A Mark In Time
Previous Albums => Privateering (2012) => Topic started by: another brother on August 31, 2012, 04:15:37 PM
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i may be wrong and maybe it was discussed already, but the live concert seems to be an own mix, it
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I think it's a good thing personally because I don't want anyone outside of this circle of fans to hear just how badly performed these versions are. Anyone listening to TR from that tour would most certainly be dissuaded from attending a concert in 2013. Sorry, but that's just my personal opinion.
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I think it's a good thing personally because I don't want anyone outside of this circle of fans to hear just how badly performed these versions are. Anyone listening to TR from that tour would most certainly be dissuaded from attending a concert in 2013. Sorry, but that's just my personal opinion.
Well, I absolutely love the ones from Manchester and Bournemouth! :)
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TR sounds too soft and empty lately that I dont mind that TR is not there, actually TR is not there since 2005...
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I think it's a good thing personally because I don't want anyone outside of this circle of fans to hear just how badly performed these versions are. Anyone listening to TR from that tour would most certainly be dissuaded from attending a concert in 2013. Sorry, but that's just my personal opinion.
Well, I absolutely love the ones from Manchester and Bournemouth! :)
That's great - I'm glad. Do you prefer them though in comparison to versions from '96 or '01 e.g.? I think that is the big question.
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i may be wrong and maybe it was discussed already, but the live concert seems to be an own mix, it
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I think it's a good thing personally because I don't want anyone outside of this circle of fans to hear just how badly performed these versions are. Anyone listening to TR from that tour would most certainly be dissuaded from attending a concert in 2013. Sorry, but that's just my personal opinion.
Well, I absolutely love the ones from Manchester and Bournemouth! :)
That's great - I'm glad. Do you prefer them though in comparison to versions from '96 or '01 e.g.? I think that is the big question.
Of course, I enjoyed the '96 version, but I really didn't enjoy any of the 2001 concerts that I have heard very much. I was at the RAH in 2001 and TR did nothing to me at all. I enjoyed the 2005 ones very much, but 2008, especially Red Rocks and Charlotte and 2010 (with the cittern :o) I liked immensely, particularly Manchester and Bournemouth !
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TR 1996 rules!
TR 2001 boring
TR 2005 back to a good version especially after the return of the Pensa sound.
TR 2008 & 2010 : bof bof bof too much cittern...
TR 2013 : WTF it's time to drop it anyway 8)
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TR 1996 rules!
TR 2001 boring
TR 2005 back to a good version especially after the return of the Pensa sound.
TR 2008 & 2010 : bof bof bof too much cittern...
TR 2013 : WTF it's time to drop it anyway 8)
You see, ds1984, I really loved the cittern! It's just different tastes, I suppose! ;)
BTW in 2005 the one from Edinburgh Playhouse and also one from the RAH 30th May were magnificent! :)
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TR 1996 rules!
TR 2001 boring
TR 2005 back to a good version especially after the return of the Pensa sound.
TR 2008 & 2010 : bof bof bof too much cittern...
TR 2013 : WTF it's time to drop it anyway 8)
Fully agree.
Since MK deleted some of his guitar parts and put cittern parts instead, it made TR more and more boring...
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LOL, Men and guitars! ::) ;D
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Do we know which show it is?
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Do we know which show it is?
Good old Pottel can catch all the posts ;D ;D
Its Madrid 2010, apparently another mix different from the Simfy, and without TR.
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Only 12 more posts (11 now) ;)
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Only 12 more posts (11 now) ;)
What will you be called then, Pottel? ;)
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Only 12 more posts (11 now) ;)
was wondering the same. He'd deserved to be called a sultan but he's gonna reach 6'000 next week or so and then there's no higher status ???
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Watching a life in songs now where he noodles away on the non plugged start (the sultans noodle) loving it......
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Oh come on. Seven more.....
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LOL, Men and guitars! ::) ;D
Men and axes ;) ;) ;)
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Men and women? ;)
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Oh come on. Seven more.....
I see 4995 : five more, not seven.
I can't believe it. He lies just to make people complain. And then he has to answer...
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Oh come on. Seven more.....
I see 4995 : five more, not seven.
I can't believe it. He lies just to make people complain. And then he has to answer...
so NOT true!
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It is true
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It is true
You see?
;D
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TR 1996 rules!
TR 2001 boring
TR 2005 back to a good version especially after the return of the Pensa sound.
TR 2008 & 2010 : bof bof bof too much cittern...
TR 2013 : WTF it's time to drop it anyway 8)
You see, ds1984, I really loved the cittern! It's just different tastes, I suppose! ;)
BTW in 2005 the one from Edinburgh Playhouse and also one from the RAH 30th May were magnificent! :)
The new arrangement with the cittern was only made-up because Mark can't play it properly any more and he knows it. We need to face facts that great songs like this that require power, energy and fast playing are not within his capabilities any more. :(
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Pottel, I think you have 4996 not 4998. You should re-count your posts from the beginning to be sure. :P
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Concerning the live rehearsals on the normal Deluxe Edition, When you whatch the DVD, at the end there is a piece about the 2010 period and then they Show a "live 2010" rehearsal of Borden Revier, is that where These other "live rehearsals" come from?
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TR 1996 rules!
TR 2001 boring
TR 2005 back to a good version especially after the return of the Pensa sound.
TR 2008 & 2010 : bof bof bof too much cittern...
TR 2013 : WTF it's time to drop it anyway 8)
You see, ds1984, I really loved the cittern! It's just different tastes, I suppose! ;)
BTW in 2005 the one from Edinburgh Playhouse and also one from the RAH 30th May were magnificent! :)
The new arrangement with the cittern was only made-up because Mark can't play it properly any more and he knows it. We need to face facts that great songs like this that require power, energy and fast playing are not within his capabilities any more. :(
Re 2001, I don't think it was boring, I liked Hamburg and Lucca very much, great piano arrangements and final solo.
Re 2005, wasn't the strat used instead of the Pensa for all the great London/Lyon/Madrid/...shows ?
Re 2013, I don't think such a great masterpiece should be dropped !! but back to the roots like 2005...
And dmg, although I was disappointed by the 2008/2010 versions, I find you a bit harsh. Mark is still able to handle the final solo pretty well. Paris was electrifying (I was there). Certainly slower than Lyon 2005, but still quite enjoyable; now, if Mark is able to play the final solo, don't you think he also should be able to handle the little solo after "rolling river" ?? I don't think it was dropped by lack of capacity, but out of a (bad) choice. So I really hope the solo returns in 2013 !!
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Maybe I was a little harsh. He was playing a lot better I think last year than he did in 2010, but then the set was shorter and he was showing off to impress Bob! ;)
Time will tell but I fear we will have the same arrangement as last outing and the show needs a bit of an epic as a climax before the encores. Speedway is great and the best song live by a country mile but it just doesn't finish the gig like TR does.
Last week I was listening to YouTube and came across a video of TR from 2005. The solo was great, as usual. Then there was a link to one from a concert in 2010 (one of the later ones) and I couldn't believe the change in pace between the two, never mind in the performance. It was the change in pace that struck me first. Incredible.
Thinking back, the version from the OES tour were pretty poor too. Pacy though!
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Thinking back, the version from the OES tour were pretty poor too. Pacy though!
Talking about showing off, the TR from OES was really show off: yes pacy and incredible solo, but ruined by this impression that the song is rushed just to buy some time. Cut intro, stupid sax solo, digusting pedal steel all over the place,... yes pacy, but actually too pacy !!
Alchemy was much better I think, more soul (but a bit rough, lacked the smoothing synth from Guy). Great on video though, the only version we have :( Would have loved an alternate one like Madrid 2001 on video...
Also, the very first ones (80/81) were very touching by their freshesh, experimention with the song, and nice guitar sound... This San Remo 81 is one of the bests... hearing young Mark saying "This is a new song !" :))
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Aaah, San remo '81....good old days...
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Aaah, San remo '81....good old days...
Breathe, Grandppa...
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Aaah, San remo '81....good old days...
Breathe, Grandppa...
+1
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TR 1996 rules!
TR 2001 boring
TR 2005 back to a good version especially after the return of the Pensa sound.
TR 2008 & 2010 : bof bof bof too much cittern...
TR 2013 : WTF it's time to drop it anyway 8)
You see, ds1984, I really loved the cittern! It's just different tastes, I suppose! ;)
BTW in 2005 the one from Edinburgh Playhouse and also one from the RAH 30th May were magnificent! :)
The new arrangement with the cittern was only made-up because Mark can't play it properly any more and he knows it. We need to face facts that great songs like this that require power, energy and fast playing are not within his capabilities any more. :(
Re 2001, I don't think it was boring, I liked Hamburg and Lucca very much, great piano arrangements and final solo.
I feel asleep during that one and it was a standing show so IT DEFINITIVELY WAS boring
Re 2005, wasn't the strat used instead of the Pensa for all the great London/Lyon/Madrid/...shows ?
While touring Italy he was offered a new Pensa by Rudy himself and so the Strat was dropped on its favor on TR.
So the Pensa is featured on Crowfly recordings from Italy onward
Re 2013, I don't think such a great masterpiece should be dropped !! but back to the roots like 2005...
He already did it long ago with TOL among others such as PONO so why not? We can have faith, WOL has been after way too many years played finally thrown out. And bring Silvertown Blues in!.
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BTW who will ask for a refund as the dowloaded show is not full and thus a contractual breach.
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BTW who will ask for a refund as the dowloaded show is not full and thus a contractual breach.
Interesting...
And how much would you be refunded?
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Where the eff do I actually find that show?? Looked and did not find it...
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BTW who will ask for a refund as the dowloaded show is not full and thus a contractual breach.
Interesting...
And how much would you be refunded?
I ask my legal accountant ;D
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Where the eff do I actually find that show?? Looked and did not find it...
Google it ?
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No! I mean on the mkcom site!
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ok got it.
not to be found like that on the site. the card says go to "mark knopfler.com/bonus" and then enter the code.
it worked :-)
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and whilst i start the download my itunes miracilously switches from Privateering to HFB from the (symfy) madrid show, how spooky is that!!!
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and whilst i start the download my itunes miracilously switches from Privateering to HFB from the (symfy) madrid show, how spooky is that!!!
The truth is out there. trust no one ! ;D
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Muuuuuulder.................. :o
LE
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Hi all. I was kind of hoping the download would be of the upcoming tour. I wouldn't mind waiting another year or so! But saying that, the Get Lucky tour was pretty decent; I have 4 concerts from it. I think they are by Simfy but not sure. I'm trying to Catch Them All! So can anyone point in in the right direction?! Offically or :/
By the way, is Piper the only Get Lucky track on the Simfy releases?
Cheers x
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no, montelone, get lucky for instance are also available wherever they were played. welcome Colin!
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No, he played Border Reiver as an opener EVERY time, and at some shows (2 or 3 simfy shows I believe) have Cleaning My Gun, London May 30th has Monteleone, Hamburg June 16th has Get Lucky... I am pretty sure that's it.
He used to play some other tracks during the US part of the tour, but Simfy started recordings with London May 30th 2010, not so much set list changes from there on.
;)
LE
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Thanks for the reply Pottel! I'm hoping there will be a similar way of buying soundboard recordings from this tour. Do you know where I can download/buy recordings from 2010? I'd happily share the 4 I have. Would like to hear a soundboard of Get Lucky!
Loving Privateering, by the way! It's a grower!
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No, he played Border Reiver as an opener EVERY time, and at some shows (2 or 3 simfy shows I believe) have Cleaning My Gun, London May 30th has Monteleone, Hamburg June 16th has Get Lucky... I am pretty sure that's it.
He used to play some other tracks during the US part of the tour, but Simfy started recordings with London May 30th 2010, not so much set list changes from there on.
Yeah I forgot Border Reiver! Doh! Superb versions of Hillfarmer Blues and Prairie Wedding. Pity they did'nt offically film each gig!!!
LE
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I think you can check setlists on the GetLucky section in this forum. Must be pretty complete I think
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colin, check pm.
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I think you can check setlists on the GetLucky section in this forum. Must be pretty complete I think
Thanks, will check! X
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Maybe you have to go through a 1000 posts, but I reported the setlists by phone to others live a couple of times and they put it here
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Maybe you have to go through a 1000 posts, but I reported the setlists by phone to others live a couple of times and they put it here
Yeah I've been following Bruce on SPL by refreshing the page every few minutes! Good to know people like yourself think of others and make that extra effort. It really is great to find forums like this where people all like the same music. My girlfriend hates Mark Knoplfer and can only just tolerate Bruce! Hard times!
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The new arrangement with the cittern was only made-up because Mark can't play it properly any more and he knows it. We need to face facts that great songs like this that require power, energy and fast playing are not within his capabilities any more. :(
Wow, I sure hope you aren't serious, dmg. Any time an artist performs a song for the better part of 30 years, I think that new arrangements are more than welcome to both long-time fans, as well as the artist and his band!
Further I think your assertion that Mark's technical facility on the guitar might be diminishing and that that might somehow factor in to an appreciation of his live performances is completely irrelevant. He is such a master of taste and style that he will always be a treat to listen to.
Admittedly not every artist is capable of this, but Les Paul made some of his finest recordings when he was in his 60s. And I don't feel at all hesitant in saying that I think Mark is doing the same.
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The new arrangement with the cittern was only made-up because Mark can't play it properly any more and he knows it. We need to face facts that great songs like this that require power, energy and fast playing are not within his capabilities any more. :(
Wow, I sure hope you aren't serious, dmg. Any time an artist performs a song for the better part of 30 years, I think that new arrangements are more than welcome to both long-time fans, as well as the artist and his band!
Further I think your assertion that Mark's technical facility on the guitar might be diminishing and that that might somehow factor in to an appreciation of his live performances is completely irrelevant. He is such a master of taste and style that he will always be a treat to listen to.
Admittedly not every artist is capable of this, but Les Paul made some of his finest recordings when he was in his 60s. And I don't feel at all hesitant in saying that I think Mark is doing the same.
I know I'm going to get flak for this...but I do think it's time for Mark to drop TR from the setlists..besides...lets face it..SPEEDWAY has outshone it live the last few tours anyway..soooo... As far as Mark losing his technical skills goes..it seems to me that he is actually regaining on the new album skills that may have been effected by the accident years ago. I haven't heard him record riffs like this in a while (Bluebird!). :)
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I think TR from 2005 is the best from the last tours. In my opinion it should always be played on the Strat. The Pensa sounds to soft in my ears on this song. In 2010 the song included some shortcuts. Don't know why... Anyone remember Madrid 2005? That's what I'm talking about :)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsRy4e4aOzg
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TR from Locarno 2010 rocks...
LE
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I know I'm going to get flak for this...but I do think it's time for Mark to drop TR from the setlists..
Hi Hops,
You won't get any flak from me! I've said elsewhere several times that I'd just as soon see Mark drop ALL of the DS material from his sets now and just play songs from his solo career. And this is coming from someone who has been a fan since 1978 and first saw Mark perform when he only had one album out.
With Dire Straits he released about 60 songs I think - and the last of them 20 years ago. Since then, as a solo artist he's recorded almost twice that number and counting! It's time to drop the DS material from the set-lists altogether and let's hear more of the newer material. Pleeeease!!!
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TR from Locarno 2010 rocks...
LE
Locarno was extremely hot, starting with 38 degrees Celsius only dropping during the night to 32. But how it rocked ;-)
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My favourite Simfy show. Would have loved to be there. Something magical about that performance. And I made that discovery all on my own AFTER I read it at Isaac's blog... :lol
LE
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concerning the fact that TR is missing Guy replied:
Yes it was Mixed by Rich Cooper. Mark decided to remove TR.
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concerning the fact that TR is missing Guy replied:
Yes it was Mixed by Rich Cooper. Mark decided to remove TR.
so Mark has the power.
To be honest I've never had any doubt about that.
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My favourite Simfy show. Would have loved to be there. Something magical about that performance. And I made that discovery all on my own AFTER I read it at Isaac's blog... :lol
LE
It's one I never bought, but a lot is available on YouTube and it seems a great show from the 2010 tour. The reason I bought the Madrid was because Guy said it was such a great show on his diary but to be honest I don't think it's that great - just okay. I'll bet Mark decided to go with Guy's word on this when the decision came to choose a show; can you imagine Mark listening to every recorded show! Then he listened to the show (chosen by Guy) and thought: "you know, TR's crap - I can't face my pals down at the cafe in the morning if I release that!"
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My absolute favourite is Manchester. I have ten others including Locarno, which is great of course, but imo Manchester is better! :)
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I don't like the current TR version but he choose do do it like that so I think he should have left it with the rest. I don't understand.
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Guy answer to my question about why MK choose to leave TR out sounds kind of "Shut up, and dont ask again"...
Q: Hello again Doc. I
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Guy answer to my question about why MK choose to leave TR out sounds kind of "Shut up, and dont ask again"...
Q: Hello again Doc. I
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No, he played Border Reiver as an opener EVERY time, and at some shows (2 or 3 simfy shows I believe) have Cleaning My Gun, London May 30th has Monteleone, Hamburg June 16th has Get Lucky... I am pretty sure that's it.
He used to play some other tracks during the US part of the tour, but Simfy started recordings with London May 30th 2010, not so much set list changes from there on.
;)
LE
Col1n I am not sure if there is a Simfy of Brighton May 25 - 2010, but Mark was playing there Monteleone as well! .....Why I remember? LOL I LOVE that song, it's one of my favourites! ;D
About TR I like to add that in the past I didn't like this song when I listened it at an album. But after I heard it for the first time live at the concerts of 2008 and 2010 it is one of my favourites! .........It really blows me away, while I am not that thin! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/Fieneke2/Emoticons/Grinsmiley.gif)
Fieneke
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Brighton 2010 was released.
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Brighton 2010 was released.
I have it on USB
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Simfy started recording at the first show at the RAH, but almost all of the UK shows earlier than the RAH were mixed and released by Simfy (not all of them but almost)
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Simfy started recording at the first show at the RAH, but almost all of the UK shows earlier than the RAH were mixed and released by Simfy (not all of them but almost)
All but one, the opening night in Belfast. According to Poupystar who attended it, Mark was on fire.
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Simfy started recording at the first show at the RAH, but almost all of the UK shows earlier than the RAH were mixed and released by Simfy (not all of them but almost)
All but one, the opening night in Belfast. According to Poupystar who attended it, Mark was on fire.
I guess Simfy people was already upset with the sales figures and decided not to mix and sell any other show...
And in some months, they closed the "Live" division.
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Simfy started recording at the first show at the RAH, but almost all of the UK shows earlier than the RAH were mixed and released by Simfy (not all of them but almost)
All but one, the opening night in Belfast. According to Poupystar who attended it, Mark was on fire.
The opening night was Dublin, I was there and it wasn't recorded, I'm sad to say, because it was a fabulous show! Belfast wasn't recorded either!
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Simfy started recording at the first show at the RAH, but almost all of the UK shows earlier than the RAH were mixed and released by Simfy (not all of them but almost)
All but one, the opening night in Belfast. According to Poupystar who attended it, Mark was on fire.
The opening night was Dublin, I was there and it wasn't recorded, I'm sad to say, because it was a fabulous show!
My bad yes Dublin. And I am not sure about Belfast being released. Seem not
All show prior to the RAH were not recorded by Simfy but are Knopfler's own recordings.
We got only one RAH show due to Simfy unable to reach an agreement with the RAH regarding the recording fees asked.
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I'm not surprised MK was embarrassed when he listened to TR, it's been crap for a while now, with all the folky stuff and no "rolling river" solo.
Hopefully it will be ditched and Speedway can take its place as the last track before the BIA/SFA encores, a la 2006. I'd rather have four other songs in its place, it is an indulgence in a two hour show.
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Speedway will never be the same without Danny, so I prefer some other songs as an encore. SFA can be skipped too imo
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STP can be skipped for me too. It's not the same without Matt. Not the same interaction!
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STP, WII, WAM, SFA, DWB : overdose
Speedway : I just can't get enough !!!
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STP, WII, WAM, SFA, DWB : overdose
Speedway : I just can't get enough !!!
Speedway is really my live favourite, it would be sad without it. I even got used to the flute... Still like the RLRR version best but recent versions were also fantastic.
As for TR, can we be a bit more positive ? Instead these "it has been crap latetly, so let's drop it", could we move on to "it was a bit slow lately although played with emotion, hopefully in 2003 the fast 2005 pace will return since Mark is on fire now ?" Same for WII that was played faster in 2011...
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STP, WII, WAM, SFA, DWB : overdose
Speedway : I just can't get enough !!!
Speedway is really my live favourite, it would be sad without it. I even got used to the flute... Still like the RLRR version best but recent versions were also fantastic.
As for TR, can we be a bit more positive ? Instead these "it has been crap latetly, so let's drop it", could we move on to "it was a bit slow lately although played with emotion, hopefully in 2003 the fast 2005 pace will return since Mark is on fire now ?" Same for WII that was played faster in 2011...
Which live are you talking about ?
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Herlock - I still love TR and especially a lot of the ones from 2010. It is one of the highlights of the show for me. It's certainly not crap!
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I'd prefer R&J to be removed from the setlist than TR !
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STP, WII, WAM, SFA, DWB : overdose
Speedway : I just can't get enough !!!
Speedway is really my live favourite, it would be sad without it. I even got used to the flute... Still like the RLRR version best but recent versions were also fantastic.
As for TR, can we be a bit more positive ? Instead these "it has been crap latetly, so let's drop it", could we move on to "it was a bit slow lately although played with emotion, hopefully in 2003 the fast 2005 pace will return since Mark is on fire now ?" Same for WII that was played faster in 2011...
Which live are you talking about ?
RLRR = Real Live Roadrunning = the lovely DVD/CD combo of the 2006 small tour that MK did with Emmylou Harris. It is the only live product we have got for MK solo (more a collaboration actually), together with the 1996 "A night in London". It is unfortunately more focused on the ATTR album that on MK solo stuff; still, it includes a killer version of Speedway, nice versions of SFA and Why Worry, and gems from the ATTR album, like "I dug up a diamond" and the title track. Emmy's voice adds a lot to the songs (she should come back !). So, it is a real gem :) although no substitute for a proper MK solo concert :(
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I'd prefer R&J to be removed from the setlist than TR !
At the moment MK plays only five of the DS songs in concert these days and of these five I would choose to leave out SFA and BIA next time. SOS, R&J and TR can stay! :)
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I'd prefer R&J to be removed from the setlist than TR !
At the moment MK plays only five of the DS songs in concert these days and of these five I would choose to leave out SFA and BIA next time. SOS, R&J and TR can stay! :)
SoS, TR and BIA are masterpieces that should stay.
R&J and SFA are just nice overplayed songs that can go.
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R&J remains Mark's own favourite song so almost no chance he drops that one.
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Speedway will never be the same without Danny, so I prefer some other songs as an encore. SFA can be skipped too imo
totally agree on Speedway
maybe only Abe Laboriel Jr can play it same ''Danny way''
Chad was the man.
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Bring Danny Back. I'll repeat this till I die I think
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Bring Danny Back. I'll repeat this till I die I think
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I kinda agree...
I really think that Ian Thomas is a wonderful drummer and he plays very well, with great technic, but no soul... He knows what to play, for example, he knew that at the end of BIA he had to play snare drum (something missing since ages) but in the rest of the songs, were Danny added thousands of details (as the great percussionist he is), Ian just plays what he has to play, simple and effective.
As much as I like Ian style, I will bring Danny back.
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I want Danny back too!
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I want Pick back. ;D
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I want jbeant's avatar!
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I want Pick back. ;D
That would be awesome.
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Listening to the Why Aye Man live souncheck... There are so many differences between Ian and Danny, and also Chad... Danny added a lot of rythmic stuff and variations in the grooves in that song, Chad was the first one who played that song and started how to play it, but Ian changed some of the things, and... I dont like how he changed it...
And the rest, is played in the more simple way. I dont understand this drummer, in other videos with other artists he plays specially well, but with MK, in some songs he adds things that are very nice (BIA end, Sonny Liston interlude...) but in average... he dissapoints me.
I commented with Dusty and Dmg in Glasgow that I liked the drummer, because that day I focused more in what he did well and different and assumed that with more time, his playing in MK songs will grow better, but it didnt :(
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Chad was the first one who played that song and started how to play it, but Ian changed some of the things, and... I dont like how he changed it...
I commented with Dusty and Dmg in Glasgow that I liked the drummer, because that day I focused more in what he did well and different and assumed that with more time, his playing in MK songs will grow better, but it didnt :(
I agree with your statement jbaent.
And yes, Chad was the first one to play Why aye man because he recorded that song on the album, but the first one to play it LIVE was
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Chad also played Why Aye Man during the Shangri-La Tour, remember Chad was the drummer during the first leg of the tour in Dubai, India, Australia and New Zealand...
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For me, Ian plays the new bluesy songs perfectly. Listen to Gator Blood.
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Yes, I'd like to defend Ian, too. Please tell us: What song on Privateering suffers from not-so-good drumming? I couldn't think of any. The only (minor) complaint would be that sometimes, Ian could have been given a bit more freedom, like George Recile with Bob Dylan.
The Shangri-La tour was interesting. I thought back then that for some songs ("Our Shangri-La", for instance) Chad Cromwell was definitely the better drummer than Danny. They all have their stronger and weaker moments, I guess. But overall, I think Ian Thomas is the most accomplished so far.
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For me, Ian plays the new bluesy songs perfectly. Listen to Gator Blood.
Gator Blood is good drumming, but imagine what Danny would add to it. All those subtile things he does when drumming. That really brings the soul and feel. I agree with Jbaent, he adds thousands of little details which really touch me
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Xcept for pick, or Jim Keltner, I never really paid any attention to drum players,....
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Xcept for pick, or Jim Keltner, I never really paid any attention to drum players,....
I had personally been blown by Steve Jordan when drumming for Eric in 2006. I think I will never ever experience this again in my life for a drummer.
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That name rings the bell, did he played drums for MK
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Xcept for pick, or Jim Keltner, I never really paid any attention to drum players,....
I had personally been blown by Steve Jordan when drumming for Eric in 2006. I think I will never ever experience this again in my life for a drummer.
before plyaing with a drummer, I never really paid attention to drummers too
but when he made me listen to Police and Genesis (70 era), I started to like listen to drums parts.
Coppeland and Collins are great players.
As for DS/MK, my favs are Pick and Jbaent avatar, even if completely different.
I would say Pick for subtle studio recordings, Terry for live energy (aaahh Sultans and TR on alchemy :P :P :P :P)
Sorry Nico, but I've never found something special to Danny.
I agree that Chad was the man, and I like Ian's playing, but maybe is it more in the global band sound and style
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Had that experience with Geoff Dugmore on drums one day. What a fantastic drummer he is. Saw Heather Nova the other day performing at a festival, didn't see the drummer yet, but could hear it was Geoff (and I was right)! ;D
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Danny
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I agree with you NicoMK about Danny - and Matt too - he also had a dialogue with MK, especially STP and R&J. I hope they will return to the band one day soon! :)
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Yes