A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Pottel on October 11, 2011, 10:33:14 AM
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recent interview:
(in german, got no time to translate now, any volunteers?)
General-Anzeiger: Ihre Club-Konzerte sind in der Regel ausverkauft. Ist das die Atmosph
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http://www.general-anzeiger-bonn.de/index.php?k=news&itemid=10028&detailid=949187
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funny you should post that today Pottel, I had a dream last night in which you and DK were in! (and also Ingridswing!) LOL :lol
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wow,....mindblowing..... :lol
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Sad, I think.
I can understand why they broke up in DS days - must not be easy to exist next to such a creative force as Mark.
Yet, in 1983 the two broters seemed reconciled as Mark played on David's first album... but this was never done again. So there must have been a second break up. Maybe because of the massive success of the BiA album and DS going into the pop direction, which David may have been disgusted with ?
Anyway, over the years, Mark and David's philosophies seem to have come closer: more initimated music, no more stadium rock, etc. So, why no relationship after all these years ? Maybe because, as I think DK mentionned once, he considers that Mark has done charity concerts to promote his own album.... Still, that's not a valid explanation.
If Roger Waters and David Gilmour, after 20 years spent trowing their toys at each other, can now play together and hug each other on stage, why can't the Knopfler brothers ? Is Mark that strange of a guy, as David hints in this interview ?
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We should leave that to them in private. Who really needs David back? Mark is so brilliant at the moment, every collaboration would just mean a break in his creative process he is in.
Sometimes I think that both of them just play with us telling every journalist that they don't speak to each other anymore. On the other hand, it is not that rare and seldom that people split up forever, as sad as it might be. Mark is a strong character, and I think after all we read and heard about him the last decades it is indeed fair to think that it is probably not easy to get along with him. But again, I do not want to marry him, I am just interested in his musical output.
LE
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Well, actually, it's ok for me now (kinda selfish ;D ). I like both DK and MK's music and I don't see the problem they don't play together anymore. They're both great songwriters and performers, though they prefer a different setting.
Personally I prefer the DK gigs as they're quite 'small' contrary to the MK stadium gigs. Maybe a collaboration will have a 'negative' effect on a creative process, I don't know. But it doesn't necessarily mean DK influences MK in a bad way. It could happen the other way round... Don't know. I'm glad they both went their own way and doing what they like to do and are good at, making music. :)
Tomorrow I'll attend the show in Bonn, next week MK & BD. :D
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Who really needs David back?
I like his sound on the live recordings.
But as a DS member there was no room for him as a co leader.
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I actually kind of like DK's music. He sounds quite like Mark especially when he sings Wild West End. It's too bad that all these years the 2 of them haven't amended their relationship. Must have been hard for the family. :(
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Must have been hard for the family. :(
Indeed ...
Though they both have changed much over the years, David is probably the one who has stayed closer to his (and Mark's) roots in that he is more outspoken politically and socially (check out his webiste). Not that Mark and Dire Straits were particularly political, but I think Mark with his success and wealth and upperclass lifestyle has become a type of person that David would feel uncomfortable hanging around. There might of course be a hint of jealousy too on David's part. If on top of that, he feels that he has not received money he is entitled too, I guess there is not much to build or rebuild a relationship on.
But it is possible, though. Been through a breakdown and rebuilding of the relationship with my own brother. It takes forgiveness and willingness to forget, on both sides.
As for Mark and David, I have no need to see them performing together, but as people that have been with us for a large part of our lives, it would have been heartwarming to see them reconcile.
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Well said, Jackal.
Yes, it must have been hard for the family, which I understand was very united and happy during Mark and David's childhood.
Maybe Mark could look at Roger Waters example. The no-so-bad-guy-after-all who admitted publically that he had been grumpy and childish, that although Dave and him did not have much in commun both philosophically and musically, they did great things together, that he is a superb guitarist and an essential contributor to all of Floyd best records... I found this very touching indeed.
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Does everyone here understand german? I don't :(
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Does everyone here understand german? I don't :(
I don't either, but I believe in Google translation ;)
Although... I'm not dumb at German to the extend of not knowing that "Nein" means "no" and not "yes"... Google translated DK's answer as "Yes", making me feel for a while that he said he still had a relationship with his brother !!!???
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interview with DK
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All the venues he played in Spain were theaters and venues like that, 40.000 people is impossible, that will be a big football stadium full of people...
I never use google translator, unless I wanna have a laugh, its always very funny to translate the same text five or six times, and using different languages if possible, the final result is hilarious!
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i was also a bit surprise when he said 40000....
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i was also a bit surprise when he said 40000....
Some kind of outdoor (charity?) festival?
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That must be a mistake, I guess its 4000 in a big theater...
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Hi ,
Quick fix about this interview : Nein would means No
so :
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GA: Are you still in contact with your brother?
Knopfler: NO.
GA: That is sad.
Knopfler: Not really.
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Regards.
Riton
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Les fr
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Hi ,
Quick fix about this interview : Nein would means No
so :
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GA: Are you still in contact with your brother?
Knopfler: NO.
GA: That is sad.
Knopfler: Not really.
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Regards.
Riton
For the ones not that fond of DK, the translation was correct(read again):
GA: Are you still in contact with your brother?
Knopfler: Yes.
GA: That is sad.
Knopfler: Not really.
:lol
And I think the misunderstanding with the 40000 people comes from the use of the coma (,) that in some languages is used between numbers instead of (.) ;)
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My german is not very good, but NEIN used to be NO...
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My german is not very good, but NEIN used to be NO...
...unless you are a Politician and talk about tax increases... :lol
LE
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My german is not very good, but NEIN used to be NO...
...unless you are a Politician and talk about tax increases... :lol
LE
Policians doesnt say YES or NO, they always says "Kind of maybe"
;D ;D ;D
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My german is not very good, but NEIN used to be NO...
...unless you are a Politician and talk about tax increases... :lol
LE
Policians doesnt say YES or NO, they always says "Kind of maybe"
Dear jbaent, LE got it right. Politicians rarely say "kind of maybe" and when they do is before they quit or get fired for actually telling the truth: that they don't have the slightest idea. But maybe in your country you have honest politicians. Remember the old joke: How do you know that a politician lies? - He opens his mouth (or her mouth since equality of the sexes mean equality in lies as well)
;D ;D ;D
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My german is not very good, but NEIN used to be NO...
...unless you are a Politician and talk about tax increases... :lol
LE
Policians doesnt say YES or NO, they always says "Kind of maybe"
Dear jbaent, LE got it right. Politicians rarely say "kind of maybe" and when they do is before they quit or get fired for actually telling the truth: that they don't have the slightest idea. But maybe in your country you have honest politicians. Remember the old joke: How do you know that a politician lies? - He opens his mouth (or her mouth since equality of the sexes mean equality in lies as well)
;D ;D ;D
Writting inside the quotes is a Pottel thing and its copyrighted ;D ;D ;D
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I didn't do it on purpose, and I guess Pottel found it by accident. But glad to give a dime for Pottel's rights. ;)
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I didn't do it on purpose, and I guess Pottel found it by accident. But glad to give a dime for Pottel's rights. ;)
just promise you willnto do it again :-)
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I didn't do it on purpose, and I guess Pottel found it by accident. But glad to give a dime for Pottel's rights. ;)
just promise you willnto do it again :-)
NEIN. ;D
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new interview:
http://www.maerkischeallgemeine.de/cms/beitrag/12196170/61009/Mit-Dire-Straits-Wurzeln-will-David-Knopfler-nichts.html
"when asked if he still is being called "the little brother"" David stops the interview.....
Mit Dire-Straits-Wurzeln will David Knopfler nichts zu tun haben und
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If these journalists had done a trifle research and had a minimum of social intelligence, they might have understood that DS and Mark are personally difficult topics for David. Yeah, yeah. He wouldn't have been where he is today without DS and Mark, but isn't it possible for the journalist just to THINK for a second and gloss it over and just refer to him as "a founding member of DS who decided to go his own way" and leave it at that? David might not be the greatest artist out there, but, heck, respect the guy and interview him on his own terms, on the basis of his own artistic achievements. It's only 30+ years since he left DS ...
Idjeets.
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same happens all the time when famous people break up for example, or in the same case when artists "break up"
journalists need a story, more exciting then "david just played a great show in front of 200 people2 so i guess it's only human i guess, silly, ill prepared, but human.
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About the reaction of DK to stop the interview, bravo, I would have done the same, if I couldn't find something clever to say. After all if the journalist has intentions of using him just as a source for DS days, 30 years ago, and not as a solo artist, at least some tact and a cunning plan. ;) In this very case it is both what you say and how you say it, so lose-lose situation if you go down this road. It is a shame because the Chris Rea contributions in his last but one album were great. Why not ask about Chris Rea? :lol I guess every body has records in his/her collection that didn't make it to the turntable or CD player more than a couple of times. Why don't we make fan of them? Because they don't have a famous big brother? (And apparently he is not watching...) ;D
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honestly people, the guy is touring in front of 200 people a night. yes his performances are not bad, but honestly, would ANY of us even think about going to his performance were it not for his previous band?
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Of course not, but as I said, it must be possible for the interviewer to handle the issue a bit more gently. He could even have skipped the questions altogether and just written in the introduction to the interview that David was part of Dire Straits.
A similar incident occurred on Norwegian TV last week, when Noel Gallagher was interviewed. The moron of an interviewer seemed like the conflict between the Gallagher brothers was the only thing worth asking about! I understand if it is done in a passing sentence or jokingly, but he just kept on and on. Much to Noel's displeasure.
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If DK if promoting something then this is something he must put up with. The interviewer is only doing his job by asking questions that he thinks people would like to know the answers to and DS was a major part of his life.
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Jackal, that is the attitude! We sometimes forget that musicians are people like us and a little tact in matters that seem to bother an other human being is in order. Of course I can understand DMG & Pottel's argument, because the musician uses the journalist at least as much to promote his work. But he is not asking the questions and he has every right not to answer, or in this case stop altogether with the danger of losing a part of his audience, while the journalist is probably out of harms way - playing it safe. Maybe DK should ask the journalist if he knows the guy his wife slept with last night and sure was not the journalist himself. That would also intrigue (the other word for interest) the world. The intention of the interviewer is not just to please his audience at all expenses. His guest is not a dancing bear.
What I don't get is the argument about going to his performances were it not for his previous band. OK, he was in DS. He is a musician. Should he stop performing? He can't change the past. Why is it bad? Why should he be punished for that? MK is no longer in DS. Should he stop playing? Of course he plays in bigger venues and that is his reward for writing more popular songs. If people go to DK concerts just for the former glories, let me tell you they are bound to be let down. After all I haven't seen an ADIT site. Have any of you seen one? And the same goes to the straits situation. Their concerts are actually good. The best tribute band of them all with real members from the original straits. Would I go to their concerts? I don't know, but it is all about music not ethics or a feeling about right and wrong. And it is more honest and fair, even if it bother us. Maybe we have some secret hope that we could travel back in time to see DS. And as I said before, who would buy an Alan Clark album of originals, even if it was the best music of the year. Almost none, (see all the other solo ex-DS efforts, bar MK, or even with MK sales wise) since the music industry is more keen in promoting for the 10th time the Pink Floyd re-issues and everybody buying for the new covers and having it sit next to all the previous editions. The money spent for that, would deprive any new artist of healthy sales. A good example is John Martyn. He was a fantastic musician with albums so good you can not help but wonder why he wasn't huge. And he had the right friends. Gilmour has even toured with him as a simple guitarist. Massive attack mention him. A friend of Nick Drake but I guess even Drake was a passing trend for most, and nobody cared to dig a bit and find. He was there but never made it. Even Phil Collins (dusty sorry, some kind words for Phil) helped him by producing an album and contributing in more. But no, nothing. And what's more he wasn't even a ex-member of DS, to deserve such a treatment.
Well I got this load of my back, sorry guys, but I was pissed off when he died and even then he received a small tribute for his great work.
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I'm not entirely defending David either. After all, he does sing some of the old DS songs, he does refer to himself as a founding member of DS (of course for marketing purposes), and his guitarist Harry something does play solos that often are very Mark-esque. SO, if he really was that upset about the past, he should let go completely.
At any rate, I think asking those kind of questions is very sensationalist and cheap. A good journalist does research first.
Asking questions like this is a bit like the joke about the narcissist:
"Well, enough about me", said the narcissisit. "What do you think about me?" -> "Enough about Mark," said the journalist. "What do you think about Mark, David?"
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It is time we leave egotism aside and think about ourselves.
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Haha