A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Pottel on August 24, 2010, 06:25:13 PM
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i propose we use this thread to write anything at all about this brilliant cooperation.
lemme start with the alternative version (#3) of
"I and I".
with that mega echo on Marks guitar...sweet....
oh, and don't get me started about the alternate versions of Blind Willire McTell!!!!
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Oh, "Blind Willie McTell" - probably my favourite Dylan song and also collaboration with MK! Now this is a song that definitely should have been included on "Infidels" imo! I just love that song! Oh, "I and I" isn't half bad either! :P
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I like him playing on "Stories We Could Tell"
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"Precious Angels" for me, on "Slow Train Coming" album.
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I never listenend that much to Bob Dylan but this "Blind Willie" is awesome... thanks for the "eyeopener" ;D I had it as .mp3 but the other "Alternate versions" I have as .shn and never listenend to them, and never bothered as I could not open the files. Tried converting the files back then with Riverpast/Audio Converter or something, but the result was crappy. Do you have a link where the songs are .flac or .mp3 - its probably better to just download them again ;) and delete the old .shn files
if there is quality like the above song, then there is room for some treasures in that folder .. ;)
cheers peter
EDIT: Are the Alternate versions on the Spanish City tracker ? there are some "rough cuts" and "missing infidels" available there.
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Thought this would be about Bobby Valentino. :(
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Thought this would be about Bobby Valentino. :(
Same for me. Was lucky to see him play alongside Mark in 2002 :)
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aaahh beaulie...great memories.
and ronnie scotts...
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Thought this would be about Bobby Valentino. :(
Same for me. Was lucky to see him play alongside Mark in 2002 :)
On one of the Shepherd's Bush boots you can hear me shouting "lend me a fiver Bobby", as he had just won a big pay out in a court case. He gave me a little smile of acknowledgement.
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"Precious Angels" for me, on "Slow Train Coming" album.
'Precious Angel' for me is the best song by far. Not only because Mark plays on it, but Bob's best song ever.
I find myself turning the sound up at the end of the song, just to hear Mark's outro, which should be extended and not faded out.
Try it ;)
Cheers BBB
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Thought this would be about Bobby Valentino. :(
And I thought this was about Bobby Irwin and MK, Irwin was the drummer of the british band that MK assembled for the first GH sessions, that ones of the Golden Demos, together with Nick Lowe on bass and Paul Carrack on guitars and keyboards.
I read that someone mentioned that "My claim to fame" was recorded by this band, and later some other musicians played overdubs.
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i have really only heard little (and only here and from guy) about this other band. anyone got more details?
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i have really only heard little (and only here and from guy) about this other band. anyone got more details?
In the www.knopfler.net site by Tomas Molin, it was an interview I don
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I remember that, too, but cannot say that I ever heard about those names?
LE
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It's from an interview from "Record Collector" magazine, around 93 or 94 I think, right in the middle of the Golden Heart sessions. I do have it but I would need to dig it out of the loft and scan, maybe somebody could do it before me (Val? :) ). MK tells how he has three bands together, one in Nashville, one in Ireland and one in Britain with Nick Lowe, Carrack etc because he wrote a song about shipbuilding (which we can now assume to be My Claim To Fame) and it wouldn't have been right to have US musicians playing on it.
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I'd like to suggest a time machine for finding the specified article. :D
Joking aside, you may find here what you're looking for:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080727044531/http://www.knopfler.net/index.html
It's a pity that knopfler.net doesn't exist anymore "in real".
You may also visit the web archive in general at: http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
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Hey, thank you for that! Really appreciated!
Btw, does anybody know what Tomas Molin is up to these days? Or is he even hanging around here with another nickname? Surely, nobody would utter it
here I understand... :disbelief
LE
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It's from an interview from "Record Collector" magazine, around 93 or 94 I think, right in the middle of the Golden Heart sessions. I do have it but I would need to dig it out of the loft and scan, maybe somebody could do it before me (Val? :) ). MK tells how he has three bands together, one in Nashville, one in Ireland and one in Britain with Nick Lowe, Carrack etc because he wrote a song about shipbuilding (which we can now assume to be My Claim To Fame) and it wouldn't have been right to have US musicians playing on it.
Cant find that interview in Toma
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It's from an interview from "Record Collector" magazine, around 93 or 94 I think, right in the middle of the Golden Heart sessions. I do have it but I would need to dig it out of the loft and scan, maybe somebody could do it before me (Val? :) ). MK tells how he has three bands together, one in Nashville, one in Ireland and one in Britain with Nick Lowe, Carrack etc because he wrote a song about shipbuilding (which we can now assume to be My Claim To Fame) and it wouldn't have been right to have US musicians playing on it.
Sorry, dusty, I can't help with that! :(
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wonder what song this is:
Then I cut a song that didn't get on the rocord with Nick Lowe and Paul Carrack, my little English Group.
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It's from an interview from "Record Collector" magazine, around 93 or 94 I think, right in the middle of the Golden Heart sessions. I do have it but I would need to dig it out of the loft and scan, maybe somebody could do it before me (Val? :) ). MK tells how he has three bands together, one in Nashville, one in Ireland and one in Britain with Nick Lowe, Carrack etc because he wrote a song about shipbuilding (which we can now assume to be My Claim To Fame) and it wouldn't have been right to have US musicians playing on it.
would love you to go out and find it :-)
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Check this : http://www.neck-and-neck.com/disco/albums/gh.html
CARRACK, PAUL [16,19,20,21,22]
IRWIN, BOBBY drums [16,19,20,21,22]
LOWE, NICK [16,19,20,21,22]
16. My Claim To Fame (04:39)
UNRELEASED TRACKS
19. Batting For England
20. No Wonder He's Confused
21. Secondary Waltz
22. Speedway To Nazareth
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LoveEx, I've wondered for a long time what happened to Tomas Molin, too. When TR went down the first time, he finally answered an email that I sent him asking if he was OK, and he said he was, that the trouble was with the server or something. Then both seemed to disappear.
His page wasn't updated for a very long time, so I haven't looked at it for a year or so at least.
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The last thing I remember from him was that he wrote somewhere that he fell asleep during the first listen of Shangri-La... Maybe he just dislikes the route and style that Marks music took and left.
LE
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LoveEx, I've wondered for a long time what happened to Tomas Molin, too. When TR went down the first time, he finally answered an email that I sent him asking if he was OK, and he said he was, that the trouble was with the server or something. Then both seemed to disappear.
His page wasn't updated for a very long time, so I haven't looked at it for a year or so at least.
Thomas kept an amazing website for ages, its good to go through and read it even now. It was full of so much detail.
:)
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One of the questions I always had about the Golden demos tape is who plays the keyboards and the mandolin / second guitar?
Its clear that Nick Lowe plays the bass, Bobby Irwin plays the drums, but what plays Paul Carrack and who plays the other instrument (keyboards / mandolin)?
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Paul Carrack is a keyboard player but not only
see wiki entry : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Carrack
Would be curious to be able to attend Mark on stage with that core band.
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Yeah, I wonder who plays that fantastic mandolin on No Wonder He's Confused. What a great track.
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Someones written a new book aboout Bobs songs, this excerpt is about Blind Willie McTell and talks about the recording session with MK
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-05/new-book-about-bob-dylan/?cid=bs:archive3
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The Power Station studio is hushed; there is a barely audible footfall, then Dylan strikes a single piano key. It is a quiet but stark call to musical order. Mark Knopfler softly, exquisitely picks an acoustic guitar in the background, then joins in; Bob Dylan hits a quick pair of somber E- flat minor chords, sketches two measures of melody, and begins to sing, wearily:
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The article is longer than Pottel's excerpt.
I found it very interesting, the song's a real favourite and this shed some light on the more obscure lines (some of them). Goes to show, yet again, that Dylan's lyrics are not collected mumbo-jumbo that sounds good. This one recollects his 60s writing, and the dark atmosphere is just perfect. Two players were all that song ever needed.
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i prefer the electrical outtake.
i only copied was was relevant for us Marky fans :lol
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The last paragraph states that, when the recording was done,
It was May 5, 1983
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The last paragraph states that, when the recording was done,
It was May 5, 1983
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Foot of Pride, Lord Protect My Child are both very powerful songs. Did The Knop play on these also?
There's some great stuff on the bootleg vol 1-3, its a terrific trip spanning Bobs career.
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Foot of Pride, Lord Protect My Child are both very powerful songs. Did The Knop play on these also?
There's some great stuff on the bootleg vol 1-3, its a terrific trip spanning Bobs career.
Yup, they are Infidels out-takes.
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Check this : http://www.neck-and-neck.com/disco/albums/gh.html
CARRACK, PAUL [16,19,20,21,22]
IRWIN, BOBBY drums [16,19,20,21,22]
LOWE, NICK [16,19,20,21,22]
16. My Claim To Fame (04:39)
UNRELEASED TRACKS
19. Batting For England
20. No Wonder He's Confused
21. Secondary Waltz
22. Speedway To Nazareth
batting for england?
Never heard of it... Someone ever heard that song??
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wonder what song this is:
Then I cut a song that didn't get on the rocord with Nick Lowe and Paul Carrack, my little English Group.
batting for england? ???
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Check this : http://www.neck-and-neck.com/disco/albums/gh.html
CARRACK, PAUL [16,19,20,21,22]
IRWIN, BOBBY drums [16,19,20,21,22]
LOWE, NICK [16,19,20,21,22]
16. My Claim To Fame (04:39)
UNRELEASED TRACKS
19. Batting For England
20. No Wonder He's Confused
21. Secondary Waltz
22. Speedway To Nazareth
batting for england?
Never heard of it... Someone ever heard that song??
Neither do I but maybe Mark is a cricket aficionado or it is another allegory from him. And I was unaware that SAN was already written at this time. Actualy no site does reference when his songs were written.
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I like some of the other Infidels songs though, like Union Sundown with the Rolling' and Tumblin'-like guitars and energetic vibe. But Blind Willie is one of his best ever.
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yes, the SAN reference was an eyeopener for me too...
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yes, the SAN reference was an eyeopener for me too...
Big surprise for me also. Unfortunately I did not succeed to find a cache from the old "http://www.neck.and.neck.net/" site so I was not able to check that this info was posted prior to the song release.
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San was a ds song as far as I remember... Planned for on every street... i think
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Interesting, got any reference, interview or something for that?can someone ask guy?
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Hey Pottel, here is what I found at Guy's Archive: Three posts referring to SAN. I do not think you will get it any clearer from him... ;)
4th February 2009
So, Guy, what year was speedway originally written? Curious because it took me a year to really love that song. Just wondering if it was early Mark or middle-aged MK. Also, just found a 'new' DVD of Straits filmed in Germany in 1979. Ordered it from Amazon.com a minute ago. Looking forward to more great stuff from you guys!
ANSWER: I would guess the mid 90's. That DVD is a bootleg and Amazon are under investigation. You're perfectly within your rights to buy it of course, although I'm not sure how good the quality is.
4th February 2009
Guy - SAN is one of my all time favourites. Would you be willing to share a bit more of the inside history of the song and how it got be revived? Many thanks for all your efforts in keeping this forum active.
ANSWER: Well it got cut a couple of years before the album version at the Sound Stage studio in Nashville but just didn't do it. Mark thought the song worthy of another go.
2nd February 2009
hi doc,has there ever been an occassion where the band have been working on a song but for some reason or other it just hasnt worked out and been dropped? has there ever been an occassion where the input of one of the band has completly changed the direction or sound of a song from what it was to be like initially?
ANSWER: Plenty of times..there have also been songs which were recorded many years ago and scrapped, only to be revived...speedway at Nazareth is one example.
Mid-Nineties would mean: Solo, not Dire Straits anymore. Right?
LE
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My thoughts as well LE
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Yeah, seems I'm wrong with that... I thought i read it somewhere that it was written around 'on every street'...
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Stefan Johansson did compete at Indy between 1993 and 1995 so the song was possibly not written at the time of OES but ready for GH
According to the cited races I would say that he refers to the 1993 (or 1994)* Indycar championship as schedule is best matching although not 100% adequate (the first event being Surfer Paradise - not Phoenix).
Phoenix - Arizona (april)
Long Beach
Indianapolis (always on last week-end of May since the exact 31st of may date has been abandoned with most of the month dedicated to testing and qualifying sessions) with reference to the Brickyard and Gasoline Alley
Milwaukee Mile
Michigan (Detroit in June on Belle Isle Park)
Portland (called "Budweiser/G.I.Joe
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Great summary, thanks a lot!
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Nice one.
So... maybe the original lyric was "After 1992, came 1993/there would be a new champion, I hoped it was me".
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In fact, on Guy's forum today, someone asked if SAN was written about Kenny Brack and Guy's answer was that it could have been about Kenny, or Stefan Johansson! :)
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I always loved the line "After 2000 came 2001". The year 2000 was announced for the end of the world, and the Millennium Bug hoke was the modern analogy to that. It fits perfect with the idea behind the song: No, it is not the end of the world, the world did not go down, let's carry on and try again...
or in just one word: Endurance... which is a theme in a lot of lyrics from MK of course but was never done so perfect as in this song.
I thought about the first line of it from the first moment as symbolic and never wondered how he could release such line in 2000...
Now tell me this:
How did we get to this in the thread "Mark and Bobby"... :disbelief :lol
LE
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Now tell me this:
How did we get to this in the thread "Mark and Bobby"... :disbelief :lol
LE
Clue : Bobby Irwin
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How did we get to this in the thread "Mark and Bobby"... :disbelief :lol
LE
Lesser, "official" forums would have shut the thread down for going off topic, whereas we at AMIT encourage free speech and diversification. :)
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How did we get to this in the thread "Mark and Bobby"... :disbelief :lol
LE
Lesser, "official" forums would have shut the thread down for going off topic, whereas we at AMIT encourage free speech and diversification. :)
AMEN!
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I checked Kenny Br
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I checked Kenny Br
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How did we get to this in the thread "Mark and Bobby"... :disbelief :lol
LE
Lesser, "official" forums would have shut the thread down for going off topic, whereas we at AMIT encourage free speech and diversification. :)
When you start a thread with a title like "Mark and Bobby", you can talk about everything involving MK (his name is Mark and we are in the Mark Knopfler discussion forum) and any Bobby related with him ;D
If you titled the thread as "Mark and Bob Dylan", or "Mark and Dylan", well, that
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Dug the Record Collector magazine out of my loft, I now know who played the mandolin on No Wonder He's Confused!
Will hopefully scan and upload later today. :)
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Dug the Record Collector magazine out of my loft, I now know who played the mandolin on No Wonder He's Confused!
Will hopefully scan and upload later today. :)
Thank you man, I really want to read it!
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Here you go folks, enjoy. :)
http://pdfcast.org/pdf/mark-knopfler-record-collector-magazine-jan-1994
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Thanks for that, dusty, I enjoyed it very much. Interesting little piece about Myles Palmer's unofficial biography too! :)
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Great!!!! Thanks Dusty, we really turned this thread in a proper Mark and Bobby one, LOL
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yeah, great article.
omg, i wished he would have done that dylan birthday party at the madison square garden....
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This one:
And a live album as well?
I don't see why that shouldn't happen
??? ???
So, come on than :P Live album 2010, that's good ;)
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yeah, great article.
omg, i wished he would have done that dylan birthday party at the madison square garden....
Interesting question, what song would he have played?
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yeah, great article.
omg, i wished he would have done that dylan birthday party at the madison square garden....
Interesting question, what song would he have played?
Happy Birthday? :lol
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Blind willie and series of dreams, as a medley...
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Blind willie and series of dreams, as a medley...
I could see him singing BWM, but Series of Dreams doesn't really seem to be MK's style IMO. Foot of Pride sounds a bit DS-like.
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or.....i and i...god gave names to all the animals....etc..