A Mark In Time
General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rollergirl on March 03, 2011, 04:02:13 PM
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http://new.uk.music.yahoo.com/blogs/pop_gossip/20602/phil-collins-quits-music/
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Bad girl!
I like that comment from Mr. Harrison! Nails it!
LE
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Excellent news. I can throw away the voodoo doll now. :)
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Will somebody also alert the Baltimore authorities to the increased risk of suicide in the area?
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Will somebody also alert the Baltimore authorities to the increased risk of suicide in the area?
;D
LE
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You sort of get a mention Dusty when he says that his success made people want to strangle him & that people grew to hate him & the fact that you grew to over 6 feet means that you grew more than most :disbelief :disbelief
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Concentrating on his acting career; Buster was fab! ;) Keep the grade A flicks coming Phil!
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Concentrating on his acting career; Buster was fab! ;) Keep the grade A flicks coming Phil!
lol
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I'm sorry, but I like Phil's music, at least the first couple of albums he did solo and some of his work with Genesis. I saw him in concert, and he was pretty good.
In the Air Tonight is a great song to me.
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I'm sorry, but I like Phil's music, at least the first couple of albums he did solo and some of his work with Genesis. I saw him in concert, and he was pretty good.
In the Air Tonight is a great song to me.
Tell me this then, if he's such a fucking great drummer, and that's his best song, how come most of the way through it's a drum machine? ;)
The reality is that he's crap, he's always been crap, he tried to make a comeback last year singing duff versions of good songs, nobody bought it so now he's fucked off in a huff, good riddance. :)
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That`s your opinion Dusty, there are still people who like him. Such as me. Phill`s songs helped me trough a couple of very bad things in my life, which is not so long yet but still..
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Phill`s songs helped me trough a couple of very bad things in my life, which is not so long yet but still..
Hmm... for a minute there I thought you were... someone else.
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I'm sorry, but I like Phil's music, at least the first couple of albums he did solo and some of his work with Genesis. I saw him in concert, and he was pretty good.
In the Air Tonight is a great song to me.
Tell me this then, if he's such a fucking great drummer, and that's his best song, how come most of the way through it's a drum machine? ;)
The reality is that he's crap, he's always been crap, he tried to make a comeback last year singing duff versions of good songs, nobody bought it so now he's fucked off in a huff, good riddance. :)
Lol! I know a certain American policeman feels strongly about ol Phil!
There is quite a revered studio technique when it comes to the drums of In The Air Tonight recording. I don't have all the details (lol) but there are tales told of unearthly use of compressors that suck the sound from the drums in reverse, to give it that distinctive vibe. The natural use of big room reverb on MFN is almost the opposite effect.
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I'm sorry, but I like Phil's music, at least the first couple of albums he did solo and some of his work with Genesis. I saw him in concert, and he was pretty good.
In the Air Tonight is a great song to me.
you don't have to be sorry and I personally don't think everything he has done is crap but I know Dusty hates him with passion (a typical Scottish thing I was told, hating people you don't know) so I couldn't resist teasing him....
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I saw him in concert about 12 years ago (when I was 10) & I thought that he was fine,I'd have gone to see him again but he always played in Dublin which is a 350 mile round trip so that was an over nighter & if I'm not mistaken the tickets were something like
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Geez, Dusty -- I didn't say he was a "f---ing great drummer," or anything like that. I just said I like a lot of his older stuff, especially ITAT.
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C'mon, it is all fun! Must be, because otherwise, and if Dusty was not Editor himself, I am sure this whole stuff would be eliminated... oh, no, sorry, was
in the wrong forum for a second...
The fun is only half-assed anyway because as long as the Baltimore Police Department gives no answer here Dusty won't be satisfied...
Will you? 8)
LE
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I can assure you I am very satisfied this week, new album in production and Phil Collins has agreed to stop his musical crimes against humanity.
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8)
LE
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I would like to act as if i haven't read the replies, so: Hey quite interesting news!
"Keith Richards' daughter Theodora has been arrested for possession of marijuana after she was caught 'defacing public property' with a marker pen in New York."
That said, this was surely the most interesting piece of news in the page of Collins retirement. I thought he had already retired after the "we can't dance" Genesis album. I have his 80ies records but haven't listened to them for at least a decade and to tell you the truth i only bought them for the equivalent of a euro, just as a diary for the songs i used to listen to the radio when i was a kid. But beware, these artists never keep their word, so it is not over yet. And modesty is a way of life...
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Will somebody also alert the Baltimore authorities to the increased risk of suicide in the area?
Bwahahahahaha! You'd also better hope the Baltimore Police Department doesn't comment or try to contact you. He has a gun permit. :o
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For the avoidance of doubt, my "hating" Phil Collins is not really serious, it has becoming a running joke and is just a bit of fun.
I do genuinely dislike most of his solo music but I'm sure he is a nice bloke and it would be nice to have a pint or a jam with him.
This is a good article:
http://www.holymoly.com/celebrity-news/phil-collins-decides-leave-music-throws-toys-out-pram-says-no-one-loves-him53870
It actually makes me feel a bit sorry for him. He seems to genuinely be upset that he isn't "relevant" anymore. And I think he's right - he isn't.
The problem he has is that he chased the dream, and he got it. He's right in that article, in the 80s and early 90s he was EVERYWHERE. Now, this doesn't happen by accident. He and the record company will have spent millions promoting him. He will have put a great deal of time and effort doing interviews etc with one purpose - to get people to see him.
And it was a huge success. But now he is finding the down side of that - that people are now fed up of him, due to overexposure.
He also has a more fundamental problem, relating to his music. It doesn't have any substance. His solo music was basically chasing the catch-all, middle ground, bubblegum pop market. Nothing wrong with that per se, you can sell a lot of records that way. But tastes change, younger artists come along to fill that slot, and then what are you left with? Can Phil Collins make a "serious" record, something with meaning that people will cherish? Not really, because people don't really take him (but) seriously. He's the cheeky chappie who sings Can't Hurry Love isn't he? He's not Leonard Cohen.
So he releases an album of Motown covers last year hoping to capture that middle ground again, but hardly anybody buys it. So he says, and it's fair enough, why bother? What is trhe point of Phil Collins in 2011? There is no point. Quite sad really.
Sting I feel is in sort of a similar position - he's not really taken seriously as a mature solo artist either, hence the reason he has to find other "gimmicks", whether it's reforming The Police, doing lute music, performimg his old hits with an orchestra etc.
Which brings us on to MK. Now, we know DS had huge hits too in the mid 80s, but MK says it was an accident and I'm inclined to believe him, sure he would have gone out and done promotion etc too. And then in 1991 with OES they try to do the same thing again, try to have hit singles, try to have flashy videos etc. But it doesn't really work. MK knows that the writings on the wall in the "pop" game and goes back to being the serious artist that he always was. And that's for the best IMO. The people who would like to see DS reunited should have a look at Phil Collins and ask if that is how they would like things to turn out for MK.
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Just read the remarks and found this:
It's strange to me that Phil is criticised for his baldness, just because he's honest about it, unlike, say, Elton (wig), Boy George (hat), or Mark Knopfler (I don't even know what).
I thought MK was very honest about his baldness! He's even shaved off the few remaining follicles from the top of his head, when he could have trained them into a very becoming wrap-around! :)
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Great post Dusty.
I am always surprised about OES being catalogued a bit like of more or less a commercial failure. Of course it sold much less than BIA and the tour was not sold out down under or in the US but it was still a big success in Europe and was more on the level of what the straits were at the time of the LOG album.
Regarding the question of a Dire Straits reunion, the 2002 gig were pretty close to be that if only Alan could have been in and I will always have deep regrets that this doesn't happened - and I fear the deadline for such a thing.
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very well said Mr Valentino. Did you write this? ;D
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very well said Mr Valentino. Did you write this? ;D
My mum helped me with it.
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Just read the remarks and found this:
It's strange to me that Phil is criticised for his baldness, just because he's honest about it, unlike, say, Elton (wig), Boy George (hat), or Mark Knopfler (I don't even know what).
I thought MK was very honest about his baldness! He's even shaved off the few remaining follicles from the top of his head, when he could have trained them into a very becoming wrap-around! :)
I saw that too, thought it was quite funny. Maybe they were meaning the headband era? I mean MK looked seriously daft roundabout OES.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1zDVFKDQ0Q0/TBmI-hw1-GI/AAAAAAAADg8/Ifq64tqdIOg/s1600/Dire+Straits+Live+_+On+The+Night.jpg)
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Your mum can have the gold star, in that case! :)
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I saw that too, thought it was quite funny. Maybe they were meaning the headband era? I mean MK looked seriously daft roundabout OES.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1zDVFKDQ0Q0/TBmI-hw1-GI/AAAAAAAADg8/Ifq64tqdIOg/s1600/Dire+Straits+Live+_+On+The+Night.jpg)
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Dusty, he looks a bit like Willie Nelson????? I even had a mop around that time,denim shirts & white tshirts were all the rage that time too.
BTW Phil Collins lost some amount of hair since he did the Cadburys advert :disbelief :disbelief
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I'm sorry, but I like Phil's music, at least the first couple of albums he did solo and some of his work with Genesis. I saw him in concert, and he was pretty good.
In the Air Tonight is a great song to me.
you don't have to be sorry and I personally don't think everything he has done is crap but I know Dusty hates him with passion (a typical Scottish thing I was told, hating people you don't know) so I couldn't resist teasing him....
nope, i am belgian and i love hating people i don't know :-)
also, if it's for no apparent reason it adds to the overal feeling :-)
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Not just people I don't know, I hate Pottel too!
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no comment.
gonna hit back with a vengeance, and when you least expect it you scottish....
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Not just people I don't know, I hate Pottel too!
don't we all? ;D ;D
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Dusty, when I first saw your picture I thought you looked like Phil Collins! :lol I had no idea that you had this running joke going on.
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Dusty, when I first saw your picture I thought you looked like Phil Collins!
You better hope I don't make it over to NYC again...
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i rule, you fool!
>:(
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Is Mark a that great admirer of Phil to choose to look like him now?
Maybe on his next tour he will even cover one of his song.
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Dusty that was a great post! How you manage to turn everything into an MK issue is beyond me, though. ;) Now some comments that came to mind as i was reading the Holy Moly link. First of all, i don't get it: If sales of his latest album were great he wouldn't make any strong comments, would he? I don't know and i don't care who won in the Mtv awards, but to tell you the truth if i was to quit the things i like just because they don't sell, win awards or even be considered as up to date or art :-X, then i would be lying in my kitchen floor watching Mtv awards (my TV is in the kitchen). And for God's sake i have to make a living as well. He could be writing and recording music without worrying about money. His great grand children too. The MK solution, that Dusty's mother so carefully noticed :lol, is the best one. And all this self pity is disgusting, he could do it silently, but no, seek attention with such "heavy" statements and attention is what you get. Anybody remembers (this one is a favorite no matter what she says...)Joni Mitcell's similar statement? And then trying to say i am sorry for being so pompous, 20 years ago, but without actually saying it? What kind of lame excuse is that:"I am not the same man now..." Nobody is the same man and that's why they don't like you now. And it goes on, advertising his past collaborations with a wink. When he lips "I am sorry" he combines it with "I am sorry i was so successful..." Well, it turns out that he is still the same man after all, but thankfully we have changed. He says something about a biking holiday and even it is a bit morbid to joke about, one woman that i truly admire comes to mind: Nico. And don't get me started with his health issues (no baldness is not one of them, and who really cares about hair anyway?) His biggest problem is not his music, i even listened to it as a kid-it is his humongous ambition and ego. (Watch old-Phil at Montserat concert introducing MK. Maybe it is my disliking him but i swear i could distinguish a certain spite, when he says "the biggest selling UK album ever", referring of course to BiA .) At least Sting's songs of the 80ies are still admired and he went to the Amazon to address the issue (we can speculate many things but this is Phil's post after all)
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At the risk of turning this into a back slapping exercise, your post was very good too! I agree with it a great deal. You are right, he does have a huge ego. Completely agree on the "I'm sorry I was so successful" thing.
And I remember being very surprised that Phil Collins introduced MK at Montserrat, given that he had slagged off DS a few years earlier, hypocrite.
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At the risk of turning this into a back slapping exercise, your post was very good too!
Maybe his mum helped too? ;D
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And I remember being very surprised that Phil Collins introduced MK at Montserrat, given that he had slagged off DS a few years earlier, hypocrite.
He did? I never heard about that. Can somebody enlighten me?
LE
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to be fair, didn't everybody slag off DS in the early 90s?
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to be fair, didn't everybody slag off DS in the early 90s?
Don't remember that feeling in the air. Were still hugely successfull in France.
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And I remember being very surprised that Phil Collins introduced MK at Montserrat, given that he had slagged off DS a few years earlier, hypocrite.
He did? I never heard about that. Can somebody enlighten me?
LE
It was in Q magazine, most likely around the time of the Both Sides album where his massive ego told him it would be agood idea to play all instruments, including terrible keyboard synthesiser guitars.
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Thank you very much Dusty, for the kind words. My mother will get her share as well, even though the only rock record she had and passed on to me was "Every woman i know is crazy about automobile" by Sam the sham and the pharaohs (7'').
Rollergirl you do have a point about DS in the nineties, at least that is what i received from people in Greece. But it has to do with the big explosion of brit pop (and grunge and the resurrection of heavy metal and the rediscovery of rap and Hip-hop and the Bristol scene+++ ) that took the world by storm. Most of these new bands were hugely influenced by the older generations, like The Who, Kinks, Beatles, Rolling stones, even Horace Andy or John Martyn. I don't know why but the new, always tries to push over the old and that is what happened to Dire straits. Let's not forget that DS were still in existence in 1992, with merely 15 years of history behind them, but still they were the old guard, or at least they represented the old without being "holy" as the Beatles or Eric Clapton. They were the easy target. I have to admit, that at times, the new sound was great. A new breath of life, that it actually helped the older artists more than hurt them. But the values that DS represented were the ones of "traditional" sound and structure of songs, a bit of guitar hero on the mix and the backing of the big record companies. At least that's what they saw.
Of course what these bands didn't know was that all these things they blamed about would be offered and accepted by them as well. To name but a few: Oasis were playing a game that was most unfitting for them. Apart from their first two albums, that were great but lost their magic because they were overplayed, the rest was music "new today, old tomorrow". Blur stood the test of time, or at least they aged much better, with their members delving into music and giving the tabloids little compared to Oasis. I could go on but i can't leave out the fantastic Scots :Belle and Sebastian and the remarkable Darren Hayman's :Hefner. Even though their heyday was around 2000, they are still young and active and never cease to amaze me.
The rewarding part after all these years of slagging off, came in 2008: When MK played in Athens and the theater was absolutely packed with people younger than me, many in their early 20ies, others obviously into heavy metal and the older ones probably visiting for the DS period songs, 15 years after the end of DS! I came across some friends guitarists that probably weren't aware of MK's solo career, but came to see him play. And 6 months later Dandy Warhols asked MK to play in one of their songs and Killers issued a rendition of Romeo and Juliet, stating that they adore this song. The new generation finally recognized the DS influence. (Of course both Killers and the Dandies come from the US, but we have a saying here in Greece: nobody can become a saint (or prophet) in his birthplace. That would explain it... :lol)
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Lalalalala ........taking the risk that Dusty is going to throw stuff at me, I declare that I LOVED Phil Collins music in the 90ties!!! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/Fieneke2/Emoticons/Roflbig.gif)
Just like with DS I didn't pay attention to Phil until I saw his concert in Berlin at TV, just after the wall fell in 1989! He played songs of the But Seriously album and I fell in love with his music. Songs like That
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I somehow find it amusing that on the same day that the news arrived that Phil "quit music", Guy had the news that MK is working on a new album...
LE
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LE it is all part of the great scheme. After all revenge is when you manage to keep your cool while Phil loses his. It is a bit weird that in so many important concerts, like Knebworth or Princess trust Collins allowed anybody to be more successful. But MK knows that the one that laughs last, has the best of laughs. (another Greek proverb). If we are lucky he will keep on producing a record every couple of years. (I guess that the album we expect might as well be a live one. All these soundboard recordings can not be justified, even if they were for sale via Smify. And i would be thrilled with one, since his 2008 concert in Athens was really a revelation, with all the new versions of songs!)
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Hey--Who deleted my post?
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Hey--Who deleted my post?
Didn't see your post but another post has been deleted, about Phil's last record getting to Number 1 in teh UK. I was just about to reply. :-\
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A melt down is about to happen. Hope we can avoid it!