A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: sak4 on September 18, 2012, 07:27:16 PM
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From MKNews - posted by Henk - sorry if its already been posted
Guitar Stories with MK , Steve Phillips and John Illsley aired on Sky Arts
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=108455992641092&saved
(http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=108455992641092&saved)
In this program MK talks about guitars , he's playing with Steve Phillips , it's presented
by John Illsley.Aired on Sky Arts 1 at 10pm Oct ober 16th , you can watch the trailer here with some familiar people in the audience :)
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It was already posted here on September 14th, see some thread below yours, just called Guitar Stories.
From the newssection on Markknopfler.com
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New clip with the '61 Fender Strat:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Guitar-Stories/223477681113592
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The demo of Sultans sounds different than from the original red/white single. Is this the Charlie Gillett demo?
Noted that "it's raining in the park" sounds like "it's RAIning in the park"...
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Don' t you mix up here two things? The Single was not the demo. The demo was an extra recording which got available some years later with a CD called "The Honkey Tonk Demoes" if I am not mistaken. I fear I am but there are lots of people around here knowing more about this than me. But what John has on his Apple IS the demo version.
For a few seconds, i doubted if this is really the 61 Fender. It looks so fresh! I thought Mark took one of his signature ones...
Val, I erased my Beatles post because it was the wrong thread. No idea how that happened. Never managed to do that in nearly 3000 posts... ???
LE
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LOL LE! I erased my reply too, because your post had disappeared! :lol
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This new clip is a REAL appetizer for the show. Wow I loved it. Mark just has to play those little Sultans parts and I am a happy camper. This rhythm part is one of the best things in the history of rock n' roll!
I like that the guitars are literally numbered. I guess guitar number one, but if the Strat is Nr. 3, which one will be the second?
LE
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OMG!! That clip has just made me dribble! ;D
Can't wait. What superb picture quality.
Cheers. BBB
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Hearing him say "which I haven't heard for 35 years" is a total other experience than reading about it. He is so authentic, I believe him without any doubt that he indeed has never heard the demo again. And listening to live recordings in case of choosing the best one for a live release must be a very hard thing to do for him.
This is really a great appetizer. I want more! ;D
LE
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This new clip is a REAL appetizer for the show. Wow I loved it. Mark just has to play those little Sultans parts and I am a happy camper. This rhythm part is one of the best things in the history of rock n' roll!
I like that the guitars are literally numbered. I guess guitar number one, but if the Strat is Nr. 3, which one will be the second?
LE
1. Les Paul 58
2. National
3. Strat 61
There is also the monteleone. Which are the two others ?
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This new clip is a REAL appetizer for the show. Wow I loved it. Mark just has to play those little Sultans parts and I am a happy camper. This rhythm part is one of the best things in the history of rock n' roll!
I like that the guitars are literally numbered. I guess guitar number one, but if the Strat is Nr. 3, which one will be the second?
LE
1. Les Paul 58
2. National
3. Strat 61
There is also the monteleone. Which are the two others ?
You all realise his signature Strat will be number one, don't you! ::) ;D
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The blue pensa!
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I don't think the first one will be the Les Paul. I thought they would do it in chronological order.. so the red Hofner (KTGC promo picture thingi) guitar will probably be the first, it was seen in the first trailer. But the National as the second could be true. The "drove to Wales in the pouring rain" story did take place something before Dire Straits times, did it?
LE
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Almost had a heart attack, thought John would play the ACOUSTIC demo!!!
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IMHO the 1st guitar should have been the 61 or the national, the 2 iconic Mark's guitar in term of sound and visual
the SOS demo was recorded on 27/07/1977, given to Charlie Gillet, and later featuring on the CD "honky tonk demos"
The SOS single version was recorded on 20/04/1978
And yes Mark bought his 2 national (style 'O' and tricone) long before Dire Straits, and before the 61, I guess in the first half of the 70s
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My Mac won't play the video. It is an old reliable machine, but it has issues with flash players of newer generations. Anybody seen the youtube link? Much appreciated.
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My Mac won't play the video. It is an old reliable machine, but it has issues with flash players of newer generations. Anybody seen the youtube link? Much appreciated.
Yes. JI and MK sitting together. John plays the old Sultans demo on his Mac and Mark plays along with it on his '61 Fender Strat.
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I have to connect my intel PC somehow. Or maybe wait for the whole show to come up, in 10 days. Thanks dmg for the teaser description!
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I've seen the clips on FaceBook, but won't be able to view the whole program, as I don't have Sky Arts. So I'm hoping the whole thing will eventually appear on YouTube or such......
Maaike
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It's Hofner time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRC1yVSPaZY
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It's Hofner time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRC1yVSPaZY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59_juI9dnRY
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Thanks.
..and YES, finally the radio story :-)
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Thanks.
..and YES, finally the radio story :-)
Love how John laughs like he heard it for the first time! So polite. :lol
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Love it too. It's great to see them together talking and joking. One gets the impression that they are really good friends . :thumbsup
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I would think so. I would think John Illsley and Steve Philips are really good friends of him - over all those years - and his career could not harm their relationship. Whereas with Guy I am not so sure if they would really call themselves "friends" or just good collegues or pals..
LE
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Yes, I'm quite sure that this is also a question of being approximately the same age.
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I would think so. I would think John Illsley and Steve Philips are really good friends of him - over all those years - and his career could not harm their relationship. Whereas with Guy I am not so sure if they would really call themselves "friends" or just good collegues or pals..
LE
valid thought. One wonders...
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Funny in the H
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Record for Tuesday night has been now set on the tv planner on top box!!!!! ;D
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It's Hofner time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRC1yVSPaZY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59_juI9dnRY
Same that he always refers to the wah, as there is NO wah on the 85-90 versions.
The wah appearead only for the OES tour, maybe for the cover made by a man with a name like mankovic (can't remember exactly)
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Clip 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JyZ81XAYTA
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Clip #3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59_juI9dnRY
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Clip #4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRC1yVSPaZY
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Clip #4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRC1yVSPaZY
If you click in the youtube icon above, and put the link in between, you can watch it from here
Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRC1yVSPaZY
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Thanks for your tip, Julio. I just don't want to slow down the webpage loading speed.
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Hello,
is anyone recording the full video and sharing it somehow ?
Cheers and thanks in advance.
Angelo
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Brilliant stuff so far.
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Brilliant stuff so far.
Dusty,
did the recording went well ? ;D
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What about? First comment?
Thank's
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better watch that rather then the Belgium-Scotland game aye Dusty?
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Recording right now.
Great but some lies creeping in. 58 LP used on Bia? Pens a MK one made in 1980?
Hmmm...
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better watch that rather then the Belgium-Scotland game aye Dusty?
Yes, cheering me up. Bravo to Belgium, enjoy this golden age my friend. :)
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am, to the fullest, more then the germans are enjoying right now...
http://de.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/europe/standings/index.html
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am, to the fullest, more then the germans are enjoying right now...
http://de.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/europe/standings/index.html
French are quite happy tonight ;)
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The blue Pensa is pure sexy! Interesting to see Mark can still play all the fast licks and CE lick was exactly as in OES tour...he still got it :-)
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I thought the programme interesting but then I wouldn't know about the slight misrepresentations nor any "gloss" applied. I really liked the sequence walking along the arcade to J G Windows shop in Newcastle, a place I have visited often. And I enjoyed the Robin Hood's Bay sequence because, althoughI had seen DS perform, it was really the NHB songs and sound that first got me - that "down home" trip. And the New York part was fascinating - Rudy Pensa talking about fashioning a guitar and especially John Monteleone carving one.
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Recording right now.
Great but some lies creeping in. 58 LP used on Bia? Pens a MK one made in 1980?
Hmmm...
Hello Dustyvalentino, could you send me this recording? or do you know where I can download it?
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The Guitar Stories thing is out on Hungercity, also a tracker!
http://www.hungercity.org/details.php?id=20300
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The blue Pensa is pure spamy! Interesting to see Mark can still play all the fast licks and CE lick was exactly as in OES tour...he still got it :-)
Sounds great! :) I often have an impression that he plays even better in these situations than on stage. I don't know why... Maybe it's because it's only short licks, but I often feel they are more presice, and he also tends to play things he never play live anymore, when the camera is on...
Can't wait to watch :)
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The Guitar Stories thing is out on Hungercity, also a tracker!
http://www.hungercity.org/details.php?id=20300
Wow, and it is a direct HD rip as well, will be great quality.
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Thanks Klaas!
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The Guitar Stories thing is out on Hungercity, also a tracker!
http://www.hungercity.org/details.php?id=20300
I will go check it out when I'm at home tonight. Should be nice!
Thanks for this!
Maaike
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It downloads very slowly, but I
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If everything goes well, in less than 90 minutes! I will keep it up for faster downloading.
Dusty and twm, thank you for the teaser posts!
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better watch that rather then the Belgium-Scotland game aye Dusty?
Great game! Should have been more. Down with the SFA.
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The blue Pensa is pure spamy! Interesting to see Mark can still play all the fast licks and CE lick was exactly as in OES tour...he still got it :-)
Not really a solo though; it doesn't have to go anywhere so his brain isn't working out what he has to do next. Maybe his brain is getting slower too. Probably...
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Wauw it's great don't you think
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Wauw it's great don't you think
Yes. I really enjoyed it. John is such a great presenter/interviewer. Big budget for that show too.
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Thanks for the info. I am currently downloading it using
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Unfortunately I have literally no understanding of torrents and have never successfully downloaded one. They just seem to be beyond by technical comprehension. Annoyingly, although I am in the UK, I don't have Sky Arts 1 as I only have Freeview. I asked my cousin to record it for me but he will be unable to put it on a disc as modern digital set-ups don't allow you to do things like that anymore. AARGH! I was really looking forward to seeing this!
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Unfortunately I have literally no understanding of torrents and have never successfully downloaded one. They just seem to be beyond by technical comprehension. Annoyingly, although I am in the UK, I don't have Sky Arts 1 as I only have Freeview. I asked my cousin to record it for me but he will be unable to put it on a disc as modern digital set-ups don't allow you to do things like that anymore. AARGH! I was really looking forward to seeing this!
Really annoying that, isn't it. It's back to Beta I think!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmkKHR6YRes
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Great to see it, really great stuff, thanks for uploading :)
Did you note that the Pensa Suhr MK1 became a Pensa MK1, no word about John Suhr (also it said 1980 which must be 1988 of course). I heard that Rudy Pensa and John Suhr had some arguments about the rights of the MK1, seems it left some marks
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Great to see it, really great stuff, thanks for uploading :)
Did you note that the Pensa Suhr MK1 became a Pensa MK1, no word about John Suhr (also it said 1980 which must be 1988 of course). I heard that Rudy Pensa and John Suhr had some arguments about the rights of the MK1, seems it left some marks
mmmm yes
very strange they promoted the guitar as Pensa only
Yes, they spoke as though that was the very first Pensa/ Pensa-Suhr but, of course it wasn't. A few other glaring errors too (as DV pointed out) but doesn't distract from the fact it was a great programme. :thumbsup
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Unfortunately I have literally no understanding of torrents and have never successfully downloaded one. They just seem to be beyond by technical comprehension. Annoyingly, although I am in the UK, I don't have Sky Arts 1 as I only have Freeview. I asked my cousin to record it for me but he will be unable to put it on a disc as modern digital set-ups don't allow you to do things like that anymore. AARGH! I was really looking forward to seeing this!
Don't lose hope, it will surely show up in youtube.
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Funny in the H
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I absolutely loved the documentary that I watched it again today 8) What struck me was that my two eldest kids sat there and watched totally appreciating Knopfler as what he represents.... A living legend. Nice when things like that happen.
It was really great to see the chat with Steve Phillips, Rudy Pensa and Montoleone. You could see just how touched John Montoleone was about Knopfler writing that song about him.
Wonderful documentary
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I thought the programme interesting but then I wouldn't know about the slight misrepresentations nor any "gloss" applied. I really liked the sequence walking along the arcade to J G Windows shop in Newcastle, a place I have visited often. And I enjoyed the Robin Hood's Bay sequence because, althoughI had seen DS perform, it was really the NHB songs and sound that first got me - that "down home" trip. And the New York part was fascinating - Rudy Pensa talking about fashioning a guitar and especially John Monteleone carving one.
yes it was great to see J G windows in newcastle, in an arcade i walk through often. however the fact is that mark knopfler bought his first guitar from a shop called kitchens near the old tiffanys nightclub (featured in the michael caine film get carter). But as mk as a former journalist might say, why let the facts get in the way of a good story?! and anyway it would be somewhat churlish to kick off about jg windows, since kitchens is now a bar and windows has been definitely one of the seminal music shops in the toon for many decades.
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Managed to get it downloaded, but the audio/video is off by about 10 seconds, which makes it kind of tough to follow!
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Don't you have the delay sync button in your player ? (I use VLC) Maybe that could solve the problem.
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Is it a "JTT" rip? That man is good....
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I've uploaded it on vk dot com social network. Direct link to 720p stream without registration:
http://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=-1623526&id=163932778&hash=22c57d033c4d7b5c&hd=3
Great choice for those who can't understand this 'torrent thing' and who can't wait youtube upload as well.
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Don't you have the delay sync button in your player ? (I use VLC) Maybe that could solve the problem.
Ah yes, that did it. I was trying to use Windows Media Player, but downloaded VLC and it worked like a charm. Thanks!
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It so great to see how Monteleone was amazed by 'Monteleone' just like Mark was amazed by Monteleone, sorry for pun :)
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Geordie, there's a sequence in DONT LOOK BACK, the documentary film of Dylan's 1965 UK tour when he looks at guitars in a shop window. That shop window is in Newcastle but it's not one of J G Windows's windows. Do you have any idea which shop window it might have been?
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This is the best MK documentary I have ever seen. Extremely enjoyable! Such a great idea to make John Illsley the presenter, it gave the whole thing a very warm and friendly impression. Thanks to everyone who made it available.
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Downloaded it, too.
The audio is running perfectly well, but the picture is freezing after about 2 minutes... and stumble and so on. Any ideas? If I go on with the button on the bar (sorry, have not the right words for it now), a fews seconds running and the same... no fun to watch... Audio runs through without a halt...
I used VLC Player
LE
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LE you should try two things.
If you play it from a DVD, you should give it a try straight from the VOB file in your hard disc (hope you have not deleted it yet) to see if it is corrupted and therefore have to download it again. If it plays fine from the VOB, then it is a problem with the DVD transfer, and you could try rewriting it to a DVD.
The second is a trouble shooter for software: Use a different player to see if it solves your problem.
Hope that helps.
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Thanks, will try. Was late yesterday, haven't burnt it yet (was running out of blanks ;D ) Tried to watch it with the player only... Will report later!
LE
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I've uploaded it on vk dot com social network. Direct link to 720p stream without registration:
http://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=-1623526&id=163932778&hash=22c57d033c4d7b5c&hd=3
Great choice for those who can't understand this 'torrent thing' and who can't wait youtube upload as well.
Thanks very much for uploading the 720p version. I was watching while downloading.
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Geordie, there's a sequence in DONT LOOK BACK, the documentary film of Dylan's 1965 UK tour when he looks at guitars in a shop window. That shop window is in Newcastle but it's not one of J G Windows's windows. Do you have any idea which shop window it might have been?
ill have a look at the documentary and get back to you on this one!!!!! cheers
it looks like a shop in Pink Lane, which is now a club called the jazz cafe. i was 5 in 1965 so i have no real knowledge of what was about music shop wise. are you sure its newcastle?
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I was expecting to see one of the Schecters but non the less very lovely documentary. Thank for the links, both stream and torrents.
Some of the facts in it, are known more than others, but they put very well altogether and John as presenter is a big + :clap
That gig in the pub is extraordinary and Monteleone is...beyond describable :o
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I was expecting to see one of the Schecters but non the less very lovely documentary. Thank for the links, both stream and torrents.
Some of the facts in it, are known more than others, but they put very well altogether and John as presenter is a big + :clap
That gig in the pub is extraordinary and Monteleone is...beyond describable :o
As is turned out, no guitar to represent the BIA period - the most important in the bands' history. The LP was the wrong one and he was mostly using Schecters all through the BIA period. Yet the Monte made it despite it being played only on one album song and never on tour at all! :hmm
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Yeah, very nice documentary. The same league as the Life In Songs one. Nice to see Mark so relaxed in his car and at home (in his garden, drinking wine with John?) But in fact there was nothing really new to us get-a-lifers, wasn't it? John stressed out that he learned a lot during the making of the show and said he has never seen the Hofner before. But all those stories, borrowed the money, borrowed the car, drove to Wales in the pouring rain, and stuff is our mantra for years... I loved the "head-shaking" thing and the dialogue about the "which furniture was it I don't know, probably one of your girlfriends" Ha ha! We had no girlfriends cause we couldn't affort them... Mark really seems to be a s down-to-earth and humble as is always said about him. Would love to meet him and talk to him the way John is able to do.
I love the manners of Steve Phillips, seems also very friendly and nice person. Pity Mark was talking so much about R&J and Steve was just sitting there, I guess I has loads of stuff to tell about MK that nobody REALLY knows...
LE
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And I loved Mark's introduction to the song at that club gig: "This was played last probably when we both had hair..." :lol
LE
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As the downloaded version comes in bluray format, I
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What really kills me:
After those snippets at the "Life In Songs" documentary, at this new one we have AGAIN some "newish looking" old stuff from the Wembley 85 show - from Sultans this time - I hope so much that this means something and that there is someone working on it and that it will released some day on DVD/Bluray...
How can they use it all the time and not realize how great it was??
LE
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What really kills me:
After those snippets at the "Life In Songs" documentary, at this new one we have AGAIN some "newish looking" old stuff from the Wembley 85 show - from Sultans this time - I hope so much that this means something and that there is someone working on it and that it will released some day on DVD/Bluray...
How can they use it all the time and not realize how great it was??
LE
One thing is for sure - we will never get a new official release now. Any release will have to be an old concert and the Alchemy re-release was proof of that. Any official release from now on will only do damage to our mans reputation and as an official DVD is a document of an artists best work, I wouldn't like to see that.
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Oh don't know. I would love to see one of the last Get Lucky Tour concerts complete and unabridged... the band was so great with Matt and Danny, the
set list was great... However, if Wembley Arena 85 would be released, I would be able to die as a happy man...
LE
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Hello Folks,
Some will think it's a stupid question... but...
Any one can tell me how to burn a bluray? I've got Toast Titanium (with the bluray plugins).
it's different from DVD ( Video_TS)
Help please :)
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Hello Folks,
Some will think it's a stupid question... but...
Any one can tell me how to burn a bluray? I've got Toast Titanium (with the bluray plugins).
it's different from DVD ( Video_TS)
Help please :)
The torrent has a txt with instructions ;D
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Hello Folks,
Some will think it's a stupid question... but...
Any one can tell me how to burn a bluray? I've got Toast Titanium (with the bluray plugins).
it's different from DVD ( Video_TS)
Help please :)
The torrent has a txt with instructions ;D
:smack Did see it lol thanks jbaent
Well i Still have troubles with Toast Titanium... I don't understand rrrrr !
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It's avaliable here for streaming, if anyone needs it :)
http://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=-1623526&id=163932778&hash=22c57d033c4d7b5c&hd=3
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The reason he held on to his first guitar is because he had slept with it! Precious!
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And they play the "got to have something" inspiration tune with Steve, at his 1937 national!
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John is playing "can't find my way home" with the Monteleone.
WOW, as you understand, I just finished watching the Documentary. It should have been at least twice the length and I would still ask for more! Of course as LE mentioned, very few new info, but seeing the men behind the guitars was as thrilling as the first time! I would expect more guitar playing and more stories, but there are not many things you can do in 45 minutes, alas.
Together with "A life in songs", are the best pieces on MK I have seen.
Let's see who's next at the Guitar stories show. Eric Clapton maybe?
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Mark is very talkative and speaks much faster than in earlier days. Although always telling the same things ;D I like that a lot. Just imagine you get into an argument with him, I guess it would be difficult to keep the last word in that case...
LE
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I think this was on a par with the Phil Cunningham one, both of which are better than A life In Songs IMO. I felt that came across as rather more of a promotional thing and very contrived. The other two were a little more spontaneous, perhaps as Mark was being interviewed by friends. As I said, just a personal opinion.
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What I liked from this video is that from introducing each guitar, they went to places that are associated with the guitars, except with the Gibson Les Paul, that its introduced at British Grove, which is a pitty because that part loose the magic...
Great to see the music shop where MK used to went when child to look at the guitars when living in Newcastle, the Pathways Studios where DS recorded their demo, great visit to Steve Phillips gig to chat about the National, so great when they go to the Rudy
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What I liked from this video is that from introducing each guitar, they went to places that are associated with the guitars, except with the Gibson Les Paul, that its introduced at British Grove, which is a pitty because that part loose the magic...
I guess they could have gone to Montserrat for the LP section, but probably wouldn't be the same...
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Is the Phil Cunningham released on DVD? Found it in three pieces in youtube 30minutes total.
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Is the Phil Cunningham released on DVD? Found it in three pieces in youtube 30minutes total.
It exists on dvd at the knopflertk tracker, but the only one released was the a life in songs one, but edited and mixed with the Privateering EPK intro in a very miserable way...
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Yes, jbaent, I have read your review. Too bad, but with the pace we are moving now, I might not be able to see it in this format anyway, so I will be having the initial joy of the TV broadcast. This one , I had to put the kids to bed and then watch it and the voice was really turn down. Thanks for the tracker info, I will look for it.
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There is a book of the DONT LOOK BACK documentary, geordie, and it gives the locations. The page reads:
NEWCASTLE
Dylan stands in front of a guitar store that is filled with electric guitars. Sign on window advertises "Subtteranean Homesicck Blues"
DYLAN: Look at this guitar, man.
PENNEBAKER: Which one?
DYLAN; This one right here. Do you believe that guitar? They don't have those guitars in the States, man. They're incredible. Twenty grand?
Pennebaker is the cinematographer and I assume "Twenty grand" is Dylan misreading a sign for 200 Pounds (in the old money, with shillings and pence, not just pence) or maybe 200 Guineas.
If you watch DONT LOOK BACK, the next two interviews in the film ("The Science Student" and "The High Sherriff's Lady") were also in Newcastle and the sequence ends with a verse from "Don't Think Twice" at Newcastle City Hall, before cutting to his arrival at Victoria Staion in Manchester. The out-takes include a sequence where he leaves Central Station in Newcastle to catch the Manchester train.
And "The Science Student" became the co-owner of the Chrysalis record company.
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around 14:43, is that pick withers??
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driving an avis rental car?
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around 14:43, is that pick withers??
Too much hair I think :D
I laughed so hard at part where Mark said "I didn't have any money and I didn't have a car, so I borrowed the car, I borrowed the money and I drove to Whales in a pouring rain".
Is that so easy in the UK? Just borrow the car and go anywhere... only if you are Mark Knopfler maybe? :)
UPD Somebody've made part2 available on youtube with lots of ads though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg00Uy5uPss
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Here is the full documentary on Youtube, someone posted it on Facebook.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvZTrhFdDg
It's always wonderful to see our man being given the respect he deserves. Really loved this documentary! Kudos to the producers and everyone involved, especially John who is such a cool and humble man. I wrote a quote from the interview that must be one of the best things that Mark has ever said:
"The guitar will be a friend to all your life. It doesn't really matter what happens, just keep playing and keep enjoying it, the music will be a friend to all your life." - Mark Knopfler
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I downloaded it yesterday!!! It is a fantastic documentary and it is always nice to see JI with MK. My opinion is that the Martin HD-40MK has more influence in MKs music than the Monteleone Isabella. :hmm What do you believe ?
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I downloaded it yesterday!!! It is a fantastic documentary and it is always nice to see JI with MK. My opinion is that the Martin HD-40MK has more influence in MKs music than the Monteleone Isabella. :hmm What do you believe ?
Yes agree
I also think that the guitars order doesn't reflect Mark's main influences
The #1 had to be the national or the 61 regarding the whole DS/MK history in terms of sounds and images
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Well....., Since I couldn't really get my sleep last night I watched it in bed on my laptop.
What a great documentary. Very nice to have John Ilsley present the whole thing.
Absolutely loved the pub-gig with Steve Phillips. Meeting up with John Monteleone was very special, a touching moment even.
That showed the special bond between the guitar builder and the guitar player. John was clearly moved by the song Mark wrote about him.
Plus how nice is it, to see John Ilsley and Mark share little stories from the old days. :)
Maaike
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I have watched this wonderful documentary straight through and absolutely love it! My favourite part is the gig at The Grosvenor in Robin Hood's Bay - a place I have been to many times. I was there for a pre- Christmas party a few years ago with Steve and The Rough Diamonds. It happened to be my husband's birthday and the gig went on 'til almost midnight. It was very memorable indeed!
I thought Mark looked very happy to be there with Steve. They seem such great friends and go back a long way. Mark's face was a picture - such a beautiful smile, it lit up the whole of his face! Nice boots too! :)
I liked the bit where they both say "Beautiful" at the same time as they travel through the gorgeous North Yorkshire countryside! :)
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Totally agree, it's a great program. Thanks for providing the links enabling those of us who couldn't see it on the telly to watch it online :clap I was enthralled all the way through and just had a big silly wide grin on my face the whole time. I found each of the six guitar stories had great resonance, absolutely loved 'em all. For two years I played my own first electric, an Antoria tele copy, through a little old reel-to-reel tape recorder, 'cos I couldn't afford an amp either! . . and it always sounded absolutely wonderful to me :lol That feeling of pride, bordering on reverence, really came across when they opened the case and took out the red strat, it was just something else. And I really felt the charge of emotion passing between the master craftsman and the player when they talked about the song that the guitar maker inspired . . think I must have got something in my eye which made it water a little! :'( ::)
Oh, and superval99, that's a nice story too . . and you are so right about the "beautiful" bit when they're heading towards Robin Hood's Bay, a gem! . . . just filled me with pride to be a North Yorkshireman! :wave
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Finally got round to watching it. I was pleased that Guitar 5/6 was included; amazing sound. Also, how Mark get's his wonderful ideas for songs; 6/6 is just another example. I wish I had known about the Pensa-Suhr Guitar shop in NY, as I would have popped in, in August.
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Yes, I thought it was Pick in the audience at the pub too.
I believe Rudy has 2 shops in New York. My Daughter had a trip there last year with a bunch of friends and when she asked if I wanted anything bringing back I asked for a guitar strap from Rudy's- She got one with Rudys logo on and half a dozen assorted picks with "Rudys Guitar Stop" & contact details stamped on them. The strap is now attached to my Pensa MK1 copy. ;D
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There is a girl in the centre of the picture at 14.56 in a pink dress, who I recognize very well from somewhere! ???
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Seen John AND David reply on this Facebook question ( to John I believe) about mark playing the sultans demo?
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I imagine that light blue Pensa would cost around
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I imagine that light blue Pensa would cost around
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Here is the full documentary on Youtube, someone posted it on Facebook.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvZTrhFdDg
It's always wonderful to see our man being given the respect he deserves. Really loved this documentary! Kudos to the producers and everyone involved, especially John who is such a cool and humble man. I wrote a quote from the interview that must be one of the best things that Mark has ever said:
"The guitar will be a friend to all your life. It doesn't really matter what happens, just keep playing and keep enjoying it, the music will be a friend to all your life." - Mark Knopfler
I honestly think that Mark Knopfler isn't just a premier Guitarist, poet and Songwriter but also a Philosopher. 8)
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Seen John AND David reply on this Facebook question ( to John I believe) about mark playing the sultans demo?
and so, what did he reply ? (I'm not on FB)
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Nice documentary, but part about Pensa is very strange. The legendary Pensa-Suhr (aka MK1) was not designed in cafe by Rudy and Mark. Nothing about John Suhr. The John's words regarding the MK1:
"I already had begun the carve, it was just something I wanted to do. I had just finished one in Alder unbound. It was actually my first bound carved top and the lack of tools at my disposal made it a real challenge, I armed myself with a Die Grinder, some sanding disks and a router and let some dust fly. When I was in the carving process Rudy decided it would be a great guitar for MK for the Mandela Concert. They went out to lunch and talked about details like Pickup color etc but otherwise it was pretty much already set in stone. Mark had some extra ideas like tapering the headstock which I explained it was too late. He also didn't like the rings not matching the pickup color and wanted Ivory color so I mounted the humbucker from the back so no ring was used. He decided the bridge should be locked to the body since he had no intention of using the trem really but enjoyed the stability of a locking setup. I used his normal 6105 fret wire and added the EMG SPC on the push pull pot, EMG SA, SA, 85, I also put a circuit in there to try and balance out the Bridge middle combo. Building it on the fly at the last minute I realized the body was too thin for the switch and have a control plate not hit it so I had to get creative by cutting down the back of the 5way switch. It was Mahogany Back, 1 Piece maple top Lacquer Colors and Polyester top coat even on the neck since it is the only top coat that would dry in 2 days. At that time Anderson was cutting our raw parts but this was not programmed yet. So basically I only had a perimeter Body and neck to work with, it was only 2D no neck shape, no body carves etc, so everything else including paint was done by me which was kind of rare since we didn't really have a spray booth intended for that. Usually we had Pat Wilkins do the paint who also used to do Andersons paint since painting in NYC was sketchy. Eventually Mark grew less fond of the guitar as the neck was slim and he started to prefer larger necks. It always had a very unique tone though through his Jim Kelley amps."
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Seen John AND David reply on this Facebook question ( to John I believe) about mark playing the sultans demo?
and so, what did he reply ? (I'm not on FB)
JF, this little dialogue was on John Illsley's facebook page:
Someone asked "Did Mark finish playing along to the entire demo of sultans?"
John answered "there is quite a bit of film on the cutting room floor !! Mark played along to the first few minutes of the track."
Surprisingly, David Knopfler also answered at the same thread: "He certainly did back in 1977"
Which was quite unexpected and shows a) David is facebook friend of John Illsley ;D and b) David has obviously been interested in the Guitar Stories documentary!
LE
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Seen John AND David reply on this Facebook question ( to John I believe) about mark playing the sultans demo?
and so, what did he reply ? (I'm not on FB)
JF, this little dialogue was on John Illsley's facebook page:
Someone asked "Did Mark finish playing along to the entire demo of sultans?"
John answered "there is quite a bit of film on the cutting room floor !! Mark played along to the first few minutes of the track."
Surprisingly, David Knopfler also answered at the same thread: "He certainly did back in 1977"
Which was quite unexpected and shows a) David is facebook friend of John Illsley ;D and b) David has obviously been interested in the Guitar Stories documentary!
LE
many thanks :)
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I downloaded it yesterday!!! It is a fantastic documentary and it is always nice to see JI with MK. My opinion is that the Martin HD-40MK has more influence in MKs music than the Monteleone Isabella. :hmm What do you believe ?
Yes agree
I also think that the guitars order doesn't reflect Mark's main influences
The #1 had to be the national or the 61 regarding the whole DS/MK history in terms of sounds and images
sorry for this comment.
by seing the trailers, I thought that the number was the order of "importance"
by starting watching the whole documentary (not finished yet) I understood, it was in fact the chronological order of guitars, sot it's correct
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Absolutely loved this documentary!
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Looks like we've all agreed on something at last! ;D
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Seen John AND David reply on this Facebook question ( to John I believe) about mark playing the sultans demo?
and so, what did he reply ? (I'm not on FB)
JF, this little dialogue was on John Illsley's facebook page:
Someone asked "Did Mark finish playing along to the entire demo of sultans?"
John answered "there is quite a bit of film on the cutting room floor !! Mark played along to the first few minutes of the track."
Surprisingly, David Knopfler also answered at the same thread: "He certainly did back in 1977"
Which was quite unexpected and shows a) David is facebook friend of John Illsley ;D and b) David has obviously been interested in the Guitar Stories documentary!
LE
many thanks :)
and C) DK has a good sense of humour too ;D
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Yes, very poor that John Suhr got no mention, I seem to recall that Rudy even muttered that he built it.
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Some days ago I saw Guitar Stories on Youtube and I LOVED it. I`ve never been interested in guitars before but now I heard that every guitar of MK has its totally different sound. Maybe I have to explain : I have never played any instruments, so that was really new to me... now I understand why some of you write a lot about guitars here in the forum !
And I have a guitar-question now : Does anybody knows, what guitar M uses in Bluebird ??? Still - after a million times listening - my favourite ;D
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Some days ago I saw Guitar Stories on Youtube and I LOVED it. I`ve never been interested in guitars before but now I heard that every guitar of MK has its totally different sound. Maybe I have to explain : I have never played any instruments, so that was really new to me... now I understand why some of you write a lot about guitars here in the forum !
And I have a guitar-question now : Does anybody knows, what guitar M uses in Bluebird ??? Still - after a million times listening - my favourite ;D
welcome in guitar freaks world Mona dee ! :D
we are waiting for Guy's information, but my guess is the Gibson ES 330 (like on Behind with the rent) or 335 (like on Baloney again, the one on the pic inside the STP booklet)
you can see some pics here :
http://www.guyfletcher.co.uk/index.php/getluckyrecording2009/March_2009_Update (http://www.guyfletcher.co.uk/index.php/getluckyrecording2009/March_2009_Update)
it also could be the Les paul 58
what is "sure", is that it's not a strat or a tele
to simplify : fender guitars (stratocasters, telecasters ....) have single coils pick-ups, so bright and "clear" sound, while gison guitars (Les Paul, SG, ES...) have double coil pick-ups so "round", "fat" sound.
of course, it's a litlle bit more complicated, and sometimes it's hard to know for sure which kind of guitar you hear
I tried to compil all gear used on all albums here :
http://www.mk-guitar.com/gear-on-all-songs-for-all-albums-wiki/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/gear-on-all-songs-for-all-albums-wiki/)
it's lot of speculations, discussion with other guitar freaks, infos taken on itw, etc...
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I work in school. This semester we have a British teacher Mr. Thrower in our school who teaches students English. He said he used to be the IT teacher of Ben Knopfler. And he saw Ben's father once in the parent meeting in the boarding school where Ben studied in at that time. And Mr. Thrower even played the first steel guitar of Mark, the National, gaven to Ben. How small the world is! And today I showed him this video. He immediately brought back some sweet memories.
Wishes
Allen
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I tried to compil all gear used on all albums here :
http://www.mk-guitar.com/gear-on-all-songs-for-all-albums-wiki/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/gear-on-all-songs-for-all-albums-wiki/)
it's lot of speculations, discussion with other guitar freaks, infos taken on itw, etc...
Great work you, Ingo and others are doing!!!
Wishes
Allen
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JF, thanks for your explanations...I heard the snippets that Mark played on the different guitars and I can say, that I have my favourits now, although : every single guitar matches obviously with different songs. But my favourit guitars after watching the Guitar Stories are the Gibson Les Paul und the Monteleone. So your thoughts, that on BB he is playing maybe the Les Paul goes with my feelings about song and guitar !
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When I first watched it I didn't understand why he picked the Monteleone instead of his Martin Signature which is much more used and useful. Then I saw it for the second time, then for the third time and then again and again, and finally perceived how emotional that bit is, a perfect ending for the show.
I truly hope the show will continue. That would be awesome to see John interviewing other aces.
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Finally I managed to watch the documentary. It put a lot of smiles on my face. :) :) :) I love it. I wish it was a lot longer than 45 minutes.
I really LOVE the red strat. It's soooooo gorgeous. I saw Mark play it right in front of me in SF. I could never forget the beauty of that guitar.
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I just feel surprised that Mark still kept his first guitar so well. I threw away my first toy right after I got my second one. hahahha
Wishes
Allen
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Finally I managed to watch the documentary. It put a lot of smiles on my face. :) :) :) I love it. I wish it was a lot longer than 45 minutes.
I really LOVE the red strat. It's soooooo gorgeous. I saw Mark play it right in front of me in SF. I could never forget the beauty of that guitar.
sorry to disappoint you, but the guitar you saw live is NOT the guitar you saw in guitar stories
the red strat Mark is now playing live is the fender signature model, released around 2003 :
http://www.mk-guitar.com/mark-knopfler-gear-database/mark-knopfler-signature-strat-se-00000/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/mark-knopfler-gear-database/mark-knopfler-signature-strat-se-00000/)
or at least, one of his several sig strats :
http://www.mk-guitar.com/2012/03/08/they-all-look-the-same-how-to-tell-mark-knopflers-different-signature-strats-apart/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2012/03/08/they-all-look-the-same-how-to-tell-mark-knopflers-different-signature-strats-apart/)
the red strat from 1961 Mark is playing in the documentary is the real thing : it's one fo his 2 first fender strats he played during 77-79 era :
http://www.mk-guitar.com/mark-knopfler-gear-database/fender-stratocaster-1961/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/mark-knopfler-gear-database/fender-stratocaster-1961/)
He got this first one (with rosewood neck) around 1976 or early 1977.
At first, it was natural wood finish :
http://www.mk-guitar.com/2012/06/12/new-picture-of-the-sultans-strat-before-being-refinished-to-red/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2012/06/12/new-picture-of-the-sultans-strat-before-being-refinished-to-red/)
It features on sultans demos, and all demos from july to late 77
It was refinished in red during summer 78
at the end of 77, he got his 2nd red strat (with maple neck), the one you can see in e.g. rockpalast or sultans and WWE video clips
it's also the one Ed Bicknell jumped in at their first meeting (see the story in he Oldfield book) :
http://www.mk-guitar.com/mark-knopfler-gear-database/fender-stratocaster-1962/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/mark-knopfler-gear-database/fender-stratocaster-1962/)
he used both during 78-79 live and studio recordings, so we can't say for sur which one is ued on whici recording, but Ingo tried to figure out :
http://www.mk-guitar.com/2008/08/12/early-dire-straits-when-was-which-of-the-two-red-fenders-used/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2008/08/12/early-dire-straits-when-was-which-of-the-two-red-fenders-used/)
Sorry, but can't stop talking about these beauties :)
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Finally I managed to watch the documentary. It put a lot of smiles on my face. :) :) :) I love it. I wish it was a lot longer than 45 minutes.
I really LOVE the red strat. It's soooooo gorgeous. I saw Mark play it right in front of me in SF. I could never forget the beauty of that guitar.
I've been playing the guitar since I was something like 14. As for me personally, I am certainly a Fender girl. A strat or a tele will do for me.
It's only a shame I can't pay for an original strat or tele with the salary of a secretary, but I currently am doing ok with a reasonable mid-class copy of a strat (a Yamaha Pacifica).
On the other hand, maybe it's a good idea to keep track of good second hand deals, you never know what you'll find........
Who knows....., maybe I'll find my dream guitar that way. ;D
But about Guitar Stories, it made me smile that even someone like Mark actually kept his very first guitar.
I'm sure there are so many good teenage/young adult memories attached to that first guitar. ;D
I still have my first electric guitar and maybe, when he's old enough, I'll use it to teach my nephew how to play (if he wants to learn off course).
He's only 6 years old now, so who knows, maybe someday, when the time is right........
Maaike
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I just feel surprised that Mark still kept his first guitar so well. I threw away my first toy right after I got my second one. hahahha
Wishes
Allen
I still have my first acoustic nylon guitar, and my first electric guitar : a red strat replica made by "Hondo" (I think corean guitars)
I don't use it anymore, but I will keep it to death for sure :)
I was surprised that Mark did'nt use his first guitar for the KTGC promo/booklet photos sessions.
Why did he take another one, while he got his own one ?
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JF, so with your "trained eye" - is the one Mark fetches out of the case ("here she is") REALLY the original one from 1961 or is it a signature one? I think she looks spectacular fresh and new, really not like 50 years old... and as there are some other "minor" mistakes in this documentary, maybe they screw us with this one, too?
LE
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JF, I know that you want your facts straight, but you've ruined it for sweetsurrender!
I for one think that it is not the guitar, but the player, but have tried to live the dream with a Squire Stratocaster model, and not a red one! Started too late with very little time and money to spend on, so novice for ever!
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btw, it took me ages, JF, that you did NOT mean a song with "used on whici recording" - but that it should mean "used on WHICH recording" :smack - blimey, with all those song abbreviations lately (set list stuff), I was thinking for literally 3 minutes .... whici?? Whici??? :hmm (what have I could I got I used to could do... :hmm nearly got my brain damaged by this riddle)
Sorry, it is still early on a rainy Monday morning.. :lol
LE
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If Sweetsurrender had a wonderful experience seeing MK close-up in front of her, playing beautiful music on a beautiful red strat, does it really matter which model of red strat it is! It is definitely the guitarist who matters most to me! :)
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Yes these abreviations are for strong puzzle crackers! My favourite is PONO, an easy one, but sounds like the Greek word for "hurt/ache" (pono') .
I usually write the whole title when there is no reference on previous posts, just above mine. And it gets more complicated for the songs that don't get mentioned that often (DTTW, ITG, INR, TMTS, RATR, YLT etc). I don't think that finding them instantly is a fan indication, but surely it is a good brain workout for altzheimers. ;D
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Yes these abreviations are for strong puzzle crackers! My favourite is PONO, an easy one, but sounds like the Greek word for "hurt/ache" (pono') .
I usually write the whole title when there is no reference on previous posts, just above mine. And it gets more complicated for the songs that don't get mentioned that often (DTTW, ITG, INR, TMTS, RATR, YLT etc). I don't think that finding them instantly is a fan indication, but surely it is a good brain workout for altzheimers. ;D
:lol vgonis, you made me laugh on such a grey Monday morning! I really struggle with all these abbreviations and spend lots of time wading through all of my CDs to find the answers. For example, I have no idea what the abbreviations mean in your post, so I must start doing a bit of brain exercise immediately to ward off altzheimers - then I will resort to the CD rack! ;D
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I just feel surprised that Mark still kept his first guitar so well. I threw away my first toy right after I got my second one. hahahha
Wishes
Allen
I recall that before Kill to get crimson got release, we heard/read that David Knopfler sold a guitar exactly like that and everybody thought that for any reason, David had MK first guitar, and he sold it...
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Hold on! Don't run to your CD rack just yet! I will try to dicipher them for you, if I can remember them!
Planet of New Orleans
Down to the waterline
In the Gallery
It never rains
The man's too strong
Ride across the river
Your latest trick.
Thank God most of them where from BiA album (I think this one is easy)!
It is gloomy in Athens as well but with south winds blowing and 22 C, temprature! It might rain, it might not, so the gloomy feeling has other origins.It started yesterday so it was Gloomy Sunday. What a song! And what a story behind it! From wikipedia:
In January 1968, some 35 years after writing the song, its composer Rezs? Seress did commit suicide. He survived jumping out of a window in Budapest, but later in the hospital choked himself to death with a wire.[22]
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I managed all of them, using my brain I am pleased to say, except for INR, for that I headed down to the CD rack! ;D That was a VERY gloomy story btw!
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JF, so with your "trained eye" - is the one Mark fetches out of the case ("here she is") REALLY the original one from 1961 or is it a signature one? I think she looks spectacular fresh and new, really not like 50 years old... and as there are some other "minor" mistakes in this documentary, maybe they screw us with this one, too?
LE
Well, the case is the same I've got with my signature. Pick ups really look like Texas Special (magnets at center are higher than magnets at sides). It looks like brand new. IMHO actually "she" is a Signature on the video.
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Bravo Val! That actually proves you are a fan and have a solid brain!
Oh, but it rains all the time, doesn't it? ;)
One of my absolute favourite DS songs. Almost dark, his lyrics so universal and gloomy, (I think I could spot some references to "All about Eve" movie, but I have to see it again to remember which-one of them but too general anyway is the "you screw people over on the way up, cause you thought that you were never coming down") and the extended solo exit, one of the greatest and least played live. Too bad! It started raining here too. A shy rain.
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Bravo Val! That actually proves you are a fan and have a solid brain!
Oh, but it rains all the time, doesn't it? ;)
One of my absolute favourite DS songs. Almost dark, his lyrics so universal and gloomy, (I think I could spot some references to "All about Eve" movie, but I have to see it again to remember which-one of them but too general anyway is the "you screw people over on the way up, cause you thought that you were never coming down") and the extended solo exit, one of the greatest and least played live. Too bad! It started raining here too. A shy rain.
I love that solo, it's amazing and definitely one I would like to hear played live, but I doubt very much it will ever happen. He sounds so Dylanesque, too, on this song!
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Yes, the way the lyrics unravel is probably the most Dylanesque song.
It is peculiar really, because I was watching a film the other day and I realized that especially in the USA they have been using these abreviations for so long and for so many things, that the actual language which is by nature a schematic/encoded way to convey meanings, gets more encoded and finally not only we don't remember the original words, but this "veil" falls over the meaning as well. In effect, we have something that is named but not with its actual name, so in a way obvious but hidden at the same time and the psycological effect is greater for the hidden/unknown. CIA, FBI, NSA etc. Of course these names are common, we all know what they mean, and that is why the effect is greater!
btw, imho, fbi, is fo.
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Yes, the way the lyrics unravel is probably the most Dylanesque song.
It is peculiar really, because I was watching a film the other day and I realized that especially in the USA they have been using these abreviations for so long and for so many things, that the actual language which is by nature a schematic/encoded way to convey meanings, gets more encoded and finally not only we don't remember the original words, but this "veil" falls over the meaning as well. In effect, we have something that is named but not with its actual name, so in a way obvious but hidden at the same time and the psycological effect is greater for the hidden/unknown. CIA, FBI, NSA etc. Of course these names are common, we all know what they mean, and that is why the effect is greater!
btw, imho, fbi, is fo.
FBI, CIA they're all in the same alphabet soup!
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Yeah, Soup! Great for this kind of weather! ;D
I miss J Edgar Hoover, though I never met him! ;D
FBI is for internal, CIA is for external ( ;) ) and NSA stands for "Not such Agency" . Remember the Redford movie "Sneakers"? In the end they ask for favours from a CIA high rank officer, and the blind one asks for peace on earth. The reply is fantastic:" We are the CIA, we don't such things"!
btw Val, do you watch the Simpsons? The other day you used the famous Bart saying:"Damn if you do, damned if you don't".
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btw Val, do you watch the Simpsons? The other day you used the famous Bart saying:"Damn if you do, damned if you don't".
No, I have never watched The Simpsons, but the phrase I used, "He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't" is quite common in the UK, meaning whatever he decides to do will be wrong - you can't please everybody! :-\
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JF, so with your "trained eye" - is the one Mark fetches out of the case ("here she is") REALLY the original one from 1961 or is it a signature one? I think she looks spectacular fresh and new, really not like 50 years old... and as there are some other "minor" mistakes in this documentary, maybe they screw us with this one, too?
LE
Well, the case is the same I've got with my signature. Pick ups really look like Texas Special (magnets at center are higher than magnets at sides). It looks like brand new. IMHO actually "she" is a Signature on the video.
No, it's the real 61' strat on the video :look at the headstock or the pickguard, you can see the marks of time, and no signature on the headstock.
But I think that the body has been re-refinished since this picture :
(http://www.mk-guitar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/rosewood-90ies-700.jpg)
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JF, so with your "trained eye" - is the one Mark fetches out of the case ("here she is") REALLY the original one from 1961 or is it a signature one? I think she looks spectacular fresh and new, really not like 50 years old... and as there are some other "minor" mistakes in this documentary, maybe they screw us with this one, too?
LE
Well, the case is the same I've got with my signature. Pick ups really look like Texas Special (magnets at center are higher than magnets at sides). It looks like brand new. IMHO actually "she" is a Signature on the video.
Well, my eyes are not very well trained but I say the one MK played in the documentary is definitely the real deal from 1961. It's well maintained but the yellowish pickguard shows the signs of wear. I'm sure there are other details giving it away.
stratocasteph beats me ;)
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OK, sorry in advance for the long post
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Water OL and Walk OL. No end of misery for naming files on my computer. :disbelief
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And as I have stated before, the best WoL is Water of Love!
I know what you mean when you refer to old guitars. It is the close to the spring feeling. The older the more genuine and closer to the original dream. With my limited knowledge, I have only one disagreement. Fender started this thing, in order to build cheap yet reliable electric guitars, so that every home can afford and have one. The Stratocaster guitar has become a fetish item with unique sound, more than any other guitar, and suddenly we have several different models and very high prices, when production is higher that that of the 50ies and 60ies. This I understand, but i can't find the logic.
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If Sweetsurrender had a wonderful experience seeing MK close-up in front of her, playing beautiful music on a beautiful red strat, does it really matter which model of red strat it is! It is definitely the guitarist who matters most to me! :)
It's so very true. It's MK that matters ! :D :thumbsup :clap. I'd better stop there, before I turn it into yet another drooling thread. I really couldn't tell the difference. But I really appreciate tidbits of info, though . Now, do we know why Mark doesn't play with the first red strat any more?
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Yes these abreviations are for strong puzzle crackers! My favourite is PONO, an easy one, but sounds like the Greek word for "hurt/ache" (pono') .
I usually write the whole title when there is no reference on previous posts, just above mine. And it gets more complicated for the songs that don't get mentioned that often (DTTW, ITG, INR, TMTS, RATR, YLT etc). I don't think that finding them instantly is a fan indication, but surely it is a good brain workout for altzheimers. ;D
It got me thinking hard. PONO ? what song?
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Planet of New Orleans. the best song with the pensa guitar sound.
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I loved seeing the 61 Strat on the vid, so beautiful.
Makes me want one... :)
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Quote from JF:
"The sig strat is just...well a fender guitar built in serial just some years ago...nothing special to me, appart it is played by Mark"
I dont think so somehow!! I guess you haven't played one then?
One of mine incidentally is 'on loan' to a guitarist friend and he has played and recorded with a lot of fenders/guitars like myself and we both absolutley adore the MK Strat - Oooooh the sound, the playability, the look, the feel.... etc!!!
Each to their own I guess - but if you get a chance to have a go on an 'MK' strat - go for it!
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I know what you mean when you refer to old guitars. It is the close to the spring feeling. The older the more genuine and closer to the original dream.
yes exactly, and I would add : it's about the "spirit"
I think that choosing to play on an old "unique" instrument is not the same "artistic spirit" (sorry for my poor english, but I hope you get what I mean) than playing on a recent "serial" instrument
during 80's and early 90s, most of musicians were playing on synths, modern guitars and amps, etc...
Mark and DS were in this stream : schecter, and later pensa with soldano, ovation for acoustic, Guy played on synths, etc...
Gilmour put EMG pickups on his red strat, using modern pedal boards, Clapton dropped Blackie for his sig model, and so on...
But then, in the mid 90, musicians were back too their roots with "vintage" instruments :
Grunge bands were using odl guitars and amps, Gilmour used the big muff again, and later the black strat, synths almost disapeared while the B3 came back, and of course Mark dropped the reissue Les Paul for real 58 and 59 ones, he used "real" acoustic guitars (Martin, gibson) rather than "plastic" ones (like the Ovation), and later the Danelectro, the Speisco, even the EKO for Sonny liston in studio
he brought back the 61 strat, and on STP tour, Mike Henderson played some old guitars too, with a notable vintage "dirty" sound, far away from the over produced OES/OTN distinctive sound.
Look at Guy's studio diaries, and you can see all of these gems : old harmonium, old hammond organ, glenn's double bass from 19th century...
I think it's not just about the guitar model, it's about the artistic sense of your record, of your sound. The 80s and early 90 have sounded quite "artificial" fro many listeners, and the back to vintage instruments was also to go back to music roots, to music soul.
At least, that's how I understand it.
I would find strange if Mark would have played those blues of his last album tunes on a pensa with a soldano. Of course, many listeners wouldn't have heard the difference, but as Mark wanted to sound "root", "chicago blues", he HAD TO play on a vintage model.
Of course, it's also a matter of production. I agree that the sound isn't all in the guitar, but it's an important key I think.
Now, do we know why Mark doesn't play with the first red strat any more?
Well it's a thing I don't really understand. he still play and bring on the road : 58 and 59 LP, 54 strat, Danelectro...all these guitars cost a fortune (especially the LP), but for his distinctive clean sound (THE sound that made him famous) he prefers to play on the sig model, while he got a stradivarius....I just don't get it
I dont think so somehow!! I guess you haven't played one then?
One of mine incidentally is 'on loan' to a guitarist friend and he has played and recorded with a lot of fenders/guitars like myself and we both absolutley adore the MK Strat - Oooooh the sound, the playability, the look, the feel.... etc!!!
Each to their own I guess - but if you get a chance to have a go on an 'MK' strat - go for it!
I'm sure it's a great guitar, it sounds nice, it's well manufactured,etc...
But I guess that if I had 2300
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Your posts are so vivid JF! Thank you!
Do you have an opinion about the other subject about pricing of guitars that I mention in the same post? It really troubles me and I don't want to "solve" it by applying the same general rule of supply and demand, because it simply doesn't work. I know that Fender sold his part for many years and then got back, but I just wonder about the combination of quality/price/number of produced guitars/original idea behind the first bunch of production. I understand that since they have become fetish they fetch high prices for being old but why the new ones that are overproduced are so expensive. (Don't say the lack of fine material, or expensive labour and so on.) I may have the whole picture wrong (I got the strato 50 year book) but something doesn't add up, IMHO.
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JF, so with your "trained eye" - is the one Mark fetches out of the case ("here she is") REALLY the original one from 1961 or is it a signature one? I think she looks spectacular fresh and new, really not like 50 years old... and as there are some other "minor" mistakes in this documentary, maybe they screw us with this one, too?
LE
yeah, you're right, there are some well identified scratches on the pickguard. Sure the body has been refinished. You cant' see the headstock while Mark is playing, just at the end of the video section but.... she's definitley the real thing.
Well, the case is the same I've got with my signature. Pick ups really look like Texas Special (magnets at center are higher than magnets at sides). It looks like brand new. IMHO actually "she" is a Signature on the video.
Well, my eyes are not very well trained but I say the one MK played in the documentary is definitely the real deal from 1961. It's well maintained but the yellowish pickguard shows the signs of wear. I'm sure there are other details giving it away.
stratocasteph beats me ;)
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Your posts are so vivid JF! Thank you!
Do you have an opinion about the other subject about pricing of guitars that I mention in the same post? It really troubles me and I don't want to "solve" it by applying the same general rule of supply and demand, because it simply doesn't work. I know that Fender sold his part for many years and then got back, but I just wonder about the combination of quality/price/number of produced guitars/original idea behind the first bunch of production. I understand that since they have become fetish they fetch high prices for being old but why the new ones that are overproduced are so expensive. (Don't say the lack of fine material, or expensive labour and so on.) I may have the whole picture wrong (I got the strato 50 year book) but something doesn't add up, IMHO.
Thanks, my english is not good, but I try to explain what I think :)
you are right about the original purpose of Leo Fender.
But the stratocaster has become the most iconic guitar in rock history, and it could explain (a little bit) why it so demanded, and sometimes so expensive, and you are right : most of old models have become fetish due to their role in rock music.
about the new ones, I'm not sure that they are so expensive, I'd rather say that the price has decreased a little bit over last years :
- in early 90is, I couldn't afford one, the "standard model" was around 5500-6000 FF, which is around 900
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Thanks JF! I really think that it is a bit overpriced anyway. I have come across this:
http://www.strat-talk.com/forum/stratocaster-discussion-forum/10653-original-stratocaster-prices.html
which actually agrees with your point of view. When I went to buy a strato, I found out that the USA made had close to 1700Euros and the mexican one 1400Euros. I couldn't even afford the mexican, it meant back then (2008) almost two months salaries. I ended up with a squier from India for 300Euros. (had to buy a basic pedal and an amp, as well. Couldn't afford to blow my stereo!) I can see and hear the flaws and try to adjust and avoid the sort of playing that makes them very audible and it is a drag. I don't mind that much, I don't have much time anyway. But I still think that the way it is mass produced, should have brought the prices down, both in relative and in real price terms.
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Eric Clapton mentioned in his biography, about his blackie, that it was a mix of several guitars. Fender Guitars were so cheap in that moment that he bought some (three or four) and he built (or he made built for him) his blackie with pieces of all that Fender he bought...
About the MK Guitar Signature, I have a friend that built his own guitars buying pieces, he bought his MK Signature buy was very unhappy with it when playing, so he decided to sell it, and built his own MK signature with expecifications that suited him better, actually he was very unhappy with the neck and the guitar he made sounds really great...
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Eric Clapton mentioned in his biography, about his blackie, that it was a mix of several guitars. Fender Guitars were so cheap in that moment that he bought some (three or four) and he built (or he made built for him) his blackie with pieces of all that Fender he bought...
About the MK Guitar Signature, I have a friend that built his own guitars buying pieces, he bought his MK Signature buy was very unhappy with it when playing, so he decided to sell it, and built his own MK signature with expecifications that suited him better, actually he was very unhappy with the neck and the guitar he made sounds really great...
yes right for Blackie. In late 60ies there wasn't yet the "vintagemania", so strats were cheap.
I guess it was three 50's stratos for making Blackie, while Brownie is a "one piece" guitar, from 59 if memory serves.
But the LP he used with the bluesbreakers and Cream (and which was stoled) was an "old" LP (frome 50s) not from the curent time, like e.g. Richards with his 68 custom.
In fact LP from late 50ies cost a fortune beacuse they really sounds great, due to their pickups and wood. Page played also lot on a 59 LP.
http://www.mk-guitar.com/?s=PAF&x=39&y=4 (http://www.mk-guitar.com/?s=PAF&x=39&y=4)
http://www.mk-guitar.com/2008/11/27/sunburst-and-unburst-les-pauls-from-the-late-50ies/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2008/11/27/sunburst-and-unburst-les-pauls-from-the-late-50ies/)
http://www.mk-guitar.com/2012/02/18/the-haussel-1959-pickups-for-the-mark-knopfler-les-paul-sound/ (http://www.mk-guitar.com/2012/02/18/the-haussel-1959-pickups-for-the-mark-knopfler-les-paul-sound/)
About the MK sig, I've never understood why he decided to put texas specila PU on it. It's so unKnopflerish. the texias special PU were made famous after SRV'style, not the same as Mark....
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Planet of New Orleans. the best song with the pensa guitar sound.
Thanks, Now I feel better. Absolutely agreed. Love the song !
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Planet of New Orleans. the best song with the pensa guitar sound.
Thanks, Now I feel better. Absolutely agreed. Love the song !
I'll second that (or third it :hmm). I remember coming out of the concert in '91 thinking that was the highlight of the entire night - a song that sounded much better at the concert than on any bootleg. Quite an achievement when they played TOL too!
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I have troubles with the Guitar stories download.
On la.knopfler-tk, every time I want to connect, even with a new account, my account is denied : 'This account has been disabled by an administrator.'
And with the other torrent, for the file Guitar.Stories.Mark.Knopfler.SkyArts1.mkv, the download is stopped at 66.6% and no more sources...
So, what can I do? ???