A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: ds1984 on August 12, 2012, 09:07:52 PM
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Is someone in the know about current contract with Mercury?
Previous one was a four album plus one compilation (GH->SL).
This time Mark reach the fourth album (ATRR-KTGC-GL-Privateering)
And Privateering being a double album could be a way to end it early...
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I'm sure it's just a formality of extending his contract. PC needs to start earning his money now, what with the tours and contract it's all go!
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As long as he is free to create his music as he wish, I guess the contract with Mercury has been extended.
I recall some artists like Van Morrison ending his contracts to sign with more or less independent labels just to get the freedom to create what he wants, and not what the record company asks him.
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MK is still probably good business, his fans are older and therefore more likely to actually buy a CD, he's not selling 20m anymore but probably at least a million? With few promo costs? So yeah, good business probably, I don't know. :)
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I can't imagine that he would sign a contract with a company that would presume to tell him what to do or how to do it.
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Warner Brothers famously told George Harrison they wouldn't release his new solo album if he didn't drop half the songs!!!
I don't think Mark has ever had that kind of pressure, but sometimes I wish he did! Too many 'yes men' don't always create the bes albums.
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I do not know about millions but if I remember The Ragpickers dream sales in US consist of 186 000 CD.
Warner Bros is actually is not record company for Mark now, just major provides with production (CD, LP print, promotion etc) and distribution under Universal / Mercury license for US market. So if WB does not work with Mark more it means that album is released by Universal Music which is presented in US too. It means (as I understand) that CD will be printed outside of USA and imported and price will not be so good for the local buyers.
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186k to date? and is that good or bad?
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186k to date? and is that good or bad?
In such a big country, I guess its bad.
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Is there info about the other albums as well?
RPD sold really bad, but thinking about MK's so called "album promotion" at Conan O'Brien is it strange that he sold anything at all. ;D
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Is there info about the other albums as well?
RPD sold really bad, but thinking about MK's so called "album promotion" at Conan O'Brien is it strange that he sold anything at all. ;D
Did MK any interview with CoCo?
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186k to date? and is that good or bad?
The statistic from 2004-2005. It's too bad comparing to Sailing To Philadelphia with over 500,000 copies in USA in 2004
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Is there info about the other albums as well?
RPD sold really bad, but thinking about MK's so called "album promotion" at Conan O'Brien is it strange that he sold anything at all. ;D
Did MK any interview with CoCo?
No, but his performance and choice of song (Devil Baby) was everything but good for his sales in US. ;D
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Is there info about the other albums as well?
RPD sold really bad, but thinking about MK's so called "album promotion" at Conan O'Brien is it strange that he sold anything at all. ;D
Did MK any interview with CoCo?
No, but his performance and choice of song (Devil Baby) was everything but good for his sales in US. ;D
That's what happens when you've no longer got Ed Bicknell but got PC in your corner instead.
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Is there info about the other albums as well?
RPD sold really bad, but thinking about MK's so called "album promotion" at Conan O'Brien is it strange that he sold anything at all. ;D
Did MK any interview with CoCo?
No, but his performance and choice of song (Devil Baby) was everything but good for his sales in US. ;D
That's what happens when you've no longer got Ed Bicknell but got PC in your corner instead.
100& agree...
I always say (and I can be wrong, of course) that the difference between Ed and PC managing MK looks like Ed guided MK career, and PC follows MK instructions...
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I can't imagine that he would sign a contract with a company that would presume to tell him what to do or how to do it.
Warner Bros was the company that made MK drop One More Matinee and add Do America for the US version of STP.
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I can't imagine that he would sign a contract with a company that would presume to tell him what to do or how to do it.
Warner Bros was the company that made MK drop One More Matinee and add Do America for the US version of STP.
That was the only change they force him to do, and Warner released many more MK records after that...
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The US was never MK's biggest market, even in DS days.
You guys must be on crack if you think that he would be better off following record company low lifes. He'd be wearing a headband and doing crappy DS knock offs.
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Back to my question : how many albums under the current contract with Mercury?
;D
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Back to my question : how many albums under the current contract with Mercury?
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I bet that MK doesnt know :lol :lol
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Maybe he has no contract with exact number of albums, but an agreement that they will release whatever he gives them.
Of course that has a cost. MK doesn't seem to agree with all these different and expensive editions, so it is not his decision. Secondly, his back catalog (which must be the one still bringing some big money) is used and re-released at company's desire. Of course he had vetoed any extra songs added (and here is a big question about the extra songs in the Super deluxe editions: since you allow these "second" songs at current releases, why not have re-releases with extra songs, from the first 4 albums, that we all know from bootlegs or even official recordings like Twisting by the Pool EP that we still await?I used to understand and appreciate his stance, but after the GL box...)
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Is it futile of me to ask how outtakes like No Wonder He's Confused and Secondary Waltz find the light of day, if no bootlegs of the DS sessions ever have ??
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Is it futile of me to ask how outtakes like No Wonder He's Confused and Secondary Waltz find the light of day, if no bootlegs of the DS sessions ever have ??
Fletch I guess that it is just a matter of coincidence. The Early tapes bootleg has all the first album in the Demo version they've recorded plus some new songs like real girl. (The rest was from Arena documentary 2 years later and other BBC shows). But the Demos were given out to many people, so eventually one of them leaked. But it seems as though MK had complete control of the studio tapes, and we never got to even listen to outtakes. Maybe there aren't any, recorded ones. Maybe he was going down to the studio with the certain songs and did nothing but them. Or like BiA he didn't have all the songs but developed them off studio. The studio time was gold back then and only with proven geniuses they had the tape running all the time. Of course after the success of BiA there weren't many tapes around. Maybe it is not the way he was working. I believe that from the 4-14 takes he would chose the best one and dump all the others. I have read somewhere that when the tension with David lead to his lay off from the band, Mark erased every contribution of David's and re recorded them himself. And it was the difficult multi layered MM! He already had the drums and Bass tracks to work on so he recorded all the guitar parts. I guess there is no point in keeping failed guitar tracks.
But even if that is not the point (I know that there is a demo version of private dancer with MK playing and singing) and as you have so rightly mentioned with the GH sessions, it is only down to luck. I guess now within his own studio, he can have greater control of all the recorded material, so nearly zero chance of anything leaking. I have heard a story but I don't quite remember how the GH outtakes and tracks got out, anyone here remembers?
By the way, have you heard the David Gilmour/Pink Floyd story, were some fans were looking through his garbage, only to find out the remains from the editors floor of unreleased-unused and considered bad live footage with sound, containing (I think ) whole songs? This is not happening now with digital technology and anyway it was a very lucky thing that happens very rarely.
But to tell you the truth, I really can wait for his new work, without any leaks, I can also enjoy his work without looking for the elusive demos, but I would really appreciate and buy something like the Beatles Anthology, with demos, unreleased songs etc. It only took the Beatles 25 years after they officially disbanded, so we have to wait until 2020!
About the contract thing, his publishing company is called Will D. Side. If this is not a clue, I don't know what is.
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and the guy that found those sounboard tapes of the (floyd) ummagumma album is now asking 250k for them and also offered them to the Floyd management who told him to fuck off and threatened to sue him should they ever be released.
of course other tapes came out, remember the On ever street demo's?
would have loved to hear the BIA demo's though.
i know for one that i adore the officially released The wall demo's. it is brilliant to hear those oh so well known songs evolve...
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then there was the story of the divers under Gilmours' houseboat/recording studio trying to tap into the sound created on the boat during the momentary lapse of reason recordings :-)
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and the guy that found those sounboard tapes of the (floyd) ummagumma album is now asking 250k for them and also offered them to the Floyd management who told him to fuck off and threatened to sue him should they ever be released.
of course other tapes came out, remember the On ever street demo's?
would have loved to hear the BIA demo's though.
i know for one that i adore the officially released The wall demo's. it is brilliant to hear those oh so well known songs evolve...
On every street demos? Where, where?
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Is it futile of me to ask how outtakes like No Wonder He's Confused and Secondary Waltz find the light of day, if no bootlegs of the DS sessions ever have ??
From what I've heard there's good reason to believe that a fan (notorious in the 90's, and greedy like a pig about his bootleg collection) - directly or indirectly - paid off a studio technician to get the GH outtakes.
Anyone remember which major fansite ended up posting it first? ;D
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Thank you both Jeroen and Pottel. I have downloaded many great things from this site in the past, but obviously missed this one. Thank you, hopefully it will be downloaded and I will listen to it during the weekend.
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Hi all
just changed my username to JF, but it's always me :)
The Early tapes bootleg has all the first album in the Demo version they've recorded plus some new songs like real girl. (The rest was from Arena documentary 2 years later and other BBC shows). But the Demos were given out to many people, so eventually one of them leaked. But it seems as though MK had complete control of the studio tapes, and we never got to even listen to outtakes. Maybe there aren't any, recorded ones.
there's also the whole Communique album recorded in demo around october/november 1978, in London, before going to Nassau.
it's specified in the Oldfield book.
Wexler or Beckett said something like that :" the album is already made, we just have to make it again"
I think that the WDYYG demo version frrm the MFN comp comes from these recordings. I'd love to hear this whole album in demo versions :P
But, demos for the 1st album are a different thing :these demos weren't recorded as a whole album demo
they were recorded in 3 times : july, october and november 1977, in different studios, for different purposes. It's all explained by TK in the biog page on MK news.
all songs except Real girl were put on the silver pressed bootleg "Early demos", in the chronological order, but with a wrong time speed tape
Then Ingo and Thomas Molin, corrected the speed, put them in the ordrer to match the 1st album, and added Real girl, Solid rock and wdywyg from the mFN comp, + another trcak but not sure (can't check now)
From what I've heard there's good reason to believe that a fan (notorious in the 90's, and greedy like a pig about his bootleg collection) - directly or indirectly - paid off a studio technician to get the GH outtakes.
Anyone remember which major fansite ended up posting it first? Grin
do you mean TM ?
then there was the story of the divers under Gilmours' houseboat/recording studio trying to tap into the sound created on the boat during the momentary lapse of reason recordings :-)
I've read some anecdotes about bootleggers who were trying to record some Rolling Stones sessions, with microphones hidden behind the wall of the studio...
On every street demos? Where, where?
I don't find the one every demo very interesting. just monitor mixes, but no outtakes, no different version, no real "demos"
not a boot I listen too. just my 2 cents
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but it is lossy stuff, right? not to be uploaded to dime or spanish city...
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I think that the WDYYG demo version frrm the MFN comp comes from these recordings. I'd love to hear this whole album in demo versions :P
At MfN it states that it is a remix! I enjoy this version more!
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but it is lossy stuff, right? not to be uploaded to dime or spanish city...
That's right but for a short ride on the bike to school it is fine for me :)
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I think that the WDYYG demo version frrm the MFN comp comes from these recordings. I'd love to hear this whole album in demo versions :P
At MfN it states that it is a remix! I enjoy this version more!
I remember that only twisting by the pool and TR were credited as "remixes", but not WDYTYG
It's obviously not just a remix, it's a totally different version, sounds more raw, and is likely a demo recorded before the album sessions
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The information about the Golden Demos is wrong.
The Golden Demos tape was found by a friend of mine in an absoutly accidental way... He met someone that used to work in some studios and offered him some tapes from different artists. He knew some of that artists but when he saw MK name ina tape, he said that he
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The information about the Golden Demos is wrong.
The Golden Demos tape was found by a friend of mine in an absoutly accidental way... He met someone that used to work in some studios and offered him some tapes from different artists. He knew some of that artists but when he saw MK name ina tape, he said that he
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My friend send the tape to TM himself, I recall very well how pissed off he was when he knew that TM was selling it on cd...
I was about to say that maybe TM found another tape by himself, but just recall that. No, he received the tape from my friend, for sure.
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My friend send the tape to TM himself, I recall very well how pissed off he was when he knew that TM was selling it on cd...
I was about to say that maybe TM found another tape by himself, but just recall that. No, he received the tape from my friend, for sure.
Ah, well that makes it much clearer. It's obvious that he couldn't take someone else's credit when he profited off that person's luck. He must have made up the story or played along with the rumour making it credible.
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My friend send the tape to TM himself, I recall very well how pissed off he was when he knew that TM was selling it on cd...
I was about to say that maybe TM found another tape by himself, but just recall that. No, he received the tape from my friend, for sure.
Ah, well that makes it much clearer. It's obvious that he couldn't take someone else's credit when he profited off that person's luck. He must have made up the story or played along with the rumour making it credible.
I always thought that TM would had found a copy by himself, who knows how many copies that person who sell it to my friend had, but the fact is my friend was pissed off with him, so that makes the story for me, as my friend is a very honest and humble person.
The fact that there is a rumour about another tape with Batting for England and Speedway to Nazareth mades me think that very same person, or maybe others, could had sell many copies of tapes like that to other people. In that case we were very lucky that was my friend who had the luck to buy it instead of those private fans that hide everything for themselfs...
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Who is TM ???
Great to hear there are loads more songs in the vaults, one day a big box set may come our way. But I fear it may be after Mark has departed, and maybe me too! :(
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Ain't gotta drop names here but check your inbox!
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Ok thanks .
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Another question.
I think it was on the 1992 French documentary "24 heures" ("24 hours") it was stated that the band (ie JI and MK) were financing the cost of recording of the OES album and give the finished product to Phonogram, that way they could keep control over it.
Since, through Mark speaking about his solo release, obviously he does not fully control the release (STP or the GL box). I assume that if Mercury put extra song on some release it can only be done because Mark agreed to give them... So who owns the master recording tape, and especially those with unreleasqed stuff on it?
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I find it hard to believe that the record company would have wanted to leave out Summer of Love - was not Guy surprised at Mark's decision, rather? That song would fitted perfectly on the album and contributed some energy.
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What I heard from someone with contacts in Universal is that MK delivers the songs to the record company, with some guidelines about the track list and the order of the songs, and the final product is decided by the record company following (or not) that guidelines.
About STP, the old fans from the TR Mailing List will remember that was delayed various times because there were disagreements between MK, Ed, the record company etc etc etc about the selection of songs. The first problem was the two Emmylou songs. MK was so upset that mentioned that in many interviews and decided to do a cd wih her when possible.
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The first problem was the two Emmylou songs. MK was so upset that mentioned that in many interviews and decided to do a cd wih her when possible.
If losing that fight gave birth to "All the Roadrunning", then is was well worth it!
Still, I'm VERY surprised that an artist of Mark's caliber shouldn't have the final say about the tracklist of his album. :o He probably could have it if he absolutely wanted to, but maybe not with a major record deal.
Also, I agree with what you say about "Summer of Love". Omitting that was probably Mark's decision - from a purely commercial point of view, it would have made total sense to include it.