A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Almost Straits => Topic started by: Jules on September 27, 2011, 03:04:30 PM
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In some pictures from concerts during the recent "The Straits" UK tour, there is another guitar player and you can
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Interesting. Now they have one less connection with Dire Straits that they can boast about in their promotion. I wonder how long before other members get tired and depart... Maybe Phil just woke up and realised what Alan and Chris should that is: they are better than this.
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Or maybe they had another "sausage" incident.
LE
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Don't forget Phil is a session guitar player and as such he may have other commitments...
Not good for session musicians to refuse...
Here is a copy of a part of page 2 of Guitar & Bass Magazine - october 2011...
But it not means he will not play on the tour - we will see...
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I really don't understand why Phil would want to work with losers like George Michael and Seal when he could be part of the amazing new music that will be coming from The Straits.
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Specially when George Michael is touring just with an orchestra
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I really don't understand why Phil would want to work with losers like George Michael and Seal when he could be part of the amazing new music that will be coming from The Straits.
It's probably his life long dream to meet Andrew Ridgeley.
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Specially when George Michael is touring just with an orchestra
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Didn't know he is touring now...but google says he is...so the article is strange then. Maybe the journalist don't interpret his words correct and Phil mentioned his Tour with George Michael some years ago... ??? "most recent" is a very wide concept... :lol
Other possible reason - he is in Italy for his BD on 9th September ( which was mentioned on the fan page) and wanted to spend more time there. We will see soon... :P
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I really don't understand why Phil would want to work with losers like George Michael and Seal when he could be part of the amazing new music that will be coming from The Straits.
Dusty I really don't understand when you are ironic. Could you please explain...
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Dusty, please, DON
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I really don't understand why Phil would want to work with losers like George Michael and Seal when he could be part of the amazing new music that will be coming from The Straits.
Dusty I really don't understand when you are ironic. Could you please explain...
Just my attempt at humour. :)
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OK, because I thought you were throwing stones to my favourite artists, fellow Greek George and dear Seal.
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When you get used to Dusty
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Specially when George Michael is touring just with an orchestra
;D
What is it that everyone is doing orchestra tours and albums these days?? Peter Gabriel, Sting, now George Michael... I hope MK won't!
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Specially when George Michael is touring just with an orchestra
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What is it that everyone is doing orchestra tours and albums these days?? Peter Gabriel, Sting, now George Michael... I hope MK won't!
A few years back everybody but Mark was doing unplugged album
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Specially when George Michael is touring just with an orchestra
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Does that mean no DC with georgie this time,that will mean that both mk & gm have dropped him off in the one year.
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Does that mean no DC with georgie this time,that will mean that both mk & gm have dropped him off in the one year.
At least there is this to do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ZqJkzSS_8
Sad.
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Missing Steve Ferrone too?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/junction10/sets/72157627690602701/with/6210067663/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/junction10/sets/72157627690602701/with/6210067663/)
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I wonder who is the drummer, and also the rythmic guitar player...
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According to the tour dates, both Glasgow and Manchester have been cancelled.
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I wonder who is the drummer, and also the rythmic guitar player...
You mean the people that look like Danny Cummings, Jack Sonni and Phil Palmer?
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I wonder who is the drummer, and also the rythmic guitar player...
You mean the people that look like Danny Cummings, Jack Sonni and Phil Palmer?
No. I mean the people thats is NOT Danny Cummins, Jack Sonni or Phil Palmer...
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The drummer is Martin Ditcham. He plays for Chris Rea and.........David Knopfler!
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I'm sure the dates have been cancelled due to ill health, not poor ticket sales.
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I'm sure the dates have been cancelled due to ill health, not poor ticket sales.
The Manchester gig isn't until 17th October! They must have a crystal ball! ::)
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I myself am intruiged that Mr Palmer doesn't appear to be on the tour. You may also notice that Chris White seems to have taken more of a prominant role in the interviews of late.
However, check the end of BIA from Birmingham. You have to admit this is pretty hot stuff!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fgKuxD9yXk
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I'm sure the dates have been cancelled due to ill health, not poor ticket sales.
Sneeky one Dr Phil ::) :P
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Watching the BIA clip from The Straits was impressive I have to admit (apart from the sax part). I've thought for a while that MK's way of playing DS songs these days spoils the memory of his incredible performances as a younger man. I don't know if it is a lack of energy/enthusiasm, or my own tastes changing, but I'd love to go to a MK gig knowing it was solo stuff the whole way through. Maybe that is why I'm not bothered about seeing The Straits even if they do play DS songs better than MK does these days.
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Actually the sax part is one of the best part from that video, its incredible to me how well it fits and sounds, and makes me recall when Guy says that Chris White doesnt plays sax with them on tour because there are no part sax on the songs to have him playing... well, there never were part sax before in many songs, but you can add them and sound like that!
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I´m impressed! What an end!
How I wish MK would play this song with this strong end instead of the soft one he´s playing since 1992...
Well, no discussing about tastes but...
I couldn't agree less. :)
It totally lacks the "pathos" needed by this song. I think that this "powerful" version is out of the context of the song.
I love the 2005 MK version of BIA.
Anyway, only my two cents.
Alessandro
totally quoted..... c'mon.... it's Brothers in Arms..... it can't be only "pump up the volume".... Mk version live usually make appear tears on my eyes... this version is only a reinterpretation of this cover band......
other two cents for Mk...:)
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I was at the Monserat concert and that is probably my favourite version, although The OES tour version was very powerful and also up there for me. He plays it too stripped down for me these days.
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I think the Mandela version is the best for me, a very powerful version. I like it loud and noisy, the Straits take on it is as I prefer it. It is after all a song about war.
I think I enjoy the hammond solo as much as anything though, it sets a great foundation for the final solo in any version
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It is after all a song about war.
It's a song about peace and war suffering, not about tanks, bombs and weapons...
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Funny this slight diversion; I used to enjoy the more stripped down version of BIA and, like Val, the Toronto 2001 version was among my favourites. However, lately I've been listening to a lot of versions from the BIA tour when the song was still fresh and I really think it was much better. It was a lot more powerful, about twice as fast and Mark also sang it much better with great feeling especially early on in the tour.
The Mandela version (and warm-up ones too) were also great.
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It is after all a song about war.
It's a song about peace and war suffering, not about tanks, bombs and weapons...
A bit pedantic, as it is a song about war, specifically inspired by something his Father said to him during the Falklands conflict about the lunacy of war. I think a powerful version is totally in keeping with the context. If The Straits tackled Remembrance Day and made that into a big powerful ending that would be more out of context for me.
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As a good PR would say, any publicity is good publicity. Especially when this bad publicity is for others and in return good for you. MK should be more than glad, if he cared, that so many of us even go to the trouble of spending time to compare "the straits" with either MK or the original Dire Straits. Not so much for the not so favourable comments for "the straits" as for the fact that it is actually time spent talking over his creations. Everybody should have the right to an opinion, but the best way to harm such acts, if you find them offencive or whatever, is by ignoring them at all. Which, in my opinion, is weird, for the particular situation. If it is the music we didn't like, the interpretation or the production, it would be fair to say whatever we want. But here I read several comments, at the very least hinting about the morality and ethics of this coming together. But don't you forget that they are musicians, they play music for a living, and they play songs that they can sell. And what's more they happen to be members of the original group.
I am relatively young as a fan, so I may not be the one to point out the obvious, but for the ones that hadn't notice it or realized it: MK was 36 when he recorded BIA, and I am 36 and haven't even recorded a Communique. :lol
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It is after all a song about war.
It's a song about peace and war suffering, not about tanks, bombs and weapons...
A bit pedantic, as it is a song about war, specifically inspired by something his Father said to him during the Falklands conflict about the lunacy of war. I think a powerful version is totally in keeping with the context. If The Straits tackled Remembrance Day and made that into a big powerful ending that would be more out of context for me.
Mk wrote the song, MK wrote and decided the arrangements, MK plays it, MK sing it. I think we have enough elements to evalute the exact context of the song listening at the performances of his original composer, especially on the last decade, where MK has considerably grown up his musical skills.
Alessandro
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And what's more they happen to be members of the original group.
I know what you mean VGONIS2002, but the original group were Mark, David, Pick and John! ;D
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And what's more they happen to be members of the original group.
I know what you mean VGONIS2002, but the original group were Mark, David, Pick and John! ;D
Correctly pointed out Val!
Well about David. He puts out original stuff, but he receives just about the same reactions, as "the straits". For sanity's sake, his name was Knopfler, he has a rich and famous brother and was an original member of Dire straits. (as underlined by Val, thank you Val) And what's more he started his career back in the early 80ies. Now I understand if you don't like his work (as a matter of fact some of his songs are quite listenable, and fewer still rather good - but actually that doesn't help the point I am trying to make, so regard it as a moment of hazy truth and then forget it altogether) but it is quite peculiar to ask him to either not play music or record under a pseudonym. Now let's ask Dusty of his opinion about David... ;)
And I don't recall reading any complaints about the official John Illsley live album which contained most of the dire straits hit songs. ;)
As for Pick, well needles to say I adore his drumming and can find his early retirement a big waste of talent. Thank God his earlier recoded work with Dando Shaft can give me some more of his tasteful drumming. :)
It is after all a song about war.
It's a song about peace and war suffering, not about tanks, bombs and weapons...
A bit pedantic, as it is a song about war, specifically inspired by something his Father said to him during the Falklands conflict about the lunacy of war. I think a powerful version is totally in keeping with the context. If The Straits tackled Remembrance Day and made that into a big powerful ending that would be more out of context for me.
Mk wrote the song, MK wrote and decided the arrangements, MK plays it, MK sing it. I think we have enough elements to evalute the exact context of the song listening at the performances of his original composer, especially on the last decade, where MK has considerably grown up his musical skills.
Alessandro
And what about the Joan Baez version? Oh, it is a slippery road the one we chose to follow with this conversation.
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And what's more they happen to be members of the original group.
I know what you mean VGONIS2002, but the original group were Mark, David, Pick and John! ;D
Correctly pointed out Val!
(as underlined by Val, thank you Val)
Thank you, for thanking me, VGONIS2002! ;D :lol :lol
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Brothers in arms was a song released in 1985, and the live version from that tour had that strong drum part at the end that makes the song more epic, then MK decided to delete that part and keep the song on the slow tempo till the end.
I preffer the powerful version, it touch my heart, the slow one, makes me sleep.
My two cents.
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Brothers in arms was a song released in 1985, and the live version from that tour had that strong drum part at the end that makes the song more epic, then MK decided to delete that part and keep the song on the slow tempo till the end.
I preffer the powerful version, it touch my heart, the slow one, makes me sleep.
My two cents.
My two cents completely agree with your two cents on this one.
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Brothers in arms was a song released in 1985, and the live version from that tour had that strong drum part at the end that makes the song more epic, then MK decided to delete that part and keep the song on the slow tempo till the end.
I preffer the powerful version, it touch my heart, the slow one, makes me sleep.
My two cents.
When I was younger (I was 16 at time) I too liked better "powerful" songs compared with slow ones that I unfairly labeled as boring ones.
Now my tastes are changed and I love how MK musically improved the quality of his performances.
Alessandro
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Brothers in arms was a song released in 1985, and the live version from that tour had that strong drum part at the end that makes the song more epic, then MK decided to delete that part and keep the song on the slow tempo till the end.
I preffer the powerful version, it touch my heart, the slow one, makes me sleep.
My two cents.
My two cents completely agree with your two cents on this one.
I agree with both of you! I was just pointing out in my post that MK DID play impressive and powerful endings post-1992! I just didn't find The Straits powerful ending as touching and emotional as MK's! However, they are keeping DS music alive and that is what is important! :)
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So getting back to the Straits then, if you like the 1985 tour powerful one then, the Straits version is a good representation of this, imo better than the watered down version of more recent years. Purely personal taste.
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Val, apols missed ur post, like I say, down to personal taste
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1985 version for me.
But Mark changed the end after reading a review of the show. As early as of 1986 if I am correct.
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1985 version for me.
But Mark changed the end after reading a review of the show. As early as of 1986 if I am correct.
interesting, what is the whole story??
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I wonder who is the drummer, and also the rythmic guitar player...
Adam Phillips is the other guitar player
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1985 version for me.
But Mark changed the end after reading a review of the show. As early as of 1986 if I am correct.
interesting, what is the whole story??
This from a MK interview probably in a french magazine that I have...somewhere.
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Phil is on tour with George Michael. Confirmed on Alans site. Prior commitment I reckon.