A Mark In Time
Previous Albums => Privateering (2012) => Topic started by: emilianomk on August 27, 2012, 11:25:51 PM
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Hi another track its now to listen!
http://www.markknopfler.com/media/flash/audioplayer.html
Great song!
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Save bandwith, save the trees (or something ridiculous like that) and right click, save as
http://www.markknopfler.com/media/audio/10%20Seattle.mp3
;)
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Liking it a lot..the one thing that they did do right with the new site...adding a player..although they could add a few more songs. :)
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Hah! Hank Marvin inside ...
nice one.
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Beautiful song............. :D
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:) Had a Sh#t morning all round, then turned on my PC - played "Seattle" and the sun came out. On the inside where I needed it. Life is good again!!
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I absolutely love it! Can't stop listening - the three songs played consecutively sound great together too! :)
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Absolutlely ruddy marvellous track - great lyrics and really love the 'Marvin/Knopfler' Guitar sound.....
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like it more then what i first thought, based on the sample only.
too bad i will not make it to Bournemouth this time knopflerfan, was great meeting you last time. will stick to brighton and first few RAH dates for the UK part.
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Same here Knopflerfan, no Bournemouth this time, doing the same as Pottel :)
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like it more then what i first thought, based on the sample only.
Then it must be REALLY good, Pottel! :lol I already thought, judging from the snippet, that it would be brilliant. I'll won't listen to it now, though, will wait for the whole album. I'm just realizing that this whole preview/snippets thing kind of spoils it for me.
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like it more then what i first thought, based on the sample only.
too bad i will not make it to Bournemouth this time knopflerfan, was great meeting you last time. will stick to brighton and first few RAH dates for the UK part.
See both you and Ingridswing at the RAH instead then!
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like it more then what i first thought, based on the sample only.
too bad i will not make it to Bournemouth this time knopflerfan, was great meeting you last time. will stick to brighton and first few RAH dates for the UK part.
See both you and Ingridswing at the RAH instead then!
Great ;-)
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It's kind of weird when listening the complete song after having heard the samples sooooooooooo many times. It's like hearing What It Is extended for the first time after you played WII album version 9123461297364 times. :lol
3 days to go... ;D
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It's kind of weird when listening the complete song after having heard the samples sooooooooooo many times. It's like hearing What It Is extended for the first time after you played WII album version 9123461297364 times. :lol
3 days to go... ;D
Totally agree!
Im hopping that the songs have a bridge or a extra part
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Exactly..., I thought the same, about the 3 days I mean... :lol
Jesus, isn't it like Christmas time when having been a little child? I am astonishingly cool and relaxed this time, maybe because I have the feeling that this
album IS really strong - happy about the things to come, enjoying the anticipation... great!
It is nearly sad that this great time is over... :lol :lol :lol
What will be talk about in all these threads once the album is out?
LE
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Okay, I gave in and listened to it anyway (how weak am I?). And: It's gorgeous. If someone should ever have any doubts about Mark Knopfler being an even better songwriter than he is a guitarist, just play him that. Actually, this song reminds me that Knopfler is probably the best songwriter, generally. Of them all.
Someone said the guitar solo should have been longer. I don't agree. Sure, if he'd noodled on for a couple of minutes, it would have been nice to listen to. But the song doesn't need it, and I think its relative shortness makes it even stronger. Some of his older songs (especially on Shangri-La) tended to be too stretched rather than too short. Everybody Pays, for instance, or Whoop De Doo, as great as they are. He seems to have realized that.
Of course I sometimes miss guitar outros like than one in Don't You Get It, too. But he just doesn't write the kind of songs that require them these days. No problem, the song shall be king. And I'm sure we'll get to hear some great solo parts in the blues songs. :P
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Seems i'll be the only one against the tide, but Seattle didn't send shivers up my spine. Almost for certain it will be a song i'll often skip... From all the three songs we entirely know, in my opinion it lies far behing from Privateering and, mainly, Redbud tree, a real treasure. I guess it sounded me too KTGCish, my least adorable DS/MK/OST/NH album.
Nevertheless, still hoping for the prompt arrival of my suppaduppa box. Yet many weeks will pass till it gets to Brazil.
Kind regards
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Love all three songs on the list...and I can't wait to hear the studio version of "Haul Away". I'm going to have to make some calls to local record stores tomorrow..see if anyone admits to having a box under the counter. ;)
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Of course I sometimes miss guitar outros like than one in Don't You Get It, too. But he just doesn't write the kind of songs that require them these days. No problem, the song shall be king
Agreed, but I've never understood why some songs "justify" outro or solos (you don't know you're born, SAN, in the sky, piper at the end,WII, STP, boom like that...) and others don't need (Hill farmer blues,5.15 am, so far from the clyde....) ?
in other words, why a solo is more justified on STP than on so far from the clyde ?
why WII needs more solo and outro than silvertown blues ?
I agree with the "song is king" rule, but can't see how this is applied
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Same here! I was thinking about this a lot during the last few years.
The solo in "You Don't Know You're Born" for example is really a great one - for me, there is a story behind it: It's like the sun going up, like sunshine suddenly falling in your dark daily work - (or gnosis). It sounds really awesome, I still listen a lot to that great song.
Punish The Monkey is another example: Great sounding track, nice little ideas, but somehow (lyrics) irrelevant to me - one of the weaker songs of MK on an overall weak album (imho) - compared to work MK has already done... but this song has this beautiful solo. Why? Never got it.
Why has Song For Sonny Liston on the album NOT a solo as live? Would the song not be much better and varied when there would have been a solo?
I guess only Mark knows...
L E
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When you have a talent with the guitar like Mark has why not use it to drive the song? Use the guitar as a sort of structure to hang the lyrics on. Make the best use of your available assets, that's what I say. He's a great songwriter, yes - but he's also a great guitarist and all too often latterly he seems to want to forget that.
I grew up listening to DS and was mainly attracted by the great guitar playing. At the age of 9 I wasn't really interested by their meaning and now I'm thinking maybe he's forgotten how he made his name because the songs were arguably even better written back then.
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I will never understand why Hill Farmer's Blues in studio doesn't have a solo as it does live. The song begs for a solo towards its end.
Seattle is a gorgeous little tune but I have to agree with my Brazilian fellow nababo, it doesn't send shivers up my spine either.
Based on the snippets I think Dream of the Drowned Submariner, Yon Two Crows, Blood and Water and Bluebird will do the job though.
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I will never understand why Hill Farmer's Blues in studio doesn't have a solo as it does live. The song begs for a solo towards its end.
Seattle is a gorgeous little tune but I have to agree with my Brazilian fellow nababo, it doesn't send shivers up my spine either.
Based on the snippets I think Dream of the Drowned Submariner, Yon Two Crows, Blood and Water and Bluebird will do the job though.
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Also, if a song has no solo on the album he won't feel compelled to play one on tour. It appears to me he wants to play as little guitar as possible these days.
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I will never understand why Hill Farmer's Blues in studio doesn't have a solo as it does live. The song begs for a solo towards its end.
Seattle is a gorgeous little tune but I have to agree with my Brazilian fellow nababo, it doesn't send shivers up my spine either.
Based on the snippets I think Dream of the Drowned Submariner, Yon Two Crows, Blood and Water and Bluebird will do the job though.
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Also, if a song has no solo on the album he won't feel compelled to play one on tour. It appears to me he wants to play as little guitar as possible these days.
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Even though I do reckon Mark was in top form during the last tour unlike on ATRR and KTGC tours when he clearly lacked confidence - and passion methinks - in his guitar playing.
And you are absolutely right about not playing solos on tour if the album version doesn't have one, that's why I think he regrets not having recorded one on HFB lol
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About "the song is king": I'm sure he would apply that rule differently to some old songs if he were to record them today. And he may have gotten it wrong sometimes (Hill Farmers Blues - too short, Everybody Pays - too stretched etc.). But generally, I think the better his singing gets, and the more melodic the songs (See-aaaaatle!), the less guitar is needed. He used to let the guitar do the singing, so to say, but now he can do quite a bit of that himself.
And something else regarding the song Seattle: "We talked of looking just out of town" - does anyone know what that's supposed to mean?
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And something else regarding the song Seattle: "We talked of looking just out of town" - does anyone know what that's supposed to mean?
A place to move in together? :)
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When you have a talent with the guitar like Mark has why not use it to drive the song? Use the guitar as a sort of structure to hang the lyrics on. Make the best use of your available assets, that's what I say. He's a great songwriter, yes - but he's also a great guitarist and all too often latterly he seems to want to forget that.
I grew up listening to DS and was mainly attracted by the great guitar playing. At the age of 9 I wasn't really interested by their meaning and now I'm thinking maybe he's forgotten how he made his name because the songs were arguably even better written back then.
I agree with this completely. Mark obviously is backing away from the guitar hero thing as fast as he can. If Mark were a new artist, and KTGC and Get Lucky were his first two albums, he would never have made it. Chuck Ainlay once told me in a private email that (paraphrasing) Mark almost left Silvertown Blues off STP for the very reason you state - it was too much of a guitar-driven song. As much as I love Mark's music and am looking forward to Privateering, after the Emmylou thing and the last two solo albums, I have resigned myself to being let down when I listen to it. I'm sick to death of "the song is king" and "his music has to evolve". There's no reason he can't stretch out the guitar parts on some of these songs.
Seattle is a nice song, nothing remarkable, it's a song 100's of other artists could have done. Like you said, Mark's strength is in his guitar playing; take that away and what's left is not that special.
Sorry. Rant over.
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When you have a talent with the guitar like Mark has why not use it to drive the song? Use the guitar as a sort of structure to hang the lyrics on. Make the best use of your available assets, that's what I say. He's a great songwriter, yes - but he's also a great guitarist and all too often latterly he seems to want to forget that.
I grew up listening to DS and was mainly attracted by the great guitar playing. At the age of 9 I wasn't really interested by their meaning and now I'm thinking maybe he's forgotten how he made his name because the songs were arguably even better written back then.
I agree with this completely. Mark obviously is backing away from the guitar hero thing as fast as he can.
Well, he said as much in the EPK didn't he. Personally, I would hate it if he became like Brian May at the Olympic Ceremony, still cavorting around like a guitar hero - truly embarrassing! I really like the direction Mark's music is taking and I'm sure the new album will be his best ever! Mark's strength WAS in his guitar-playing - nowadays it's in his voice and his songwriting, but his guitar is still beautiful, if not guitar hero stuff.
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When you have a talent with the guitar like Mark has why not use it to drive the song? Use the guitar as a sort of structure to hang the lyrics on. Make the best use of your available assets, that's what I say. He's a great songwriter, yes - but he's also a great guitarist and all too often latterly he seems to want to forget that.
I grew up listening to DS and was mainly attracted by the great guitar playing. At the age of 9 I wasn't really interested by their meaning and now I'm thinking maybe he's forgotten how he made his name because the songs were arguably even better written back then.
I agree with this completely. Mark obviously is backing away from the guitar hero thing as fast as he can.
Well, he said as much in the EPK didn't he. Personally, I would hate it if he became like Brian May at the Olympic Ceremony, still cavorting around like a guitar hero - truly embarrassing! I really like the direction Mark's music is taking and I'm sure the new album will be his best ever! Mark's strength WAS in his guitar-playing - nowadays it's in his voice and his songwriting, but his guitar is still beautiful, if not guitar hero stuff.
I don't mean he should bring back the headband and revive Dire Straits. I understand he's 60+ years old and I too would hate to see what you describe. I don't even mind the style of music he's doing now; in fact, I like it very much. I just think he should play the guitar more. His strength is definitely not in his voice; that's just what he's choosing to emphasize. And I can't really see how the recent songwriting can be said to be better than the songs from STP and before. The songs from the last three albums (ATRR, KTGC, GL) I think are as a group the weakest he's written (but I do still listen to them from time to time). I don't get it when I hear someone say that Redbud Tree is a great song - I just don't see it. For Mark, it's mediocre filler. I don't mean to offend anyone with this, and I'm glad you're happy with where Mark's at nowadays. Here's hoping Privateering has something to please all of us!
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I am pretty sure that the thing that I love so much about "Seattle" is all apart from the guitar - and I am pretty sure too that no other artist can deliver that. This absolute relaxed feeling, the rhythm, the atmosphere, who do you think would be able to create such a great mood and vibe? The guitar part is just
the icing of the cake (for me). Different opinions. I was expecting this guitar hero thing discussion, it comes up every time MK releases new stuff. It is inevitalbe. Astonishing though every time about WHICH song that is discussed it comes up - for me! No offence meant of course! ;) I guess there will be enough guitar playing, the snippet of "Today is Okay" sounds promising, I love the pure sound of Go, Love and lots of Slide on Don't Forget Your Hat and Gator Blood... If any, this album seems to have much more guitar noodling than the last 2, 3 releases...
LE
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His voice to me is a very important part of his music, probably just as important as a guitar solo is to you! I really love his voice - it is so soothing, but at the same time there can be still that bit of an edge and a snarl - he does it magnificently towards the end of Restless Farewell.
You mention STP, but actually my favourite solo albums are The Ragpicker's Dream, Shangri-la and Get Lucky, not STP! I'm really looking forward to Privateering and from the clips and the songs I've already heard, I doubt if I'll be disappointed.
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That guitar at the end made me think about "By the time I get to Phoenix" by Jimmy Webb, MK played exactly the same kind of guitar solo on that colaboration, and the vibe of the song was very similar to the one at the end of Seattle...
The end of this song is not at the same level of the rest of the song, that is precious...
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I wonder: did the people on here who prefer Mark's more recent output mostly become familiar with MK's music later, like after DS and Golden Heart? I mean, how many have been fans from the beginning and prefer Mark's newer music?
I ask this because I was talking with a client recently who turned out to be a die-hard Bob Dylan fan. I told him I really liked Dylan, but mostly the newer stuff, esp. Time Out of Mind and later. He looked at me with his mouth agape like I was crazy, and said this was just because I am too young to have been there in the early days and heard those songs when they were new and fresh and current.
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No, I've been a fan for more than 30 years - just moved on, like he has done! :)
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No, I've been a fan for more than 30 years - just moved on, like he has done! :)
"Just moved on" or just got old? ;) Only joking - keep on rocking! 8)
I don't want music to be "relaxing." If I want to relax I'll take a sleeping pill!
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I ask this because I was talking with a client recently who turned out to be a die-hard Bob Dylan fan. I told him I really liked Dylan, but mostly the newer stuff, esp. Time Out of Mind and later. He looked at me with his mouth agape like I was crazy, and said this was just because I am too young to have been there in the early days and heard those songs when they were new and fresh and current.
Be careful when it comes to Die-Hard-Dylanologists... some of them are quite lunatic when it comes to talking about Bob with non-believers... ::)
LE
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No, I've been a fan for more than 30 years - just moved on, like he has done! :)
"Just moved on" or just got old? ;) Only joking - keep on rocking! 8)
I don't want music to be "relaxing." If I want to relax I'll take a sleeping pill!
I both moved on and got old... ;)
Many DS fans just got old but didnt move on ;D
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No, I've been a fan for more than 30 years - just moved on, like he has done! :)
"Just moved on" or just got old? ;) Only joking - keep on rocking! 8)
I don't want music to be "relaxing." If I want to relax I'll take a sleeping pill!
I both moved on and got old... ;)
Many DS fans just got old but didnt move on ;D
You got me well sussed out! ;D
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I ask this because I was talking with a client recently who turned out to be a die-hard Bob Dylan fan. I told him I really liked Dylan, but mostly the newer stuff, esp. Time Out of Mind and later. He looked at me with his mouth agape like I was crazy, and said this was just because I am too young to have been there in the early days and heard those songs when they were new and fresh and current.
Be careful when it comes to Die-Hard-Dylanologists... some of them are quite lunatic when it comes to talking about Bob with non-believers... ::)
LE
His Bobness is from other world, you should know about that
;D ;D ;D
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I'm ok with the fact MK's moved on - in fact I have as well. The thing is he doesn't need to neglect his guitar playing, at least not completely.
After listening to the snippets for the 43561st time last night I tend to believe there will be some juicy solos on Go, Love, Blood and Water, Dream of the Drowned Submariner and on a couple of the blues songs as well.
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I wonder: did the people on here who prefer Mark's more recent output mostly become familiar with MK's music later, like after DS and Golden Heart? I mean, how many have been fans from the beginning and prefer Mark's newer music?
I ask this because I was talking with a client recently who turned out to be a die-hard Bob Dylan fan. I told him I really liked Dylan, but mostly the newer stuff, esp. Time Out of Mind and later. He looked at me with his mouth agape like I was crazy, and said this was just because I am too young to have been there in the early days and heard those songs when they were new and fresh and current.
I've been a fan for almost 30 years, and I love MK's old music. And his newer stuff. If I hadn't loved MK's new music, I hadn't been listening to it. MK makes whatever music he wants to make. If it's good, I listen to it. For me it's like that with all music. If i like it, I listen to it. If I don't like it, I don't listen to it. It's not like MK or any other artist ow us anytning. Just let them make the music they prefere, and then listen to it and buy their records if you like it. If I feel like listening to old rock music, I might pull out some of DS' earliest albums.
I'm glad MK doesn't make music like that anymore, because then he would be like any other tributeband who try to copy their heroes. But the two or three first (and IMO only) DS records were really great, some of the greatest albums ever made! (I like to think of DS as a funky bluesbased rock band who made three records from 78 to 80. After that, from 82 or even from the Making Movies tour, it has been MK solo with lots of different musicians, and much more pop, folk and even a bit of country music, first under the DS brand, later under the MK brand, unntil 2000, where they became a and again, but still under the MK brand). :)
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I'm going to the Seattle concert and staying at a hotel on Alaskan Way which is 2 blocks from 1st Ave! If anyone knows the bar which (may have been) in Marks inspiration during the first verse, I'd love to visit and take a photo.
Actually, I could walk up 1st Ave on the way to the concert! I'm sure there will be ore than one bar on the way!