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Title: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Fletch on October 31, 2011, 07:54:35 AM
So - it was after joining AMIT that I delved into Marks solo work. Before that I was probably only aware of Cannibals, which actually got radio AirPlay back in the 90s!

I started buying the odd song on iTunes, trying to avoid nasty Celtic ballads, but eventually, after being turned on by songs like Border Reiver and Hillfarmers, I just bought the CDs. Which is what I should have done in the first place!!!

Almost without fail I found each album underwhelming on the first few listens. Gradually of course - and I think everyone is a little like this - I grew to love some and loathe others.

Surprising even myself I enjoy Shangri La the most consistently. I think it's because it tends to groove along even in a laid back way, without going folky or Irish. Mostly!

So tell us which one you like now, why, and what is your memory of first listens?

I'm fascinated by the Bob Dylan fans who have joined and there reactions to the concerts. Honesty can be shocking! :)
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Pottel on October 31, 2011, 08:15:49 AM
Difficult, but i guess it is a close call between get lucky and ragpicker for me
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: superval99 on October 31, 2011, 08:53:43 AM
Difficult choice between "Ragpicker" and "Get Lucky".    I loved both, almost from the first listen and still do!   :) 

Is it possible to have two votes?   ;D
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: ds1984 on October 31, 2011, 09:21:29 AM
Very difficult for me.

I would put GH-SL-TRD-GL on one side and SL-KTGC on the other.

If I had only one choice left if would be then GH although this more a patchwork of songs than a real album.
But AWITN is one of my personnal fave song.

Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Love Expresso on October 31, 2011, 10:09:56 AM
1. The Ragpicker's Dream
1.b Sailing To Philadelphia
1.c Get Lucky
2. Shangri La
3. Golden Heart
last rank: KTGC

The first three place change from time to time, but one thing I really could say without any doubt is that KTGC ranks on the last place. Not because I would think it is so bad inevitably, it is just that the others mean much more to me!  ;)

LE
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Maxx on October 31, 2011, 10:46:50 AM
I think STP and GH is the "best", but GL is better. Interpret as you want.  ;D
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Fletch on October 31, 2011, 11:08:45 AM
Yeah, it's not about "best" as much as what you enjoy more consistently. I guess the nature of these silly polls are frivolous. But as I would still consider myself fairly new to the albums, I'm interested in some of you old timers to see if some really grow on you. Sounds like no such luck for KTGC! ;D
Likewise if there are new fans I'm interested to see if some folk are as horrified by the lack of rock as I was! The laid back folk does take a while to grow, if you've been brought up on a diet of Dire Straits.
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Love Expresso on October 31, 2011, 11:24:09 AM
No, it is not so much the lack of rock, it is more the quality of songwriting. I think there are some weak songs on KTGC, it has not so much to do with the way they are recorded or the style they are in, because, in terms of recording it is still an awesome record. But Baloney Again, Wanderlust, One Last Matinee, Fare Thee Well Northumberland, Old Pigweed etc. are real gems, whereas I have problems to name one real gem from KTGC that lasts in my mind.

LE
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: superval99 on October 31, 2011, 11:25:21 AM
Sounds like no such luck for KTGC! ;D


On the contrary.  I love KTGC and listen to it quite a bit, but I think it's one of those albums for which you have to be in the right mood!   I think a lot of the songs are really beautiful and the lyrics are great eg "The Scaffolder's Wife" - I feel sure I know her!  ;D

I had listened to DS since almost the beginning, but with a few DS exceptions, I think I like Mark's solo albums more than DS.  :)
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Tally on October 31, 2011, 11:34:14 AM
It's Philadelphia for me, amazing quality and variety of songs, guest artists, fantastic guitar playing, etc. But Ragpicker has really grown on me since I first heard it, it's probably number two these days.
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: border_reiver on October 31, 2011, 12:41:13 PM
GH over the others.

Primarily based on the pure "come back"-factor that struck me at the time and then the fact that the Golden Heart B-sides still outplay several of the recent offical album tracks.

But as by this fall my vote will go to whatever album that holds "Corned beef city"  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Rollergirl on October 31, 2011, 02:58:02 PM
Philly, closely followed by lucky, but I love them all
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Maxx on October 31, 2011, 06:11:58 PM
GH over the others.

Primarily based on the pure "come back"-factor that struck me at the time and then the fact that the Golden Heart B-sides still outplay several of the recent offical album tracks.


I see your point there, and it's a good one. GH is a great "come back-album" and probably far superior than any later album in that point of view. I guess it also was a very important one as it probably kept a lot of the Straits fans even if it was a few steps from it, as the later may have scared off a bunch.
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: SirDogg on November 01, 2011, 04:13:01 PM
Must be Golden Heart, with Sailing to Philly a close second
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: goldenheart96 on November 01, 2011, 05:42:22 PM
STP, as this was the first MK album I listened to. But it's very closely followed by Get Lucky.

My ranking would look something like this:

STP
Get Lucky
KTGC
RPD
Shangri-La
Golden Heart (it's not really fair to put it so far below, and I love some of the rockers; but overall, it's just too much "Look I am in LOVE and I need everyone to tell!" for me. Not my kind of thing. Besides, Mark's voice sounds horrible on that one)
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Jules on November 01, 2011, 08:41:56 PM
Golden Heart (it's not really fair to put it so far below, and I love some of the rockers; but overall, it's just too much "Look I am in LOVE and I need everyone to tell!" for me. Not my kind of thing. Besides, Mark's voice sounds horrible on that one)

Being your nickname, I expected it was your favourite  ;D

So you are not romantic girl, aren
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: goldenheart96 on November 01, 2011, 08:46:50 PM
Golden Heart (it's not really fair to put it so far below, and I love some of the rockers; but overall, it's just too much "Look I am in LOVE and I need everyone to tell!" for me. Not my kind of thing. Besides, Mark's voice sounds horrible on that one)

Being your nickname, I expected it was your favourite  ;D

So you are not romantic girl, aren
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Love Expresso on November 01, 2011, 09:08:38 PM
Well, it is only Darling Pretty and Golden Heart, isn't it. And A Night In Summer Long Ago. Three out of 14. That's not too lovesick from my point of view...
The Golden Heart lyrics are very cheesy, I agree.

LE
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: ds1984 on November 01, 2011, 09:10:07 PM
I did find Mark so touching in this album after the darkness of OES, the sunshine rise again in Mark's life.

GH is just reminding me of the positive romantic feeling of Down To The Waterline or Wild West End.






Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: superval99 on November 01, 2011, 09:14:56 PM
Well, it is only Darling Pretty and Golden Heart, isn't it. And A Night In Summer Long Ago. Three out of 14. That's not too lovesick from my point of view...
LE


Don't forget "Are We In Trouble Now"   ;)
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Love Expresso on November 01, 2011, 09:19:04 PM
However, it seems MK had the same feeling about the album, because it is hard to find another real love song on one of the following albums.Whoop de Doo maybe.

LE
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: goldenheart96 on November 01, 2011, 09:24:38 PM
Well, it is only Darling Pretty and Golden Heart, isn't it. And A Night In Summer Long Ago. Three out of 14. That's not too lovesick from my point of view...
The Golden Heart lyrics are very cheesy, I agree.

LE

What about "Nobody's Got The Gun", "I'm The Fool" and "Are We In Trouble Now"? Six out of 14 puts it in a different light... It's too much lovey-dovey stuff for me, sorry  :-\ "Darling Pretty" is rather cheesy too ("Heal my aching heart and soul", oh come on! ::) ), but I have to admit I like the guitar solo. So much more effective than those stereotypical lyrics.
The rest is okay with me, "Vic and Ray" is a bit dull maybe, and as for "Bonaparte"... Well I'd learn to like it again if MK kicked it out of his setlist  ;D

I also have to add that I find the whole album wayyy too overproduced.
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Maxx on November 01, 2011, 10:24:55 PM
I also have to add that I find the whole album wayyy too overproduced.

For a benighted person; what does that really mean?
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: goldenheart96 on November 01, 2011, 10:53:19 PM
I also have to add that I find the whole album wayyy too overproduced.

For a benighted person; what does that really mean?

Difficult to explain... It sounds very smooth and perfect, at least for me; no edginess. Take "On The Night" and "Alchemy" for comparison: The first one is smooth and perfect, the latter one edgy and raw. Maybe someone else can elaborate a bit more?
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: ds1984 on November 01, 2011, 11:16:38 PM
Alchemy is just badly recorded (regarding current standards) and sound raw.
For On The Night, a somewhat 48+ tracks recorder was used and was carefully mixed. But to my known no overdubs were made.

To my hear STP is as much produced as GH (Silvertone Blues for example). The difference is that STP got a more simple recording process whereas GH was made from a lot of sessions with many different musicians.




Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Jules on November 01, 2011, 11:44:00 PM
Alchemy sounds real...

On the night sounds like... death sound... without any life, like it was recorded in a studio in different isolated rooms instead of live on stage.

Golden heart probably sounds like that because it was recorded in several studios, with several musicians, and before a record is release, it has to be mastered in order to all the songs sound the same way, the same sound level etc etc etc, and the rest of MH records were recorded in just one studio.

I think STP was recorded in several studios too.

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Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: koobaa on November 02, 2011, 12:59:37 AM
For On The Night, a somewhat 48+ tracks recorder was used and was carefully mixed. But to my known no overdubs were made.
Some overdubs must have been done though... Backing vocals on some songs sound like they were overdubbed (Heavy Fuel for example). Alchemy is just more authentic and dynamic.
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Fletch on November 02, 2011, 07:08:05 AM
My lonely vote for SL! I knew I was odd here. ;D
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Love Expresso on November 02, 2011, 08:10:16 AM
I think it is funny that you are not the only one, jbaent, thinking that there is no connection between the songs on STP, some other members have posted that, too, a while ago (I think Dusty for example). For me, it is far fom being just a bunch of songs. But each to his/her own of course. I could go on and talk a long time about what I love so much about STP, but I won't bother you with that  :lol. One point might be that there indeed is no love song on it.
And the travel from the UK to the US and back, in reality, in history, in music and in songwriting, has never been covered better by Mark than in the collection of these songs.


If "Alchemy" is badly recorded, I prefer a badly recorded live album any time!  ;D

LE
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 02, 2011, 08:45:26 AM
However, it seems MK had the same feeling about the album, because it is hard to find another real love song on one of the following albums.Whoop de Doo maybe.

LE

In the Sky? Shangri La? If This Is Goodbye?

For a long time Shangri La was my face but now it's Get Lucky. The rest are all brilliant too, except KTGC.
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Rollergirl on November 02, 2011, 09:14:26 AM
Well, I do like the title, and I can be romantic  ;) I just don't like it when people spread out their feelings just because they can, since they are famous. Goethe's love poems make me nauseous, too. People are in love and lovesick all over the world, so I don't see why famous people's feelings are more special. Just MHO  :)

It's not being famous that gives them the "right" to spread out their feelings, it's the fact that they are poets and that's what a poet does, express their feelings in poems/songs. Comes with the job. Somebody famous for being a chef for example wouldn't do that. (or maybe he would cook just luuuuurve peas;D )
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: vgonis on November 02, 2011, 11:22:42 AM
What a topic. ::)It is clear that we all love every album for more or less different reasons   ;) but we favor KTGC least of all for one and only reason we dare not admit quite openly: poor songwriting.
Now for Flech's sake, this is my story for MK's personal albums. GH was a big surprise, that I received as a wink from my brother while I was in the army (near Gilmour's house at Lindos - Pottel  ;)) .  Anyway, even though I was surprised, I can't say I quite liked what I heard. The return to roots was not complete and the effort to include rockers just to attract DS  fans wasn't really working for me. Sailing to Philadelphia was more welcome, due to best songwriting and guests and rockers and easy flow. His voice was better, too. It is certainly the album with the most spins. RPD is the hidden jem (and with a great Elliott Erwitt photo for cover. Being a photographer it had some affect on me. And of course the first solo release that was issued in my favourite format :Vinyl). At first I was let down, but several spins later revealed a more solid songwriting than previous albums at the expense of rockers, but for the same reason more cohesive. Even though I much prefer the beefed up with the terrific solo  HFB live version,  the raw material is there at RPD. SL could have been my favourite album, since it is the one that reminds me more of the good old DS days. Also the psychological factor, is important, since I was in the U.K. in August 2004 at the time of release, chasing a promo at all the second hand record shops of London, just to be able to listen to it before most people. KTGC never did it for me. I tried and tried but no desire to go back, what so ever. And I gave it many spins since it was the KTGC tour coming from Greece and I wanted to be able to understand and participate.    Get lucky was a nice return to more solid song writing, but surely a long way from the sound I have been expecting. But since the song writing is the most important part of all, I now see it as a new window to the world of music, which coming from MK made it easier to open and gaze. (ATRR meanwhile tried the same a couple of years but for me it didn't work as good)
Now, imagine where I casted my vote... ;D 
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: superval99 on November 02, 2011, 11:57:24 AM
Well, I like KTGC a lot.  It's not my favourite by a long way, but the lyrics are really descriptive and I find I am listening to this album a lot more now than when it was released.

VGONIS2002 - I imagine you cast your vote in the same place as I did, but I'm probably wrong!     ;D
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Rollergirl on November 02, 2011, 12:09:10 PM
but we favor KTGC least of all for one and only reason we dare not admit quite openly: poor songwriting.

Sorry, I can't let that one pass. Poor songwriting? I don't think MK is capable of that.
The reason KTGC is bottom of my list is that it's missing a couple of "rockers" or "folkers" in my opinion. Too soft. And I am missing the trademark MK licks which came back on Get Lucky.

Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: vgonis on November 02, 2011, 12:23:31 PM
Superval, it is a surprise but you are correct with my casted vote... ;D

Rollergirl, I can not let this "not let it pass" pass, either. In fact I don't much like people that let that pass, but I will let that pass for the moment. KTGC has 0 (zero) votes. Surprised? No. But I am surprised that you believe that MK is incapable of writing bad songs. In fact if he is as good as we all believe, than he can actually write a bad tune, too. If he is not able to write a bad tune, then he is not that good a composer.

And anyway, why should we consider a weak record, good, even if it is by MK? That makes us less fanatic? No, it is plain truth. After all we need that sort of records from our favourite artist, in order to prove our fan-ship. In later years it will be the one we are going to listen to when we get bored from over-listening the rest of his records.
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: superval99 on November 02, 2011, 12:37:09 PM
I don't think KTGC has zero votes because it is a bad album.  It's probably, because, like me, there are those of us who just like others more.  

I find KTGC an album full of nostalgia and that can make it feel a bit sad, but not due to poor songwriting.  There are vivid pictures in my mind when I listen to this album and that is because of MK's great lyrics.    

The fact that KTGC has zero votes is also, possibly, because most of the songs are not concert material - only two have been performed in concert on tour, plus a couple more on promo tours.
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Rollergirl on November 02, 2011, 12:54:09 PM
The fact that I (or you or even Dusty  ;D) don't like KTGC as much as the other albums doesn't make it a bad album, neither does the fact that all who have voted here (29 people!) don't consider it their favourite.

I knew when I wrote this (MK is not capable of bad songwriting) I was going to get some reactions. I am still expecting a long list of "bad" songs by MK.

They are not bad, or weak, but we don't like them for one reason or another. Big difference. Music is so subjective, somebody's bad gives somebody else ear or brain-orgasms  ;D.





Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: vgonis on November 02, 2011, 01:23:30 PM
Superval you ground me! ;D  We are fans, we are supposed to like everything due to permanent ear MKosis. And no matter how we name our inability to like everything at the same degree, fact above this all, is that even the greatest composers and writers and artists in general can have weak moments in their body of work. Of course weak for MK might have been a high for someone else, sometimes it all comes down to expectations.  Since these things are in reality trivial, art is so personal that in the end we only do this little chit-chat to have a good time and to socialize a bit. with people sharing the same interests. People that we might never have known otherwise. And I am glad we disagree.    
But I still believe that KTGC is a not an MK record, because although it has an excellent production and solid playing and  fabulous artwork it has very few MK in it. I mean even though it is and sounds MK it actually lucks a signature MK depth. The interplay of music, lyrics and playing somehow doesn't work as good and ...
oh it doesn't really matter to explain, I just like it least of all.  

Rollergirl, I always think of the words I use, in order to be able to protect my opinion. I said poor, not bad.  ;D Poor can be beautiful.  :lol But actually I wasn't even going to that direction. But you are obviously never thought that it doesn't matter if a song is good or bad, even if they have a long life like SOS. Some people like it some not so much ;) But if you can find and call "bad"  songs by other musicians, then that would also have to apply to Mk as well. He is human and too close to the music business to always tell the good things from the poor. ;D  All his works have a standard high quality. We just give different name sto the same things.
And last but not least, consider the time spent to listen to other artists. What makes me a MK fan and not an Franz Ferdinand or Beatles fan is the fact that I want to be one. Because I have spent more time listening to the Beatles and FF and Pink Floyd and various other bands than KTGC. Any way there is only a way to solve this, a gun duel in the park. Winner is proven right and loser gets to listen to KTGC for all eternity!
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Love Expresso on November 02, 2011, 01:27:02 PM
After having heard Corned Beef City several times now I must say that this is a song that gets very close to one of the poorest compositions of MK?

LE
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: herlock on November 02, 2011, 01:29:09 PM
The fact that I (or you or even Dusty  ;D) don't like KTGC as much as the other albums doesn't make it a bad album, neither does the fact that all who have voted here (29 people!) don't consider it their favourite.

I knew when I wrote this (MK is not capable of bad songwriting) I was going to get some reactions. I am still expecting a long list of "bad" songs by MK.

They are not bad, or weak, but we don't like them for one reason or another. Big difference. Music is so subjective, somebody's bad gives somebody else ear or brain-orgasms  ;D.
It's hard to find bad songs written by MK; I would say Walk Of Life, but it's probably because of its overcommercialization rather than the song itself.
I find some songs rather dull, especially on the SL album, which is my least favourite: SFSL and All That Matters come to mind; but even on my least favourite album I can find some gems - Postcards from Paraguay is so wonderful.
We should give a grade to the albums rather than just selecting the favourite, the ranking would be rather different I believe -our method is unfair to these albums who are nobody's favourite but would be most people #2...
My rank would be as follows:

1. STP - because I listened to it during wondeful holydays in Bermuda, and it made me believe Dire Straits was back - this is the closest we have to the old sound !
2. TRD - I took some time, but now I really like it a lot - Mark just did what he wanted, free at last from pressure, and it is a nice mix of rockers (WAM) and songs that help me calm down in the evening (A place we used to live). A real treasure.
3. GL - I was so happy when it came out, such a nice summary of Mark's career... I got adicted to Piper to the End, the new Brothers in Arms, and the rytm of Border Reiver.
4. ATRR - Sorry to put it, but to me it is essentially a MK album (10 songs out of 12 are from MK). I really came to like it a lot, I Dug Up a Diamond is a real gem that should be played in MK concert (so nice to have on DVD), Rolling On and the Title track are wonderful...
5. GH - When it came out I was somewhat disappointed, coming after the last DS tour. Still, the title track and Rudiger are among my top favourite songs.
6. KTGC - the one that got bashed so severly by everybody... I still like it a lot. It's calm, different, but not without personality. Punish the Monkey is really nice, and there are other gems as well.
7. SL - Too clinical, dull for my taste. Even the rocker (BLT) is repetitive... As I said I love Postcards, but I had no crush on other songs (although it is still a MK album, i.e. very nice to listen to).






Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Rollergirl on November 02, 2011, 01:32:18 PM
But if you can find and call "bad"  songs by other musicians, then that would also have to apply to Mk as well.

Well, that's the thing you see, I don't. I don't have the arrogance to dismiss something somebody has put his/her heart into as bad just because I don't like it.

And it really gets me going when others do (as you are finding out now  ;D).
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: superval99 on November 02, 2011, 01:57:57 PM
After having heard Corned Beef City several times now I must say that this is a song that gets very close to one of the poorest compositions of MK?

LE

Yes, I feel pretty much the same.  It's one of those songs that get trapped in the brain and it's stuck there for what seems an eternity!  ::)   I really hope it's not on the new album, but, there again, lots of people are sure to love it and that's fine for them - who am I to say they're wrong!  ;)
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Love Expresso on November 02, 2011, 02:12:14 PM
The same here. While I think Haul Away and Privateering are two real MUSTS for the new album, Corned Beef City could be a very nice b-side/bonus track what ever. But maybe it will sound a little different on the album, who knows.

I heard one of the last recordings and they already changed the first seconds of CBC, the intro is now played in a different way. And in Oberhausen Mark added some
new singing into the chorus of Privateering which I liked a lot. (no words, just a little hooo hoooo yeaaaah yeaaaah if you know what I mean).

I heard an interview with Nick Lowe about his new album The Old Magic, and there he was saying that he had played two of the new songs in front of US audiences BEFORE recording and the resonance was so great that on the one hand he immediately decided to put them on the album but on the other he knew that he would never nail them exactly the same way that he did when this great response was received.
Therefore I hope that MK doesn't get bored with these songs and will put them onto the new album... But the difference is of course that MK already has recorded theses songs after all we know...

After all, an album called PRIVATEERING should have a track on it with the same name, shouldn't it...  :lol

LE
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: vgonis on November 02, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
But if you can find and call "bad"  songs by other musicians, then that would also have to apply to Mk as well.

Well, that's the thing you see, I don't. I don't have the arrogance to dismiss something somebody has put his/her heart into as bad just because I don't like it.

And it really gets me going when others do (as you are finding out now  ;D).

I guess we can't get either philosophical or funny about some things. But to express an opinion for songs doesn't have to come even close to philosophy but it surely can and should be funny, due to the triviality of it. The musicians that put out their songs have the right to protect them but the audience has also the right to express an opinion.  But you have proven me wrong, and since I've committed both  high treason and blasphemy of not saying good things about KTGC, I will cease to exist as a fan, banished to the outer space where the only music I can listen to is music made from the mind, and not from the heart, music that sometimes even the composers disowned. And mind you there is plenty of such music out, but some of it has the merit to disguise itself perfectly, in music from the heart. And since this mind music is out there I might as well tell my opinion about it, I have already payed my dept for my arrogance towards the music coming from the heart. And I have put the remains of my heart into this opinion so do not dismiss it.Never mind... here comes the Sex Pistols.   :-X
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Rollergirl on November 02, 2011, 02:45:55 PM
now now VGONIS, not need to get your knickers into a twist over this. Of course you have a right to express an opinion about anything for all I care. What annoys me is when people say "bad" when they mean "I don't like", that's all.
But ignore me, most people here do when I get started on this, which is regularly  ;D
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: vgonis on November 02, 2011, 04:28:55 PM
Rollergirl, it's been long since I lost my knickers, in order to avoid further twists and tumbles. It is almost fun to discuss semantics about the words used in order to form an opinion. Anyway an opinion of a single person is always subjective, so when somebody says "bad", he/she usually means I don't like. Especially when it comes down to art. But I didn't say bad, I said poor.  ( It surely sounds poor, repeating it here).
 
Now,  If you just didn't like my opinion, that shouldn't upset you. A bad opinion could have upset you, but hey, it is not like this MK trivia-opinion would affect the way of the world. So can there be a bad opinion, for such matters?   

Now if you'd like we can get to the bottom of it. All things that present themselves as art, are not actually art. As a matter of fact the holy mystery of art is so covered up with theories that make the actual work of art hard to place into context. Now, if a musician writes something from the heart, stomach, mind or  pelvis, it's all the same to me, as long as it stands tall without need of crutches, marketing, names or other paraphernalia. There is lots of music that doesn't do the trick for me but does to others. I can accept that there are certain qualities even if I can't get the music, but I can also accept that there is a lot of crappy music around, some of it make it to the charts, without any obvious reason. The fact that I can not pin point any crappy music right now, is because we have to set the bounds of what might be considered crappy music. For me mainly it is the sense that it has been a waste of time to even listen to it.

Actually, I see no reason in pursuing this any further, since it is better to listen to KTGC, instead. That would teach me some manners.
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Rollergirl on November 02, 2011, 04:47:24 PM
yes, I suggest you do, at least 5 times, that will be punishment enough!  ;D
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: vgonis on November 02, 2011, 04:54:50 PM
cheers. :D
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Rollergirl on November 02, 2011, 04:58:54 PM
where did you get that picture of me and my sister? (I am the one on the right, the good looking one)
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: goldenheart96 on November 02, 2011, 05:07:44 PM

If "Alchemy" is badly recorded, I prefer a badly recorded live album any time!  ;D

LE

Absolutely agree!!  ;D
There is nothing better than letting the Alchemy version of "Tunnel Of Love" blasting on your car stereo while driving along the highway. Always gives me shivers. I barely listen to "On The Night", it sounds too polished and soul-less to me, apart from "Brothers In Arms" maybe...
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: vgonis on November 02, 2011, 05:12:14 PM
where did you get that picture of me and my sister? (I am the one on the right, the good looking one)
So we've met? I asked the phone number of the ladies, disguised as an old grumpy geezer. You were the pretty one,I'll give you a call sometime!
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Jules on November 02, 2011, 05:20:00 PM
Kill to get crimson... I
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Pyroaction on November 02, 2011, 06:53:39 PM
I like KTGC very much, except maybe "True love will never fade" and "The Fizzy And The Still".
But "Punish The Monkey", "Let It All Go", "Behind With The Rent" and "Madam's Geneva" are awesome IMO.

I think this album is not made for a tour. Too soft, too intimate.
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: dustyvalentino on November 02, 2011, 10:11:40 PM
Well all of this is just opinion and I agree, the songwriting on KTGC is below par for MK.

Scaffolders Wife, Fizzy and the Still and Let It All Go are OK. True Love was improved live by John. The rest are very poor by MK's admittedly high standards. In The Sky is the only MK song I just can't listen to, it's just awful.
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Jules on November 02, 2011, 11:19:20 PM
Mmmm, In the sky is really one of my favourites, maybe its because I dont get the meaning of the song, maybe its because I like Phil Collins...

 ;)
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: goldenheart96 on November 02, 2011, 11:29:43 PM
What annoys me the most about KTGC is that horrible Hank Marvin "twang twang" guitar sound. It really hurts my ears!
I cannot stand "True Love Will Never Fade", it's just such a dull, boring song with clich
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Rollergirl on November 03, 2011, 07:39:18 AM
my favourite on KTGC is Madame Geneva. I would love to hear that one live one day!
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: superval99 on November 03, 2011, 08:12:58 AM
One of my favourites from the album is "We Can Get Wild" - it has such a feel of the 50's - Billy Fury, DA haircuts, etc and I love MK's voice on this song.  Also I really like "True Love Will Never Fade" but only played live - love the cittern!
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: vgonis on November 03, 2011, 08:30:02 AM
Rollergirl, you have two standards, i see. Dusty said the word "awful" and Goldenheart went as far as "annoys", "horrible" "hurts my ears" "dull" "boring" "dreadful" "uninspiring" "average" and the worse of all "don't really listen to it that much". I think a good spanking is in order. Where are you now, elder (yet cute) keeper of the holy MK (KTGC) faith? Don't let us down in this holy war against the filthy unbelievers. This crusade should produce results. Maybe we can even persuade MK to make another KTGC tour, playing live the whole album, in order to punish the unbelievers.  But as they say any publicity is good publicity. If it wasn't for us, exchanging posts, nobody would even consider thinking about KTGC, or so much as writing about it. Maybe we even managed to make some people go to their CDs racks and pick it up. Yet, It would take a very vivid imagination to consider that somebody went as far as listening to it.  ;D    
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Fletch on November 03, 2011, 08:32:53 AM
I'm still waiting for these newbie Bob fans to give us their honest first impressions. Come on folks, speak freely...
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: border_reiver on November 03, 2011, 08:35:01 AM
The only positive thing about KTGC was that we got another tour.

There, I said it  ;D
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Rollergirl on November 03, 2011, 08:38:48 AM
Rollergirl, you have two standards, i see. Dusty said the word "awful" and Goldenheart went as far as "annoys", "horrible" "hurts my ears" "dull" "boring" "dreadful" "uninspiring" "average" and the worse of all "don't really listen to it that much". I think a good spanking is in order. Were are you now, elder (yet cute) keeper of the holy MK (KTGC) faith? Don't let us down in this holy war against the filthy unbelievers. This crusade should produce results. Maybe we can even persuade MK to make another KTGC tour, playing live the whole album, in order to punish the unbelievers.  But as they say any publicity is good publicity. If it wasn't for us, exchanging posts, nobody would even consider thinking about KTGC, or so much as writing. Maybe we even managed to make some people go to their CDs and pick it up. It would take a very vivid imagination to even consider that somebody went as far as listening to it.  ;D     

It's because Dusty and Goldenheart have already been told off for use of improper language in the past and lightning doesn't strike twice  ;)


Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: Tally on November 03, 2011, 12:21:11 PM
I would never put on KTGC and listen to it from start to finish. Some songs, especially We Can Get Wild, have nice melodies, but it's just too slow, the lyrics are, as you say, clich
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: DIFFICULTTOBELIEVE on November 03, 2011, 12:32:47 PM
What about all these great soundtracks too ???
Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: ds1984 on November 03, 2011, 08:17:58 PM

If "Alchemy" is badly recorded, I prefer a badly recorded live album any time!  ;D

LE

Absolutely agree!!  ;D
There is nothing better than letting the Alchemy version of "Tunnel Of Love" blasting on your car stereo while driving along the highway. Always gives me shivers. I barely listen to "On The Night", it sounds too polished and soul-less to me, apart from "Brothers In Arms" maybe...

OTN does reflect the OES tour : a big machine with an overcrowded stage but it has its moments. And more f*cking badly, is lacking the best parts performed during that tour (such as Why Worry). If only I could acces all the tapes and do it my way!



Title: Re: The Solo albums - which is your fave?
Post by: sweetsurrender on November 04, 2011, 05:39:13 AM
It's a hard choice between GH and TRPD.  I ended up voted for TRPD.  Because HFB is my most fav MK solo song. 

GH is simply the most romantic love song for me from GH album . It's in the same vein as R&J during DS years.