A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Almost Straits => Topic started by: Old Pigweed on June 14, 2011, 01:22:32 PM
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Symphony Hall Symphony Hall Birmingham MON 03/10/2011]
Glasgow Royal Concert Hall TUE 04/10/2011
Newcastle City Hall WED 05/10/2011
York Barbican Centre FRI 07/10/2011
St Davids Hall Cardiff SUN 09/10/2011
Colston Hall Bristol MON 10/10/2011
HMV Apollo Hammersmith London WED 12/10/2011
Regent Theatre Ipswich THU 13/10/2011
Royal Concert Hall Nottingham FRI 14/10/2011
Philharmonic Hall Liverpool SUN 16/10/2011
O2 Apollo Manchester MON 17/10/2011
Tickets on sale Friday
Hmmmm.....
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Its seems us forumits fall into 2 camps - the ones that say "Good for you chaps - they are scratching an itch that the population has" and another school of thought that says the whole thing sucks right from the concept, the management, the PR spin and now the tour...
Lets just say i wont be getting my tickets...... :disbelief
One off charity gig....whatever....
Should be interesting if they get pushed to release a new album....then ill sit back and have a chuckle....
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I repeat that if any of you didnt have the chance to see Dire Straits (as me) its a nice chance to enjoy Alan Clark and Chris White playing...
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Actually, where did you find that info? There is nothing at The Straits site yet...
Edit: I just found where, Alan Clarks
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Its seems us forumits fall into 2 camps - the ones that say "Good for you chaps - they are scratching an itch that the population has" and another school of thought that says the whole thing sucks right from the concept, the management, the PR spin and now the tour...
Lets just say i wont be getting my tickets...... :disbelief
One off charity gig....whatever....
Should be interesting if they get pushed to release a new album....then ill sit back and have a chuckle....
and then there's the 3rd camp: the camp of those who couldn't care less and don't understand what the fuss is all about
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Its seems us forumits fall into 2 camps - the ones that say "Good for you chaps - they are scratching an itch that the population has" and another school of thought that says the whole thing sucks right from the concept, the management, the PR spin and now the tour...
Lets just say i wont be getting my tickets...... :disbelief
One off charity gig....whatever....
Should be interesting if they get pushed to release a new album....then ill sit back and have a chuckle....
and then there's the 3rd camp: the camp of those who couldn't care less and don't understand what the fuss is all about
Agreed - the 3rd Camp does exist and i guess im in that camp - i just feel sorry for genuine Dire Straits fans who, if they choose to see The Straits, may feel slightly duped...
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I'll probably go to Ipswich, as it's just down the
road from me.
I went to the RAH a few weeks ago, and I'll go again
just to see the great talent that is Alan & Chris.
Cheers. BBB
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I'll probably go to Ipswich, as it's just down the
road from me.
I went to the RAH a few weeks ago, and I'll go again
just to see the great talent that is Alan & Chris.
Cheers. BBB
Amen, I miss them so much :)
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When thet get to Newcastle, I hope they get the reception they deserve.
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When thet get to Newcastle, I hope they get the reception they deserve.
The Reception they deserve? Really? Are you referring to Alan and Chris or the rest of the outfit? if its the entire group i cant see why they deserve some sort of hero's reception.... ???
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Well Alan is a Geordie as well, so I guess he'll have a lot of friends and family there.
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Well Alan is a Geordie as well, so I guess he'll have a lot of friends and family there.
I thought the same, Alan is a very well knows geordie, he was the musical director in 2008 during the Sunday for Sammy where a version of Why aye man was played with him on the hammond.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV_Mpq8tUvw
I guess the reaction will be very similar to the RAH one, very enthusiastic.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2328/5750879116_d6302a195e.jpg)
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When thet get to Newcastle, I hope they get the reception they deserve.
I was "hoping" they might get booed off for being part of something that could be perceived as slightly fraudulent. That's what I think they deserve.
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When thet get to Newcastle, I hope they get the reception they deserve.
I was "hoping" they might get booed off for being part of something that could be perceived as slightly fraudulent. That's what I think they deserve.
Imo, that's a bit out of order!! :o :disbelief >:(
They are certainly not trying to pull the wool over
Anybodys eyes.
I think people should give them a break.
One thing I know, because I was there at the RAH,
is that they hold Mark & in particular the Dire Straits
legacy in very high regard.
Good luck to them I say.
Cheers. BBB
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That's alot of dates, I wonder if they are gonna do some promo stuff on radio and TV in the UK.
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I've just been watching some of the YouTube footage
From the Straits gig @ RAH.
For any of you doubters out there, it's worth the
entrance fee just to hear Alan's keyboard.
What a trip down memory lane.
Imho, putting Mark's guitar & voice (obviously the most important part)
to one side, Alan's keyboard sound live is probably the next
most important part which makes up 'THE' Dire Straits sound.
Cheers. BBB
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When thet get to Newcastle, I hope they get the reception they deserve.
I was "hoping" they might get booed off for being part of something that could be perceived as slightly fraudulent. That's what I think they deserve.
I hope so.... but It will not happen.... For me Alan and Chris are doing a big mistake... and the fusion of "Dire Straits brand" with "The Straits" brand is only at the beginning....
Few weeks and sure we will read enthusiastic reviews as "better than the originals...." .....for sure.....
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Imho, putting Mark's guitar & voice (obviously the most important part)
to one side, Alan's keyboard sound live is probably the next
most important part which makes up 'THE' Dire Straits sound.
Difficult to make such a sweeping statement IMO. It really depends on the song and the era.
I'm sure we would all agree about MK.
But after that, on Sultans the next thing (all this is just my opinion) is Pick's drums.
On Tunnel of Love after MK comes Roy Bittan's keyboards.
On Money for Nothing after MK comes Guy's synths.
On Calling Elvis after MK you have Jeff Porcaro's drums or perhaps Paul Franklin's pedal steel.
Etc etc.
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Imho, putting Mark's guitar & voice (obviously the most important part)
to one side, Alan's keyboard sound live is probably the next
most important part which makes up 'THE' Dire Straits sound.
Difficult to make such a sweeping statement IMO. It really depends on the song and the era.
I'm sure we would all agree about MK.
But after that, on Sultans the next thing (all this is just my opinion) is Pick's drums.
On Tunnel of Love after MK comes Roy Bittan's keyboards.
On Money for Nothing after MK comes Guy's synths.
On Calling Elvis after MK you have Jeff Porcaro's drums or perhaps Paul Franklin's pedal steel.
Etc etc.
On Walk of Life you have Alan Clark's keyboard
On Brothers in Arms you have Alan Clark's organ and solo
On Telegraph Road you have Alan Clark's piano
On Romeo & Juliet (live shows like Alchemy, Mandela) you have Alan Clark's keyboard intro and Chris White's sax solo
Etc etc.
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Agreed Dusty. I must admit the statement was a bit sweeping ;D
I think because I had just watched lots of YouTube footage in which
Alan was prominent in most of the clips, I just got a bit carried away. :lol
I'd also been listening to Alchemy all day!!!!!
Of course 'THE' DS sound is made up of many parts, of which I love
everyone's contribution.
I think I was also being protective towards Alan in the context of this thread
seeing as there seems to be an ever increasing Ill feeling towards 'The Straits'
I just love Mark Knopfler & the music he has created over the years.
Yes of course 1st & foremost I like it when I hear Mark perform his songs live,
but I still see nothing wrong with other people performing his songs live.
For me it just keeps his music (especially the rarely heard eg. TOL) alive.
Cheers. BBB
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These are the kind words from Alan Clark from
His website regarding The Straits.
Since Dire Straits played their last gig in 1992, the magnificently talented, musical genius that is Mark Knopfler has made 6 solo records and, understandably, prefers to leave Dire Straits behind him and concentrate on his solo career. We formed The Straits to satisfy the huge demand to hear Dire Straits' music played by the people who made it. I joined the band in 1980. A part of me is woven into most of Dire Straits' music. Chris White has been a part of the band since 1985; Phil joined in 1990. Mark's brilliant music is in safe hands. We love it.
Cheers. BBB
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Even if it is not Alan that is playing on MM, when you hear the work he has done on the "On Location Tour" you clearly understand how important he has modified the sound of "Dire Straits Mk2" up to the Alchemy area.
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On Walk of Life you have Alan Clark's keyboard
On Brothers in Arms you have Alan Clark's organ and solo
On Telegraph Road you have Alan Clark's piano
On Romeo & Juliet (live shows like Alchemy, Mandela) you have Alan Clark's keyboard intro and Chris White's sax solo
Etc etc.
Absolutely, wasn't trying to take anything away from Alan's contributions, was just pointing out that other people played an important part as well. Thinking back to the 80s, Terry Williams' drums seem pretty overwhelming to me, they are just booming away all the time.
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The Straits will never be better, or Even as good, as DS,
but bearing in mind DS with MK is 99.9% never gonna happen
(Mark's choice) then please give The Straits a chance.
They are not trying to take anything away from Mark, they are just
trying to satisfy maybe the not quite so die hard fans such as us
who maybe are going to hear the songs that brought them so much
joy 20-30 years ago, & are not worried if Mark is there or not.
MK will always be the No.1 ;D
Cheers BBB
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I guess that person that must remains nameless is Ed Bicknell. I was very surprised to see him there. Yes, he and MK are not as friends as they used to be, but I always thought that probably Ed Bicknell may be still related to the "Dire Straits" trademark, as he was who signed them in 1977 and managed them until the very end, and probable he wont like this thing...
And I must say It looked like he really enjoyed it!
A funny man, really :)
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These are the kind words from Alan Clark from
His website regarding The Straits.
Since Dire Straits played their last gig in 1992, the magnificently talented, musical genius that is Mark Knopfler has made 6 solo records and, understandably, prefers to leave Dire Straits behind him and concentrate on his solo career. We formed The Straits to satisfy the huge demand to hear Dire Straits' music played by the people who made it. I joined the band in 1980. A part of me is woven into most of Dire Straits' music. Chris White has been a part of the band since 1985; Phil joined in 1990. Mark's brilliant music is in safe hands. We love it.
Cheers. BBB
BBB what are you talking about ?
Alan Clark is the one who wrote in his homepage that The Straits are better than any DS line up.
That sounds like the opposite of kind to me.
now he has removed it and changed into:
''Someone who shall remain nameless, who was massively connected to Dire Straits, likens The Straits to Dire Straits in their heyday - the Brothers in Arms era. I agree, and I'm not alone in thinking that occasionally we're even better.''
From better than any DS line up to occasionally better
Well if you exclude Mark when refering to the DS line up this is something that can be discussed.
In my mind the 85 line up remains my fave and will be near impossible to outrival.
Phil is a great guitarist but inside DS I like Jack's work much better.
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just now i wondered why they had not bothered to include Chris Whitten, seeing as he participated in the Australian effort last year...
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David Knopfler wouldn't fit in with The Straits. He is Dire.
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i wonder if they considered it?
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David Knopfler wouldn't fit in with The Straits. He is Dire.
Ha. Chris Whitten is based in Australia so probably not that handy. Plus Steve is Alan's mate, and did play with DS at Knebworth.
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Absolutely, wasn't trying to take anything away from Alan's contributions, was just pointing out that other people played an important part as well. Thinking back to the 80s, Terry Williams' drums seem pretty overwhelming to me, they are just booming away all the time.
Dusty you probably know my opinion about this :) They are booming the right way, in a very detailed a precise moments. Just listen to alchemy (I personally can't imagine pick there, maybe if they played in a club), songs that stayed in the set list from the On location tour are imho much improved. I just love TWs style... :)
Pick was very good for albums, but not gigs imho.
[Ha. Chris Whitten is based in Australia so probably not that handy. Plus Steve is Alan's mate, and did play with DS at Knebworth.
I think they could have "hired" a drum machine instead, because what he is doing is terrible imho. There must be gazillion of at least fair drummers in the UK who would do a bit better job than him. But its probably all about pals as you say.
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Pick Withers fit perfectly to the early DS style, when it started to rock more, Pick wasnt enough, and Terry fit very well as a rock drummer. Chris Whitten had a very had work trying to copy the Jeff Porcaro
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Barley arts information on his official site: "Italian tour (4 dates in June/July) of THE STRAITS is cancelled due to legal questions about the previous tour (!!!???)."
http://www.barleyarts.com/Dynamic/News,intLangID,1,intCategoryID,5,intItemID,6891.html
Legal questions.... sure for misleading of the name in a previous concert in Italy on 2010 that was promoted as Dire Straits.....
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:lol
LE
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Barley arts information on his official site: "Italian tour (4 dates in June/July) of THE STRAITS is cancelled due to legal questions about the previous tour (!!!???)."
http://www.barleyarts.com/Dynamic/News,intLangID,1,intCategoryID,5,intItemID,6891.html
Legal questions.... sure for misleading of the name in a previous concert in Italy on 2010 that was promoted as Dire Straits.....
I wonder why they have to pay for the italian promoters fault, thats not fair at all. The italian promoters knew they were lying, just to get the money, and the own musicians had to do the hard work to let know everybody it wasnt a Dire Straits show...
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Well, for me, there was no need of their "hard work" to show me they were NOT Dire Straits....
LE
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I can't remember why BIA Tour in 1985 in Italy was cancelled? ::)
Anybody remembers?
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Cause an Italian promoter run away with cash of LOG tour in 1983.... so they don't want risk same thing again in 1985.....
Well... So I can't see THE STRAITS in Italy? Oh my God... what could I do?????? ;D ;D ;D (joking...)
The real matter is the misleading name.... it's voluntarily misleading.... for sure... tacit agreement with all the promoters.
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Well, for me, there was no need of their "hard work" to show me they were NOT Dire Straits....
LE
They had to, if the promoters says you are Dire Straits people will go there thinking they are Dire Straits.
If the promoters dont mean to cheat on the fans, they will know from the very beguining that its a show of a band with former members of Dire Straits, and you
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Cause an Italian promoter run away with cash of LOG tour in 1983.... so they don't want risk same thing again in 1985.....
Well... So I can't see THE STRAITS in Italy? Oh my God... what could I do?????? ;D ;D ;D (joking...)
The real matter is the misleading name.... it's voluntarily misleading.... for sure... tacit agreement with all the promoters.
yes about LOG tour
and for the same reason they were paid in advance for the OES tour
never heard this, strange. can i find some more info on that somewhere??
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aren't we all pensaboy??
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The Straits tour was advertised in this Sundays
News Of The World newspaper.
Billed as 'The Sound Of Dire Straits'
Looking forward to seeing them in Ipswich in Oct.
Hope they play more than 11 songs though, like they
did at the RAH.
Cheers. BBB
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see link, then notice that the "name" already got changed in the meantime...
http://www.worldticketshop.de/konzerte/dire_straits_tickets/129576_dire_straits_york
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I guess someone is taking care of the name of the band in the press...
I hope so.
I had a joke with the friend that attented the show with me regarding the band name, we starting to suggest names, and the winner was "Phil and the Palmers"
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Why is it that a "Maestro" has only one star? What exactly IS a "Maestro", btw?? :lol
I don't want no sugar in it
Thank you very much
All wired up on it all fired up on it
Expresso touch
Hey maestro expresso
It's just another one just like the other one
Hey maestro expresso
Is this another one just like the other one
LE
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lol, i was traying out things, didn'T notice the 1 star though, but it is easy to explain, as with football shirts, the 1 star stands for "10" :lol
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Poor Alan Clark, i had such a respect for him as musician. He should rename his band as The FAKES. Its a fiasco like that Over the Rainbow deal.
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The Straits tour was advertised in this Sundays
News Of The World newspaper.
Billed as 'The Sound Of Dire Straits'
Looking forward to seeing them in Ipswich in Oct.
Hope they play more than 11 songs though, like they
did at the RAH.
Cheers. BBB
The most accurate reporting yet in that "newspaper." At least they won't be appearing in it again!
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I note The Straits' Glasgow date is a couple of days before BD and MK roll into town.
I wonder if ticket sales will be affected either way...
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I note The Straits' Glasgow date is a couple of days before BD and MK roll into town.
I wonder if ticket sales will be affected either way...
Impossible to tell really, but ticket price will certainly play a factor along with the usual debate about the Straits vs. Mk .
If only Dire Straits would just reform in entirety for such an occasion then we wouldn't end up with such a scenario. Would make more sense too given Alan Clark played on infidels. That, however, is equally as impossible.
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Would make more sense too given Alan Clark played on infidels.
I suppose that would only be relevant if they were going to play anything from Infidels. And they probably wouldn't.
Also, Dire Straits weren't on Infidels either, so I'm not sure what the point of the reunion would be.
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Would make more sense too given Alan Clark played on infidels.
I suppose that would only be relevant if they were going to play anything from Infidels. And they probably wouldn't.
Also, Dire Straits weren't on Infidels either, so I'm not sure what the point of the reunion would be.
But just with Alan it will have a point ;D
It would be such a nice dream to see MK and Alan together again :)
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It would be such a nice dream to see MK and Alan together again :)
Well I think Alan's pissed on his chips there. But it probably wouldn't have happened anyway.
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It would be such a nice dream to see MK and Alan together again :)
Well I think Alan's pissed on his chips there. But it probably wouldn't have happened anyway.
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And here is the link of their promoter:
http://www.noblepr.co.uk/Press_Releases/TheStraits/tour.htm
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Would make more sense too given Alan Clark played on infidels.
I suppose that would only be relevant if they were going to play anything from Infidels. And they probably wouldn't.
Also, Dire Straits weren't on Infidels either, so I'm not sure what the point of the reunion would be.
Applying the same logic then, what is the connection between MK and Dylan if they aren't going to be playing any tunes from Infidels or slow train coming (which they probably wont)?
If they are playing separate sets as we are led to believe then arguably its just a marketing ploy of mutual commercial convenience for two artists who have seen better days. Thinking more positively I can't imagine they will pass up the chance to play with each other.
I just think its a sad situation that the straits and MK will be in the same town around the same time but won't be playing together. Alans keys on Knocking on Heavens door when Dylan came on stage with DS in Oz in 1986 , so is Marks playing and the rest of DS for that matter. That is why a reunion would be good.
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The fact that "The Straits" are playing in Glasgow a couple of days before MK and BD is as intriguing for me as the fact that George Michael or Roxette or (... insert band name here) play in Oberhausen around the time in October when MK and BD play there. In fact, this whole artificial MK/BD and Alan Clark connection goes on my nerves to say the least... No offence meant but I think Alan Clark lost all the rest of his reputation with putting up this more or less useless tribute band stuff...
LE
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If they are playing separate sets as we are led to believe then arguably its just a marketing ploy of mutual commercial convenience for two artists who have seen better days. Thinking more positively I can't imagine they will pass up the chance to play with each other.
Probably something in this, but the real difference I would argue is that MK was hand picked by Dylan to work with him on those classic records. Alan on the other hand would never have been on Infidels if MK wasn't producing.
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I read that when the DS tour ended, most of them didnt talk to each other, in fact they travelled in groups, and for several reasons (in musical and economical terms) it was mentioned that Alan and MK had some disagreements. That economical terms were the reason of that "Dire Straits are MK, JI, AC and GF" in the OES sleevenotes, and as far as I remember, MK was very unhappy with "some members" looking for reconnaissance.
I can
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For what I know AC is not a big fan of the country music stuff whereas Mark was in it.
AC only NHB gig was because Guy wasn't available for it. You can also consider the fact that Alan is also a Geordie.
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And here is the link of their promoter:
http://www.noblepr.co.uk/Press_Releases/TheStraits/tour.htm
There is a hilarious moment in the interview to Alan Clark from BBC Radio Newcastle, the dj mention we are going to listen The Straits performing MFN, but instead what we listen is the DS version of MFN!!!!! looks like Alan didnt notice about it, or if he did, he decided not to tell anything just to avoid the shame to the dj...
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I totally agree with the interviewer, it was pretty good! :lol ::)
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There is a hilarious moment in the interview to Alan Clark from BBC Radio Newcastle, the dj mention we are going to listen The Straits performing MFN, but instead what we listen is the DS version of MFN!!!!! looks like Alan didnt notice about it, or if he did, he decided not to tell anything just to avoid the shame to the dj...
Yeah...I also noticed the annoying mistake they made and alarmed their management. They replyed that Alan did notice but it was out of his control (aired live) and the mistake of the radio station.
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For what I know AC is not a big fan of the country music stuff whereas Mark was in it.
AC only NHB gig was because Guy wasn't available for it. You can also consider the fact that Alan is also a Geordie.
I also don't think Alan is the only example of "pissing on his chips" . In fact this is not a new phenomena for Dire Straits. Let's look at a few similar examples -
David Knopfler - we know that story
Tommy Mandel - tried to improvise
Hal Lindes - booted during early BIA sessions
Pick Withers - got fed up
Jack Sonni - "had two lovely girls" then never got invited back
Terry Williams - didn't play how MK wanted on BIA but did a sterling job on tour, wanted to play on OES tour but never got invited back
Alan Clark - obviously loves playing the DS tunes but not as obedient as lap dog Guy Fletcher
Could it not be that rather than "pissing on chips" these guys simply challenged MK in a way he didn't like, or could control??
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not as obedient as lap dog Guy Fletcher,
Hey Mr. Visitor, alway good to say straight away what's on your mind... :disbelief :-[
Maybe you just should keep it more civilized.. Also the man himself, MK, is described in a rather tacky way through this description, it seems you have trouble with him basically?
LE
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not as obedient as lap dog Guy Fletcher,
Hey Mr. Visitor, alway good to say straight away what's on your mind... :disbelief :-[
LE
LE, I appoint you vice President ;D Congratulations!
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not as obedient as lap dog Guy Fletcher,
Hey Mr. Visitor, alway good to say straight away what's on your mind... :disbelief :-[
Maybe you just should keep it more civilized.. Also the man himself, MK, is described in a rather tacky way through this description, it seems you have trouble with him basically?
LE
Cheers LE! I agree entirely!
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LE, I appoint you vice President ;D Congratulations!
Only if I have not to move to Sweden... or maybe, it's a nice country after all...
Too much responsibility for me, plus nobody can do this job better than you, plus Guy loves you! ;D
(not so sure if he feels the same when he reads "Northern Germany...")
LE
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Do you mean you are turning the job down? :disbelief :disbelief :o
I can't say it doesn't hurt.... but I respect your decision
(yes Sweden is a nice country, but you wouldn't have to move here, with today's technology)
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by the way, it's not the job of President I was offering you, only Vice President. There is only one President ;D
or if you prefer you can be President of Vice ?
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I am in for the job of being the President of the Katy Perry Fan Club (not really), so I (would love to) think about that... Guy is a very hard competitor, but Katy has nicer
legs hair, so I think I will go for her... Sorry, Guy, too much a double taxation here! :lol
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;D ;D ;D
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not as obedient as lap dog Guy Fletcher,
Hey Mr. Visitor, alway good to say straight away what's on your mind... :disbelief :-[
Maybe you just should keep it more civilized.. Also the man himself, MK, is described in a rather tacky way through this description, it seems you have trouble with him basically?
LE
Ok thought Police
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No polite police
No big brother here. Only big hearts. Or maybe big enthusiasm.
LE
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I also don't think Alan is the only example of "pissing on his chips" . In fact this is not a new phenomena for Dire Straits. Let's look at a few similar examples -
David Knopfler - we know that story
Tommy Mandel - tried to improvise
Hal Lindes - booted during early BIA sessions
Pick Withers - got fed up
Jack Sonni - "had two lovely girls" then never got invited back
Terry Williams - didn't play how MK wanted on BIA but did a sterling job on tour, wanted to play on OES tour but never got invited back
Alan Clark - obviously loves playing the DS tunes but not as obedient as lap dog Guy Fletcher
Could it not be that rather than "pissing on chips" these guys simply challenged MK in a way he didn't like, or could control??
The difference is however that all those guys were persona non grata and had no chance of working with MK again. Whereas, as I previously stated, Alan Clark has worked with MK, albeit on small projects. So he has therefore "pissed on his chips", ie he can forget about working with MK again.
The others you mention had no chance of working with him anyway.
The more I read from you Mr Visitor, the more I wonder if you and Alan Clark have ever been spotted in the same room together at the same time...
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Apologies if this has been posted. Here's an interview with Big Al about The Straits. Ive never heard him speak before.
http://soundcloud.com/noblepr/the-straits-interview-bbc
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The more I read from you Mr Visitor, the more I wonder if you and Alan Clark have ever been spotted in the same room together at the same time...
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To celebrate The Strait's upcoming 10-date UK October Tour, now there is a chance to win a pair of meet and greets and tickets to meet and see the Straits perform a special warm-up gig at the Brighton Concorde2 on Tuesday September 20th.
http://youtu.be/ttmQkJ6gdQ4
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Sorry if this has been posted before but the Straits are coming to Belgium: http://www.proximusgoformusic.be/nl/event.php?event_id=348705
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Just paying you a visit.
I have been in the same room as Alan but only in the audience at a gig. I don't know the guy other than his music. I'm just a disgruntled Dire Straits fan that never saw the real deal in action.
Anyway, see you around. BTW Dylan Mk tickets look a bit pricey, that's for another thread though.
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According to the Straits site, apart from the
usual setlist suspects, it looks like they plan to
play.........
Iron Hand
Portobello Belle
Communique
;D ;D ;D ;D
Can't wait to hear Communique.
One of my 'never played live' favourites.
Cheers. BBB
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I hope you can get an audio recorder and tape it!!!!
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I hope you can get an audio recorder and tape it!!!!
please do not, I have already heard enuf
Its easy, dont listen anything anymore from them...
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From Chris' perspective:
http://www.expressandstar.com/entertainment/2011/09/27/sounds-of-dire-straits-at-birmingham-symphony-hall/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/entertainment/2011/09/27/sounds-of-dire-straits-at-birmingham-symphony-hall/)
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Interesting, he only likes the songs where there are saxophone parts in it... :lol
LE
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Interesting, he only likes the songs where there are saxophone parts in it... :lol
LE
He should have mentioned Brothers in Arms and Ride Across the River. I think he did a really good job on those playing flute.
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interesting:I was e-mailing Mark around the time of the charity gig and explained all that to him and he sent me an e-mail back saying
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I have been reading about "The Straits" and I still haven't shaped an opinion. It is true that Dire straits were a vehicle for MK, without whom the story would be different, if written at all. But it is true that John Illsley, Alan Clark and Chris White were also members of this band. So what they say is totally legitimate. The whole matter comes down to three things:
a)If they give a nice, satisfying performance.
b) If a fan can accept anyone but MK performing these songs.
c) The reasons these musicians have to play the songs.
a)Now if reason a is true, we can pay little attention to the rest reasons. You are paying to see musician playing music you adore. If they are good, you have an added bonus that they were members of a band you like. A feature that is unique amongst all the other DS tribute bands. Unfortunately in order to shape an opinion you have to attend at least one show, and I haven't.
b)There are numerous cover versions of DS songs by famous artists. Joan Baez, The Judds, Everly Brothers, the Killers and so on. I, myself always preferred the originals, but you can't deny that every new interpretation of the songs is at least interesting and at the same time a sign of recognition or tribute to the genius songwriting of MK. But I am willing to accept plain, "not yet famous" fans to play these songs as well. I would give them a go if I could. Now if past members play those songs there is not much difference, is it?
c)I sense that the main objection come from the reason (presumed by the fans) these fellows gathered, under the specific name to play the particular songs. I say that is simple: money! Now where is the problem with that? As I stated in reason a) if the interpretations of the songs are good, I wouldn't mind, I would gladly pay for a ticket for a nice musical evening with a tribute band, so why not with the (almost) real thing. In artistic matters, ethics is a very peculiar thing. I mean that in the artists' world aesthetics are the alpha and the omega, nothing else matters.
By the way I do believe that the unique part of the DS sound was the MK contributions, guitar, vocals, production and song-writing wise. But it would be quite unfair to all other musicians to be denied their contribution and the very nature of their profession, which is playing music in front of a live audience. They happened to be a part of the band, and in any case you wouldn't expect them to do it for free, even if we all get the feeling that they take advantage of their names and their part in the band. But even John Illsely had healthy sales with his two (big-company) albums, due to the fact that he was a member of Dire straits. (both albums came with the sticker"founding member of Dire straits".) Of course I would like them to create something new, that would be good, but it is a whole different discussion. They would be probably be overshadowed, no matter how good, by the new Pink Floyd re-issues. And to cut a long story short MK could have them stopped if he wished.
I could be wrong, but I am almost certain that it doesn't worth the time or effort to write such a long post.
Hey Pottel, what do you think about the new Dark side of the moon Immersion edition?
And by the way, 3 weeks ago my wife gave birth to our second daughter. That might explain the less caustic tone when I wrote this post about the Straits. Because after all artistry and money don't mix together.
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Interesting, he only likes the songs where there are saxophone parts in it... :lol
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Right!! How he could dare!! He should love only the guitar parts... :o
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hmm, so Terence sounds and plays like Mark "without even trying".
What an amazing co-incidence.
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Hmm, so Terence sounds and plays like Mark "without even trying".
What an amazing co-incidence.
Aye!
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Hmm, so Terence sounds and plays like Mark "without even trying".
What an amazing co-incidence.
No other things to hate?
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Hmm, so Terence sounds and plays like Mark "without even trying".
What an amazing co-incidence.
No other things to hate?
Just wonder why they try to imply that it was just a co-incidence that Terence sounded like MK, when he was in DS cover bands etc. Why mislead people?
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Hmm, so Terence sounds and plays like Mark "without even trying".
What an amazing co-incidence.
No other things to hate?
Just wonder why they try to imply that it was just a co-incidence that Terence sounded like MK, when he was in DS cover bands etc. Why mislead people?
I can't get about what "they" want to mislead people? Everything told clearly
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The article mentions that Terence already played the fingerpicking style before even joining the DS tribute band as it was a typical style of playing guitar where he grew up.
I think that part is the reference to the coincidence, but not very well expressed. Yes, it was a coincidince before he joined the DS tribute band, and he probably did by that coincidence, but joining The Straits was because he already played in that Ds tribute band.
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where does the word "coincidence" mentioned and why it is so important? Can't get it... ::)
Read it some times but didn't find it...or am I blind? LOL
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They are playing "Communiqu
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You mean this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcks-aMij5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HofQxDb-46c&feature=related
Sounds great!
EDIT:
Portobello Belle sounds magnificent! I also like the singing of the keyboard guy. Makes a great contrast to Reis' "Knopfler singing".
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Yes, Slavi recordings, uploaded after my message, as far as I know, I saw them when I got home last night :)
Thanks Slavi!!!
I love the end of Communiqu
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Yes, Slavi recordings, uploaded after my message, as far as I know, I saw them when I got home last night :)
Thanks Slavi!!!
I love the end of Communiqu
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EDIT:
Portobello Belle sounds magnificent! I also like the singing of the keyboard guy. Makes a great contrast to Reis' "Knopfler singing".
Yeah...incredibly better to hear it live...my recording is bad :disbelief
Jamie plays also a nice guitar ( on SOS and some other songs & percussions)
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The article mentions that Terence already played the fingerpicking style before even joining the DS tribute band as it was a typical style of playing guitar where he grew up.
I think that part is the reference to the coincidence, but not very well expressed. Yes, it was a coincidince before he joined the DS tribute band, and he probably did by that coincidence, but joining The Straits was because he already played in that Ds tribute band.
My greatest musical passion, the Grateful Dead, tried several different arrangements with various guitarists after founder Jerry Garcia's death. Those who seem to be interested in the post Garcia groups are most excited by the current band (Further) who have on lead guitar and vocals...a man who started out playing in a Grateful Dead tribute band. He too just happens to sing and play like Jerry :lol :lol :lol
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Better recordings - on this channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/jules1957#p/u/1/dPgLbsTw0Zc
Tunnel of Love - Liverpool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9655hEIlepk