in the whole knopf repertoire, R&J
:lol
oh i forgot fish and the bird..and also Shangri la...
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Yup, I remember being very excited when I bought the album in 1996. I was somewhat troubled with the change of direction, but got used to it. They are parts that I liked more than others. "Cannibals" is too similar to WOL which I don't like. Immelda is too similiar to Heavy Fuel. I mean the DS-like songs were not the best of DS... but there are some gems. I was touched with Rudiger (superb song, no matter what you guys say :p) and the title track (a pitty it is not played live anymore).
While I like the album very much, I still think that STP, TRD (which has grown to be my favourite of all, agree with you Sweetsurrender, the most underrated album ever) and GL were even better solo efforts. But I like it better than SL and KTGC.
And of course the tour was great. Too bad it was too early for SAN to be played !
That's pretty much exactly how I feel about the album and tour in a nutshell (except perhaps your Rudiger thoughts; not a bad song exactly but not a good live song IMO).
I've started listening to some of my GH bootlegs due to this thread and it came to my attention that there are only really a handful of good quality recordings from the tour apart from the soundboards which is a real pity.
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I like the album but Done with boneyhead does my nut in,it wasnt too bad when you heard it now & again but I've grown to dislike it since MK has decided to play it on every tour.
Come to think of it I havent listened to RPD in ages,I just took STP out of the cd player in the car 2 weeks ago & replaced it with the 1st cd of Alchemy - will my kids be brain washed or what:o :o :o
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only one skipper for me in the whole knopf repertoire, R&J
:lol
oh i forgot fish and the bird..and also Shangri la...
Hello brother ;)
The same for me, same order. And I have in stock the other ones you forgot. ;D
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Yeah, maybe a bit overproduced by MK's standards today, but lots of good songs, and of course, a great (the best IMO) tour.
For me - GH is the best solo album with one minor - it does not sound as should (too bad digital mastering by Chuck Ainlay)
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only one skipper for me in the whole knopf repertoire, R&J
:lol
oh i forgot fish and the bird..and also Shangri la...
Hello brother ;)
The same for me, same order. And I have in stock the other ones you forgot. ;D
lol, bring it on mister!!
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Watching Thank You Australia & NZ last week it was funny to hear the No Can Do riff come up AGAIN (also used it with Clapton), clearly come GH time he thought it was too good a riff to waste. :)
That riff was also played during Mk concerts with Clapton, I think it was during the Cocaine intro...
Maybe he really wanted to use that riff so badly that he ended uop writting a song to use it!
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Golden Heart is one of my favourite MK/DS album ever!
It is packed with so many good songs.
My favourites is Darling Pretty and Nobody's Got the Gun.
;D
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Well there are quite a few very good songs on the Golden Heart album (I love "Imelda", "Darling Pretty", "Golden Heart" and "Don't You Get It" for example) but the entire album is just too kitschy for me. I don't know, it's probably because I haven't been able to understand that album yet, not on an intellectual, but on an emotional level... I'm okay with the title track or "Darling Pretty" but "Nobody's Got The Gun" or "Are We In Trouble Now" are just too much for me. Also, I think Mark's voice sounds really, really horrible on that album. I feel obliged to offer him cough syrup whenever I listen to it :(
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I am able to absolutely support Goldenheart96's opinion about Golden Heart verbatim! She mentions exactly the songs that I like from this album, and I might add "A Night In Summer Long Ago", but everything else really hits the spot! The song itself, Golden Heart, is about a necklace that reminds him of her, and that is very cheesy indeed. I read somewhere that he wanted to make a statement against the cynical way the lyrics took on the OES album,
but somehow he could not reach this goal: The music however is great. I like Chads drumming in general on the whole album, and this very simple and dry
beat on the Golden Heart song is very good.
1996 is a year with very special and unforgettable moments for me, and some are directly connected with this album and the Hamburg show in June, so this album will always have a special place in my heart. But since then, he made two better ones: STP, my all time favourite, and TRD, my all time favourite! :lol
LE
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Let's see now, as for many, GH is for me very much a mixed bag.
* The No Can Do riff was certainly good enough for a song, but I'm not sure that Mark made the most of it and the song drags
* Bonaparte is excellent, even though we're all tired of it live
* Darling Pretty is wonderful, with that fat Les Paul sound
* Je Suis Desole is great, love the violins, they sound like waves or a boat on the water, very fitting
* The title song, Nobody's got the Gun and Night in Summer all sound rather bland to me
* Several outtakes were outstanding: Gravy Train, What Have I Got to Do, Tall Order Baby
I find it interesting to note that Mark was not just into folk music during this period, but his songwriting also had a distinct pop element, for example in Darling Pretty with its catchy lyrics and sort-of-tonal/key-raise at the end. In essence, I find GH partly more commercial than OES, with a lot of slower and longer numbers as well. This side of Mark's music has been pretty absent since, or at least since STP.
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Tallgren, I agree with you that Bonaparte is an excellent song, but must disagree when you say "we're all tired of it live". When I heard it was to be on the GL set-list, my heart sank! I needn't have worried, though. On the contrary, on the GL tour I found it had a new lease of life and I really loved hearing it played the way it was played with the Uillian pipes and, also, I found Mark really sang it so magnificently!
You say, "Golden Heart" and "A Night in Summer" are bland. Not to me! These are two of my favourites from the album, along with "Darling Pretty" and "Are We in Trouble Now". However, I still can't get to love "No Can Do" or "Don't You Get It" with it's rather banal lyric!
All in all, though, it's still one of my favourite albums and when I bought it in 1996, it was never off the CD player!
As you say, though, it's a mixed bag! :)
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I like "No Can Do."
I like the music behind it, and I love it when MK gives us some insight into his life. I assume it is at least somewhat autobiographical.
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Yeah, maybe a bit overproduced by MK's standards today, but lots of good songs, and of course, a great (the best IMO) tour.
For me - GH is the best solo album with one minor - it does not sound as should (too bad digital mastering by Chuck Ainlay)
I agree. When listening to Darling Pretty from Private investigations, it sounds much much better. I really hope the complete GH album will be sound like that one day. :)
For me, the GH is still the best record ever made, all songs fit perfectly to the cover (how odd it might sound), I think all songs have that brown-goldish color in them. I'm happy Don't you get it is on the record, although the lyrics are a bit, well what shall I say, repetitive... :lol It wasn't until 2003 when I "discovered" my fav. song: Done with Bonaparte (yes Essy, go ahead, shoot me again!). :lol If I could travel back in time, I'd go back to May 1996 and buy me a ticket for the show in Kerkrade. I still feel sorry I wasn't there... :-\ :'(
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Done with Bonapart is the one song I wished I heard it played live during GL tour ! It's such a brilliant song with nice upbeat tunes.
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Done with Bonapart is the one song I wished I heard it played live during GL tour ! It's such a brilliant song with nice upbeat tunes.
Dare I say it, I actually really enjoyed the 'GL Tour' version of this song, maybe because I really enjoyed Mike Mccuskers 'bagpipes' being used on this song? Not sure it will go down as a 'Classic' MK song and perhaps enough is enough regarding this particular song 'Live' now?
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Or even Mike McGoldrick! ;D
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I don't really find the Don't You Get It lyrics banal, but they're quite "in your face". This guy, Mark or whatever, wants to dream his own dreams, drive his own car and be a free man to ride, metaphorically speaking. It sounds like a note to Ed Bicknell and his desire for Mark's large scale projects, but it's not necessarily aimed specifically at him. What's important is Mark's breaking free, which is what this record is very much about. It's not a personal favourite, but I think that the repetitive lyrics have an effect, and that's hammering in the message. GH was such a personal record.
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Tallgren, I do get the point of the lyric and I'm still trying to like the song, but it's hard work! I am of the opinion that even songs that are not immediately likeable, can eventually become favourites, if listened to long enough! :)
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I liked it from the very first minute I must admit, and because of the great "rough" start and the real energetic drumming and guitar playing. I didn't care about the lyrics for the first 20 times :lol, which is unusual for me, but even after that, when I recognized that he had been written more intelligent ones,
I loved and still love the song. This guitar solo, which doesn't end at one point but is played longer than expected (have not the right musical term for it) is really great. Which guitar is he using on this one, can anybody tell me?
LE
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I do like the solo a lot, though! ;)
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Sometime it is better not to pay too much attention to some lyrics on pop song. But Mark being a writer even its simpler ones can reveal some surprise.
"Don't You Get It"
"Oh, 'Don't You Get It' is really, it's not about, even though it says 'Don't you get it, I don't want to buy your car,' it's not about a car. It's just the idea about buying an idea, it's the idea of not wanting to go your way but wanting to go my way, and it just applies to so many things, you know. If the record company wants you to do something or other and you say 'No, I don't want to do that, I want to do it this way.' And really, you could apply it to anything that you want, I think it's important to be able to please yourself because I think if you can't please yourself then you can't please anybody."
source : Golden Heart press kit (http://www.mark-knopfler.info/p1996.htm)
I don't care about the lyrics and I like the song.
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"Don't You Get It" has never been played live?
The solo on the studio version is fantastic, it should be ever better in live.
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No it hasn't. :(
And as far as I can see it has been the only song from that record apart from Nobody's Got The Gun that has never been played live.
All other songs have been played live at different occasions.
LE
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No it hasn't. :(
And as far as I can see it has been the only song from that record apart from Nobody's Got The Gun that has never been played live.
All other songs have been played live at different occasions.
LE
I don't think "Done with Bonaparte" has been played either
;D
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What would you think of "Nobody's Got The Gun" replacing DWB on next tour?
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What would you think of "Nobody's Got The Gun" replacing DWB on next tour?
Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT replace DWB with nobody's got the gun, just play them both! ;D Would be great to hear NGTG live...
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No, I think I would prefer "Je suis desol
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Instead of that we have to suffer DWB for the bazillionth time! I will never understand these rare decisions...
LE
The huge difference is that we listen to it but HE performs it - and is pleased himself with.
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I adore, "Before Gas & TV" and "So Far From the Clyde" and would happily sacrifice TR, even though I love it, to hear both of them live in concert! :)
BTW, LE, I didn't "suffer" DWB on the GL tour - I really enjoyed it! ;)
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I 'd love to hear "SFFTC" and "BG&TV" too ! "Hard Shoulder" will be fantastic too. Although I don't know how I'll be able to handle my own emotion with "SFFTC" being played LIVE. I was drowning in tears when I heard it the first time I got the CD. What an extremely moving song !!!!