A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Fletch on September 27, 2011, 08:24:08 AM
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Ingos blog has just highlighted this vid which is much better quality than the older version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA0UOEbppgE
Mark at the end (5:40) "..appalling sound ... its murder playing up there..." lol!
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awesome, are these new images? can't remember images from this (lame--> their own words) performance
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Fantastic footage. I'm sure there are loads of stuff like this around.
But, man, they were pretty corny those days ...
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Corniness aside - the sound from back then was fantastic! ;D
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Superb find. Great quality. I've got the bootleg of this, but never
seen the footage!
I like Mark's two legged jump into the air
at the end of the song. It would be great to see
some moves like that on the next tour. ;D
Cheers. BBB
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Superb find. Great quality. I've got the bootleg of this, but never
seen the footage!
I like Mark's two legged jump into the air
at the end of the song. It would be great to see
some moves like that on the next tour. ;D
Cheers. BBB
;D
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Superb find. Great quality. I've got the bootleg of this, but never
seen the footage!
I like Mark's two legged jump into the air
at the end of the song. It would be great to see
some moves like that on the next tour. ;D
Cheers. BBB
Then it is straight back to:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Handicapped_Accessible_sign.svg/451px-Handicapped_Accessible_sign.svg.png)
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The best thing (ever) is that column that hide Pick Withers behind....
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MK, such a handsome guy!! :-*
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You gave me a great lol moment Jackal. Thanks.
That's some great stuff there - the energy just leaps from the stage to the audience and literally lifts them to moments of ecstasy. So sad that he is so static and devoid of any energy now. The only time he sweats now is when the temperature is high on stage and not because he's exerting any energy and the audience sure don't feel anything from that the way we used to.
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You gave me a great lol moment Jackal. Thanks.
That's some great stuff there - the energy just leaps from the stage to the audience and literally lifts them to moments of ecstasy. So sad that he is so static and devoid of any energy now. The only time he sweats now is when the temperature is high on stage and not because he's exerting any energy and the audience sure don't feel anything from that the way we used to.
Well, he is 62 now and perhaps you wouldn't have the same energy as you had when you were 30 either, especially performing 80+ shows in three months or so and with a painful back injury! Anyway all the shows I was at were extremely well received!
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When I listen to all those Simfy shows from Spain/Portugal, I must say that these audiences are not far from ecstasy, too. Must be a "non-seated" thing. I often thought that since 2001, since MK prefers seated shows, the ecstacy has gone somehow. Pity. Nevertheless I think that it is not a too good sign
that you sweat like that after such a short festival short, let it be 20 or 30 minutes. I really think it is better that he puts the energy more into his singing and music nowadays. :)
LE
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He was certainly energetic in the video clip, but I have to say that I much prefer his performances these days! :P
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Yes, the seated/standing thing is a factor, as well as the country. I'm sure GA shows in Spain are MUCH more energetic than in Germany ;D
Oh well, MK is not Bruce Springsteen (where the heck does HE get all the energy from? I think he's the same age as MK...), and as long as the mood, the quality and the music is right... :) I'd prefer MK not to play seated again, though ;D
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Yes, the seated/standing thing is a factor, as well as the country. I'm sure GA shows in Spain are MUCH more energetic than in Germany ;D
oh yes, last tour I attended shows in Sweden and in France. Worlds apart.
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Yes, I agree. Having been twice in a standing audience at Amsterdam, there was definitely more of an excitable atmosphere there than at the seated audiences elsewhere, but I think the enthusiasm for MK and the band was still very apparent at both, whether seated or standing. Perhaps the audience listens more intently in a seated venue. :)
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Yes, the seated/standing thing is a factor, as well as the country. I'm sure GA shows in Spain are MUCH more energetic than in Germany ;D
Oh well, MK is not Bruce Springsteen (where the heck does HE get all the energy from? I think he's the same age as MK...), and as long as the mood, the quality and the music is right... :) I'd prefer MK not to play seated again, though ;D
Well, you know, sometimes "A little bit of this, get you up", and you can go on heavy heavy fuel...
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Yes, I agree. Having been twice in a standing audience at Amsterdam, there was definitely more of an excitable atmosphere there than at the seated audiences elsewhere, but I think the enthusiasm for MK and the band was still very apparent at both, whether seated or standing. Perhaps the audience listens more intently in a seated venue. :)
Wasn't Nederland the first country where DS did take off?
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No first they took off from England, unless they traveled by bus.
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Yes, the seated/standing thing is a factor, as well as the country. I'm sure GA shows in Spain are MUCH more energetic than in Germany ;D
Oh well, MK is not Bruce Springsteen (where the heck does HE get all the energy from? I think he's the same age as MK...), and as long as the mood, the quality and the music is right... :) I'd prefer MK not to play seated again, though ;D
Well, you know, sometimes "A little bit of this, get you up", and you can go on heavy heavy fuel...
Are you saying Bruce boozes? ;D
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Yes, the seated/standing thing is a factor, as well as the country. I'm sure GA shows in Spain are MUCH more energetic than in Germany ;D
Oh well, MK is not Bruce Springsteen (where the heck does HE get all the energy from? I think he's the same age as MK...), and as long as the mood, the quality and the music is right... :) I'd prefer MK not to play seated again, though ;D
Well, you know, sometimes "A little bit of this, get you up", and you can go on heavy heavy fuel...
Are you saying Bruce boozes? ;D
No ;D
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Yes, I agree. Having been twice in a standing audience at Amsterdam, there was definitely more of an excitable atmosphere there than at the seated audiences elsewhere, but I think the enthusiasm for MK and the band was still very apparent at both, whether seated or standing. Perhaps the audience listens more intently in a seated venue. :)
Wasn't Nederland the first country where DS did take off?
Early 1978, mostly unknown band I would say bus+ferry.
Add a pot smoke MK at that time.
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The video is from the Dutch Television... Missed that one on the TV :-\
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Yes, I agree. Having been twice in a standing audience at Amsterdam, there was definitely more of an excitable atmosphere there than at the seated audiences elsewhere, but I think the enthusiasm for MK and the band was still very apparent at both, whether seated or standing. Perhaps the audience listens more intently in a seated venue. :)
and belgium. those two....
read the interviews from back then...
check the "hitparades" from back then...
Wasn't Nederland the first country where DS did take off?
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"I can fly!"
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Nice screen capture! Chuck berry impersonator.
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"I can fly!"
Nice tushy shot ;)
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MK, such a handsome guy!! :-*
Completely in agreement with you. Very charming /attractive and nice tushy to boot. :) Not to mention all the talents !!!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E-jIyt1H6g&lc=z22svhhodmbte32z104t1aokggrdf1fhlwstj3mhl4ljbk0h00410
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10 year old thread resurrection :)
Great video of the band. I've always wondered why Mark preferred singing through a SM57 rather than a 58? He does it right through until the Alchemy era, maybe it was just to be 'different' but it's an odd decision. Witness Freddie Mercury using an SM58 for Live Aid like you're supposed to as a lead vocalist :)
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10 year old thread resurrection :)
Great video of the band. I've always wondered why Mark preferred singing through a SM57 rather than a 58? He does it right through until the Alchemy era, maybe it was just to be 'different' but it's an odd decision. Witness Freddie Mercury using an SM58 for Live Aid like you're supposed to as a lead vocalist :)
It's funny because I'm using an instrumental mic for my voice on my videos. I think Mark did that to emphasize that he's not a singer (which is true anyway). And you feel obliged to sing really good in a vocal mic. But in the studio, Mark always sings great and through real vocal microphones, and here you have it. I don't think that the sonic qualities of SM57 vs. SM58 would be so dramatic to makes this change because of the sound.
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10 year old thread resurrection :)
Great video of the band. I've always wondered why Mark preferred singing through a SM57 rather than a 58? He does it right through until the Alchemy era, maybe it was just to be 'different' but it's an odd decision. Witness Freddie Mercury using an SM58 for Live Aid like you're supposed to as a lead vocalist :)
It's funny because I'm using an instrumental mic for my voice on my videos. I think Mark did that to emphasize that he's not a singer (which is true anyway). And you feel obliged to sing really good in a vocal mic. But in the studio, Mark always sings great and through real vocal microphones, and here you have it. I don't think that the sonic qualities of SM57 vs. SM58 would be so dramatic to makes this change because of the sound.
The overall result, I agree, is not a significant difference. But (using both mics myself) the gain stages are very different on an average mixer (picture entry level behringer), so even back then an Engineer would have been like 'so I have to twiddle harder to make sure the 'gain to noise' ratio is minimised. But yes, nothing wrong with a SM57 for all occasions :)
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From Shure's site:
The 57 and 58 microphones are actually based on the same cartridge design. The main difference is in the grille. The SM58 was designed for vocal applications, and therefore uses a ball grille with built in pop filter to eliminate plosives.
The SM57 is designed as an instrument microphone, where a smaller grille size is more practical and plosives are less of a concern. Subsequently, the SM57 does not use a ball grille with pop filtering and instead features an integral resonator/grille assembly, where the grille is actually part of the cartridge.
Each grille design places the diaphragm of each microphone in a different acoustical environment. The distance from the top of the grille to the diaphragm is shorter on the SM57 compared to that of the SM58, which allows for a more pronounced proximity effect through closer mic positioning. Additionally, the different resonator/grille assembly design of the SM57 produces a slightly higher output above 5 kHz.
It's All a Matter of Microphone Application
Although the SM57 was originally intended for instrument applications, there are plenty of examples through music history of it being used as a vocal microphone. This is because the increased proximity effect – and 5KHz frequency boost – can be used to the engineers advantage with certain vocalists. In other words, the same qualities that help instruments, can sometimes also bolster certain voices. It's all a matter of what works for your application. Experimentation, and using your ears remains the key factor.
So there you have it, they're actually pretty similar, with subtle, but potentially significant differences.
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Yes, all true. I'm just saying it was a historically odd choice in light of 'convention'. No controversy implied, please use all types of microphones for any reason you wish.
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Yes, all true. I'm just saying it was a historically odd choice in light of 'convention'. No controversy implied, please use all types of microphones for any reason you wish.
But maybe it wasn't an odd choice, but rather a deliberate one. Maybe the 5kHz boost was desired to bring some clarity to MK's voice? (Just guessing.)
Edit: Of course, odd and deliberate are not mutually exclusive :)
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Yes, all true. I'm just saying it was a historically odd choice in light of 'convention'. No controversy implied, please use all types of microphones for any reason you wish.
But maybe it wasn't an odd choice, but rather a deliberate one. Maybe the 5kHz boost was desired to bring some clarity to MK's voice? (Just guessing.)
Edit: Of course, odd and deliberate are not mutually exclusive :)
I have a feeling that I've read something about it... Usually, I have a pretty decent memory, but I can't remember precisely. I may be wrong of course, but I read something like Mark unintentionally tried an instrumental mic for the voice and liked the sound, so he used it for vocals. But anyway, this 5K boost thing would also be a ridiculous measure to prefer SM57 considering how "well" Mark sang live in those days and how much crap was going on on the stage to care about a tiny frequency boost.
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Actually... watching this brilliant vid again (thank you kind person for bringing it back) and seeing John & David singing BVs on 58s while Mark does his lead on a 57 makes me want to bet 3 or 4 Bitcoins that he did it for style only, and... probably... because he saw someone else use this mic - I'm only guessing (no research), but I can imagine a young 70's Mark watching JJ Cale or Billy Gibbons using one and thinking "that's it".
My work in this thread is over, please discuss Marks "tush" and the long lost vid of Lady Writer.