A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: twm on May 29, 2012, 12:31:20 PM
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I thought it might be sensible to start a new topic on this, as the first rumoured details have begun to appear.
This is from Bill Pagel's website:
November, 2012, Fall Tour--
Upper Midwest and East Coast
With Mark Knopfler
Tour in Upper Midwest moving on to the East Coast
Possible shows in Nebraska, Minneapolis, Madison, Milwaukee and Chicago
Unconfirmed
* Unconfirmed dates represent shows that are under consideration
by management. In most cases, contracts for these shows have not been
signed, and they may or may not happen.
I've known Bill for many years, though our contact these days is intermittent, and he has a well-deserved reputation for supplying accurate information on Dylan tours. Take note particularly of the explanation of "unconfirmed."
There's nothing about shows in October but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see dates in the southern states and on the West Coast around then - but that's just guesswork on my part. Based on what Bill has said, I'd also suggest that the tour will end in New York with shows in the days just before Thanksgiving, which is 29 November this year.
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That's truly awesome! I love the idea of Bob and Mark doing a double package again - I know many people don't, but I think the mutual respect between these two geniuses is a beautiful thing! *insert love smiley*
It also throws a vague hope of a tour in Australia, because Bob is known to do this sort of reckless act!
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Based on what Bill has said, I'd also suggest that the tour will end in New York with shows in the days just before Thanksgiving, which is 29 November this year.
I'd go for that too.
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Interesting to see: Will it be another double header tour with Mark's complete band or will Mark just play on stage with Bob for a few songs and travels with him without his band...
LE
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Interesting...
Lets see hot it develops...
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My understanding is that both bands will be involved in the tour, not BD and MK with MK's band, nor MK and BD with BD's band. It will be, I would hazard, the same as last time, in that both will play their own sets. I say this based on who told me what, way back last November, wehn this whole thing was first hatched.
The more interesting question, I would suggest, is whether this will be a genuine joint tour. Last time, it was a Bob which Mark was invited to join. This time, it is a tour that was initiated jointly. Maybe (just maybe) they will swap around who will provide the closing act. Time will tell.
That said, it has been intimated to me that it is Dylan touring team who have been making the basic plans for the tour. Tis is presumably because it's home territory for them and, because Dylan plays the USA more frequently than Mark, they would tend to seek to avoid visiting places too soon after the last time.
The other interesting things to watch out for are what sort of venues they play, in particular how large, and what sort of towns and cities. Dylan has a preference for going to new places on each successive tour (which is progressively more difficult as he continues to perform so many shows) but I suspect (and this is no more than a suspicion on my part) that this will be a fairly major event for both principals. Each will hope to feed off the other, as it were, in terms of attracting wider and larger audiences.
I wonder if the PR will dare talk about the giant of the Sixties combining with the giant of the Eighties or any such nonsense - actually, I think flim-flam would be a better noun, since both have produced such excellent work well beyond their initial success and prominence (and sometimes together, too).
Again, I await further news with both anticipation and inquisitiveness.
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hope many of the regular tapers will join again, i'm thinking Soomlos, Bach, Schubert, Spot, Travlin man, etc...gonna be contacting them this weekend to ask them to def. tape both acts, as pretty much happened last fall.
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IMHO Mark nowadays is not that successful in the US. I mean in Europe you could add a great number of MK fan to the BD fans that bought ticket. In the US I guess a vast majority will be in the house attracted by Bob.
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not sure of that, bob is not performing in the huges arenas that they shared in europe last fall either, it's mostly ballparks and the like. look at the theatres mark performed in in 2008 and 2010, similar to the regular bob indoor shows as well. i say they are both on a similar level in the us (venue wise)
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I was not saying that they will play large venues nor that they ought to play large venues - and nor that I want them to play large venues.
I was only saying that it will be interesting to see whether, by performing on the same bill, their managements think that they will be able to justify those larger venues.
Dylan playing ballparks had two important features. Firstly, they were multi-artist bills. Secondly, they were smaller ballparks for the most part, with Dylan and the other performers playing to smaller audiences than the major league stadiums can hold and, also, supporting the minor league baseball teams.
Personally, I hope that they play smaller places - almost the smaller the better for me - but it will be down to the economics (outlay at risk versus likely returns).
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I was not saying that they will play large venues nor that they ought to play large venues - and nor that I want them to play large venues.
I was only saying that it will be interesting to see whether, by performing on the same bill, their managements think that they will be able to justify those larger venues.
Dylan playing ballparks had two important features. Firstly, they were multi-artist bills. Secondly, they were smaller ballparks for the most part, with Dylan and the other performers playing to smaller audiences than the major league stadiums can hold and, also, supporting the minor league baseball teams.
Personally, I hope that they play smaller places - almost the smaller the better for me - but it will be down to the economics (outlay at risk versus likely returns).
funny that you feel addressed, as i was actually refering to ds1984...
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I think I started the question of venue size in this thread and I just wanted it be clear what I meant when I first mentioned it.
Me, I'd be happy for them to play some small club somewhere - assuming we could get in, that is - somewhere we could see the whites of their eyes.
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Based on what Bill has said, I'd also suggest that the tour will end in New York with shows in the days just before Thanksgiving, which is 29 November this year.
That would be a great idea. If there are 2 or 3 shows in NY , maybe it's worth setting up something. ;)
I just saw the new fabulous MK covert art. Thanks God, he got rid of Salvador Lavado's awful "art"works.
That really boosts me up. Things have changed.
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Based on what Bill has said, I'd also suggest that the tour will end in New York with shows in the days just before Thanksgiving, which is 29 November this year.
That would be a great idea. If there are 2 or 3 shows in NY , maybe it's worth setting up something. ;)
I just saw the new fabulous MK covert art. Thanks God, he got rid of Salvador Lavado's awful "art"works.
That really boosts me up. Things have changed.
Actually Salvador Lavado said on May15th in his twitter that he was working with Mark Knopfler again...
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yeah, jbaent, I read that, too. I wonder however how much "art" someone would see in this new album cover - the image itself is it more or less. It's only a question of where and how to put the font. And while I like the black "Privateering", the only thing to think about is why the artist's name is so decent in the lower corner...
So I think Mark has a lot of influence when it comes to chosing the right picture. The artists (Salvador or whoever) just have to show him some "dummies" and Mark chooses which one he likes best.
I have it as a screensaver since yesterday and I like it a lot. It grows on me and I am sure there is an interesting story behind it.
LE
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It's definitely a lot more than a clapped-out van with a wheel missing! ;) I find it very interesting and the more I look the more I see! :)
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Within the first few minutes I saw it I thought about the London riots, because of the burning drum. But then somehow the pile of wheels made me thinking that this is about something else...
LE
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Well, its important in a picture the composition of all the elements, and here thats what you have, a composition of elements...
I still see more of "Corneed beef city" than from "Privateering"
And I dont like at all the black font used for Privateering, it breaks the composition of colours in the cover, it that was Salvador, I
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And I dont like at all the black font used for Privateering, it breaks the composition of colours in the cover, it that was Salvador, I
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And I dont like at all the black font used for Privateering, it breaks the composition of colours in the cover, it that was Salvador, I
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jbaent, you are so greedy :D
A double ain't enough, Sir?
LE
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jbaent, you are so greedy :D
A double ain't enough, Sir?
LE
I hope its not too much ;D
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The ticket prices are going to be insane for this if it happens. I remember a couple of years back Bob Dylan played a few shows at the United Palace Theater in NY, the same place MK played in 2010, and I think the cheapest seats were about $150? I can't even imagine what it will be with the addition of MK. The promoters/Ticketbastard love to price gouge for big name type shows and they will definitely take advantage of this.
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The ticket prices are going to be insane for this if it happens. I remember a couple of years back Bob Dylan played a few shows at the United Palace Theater in NY, the same place MK played in 2010, and I think the cheapest seats were about $150? I can't even imagine what it will be with the addition of MK. The promoters/Ticketbastard love to price gouge for big name type shows and they will definitely take advantage of this.
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Those United Palace Theater shows were at the end of a Fall tour in November 2009 but Dylan did have a second act on the bill, as I recall. I believe it was Dion and I only wish i could have attended even one of them. I have Dion & The Belmonts on a years-old LP and also, on 45s and CD, the terrific stuff Dion did with Phil Spector in the producer's chair - "Make The Woman Love Me" springs to mind.
As for the ticket prices, I was surprised to read that the cheapest seats were US$150. I assume that the US$150 was the total cost (including all the fees and charges that seem to apply these days) and that is about UK
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You must have been ripped off, Dan. I've just checked the "dylanstubs" website and they have one ticket shown for each night. All three tickets cost the same:- US$89.00 plus US$11.50 (presumably New York sales tax). Anyway the basic cost was just over US$100 per ticket (or about UK
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My wife just got a couple of theatre tickets for something in London. She got a deal but the regular price for these is
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I didn't attend, twm. I just remember seeing some prices on TM's website. However, as it turns out, it was my MK ticket from 2010 at the United Palace Theater that was $150 (160 with fees). That was front row though. Hopefully, with Dylan, it won't be that much more. ::) I know most people will say you can't assign a dollar amount to art, and I agree, but when prices get to be absurdly high you have to draw the line somewhere. That money isn't going back to the artist anyway.
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You must have been ripped off, Dan. I've just checked the "dylanstubs" website and they have one ticket shown for each night. All three tickets cost the same:- US$89.00 plus US$11.50 (presumably New York sales tax). Anyway the basic cost was just over US$100 per ticket (or about UK
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theatre is spelt theatre, like metre and centre. Nothing strange about that.
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should be theater. damn you native speakers!
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maybe it should be kernopfler
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that makes no sense whatsoever Banjo? ::) ??? ::)
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Banajo?
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my aim is to reach 4500 posts tonight....
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Well Pottel, start guessing about the format of the fall 2012 tour, then the setlist, and little by little, you will reach it!
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Pottel it makes no sense like the English language can make no sense. The K in Knopfler is sometimes said and sometimes silent. The Americans hate the way the English spell. Its just fun variations of language.
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"Theatre" is a novel by W. Somerset Maugham. Never read it.
LE
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listening to Forever Young from my first Dylan show (D
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Gee, just come back in. I didn't mean to start any kind if linguistic war. Pottel is allowed because that's part of his nation's DNA but the rest can't take part.
I merely intended to point out that, while many sources (including the Wiki entry) say United palace Theater, the tickets say "United Palace Theatre". In the States, some venues are called "theatre" and some are called "theater". There doesn't appear to be any logic to which is used. Probably some historical quirk in each individual case.
Anyway, maybe a little jousting might be in order.
In English-English, we call that basic unit of measurement, a "metre". Our children think in terms of metres, centimetres and kilometres but I'm old-fashioned. Kilometres I can handle but the rest I have to calculate and often get wrong. We also use "metre" to describe the "beat" of the words in a poem, especially when read aloud. For those of us in Britain, a "meter" is a device for measuring things, as in gas meter, water meter, parking meter. My dictionary, however, does say that "meter" is the American spelling of "metre". My dictionary also says: "theatre (U.S. theater)".
By the way, the definition of a "metre" has changed over the years. It started as one-tenmillioth of the distance between the pole and the equator, which had some basis in the real world. It then became the diistance between two marks on some chunk of metal in Paris, which did not, but no longer applies. I think it is now measured according to the wavelength of some kind of krypton atom. That sounds like Superman decides the length of a metre to me but at least has some basis in the real world, even if it's not the real world as you and I know it. In Britain, we passed an Act of Parliament in 1963 saying that 1 yard equals 0.9144 of a metre, so we're little better than anyone else.
Those Americans may debase*/enrich* our language (*delete one word as suits you) but at least they keep to measurements I can understand - except their gallons are smaller than ours, dammit.
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listening to Privateering on youtube in Antwerp by 3844mario. MKs voice fantastic.
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TWM, try buying a pint of beer in America.
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always thought that Theatre was the US and Theater the UK way.
anyway, am spreading my wings and asking all tapers i know whether or notthey will follow the fall tour and if so, whether they would be so kind to tape MK's set as well, this worked really well last tour.
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Good on you Pottel
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Cheers,
might be the only way to get some decent recordings... Last time there was not too much good material from MK 2010 in the US if I remember it right...
LE
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Wonderful :)
I posted this in the 2011 section as well :) :lol
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like your avatar shooting star, who are they?
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like your avatar shooting star, who are they?
Just one post Pottel and you will get to the magic number ;D
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No man, not me, not doing it damnit!! :disbelief
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Best post ever TWM. I can't stand when Americans start stealing our language then start changing it and use their manipulation of the world media (including films/movies) to make it their own. Same goes for the date thing; dd/mm/yyyy if you please.
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The Angles, Saxons and Jutes can't stand when Britts start stealing their language then start changing it and use their manipulation of the old world media (including manuscripts/plays) to make it their own. :lol
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Best post ever TWM. I can't stand when Americans start stealing our language then start changing it and use their manipulation of the world media (including films/movies) to make it their own. Same goes for the date thing; dd/mm/yyyy if you please.
We declared our independence in 1776. Are you guys still bitter about it? ;D
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You did indeed, Dan, but please don't get me on the subject of your early history. As with so many early histories (ours included), there are myths and half-truths and small historical acts that are blown out of proportion. There were spin doctors, then, too. I have been to Jamestown, and to Monticello and Mount Vernon, I have visited Congress, I've been round the White House, I have visited your Supreme Court. I have even been round Benjamin Franklin's house in London. Years ago, I spent a whole summer in New England.
As for the English Language, it is a mongrel beast but something quite wondrous in my view. The English language is a fusion of source langauges. It is eminently flexible. It absorbs, borrows, invents and steals with little regard for life's niceties. It is a higgledy-piggledy language. Within these relatively small islands, there is a myriad of dialects, different turns of phrase, local words that don't travel far (fewer of any of these than there one were) and I haven't even begun to consider regional accents and the effect those have on words, word usage and sentence construction. To quote Melvyn Bragg at the start of"The Adventure of English"The way in which a few tribal amd local germanic dialects spoken by a hundred and fifty thousand people grew into the English Language spoken and understood by about one and a half billion people has all the charateristics of a tremendous adventure". For us in Britain, American English, however pervasive through commerce, modern technology and the media, is but one branch of a language rooted in these isles.
And, anyway (as I wrote in the Millennium issue of a Dylan newsletter I once put out) who knows whether English will continue to be the predominant language amongst the peoples of the United States?
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When studing english I was teach that Theater and Theatre was exactly the same, but for british and US english...
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When studing english I was teach that Theater and Theatre was exactly the same, but for british and US english...
exactly what i heard as well....
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"Theatre" is the spelling that is used in Britain, without exception to the best of my knowledge. I have referred to "The London Theatre Scene - Seating plans" (5th edition, 1993, as published and produced by Frank Cook Publictions) and there is not a single theatre listed that does not use the spelling "theatre".
"Theater" is American English, although some theatres in the United States do use the spelling "theatre" in their names.
In Canada, "theatre" is much more common. In fact, I can't think of a theatre in Canada that uses the "theater" spelling (see: http://www.theatrecanada.com/index.shtml) but I guess there may be a few here or there.
Dylan Thomas, referring to eminent Brits engaged on lecture tours of the United States, commented about them being "up against the barrier of a common language". The wording may have been his but the concept is much older. The phrase most commonly applied is, "two nations divided only by a common language", though it has proved very difficult, not to say impossible, to pin down who first said this. Oscar Wilde did express the idea but not in those words. Anyway, I'm sure you'll get the idea.
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The phrase most commonly applied is, "two nations divided only by a common language", though it has proved very difficult, not to say impossible, to pin down who first said this. Oscar Wilde did express the idea but not in those words. Anwyay, I'm sure you'll get the idea.
This phrase came to mind when I read one of the tracks on the new album "I Used To Could", but I couldn't remember who said it. Thanks, twm for reminding me! ;)
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Hope to have some new News Monday :)
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Hope to have some new News Monday :)
Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat!!!!
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Hope to have some new News Monday :)
Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat!!!!
greatre!
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Hope to have some new News Monday :)
Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat!!!!
greatre!
Even Greater (US english)
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It's an evolving language, that's what's so fascinating about it. No point worrying about what's right and wrong, it changes all the time.
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Looks like Guy is already confirming this tour "not denying it"
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Hope to have some new News Monday :)
Well, wednesday.
Any news?
:)
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Next Monday or the Monday after. ???
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Nothing yet.
We continue to wait :(
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Ingo has said its official on his fb page ???
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Ingo has said its official on his fb page ???
Could you post what it said on here? :)
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http://www.vintagevinylnews.com/2012/06/first-dates-for-bob-dylan-mark-knopfler.html (http://www.vintagevinylnews.com/2012/06/first-dates-for-bob-dylan-mark-knopfler.html)
US and Canadian dates starting in August have been announced.
•08/10 - Lloydminster, AB - Exhibition Grounds
•08/11 - Lethbridge, AB - Enmax Center
•08/12 - Cranbrook, BC - RecPlex
•08/14 - Missoula, MO - Big Sky Brewery
•08/17 - Rapid City, SD - Barnett Arena
•08/18 - Sioux Falls, SD - Sioux Falls Arena
•08/19 - Fargo, ND - Fargo Civic Center
•08/24 - Fort Wayne, IN - Parkview Field
•08/25 - Indianapolis, IN - White River State Park
•08/28 - Youngstown, OH - Covelli Centre
•08/29 - Johnstown, PA - Cambria County War Memorial
•09/01 - Big Flats, NY - Tag’s Summer Stage
EDIT: Bob Dylan site makes reference to all this datos, also mentions that tickets selling starts om june 22nd but no reference to MK there...
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On fb via Mk_guitar_com on twitter... "In autumn Mark will go on a tour again with Bob Dylan, this time through parts of the US"
I asked where the info came from but no reply.
Ingo has said its official on his fb page ???
Could you post what it said on here? :)
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If only I wasnt married with 1 and a half kids I think I would have gone over the pond to see a gig.
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Well, thats not official but all of us we know its true...
And its only official when official sources says... but it doesnt mean anything more than that ;D
We know ;)
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If only I wasnt married with 1 and a half kids I think I would have gone over the pond to see a gig.
If you had more kids, maybe even just a half more, you'd feel the need to escape. ;)
This is how it works for me. ::)
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If only I wasnt married with 1 and a half kids I think I would have gone over the pond to see a gig.
If you had more kids, maybe even just a half more, you'd feel the need to escape. ;)
This is how it works for me. ::)
Both of you are encouraging me to have kids...
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I don't believe those August dates involve MK. Still reckoning on October and November for those. If I had to guess, I'd go for BD finishing this summer tour around the beginning of September, taking a break of about a month and starting up with MK around early October - give or take a week or so in each element. That's just my idea, based on my experience of BD's touring in the past and what I picked up from contacts following their last tour together. I could be wrong.
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But if it were to be with mark, it would be the first time he ever played in those cities, typical bob tour cities, but mark? Interesting
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That announcement makes sense.
Mk and bob will do together an e
ast / west coast trip. More or less mark's usual
Like they did in europe
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I don't believe those August dates involve MK.
Yeah, I agree. There are probably more cows and horses in Big Flats, NY than there are MK fans.
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Guy has confirmed on his forum that Mark will be touring with Bob during October/November, so that would tend to suggest that these August/September dates are just Bob Dylan gigs.
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Very clever MK this time.
September new album.
October/November US and Canada tour.
Break.
Then start only a big European Tour April til July.
No US/Canada solo tour next year.
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why no US tour next year Steinei? not read that anywhere.
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Our US buddies deserve their real tour, especially Southern States ;D
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Guy has confirmed on his forum that Mark will be touring with Bob during October/November, so that would tend to suggest that these August/September dates are just Bob Dylan gigs.
That would allow promo stuff for the album to be done. Oh goodie! ;D
Of course no rehearsals with Bob for playing on his songs again so more basic strumming along. MK wasted again on Bob's set. ::)
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It will be really interesting to see what songs he puts on this time. I guess that we have to wait till the "real" tour for more Privateering tunes, but let's hope it's a bit different from last year.
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Same setlist, same length, same involvement in Bob's set suits me very fine. ;D
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why no US tour next year Steinei? not read that anywhere.
Only a guess. It makes no sense to tour US/Canada in Oct/Nov 2012 and then again Apr 2012...
MK isn't that popular in the States for that
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Many other articles are talking about the wrong august dates...
http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/News/en-us/bob-dylan-and-mark-knopfler-tour-0618-2012.aspx (http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/News/en-us/bob-dylan-and-mark-knopfler-tour-0618-2012.aspx)
I guess the correct dates will be announced very soon, as far as I remember, the autumm tour 2011 was announced late june /early july...
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why no US tour next year Steinei? not read that anywhere.
Only a guess. It makes no sense to tour US/Canada in Oct/Nov 2012 and then again Apr 2012...
MK isn't that popular in the States for that
And why not tour Europe spring 13 and us in the summer/fall?
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Could also be...
Let's hope for the US fans.
But I think 2 US tours in that short period after each other is too much
He could do Australia instead
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Could also be...
Let's hope for the US fans.
But I think 2 US tours in that short period after each other is too much
He could do Australia instead
I heard that in july they will be playing in Europe, so probably wherever they play besides Europe, must be before, they never extended a tour after the summer...
I also thought about Australia, maybe something like they did during the Shangrila tour, play not only in Australia (and New Zealand) but also in other parts of the world... Maybe South Africa again etc etc, but I agree that doesnt makes sense they go back to the US after they played there with Dylan, US is not MK
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I have noticed that Bob is playing the Hop Farm music festival in Kent on 30th June, I wonder if Mark will be joining him? Also the same day Bob plays, Joan Armatrading is playing, another lady Mark is connected too.
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Mark has to play in the US in 2013 !!! We can't let that not happen. :disbelief
There are far too many devoted fans here too.
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Could also be...
Let's hope for the US fans.
But I think 2 US tours in that short period after each other is too much
He could do Australia instead
I heard that in july they will be playing in Europe, so probably wherever they play besides Europe, must be before, they never extended a tour after the summer...
I also thought about Australia, maybe something like they did during the Shangrila tour, play not only in Australia (and New Zealand) but also in other parts of the world... Maybe South Africa again etc etc, but I agree that doesnt makes sense they go back to the US after they played there with Dylan, US is not MK