A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: mr2bur on January 13, 2011, 07:01:48 AM
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Glad to see that the Canadian airwaves will be free from this filth from now on. It's about time ;)
in english:
http://www.cbsc.ca/english/decisions/2011/110112.php
or in french:
http://www.cbsc.ca/francais/decisions/2011/110112.php
or in any of about 40 or so other languages:
http://www.cbsc.ca/english/lang/index.php
Newpaper summary of decision in understandable, brief english:
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Broadcasting+council+rules+Dire+Straits+tune+offensive+radio/4100642/story.html
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Just shows those guys don't have much to worry about. I love the bit "The societal values at issue a quarter century later have shifted and the broadcast of the song in 2010 must reflect those values, rather than those of 1985." If they think it's offensive now it would have been worse 25+ years ago. Anyway the character is offensive not the song that's the whole point of it. :disbelief
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Some people have too much time on their hands...
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Hey, look at the bright side: it can be a no.1 hit all over again due to the publicity!
Maybe if he was saying homosexual, it would have been OK. Too bad it was too big to fit...
The interesting thing is that a Greek joke is based on he faggot-homosexual-gay difference, with a twist at the money.It goes something like this:
A young man returns to his home - village, and announces to his family, that he is a homosexual and that he is going to stay with his lover at the village. It is a hard thing to swallow, with all these old time ethics, that are common in small villages, but at last the father sees no other way but to prepare the public opinion of the village at the cafenio (like an english pub, sort of speak, serving mostly coffee, and it is the center of the man community, at least at small villages).
"You know we are happy to have our son back, after so long. He's been in the city and he has learned a lot of things, expanded his mind with liberating knowledge. He is actually gay, now, and he is going to live with his friend here."
A younger man, sailor by occupation, had traveled around the world many times he asks:
"Is your son rich?"
"no"
"is his lover rich?"
"No, as far as i know"
"Well then, he is no gay, he is a faggot"
I have no problem with people, no matter their sexual, religious or philosophical orientation, and i believe that whoever does this kind of protest, usually does it for publicity and not because they fear or are offended by something. Well, let's not give them this pleasure.
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I really don't get it, if it was a new song, fair enough (still wouldn't get it but), but why dig up a song that's a quarter of a century old? Do they pay people to listen to old songs and finding something that may possibly offend some group or another?
We could turn this into a funny thread, let's find old songs (MK or otherwise) who can possibly maybe offend somebody.
;D
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Les Boys offends all Germans, all people from Munich, all people that drive Mercedes Benz and all people who go to disco bars occasionally... :lol
LE
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Les Boys offends all Germans, all people from Munich, all people that drive Mercedes Benz and all people who go to disco bars occasionally... :lol
Don't forget the French, I actually read article a French mag at the time where the author was complaining about the "les" ("the" in French), saying that the English must think all French boys are gay or something. ;D
Thanks LE, that's exactly what I had in mind ;D
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all French boys are gay or something. ;D
:disbelief Unfair... I have to move from this country LOL
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Mark should've kept the original "mtherfker" lyric. He sold his artistic integrity when he changed it, which started the decline of Dire Straits... ;D
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What's their view on Oliver's Army by Elvis Costello? Contains the "n" word which is much worse, isn't it?
BUt still gets played on the radio here in Britain.
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And there are songs with Fuck in it...
Alanis morisette - you oughta now
and that song from 2010... Fuck you, or something :disbelief
I have no problems at all with those lyrics.
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Just checked the news - 13 pages (!) about it on the Google page only. The latest headlines: Dire Straits hit ''Money...'' banned for being homophobic, Dire Straits hit ordered off air for gay insult, Mark Knopfler, the new Eminem?, etc. Nonsense. I'm sure that Mark could read it and he is not glad with this, each new headline (including his name) posted in the Internet looks like an absurd. It is not done by gays. It is done by faggots.
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It is not done by gays. It is done by faggots.
???
Anyhoo, I guess all publicity is good publicity. I reckon just about anyone with half a brain would understand that MK was singing in character and that he doesn't install kitchens as a sideline.
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Snigger.
http://www.radio-info.com/news/in-protest-three-canadian-fms-will-play-money-for-nothing-for-1-solid-hour
They're not taking this lying down!
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Lots of stuff all over the web abiout this, people are outraged about censorship etc. :)
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/1221893.html
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MK should play MFN every night during next tour. That's a good reason to tour again.
And ask his good old friend Elton to join on stage.
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I read a story on this on Yahoo - Music Blogs, Behind the Music - how do "reporters" not cover their subjects better - look at this for a completely bollox statement
"Despite not having made a studio album in over 20 years, Mark Knopfler's iconic
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That is true though, 20 years since "MK's iconic act" (ie Dire Straits) released an album.
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Oh my god, those people don't have any life, not even a relationship in any existing world...
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On Lib
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They quoted Guy from his forum! :lol
http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Dire+Straits+band+member+joins+debate+over+song/4111491/story.html (http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Dire+Straits+band+member+joins+debate+over+song/4111491/story.html)
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Strangely, I haven't seen a word about this in either the British press or on British TV! Have they missed it! ;D Now if it had been Robbie or Bono ...... ;)
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I've just posted this on Guy's forum:
The Canadian radio ban on MFN is a good step forward, but is still way too shy for our civilization to really shine. In fact, the entire DS/MK catalogue should be banned, for MK being a dangerous and seditious activist, who has been offending every single decent person in this world for decades. Take "Tunnel of Love", for instance: an explicit sexual allusion to women's vagina, highly dammaging for our children; "Telegraph Road" and "Why Aye, Man" are diffaming all the companies who provide nice jobs to everybody on both sides of the Atlantic; "Iron Hand" diffames Margaret Thatcher and has unacceptable violent content (at the very least, "blood" should be replaced with "ketchup"); And aren't "Brothers in Arms" and "All that Matters" insidious apologies of incest and paedophilia, respectively ? What to say of the horrible "Your Latest Trick", who offends every single truck owner with the line "prehistoric garbage truck" ? What about "Boom, Like That", isn't it a clear insult to all fast-food lovers in the US and elsewhere (that is, billions of people) ? Even worse, "Remembrance day": a discriminatory song that laments about the victims of 9/11, but does not say a *word* about the children of Palestine! Worst of all being "Why Worry", which adds insult to injury by defining the world as "mean and cruel" ! So offending for us, citizens of the world; Shouldn't be the lyrics changed to "lean and dull" ?
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Yes, I read your post, Herlock, but I thought "Remembrance Day" was written about WW1 and WW2, not 9/11.
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Yes, I read your post, Herlock, but I thought "Remembrance Day" was written about WW1 and WW2, not 9/11.
Oops, yes, I got mixed up maybe with "If this is goodbye". Well, anyway, you get the idea :)
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Yes, I read your post, Herlock, but I thought "Remembrance Day" was written about WW1 and WW2, not 9/11.
Oops, yes, I got mixed up maybe with "If this is goodbye". Well, anyway, you get the idea :)
I agreed with your post anyway! ;D
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Guy 'tweeted' this on twitter:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1347030/Canada-radio-stations-told-censor-homophobic-Dire-Straits-hit-Money-For-Nothing.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1347030/Canada-radio-stations-told-censor-homophobic-Dire-Straits-hit-Money-For-Nothing.html)
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Thanks Dutchessy! News obviously takes a long time to reach the British media! ;D
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I think the best thing to do, is everyone download the song from Itunes and try and get it to Number 1 in there country, particularly Canada ;) Then see what radio stations do :lol
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On Twitter 'Dire Straits' is nr 6 trending topic in Canada! :lol
There are getting famous again! ;)
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I think the best thing to do, is everyone download the song from Itunes and try and get it to Number 1 in there country, particularly Canada ;) Then see what radio stations do :lol
A funny Idea, I like it :)
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(http://www.guyfletcher.co.uk/images/cms/news/chicks.jpg)
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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If i didn't know better, and MK had the manager of well... Madonna or Prince or 5 Cent or whoever, he might have pulled the strings in such a way to keep his client in the news, even without new recordings. Throwing a pebble to create some fake waves, so anybody keeps remembering good ol' artist. But it is MK...
Well maybe a good fan did it! What a world...
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well, OK, I admit it, it was me.....
;D
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I think the best thing to do, is everyone download the song from Itunes and try and get it to Number 1 in there country, particularly Canada ;) Then see what radio stations do :lol
A funny Idea, I like it :)
Here we've got it: MFN at the moment IS at No. 1 on I-Tunes Rock Songs in Canada (11 p.m. middle european time). Look here: http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10rocksongs.html
A second version is at No. 5.
But the whole thing has a positive effect. MFN gets lot of attention and I'm sure that there are a lot of young people that hear of it for the first time and discover or rediscover the wonderful music of DS and MK!!
One thing that makes me smile: at No. 2 we have a song calles "Porn star dancing" by the band "My darkest days". I wonder if this is a dirty tune with lots of f***-words :)
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What a load of rubbish, but then again its 2011 so freedom of speech is a bigger issue now than it was that time etc, it seems strange to be trawling this up so far down the line though - theres hope for the titanic yet :o.
So pottel does this mean that Bob Dillon is in trouble for defending Rubin Carter all those years ago by writing the hurricane????? I mean this is scandalous,just look at the lyrics,every black person in the world will be up in arms & I'll be demanding that its never played again, even in your house :o :o ;) ;)
And to the black folks he was just a crazy nigger
No one doubted that he pulled the trigger
And though they could not produce the gun
The DA said he was the one who did the deed
And the all-white jury agreed.
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Now this is exactly what i was afraid of: paying too much attention to such foolish acts. In fact we empower them by doing this. But it is the way of the world, and me, by leaving another post, just make things worse. Just notice how i try to change the subject, all the time...
Went through the itunes apple store downloads, and to my surprise i saw what greek customers download. The most recent song is 7 years old! But no MFN! I would never buy music through such shops. They are very expensive for the thin air they provide. I like the physicality of the vinyl and well even the CD. But downloading for 1 euro (even for 0.50) is stealing.
Read if you can " Last shop standing" and "Vinyl Junkies". They are extremely funny and also to the point about the failure of independent record shops and what this eventually brings.
And now for something completely different, (as dusty said some people have too much time, might as well do something useful with it): Since i am Greek, living and working in Greece(with the constant danger of losing my job and my house and my life as it is and any kind of future...) I tell you that we are now experiencing the very beginning of the crisis and not just for Greece. I stayed up late to watch this lecture (link at the end of message). It is a nice one, even if you don't agree with it, it puts your mind in motion, questioning many things about economy and capitalism in the USA. It is not peculiar that i found great resemblance with the Greek phenomenon. What's worse, i think that we are only the first country and many others (not just Spain, Portugal, Ireland or Italy but also UK and France) will go through. It is close to 90 minutes but if you don't have time watch the last 15 minutes, that include the closing of the speech and answers to questions.
You will miss a great lecture, but i think that these minutes can work as a teaser...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZU3wfjtIJY
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It seems the news have fully infiltrated me with last night's sleep at last: I am really angry that a single word puts one of the greatest songwriters we have at risk - I am not aware of another current musical artist with such a wide range of vocabulary, with so much historical and social knowledge and with such a great eloquence as Mark Knopfler. The lyrics he produces are always and from day one on a pure joy and from absolute high quality - and now MK is in danger to be pointed at as the man who used "faggot"??
Political correctness seems to be the one of the most dangerous ideology these days. I do not have a good feeling about this and I fear it will get worse and worse...
LE
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Please try not to be so pessimistic, LE! It could just get better and better! ;D
BTW Apart from the Daily Mail On-Line yesterday, the news doesn't seem to have infiltrated the British media yet! ::)
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Please try not to be so pessimistic, LE! It could just get better and better! ;D
Thanks Val! That is a very nice thought, one that I should think more often! :)
LE
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Here we've got it: MFN at the moment IS at No. 1 on I-Tunes Rock Songs in Canada (11 p.m. middle european time). Look here: http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10rocksongs.html
A second version is at No. 5.
But the whole thing has a positive effect. MFN gets lot of attention and I'm sure that there are a lot of young people that hear of it for the first time and discover or rediscover the wonderful music of DS and MK!!
and think about the royalties this renewed interest is gonna generate, talk about money for nothing! ;D
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From Jack Sonni on Facebook:
I'm responsible for the word "earring" in the line about "the faggot in the earring and the make-up." MK originally had "tutu and the make-up."... But changed it after I called him a fag for using such a gay word.
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Exactly Rollergirl, I bet Mark is laughing all the way to the bank, he'll just be making more and more money from this, and I am sure he isn't the slighest bit bothered by all this stupid fuss, there are far more important things on the world to worry about.
Also, I've just listened to the MFN version Mark played at the Montserrat concert, and he changes the said word to "Maggot" then "Mother" then "Mother Trucker" :lol
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What a load of rubbish, but then again its 2011 so freedom of speech is a bigger issue now than it was that time etc, it seems strange to be trawling this up so far down the line though - theres hope for the titanic yet :o.
So pottel does this mean that Bob Dillon is in trouble for defending Rubin Carter all those years ago by writing the hurricane????? I mean this is scandalous,just look at the lyrics,every black person in the world will be up in arms & I'll be demanding that its never played again, even in your house :o :o ;) ;)
And to the black folks he was just a crazy nigger
No one doubted that he pulled the trigger
And though they could not produce the gun
The DA said he was the one who did the deed
And the all-white jury agreed.
...lol.... :lol
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This won't go away. Seems Dire Straits could capitalize on this and get the reunion tour going in Canada. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2011/r110121.htm (http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2011/r110121.htm)
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The same was mentioned on Guy's forum today. I cannot see how one could come to that conclusion... ???
LE
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This won't go away. Seems Dire Straits could capitalize on this and get the reunion tour going in Canada. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2011/r110121.htm (http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2011/r110121.htm)
They could, for sure, but I don't think anything has changed as far as Mark is concerned since John Illsley mentioned it (a reunion) a year or two back. And personally I think a DS reunion would be a major disappointment. Dire Straits means a certain sound, synths, keyboards, even sax (an instrument which should be confined to jazz or Bedroom Classics Vol. 3), long, drawn out solos, etc. To force Mark out of his current world of folk and ethnic instruments and into the DS world - just wouldn't work. And as if he would do it for the money ... The other ex-members surely wouldn't have minded, I'm sure.
An NHB reunion, though ... That would have been amazing. That's setting where I feel Mark thrives the best.
Sorry, way off topic ...
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Of course you could also say that Mark refuses long solos and certain classic songs nowadays because he wants to keep it EXCLUSIVE for a later possible Dire Straits reunion...
::)
LE
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No doubt lots of lesser artists whose careers had gone down the toilet would jump on this chance to reunite the band and make some cash.
But the people writing these things probably don't realise that MK is still very successful, playing to 5-10,000 every night etc.
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But the people writing these things probably don't realise that MK is still very successful, playing to 5-10,000 every night etc.
Yup. Why should he? He's still doing his thing, still in charge, still making money, still happy, still successful. Except for charitable purposes, I don't see ONE reason why he should want reunite DS. But who knows - maybe one day he'll get severe cravings for solos, synths and sax. After all, stranger things have happened in the world of music.
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Dire Straits means a certain sound, synths, keyboards, even sax (an instrument which should be confined to jazz or Bedroom Classics Vol. 3), long, drawn out solos, etc.
I love the sax... It was great in SoS.
Listen to Roger waters in the flesh DVD, on "set the controls for the heart of the sun", for instance, and tell me if this is bedroom arrangement..
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This from Guy's forum:
Question: Can you see a saxophone being used in BG with an MK production in the next few years? Guy: no