A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: allen on September 16, 2008, 05:50:31 PM
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As some of you can see, I'm keeping seeding shows one by one, but I feel uncomfortable day by day or even guilty. The reasons are below.
1. Due to my share, some fans have less and less stuff to share, it's really tough for them to raise their ratio.
2. Due to my share, some fans of parcel traders have less and less stuff to trade, do they want to knock into my door and unplug my pc?
I need your voices to guide me, please. :(
Wishes
Allen
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Um, no, I think you are very popular Allen, don't worry.
If other "fans" want to seed the shows to improve their ratio then they should do so! Nothing stopping them.
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Oh, and parcel trading is just dying out due to the technology. Personally I think it's a great thing, I hate to think how much I spent on postage and blank discs over the years.
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Allen, there should be no concerns about ratios. The best thing users can do is download and make sure once it is completed is to keep seeding it. If you were really concerned you could stop seeding once several people have completed and let them do the contributing.
I agree with dusty, I think downloads/uploads is the way forward.
Keep up the good work Allen, stop worrying :)
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I agree. Postage is so expensive these days, so I personally prefer to download/upload. :) BTW You certainly don't annoy me Allen! ;)
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Oh, and parcel trading is just dying out due to the technology. Personally I think it's a great thing, I hate to think how much I spent on postage and blank discs over the years.
Yes, but a snail mail trades are a lot more personal. I don't like torrents because then you are just "seeding" out information to faceless people. It's very impersonal. There are actually some bands that allow taping and trading of their shows, but specifically not torrents for this reason.
Also, the fact that the new MK policy claims that "audio is OK", but does not detail anything about what should happen to these recordings after the show is over is stange. Are torrents actually "allowed" (note the quotes)? Sometimes I wonder if PC even knows what a torrent is.
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Personal or not, it's still cheaper and convenient and it works well enough for me. I realise, though, that some people are unable to download/upload and so mailing is the answer for them and I am still very grateful for those people who have sent me discs in the past. :)
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it's still cheaper and convenient
So, does that make it better? :P
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All I am saying is it works well for me! ;D
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...and actually, a better question is "should it be more convenient?" I don't know about that...
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I don't see why not. A torrent can reach a lot more people than by post and I have no qualms about whether they are faceless or not. It is great that MK's music can be spread far and wide, but I have nothing against postage for those who have no access to torrents, or are unable to use them - I am always happy to send discs to those people as I was grateful to you, Dan, and others like you in the past who sent me discs by post. :)
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Sure, I understand. What I meant is that if the actual recording is coming to you pratically "free of charge"- should it also be given to you in the fastest and most convenient way?
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By the way Allen, you certainly don't annoy me. I did just "hijack" this thread though..whoops... :P
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I think Dan and I talked about this many months ago via email. I appreciate the quickness and mass distribution of a torrent, but, like Dan, I love getting to know a fellow trader personally. I still parcel trade with two or three people, one we all know very well. And the occasional one for one trade is quick and satisfying. I have a couple of friends who are not computer literate, and who have slow internet. So I have parcel traded with them several times.
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Of course I don't feel annoyed either Allen! ;D It is great that people share information. At the tracker, Dime or Hub or by sending each other DVD's/CD's, as long as we are able to share the music of Mark I don't mind.
I am a member of the Spanish tracker and MKHub too, BUT still after the wonderful help of Pottel and his patient (TY for that :-*), I don't know much about the things I have or need to do! ??? My sons are every evening behind their computers too and play competition games. It is hard for me to download then and because I have a very old computer, I don't want to let it run in the night or during the day when I am away! ;)
After the first concert in Amsterdam this year, I tried to get ratio at the tracker, BUT that didn't work. I had the feeling I was every time too late and the connection was very, very slow. The Amsterdam concert took days to download! :o I still don't have much ratio there and I don't dare to use it anymore, because I don
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it's still cheaper and convenient
So, does that make it better? :P
As far as I'm concerned, yes. Let's face facts, posting discs to someone in another country that you have never met is still "faceless". The interaction happens online/through emails etc setting up the deal.
Now for me, I would say I've made plenty of good friends in the MK community without actually trading with them, just through interacting with them on sites like this.
You know, here in Scotland about 80,000 people (out of a population of 5 million) speak the Gaelic language. The number is diminishing every year, but the government and lobby groups are intent on trying to force it to survive, throwing money at it, forcing schools to teach it etc. But I fear their efforts will be in vain. And I think that attempts to retain postage trading will be the same, whether or not it's right or wrong, I don't know, but it's "progress". A small group may continue to post, but for most people why wait days/weeks for something when they can download and have it in a couple of hours?
Anyhoo, none of this should have any bearing on Allen uploading to the tracker IMO. :)
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just don't overload with stuff, give people time to breathe, and enjoy the new show they jut had.
also, to not give you the feeling you are not sharing enough if you would follow my first advice, just spread it over other trackers, bt.etree, zombtracker, hungercity, tapecity, traders den, dimeadozen, yeeshkul, there are so many, and keep the nicer stuff for SC.... wold be my advice. i share on many, many trackers (not only, mk, but a lot!) so i feel like spreading the mk love not just to us mk nuts, but also getting new people falling in love, that is a great feeling, if you can get fans from other artists commenting on how great our hero is...
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it's still cheaper and convenient
So, does that make it better? :P
As far as I'm concerned, yes. Let's face facts, posting discs to someone in another country that you have never met is still "faceless". The interaction happens online/through emails etc setting up the deal.
Yes, this is true to some extent. But you still exchange something physical and exchanging mailing addresses is very personal to me. You know exactly who you are sending the media to. Whereas, I could program a server to download someone's torrent and be completely uninvolved in the process, outside of registering a mere account on the main page.
That said, I have downloaded and uploaded new torrents to trackers in the past and will probably do so in the future...just for the sake of taking advantage of the technology.
There is still nothing about torrents being "allowed" in the official MK recording policy though. 8)
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There is still nothing about torrents being "allowed" in the official MK recording policy though. 8)
Um, that's true. But there's also nothing about CDs/DVDs, vinyl, 8 track tapes or semaphore. So what's your point, caller? ;)
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There is still nothing about torrents being "allowed" in the official MK recording policy though. 8)
Um, that's true. But there's also nothing about CDs/DVDs, vinyl, 8 track tapes or semaphore. So what's your point, caller? ;)
Well, typically you would find that kind of information in the recording policy, or at least some limits to the distribution of the taper's recording. That means they either don't care (which wouldn't make sense) or they just don't know.
If someone was brand new to all of this, and read the new policy, what would they think is allowed or not allowed in terms of distribution?
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That means they either don't care (which wouldn't make sense) or they just don't know.
Personally I think they don't care, as long as people aren't actually selling the bootlegs.