A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: zeusjazmin on October 05, 2012, 05:22:34 PM
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hi folks,with the ever growing number of solo albums piling up do you think we will ever see a mk concert without any straits stuff at all?
for me i hope it never happens but knowing mk desire to look forward all the time i think it will eventually happen.
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MK has said in recent interviews that he can't imagine concerts without the classics. Because if he for instance doesn't play the "twiddly bits" in Sultans people would go nuts or get pissed or both.
So the answer is (and will hopefully forever be) - no.
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I would certainly go to see a concert without DS songs. But I think that the majority of people are craving for DS songs. So if the word spreads that he does not play them, we will see many half empty halls. Don't judge from us. We are get - a - lifer-s. ;D
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i hope there will always be straits songs on every tour,there are so many songs not played live from band and solo that i would love to hear.
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I would certainly go to see a concert without DS songs. But I think that the majority of people are craving for DS songs. So if the word spreads that he does not play them, we will see many half empty halls. Don't judge from us. We are get - a - lifer-s. ;D
I will, humble as a man can be 8) 8) 8), quote a message of myself that I've stated in another similar topic:
I was reading this topic from the beggining and was thinking about the average gig-goer, who is not a die-hard fan and just want to listen to the songs MK is known for. A show for members of this list would've to be a incredible mix of never played before gems and extended versions of some of the new album. But I turn to the average guy and if he goes to a MK gig and doesn't listen to anything on the mood of MfN, BiA, TR or ToL, R&J, WoL, SoS, he will return home and never again will take a glimpse at anything the man is doing in the future. Perhaps he'll also break some old DS cds in disgust.
So I think that MK is in dire straits coz he has to please three kinds os expectations in his tours. Firstly, he has to do it for himself. Rudiger and Done with Bonaparte maybe are the best examples of this fulfilment. Secondly, for the primary fans, to whom he always plays new stuff or extended versions. And thirdly, but not least, he has to play something to the people who don't follow his solo career and are waiting to hear the oldies goldies. And I guess these are the majority of people to pops up in a show.
So, when some of us vote for the exclusion of all the biggest hits in favour of obscure tunes, I fear for the success of the gig. It would be heaven for the die hard fans? Yes indeed. But it wouldn't satisfy more than a half of the crowd.
As for me, I live in a country 8.000 km away from the closest gig. In the few shows I was able to attend (two of them in my homecountry, Brazil), I was expecting to see the man playing SoS, MfN, BiA, ToL, TR, R&J, SFA, WoL. If he had dropped it all, I would grow old mourning that I never heard him play the music that made him famous.
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I agree nababo. For one of my concerts, my brother and his wife will be accompanying us and they are really only on nodding terms with Mark's solo work and I know it would be a huge disappointment for them if they didn't hear some of the most well-known DS songs, particularly TR, SOS and R & J, so I hope for people like them he will continue to play these songs. :)
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I would be very happy to go to a concert and hear all DS songs and no solo songs! I'm not saying they're rubbish, but being honest the DS stuff is what I fell in love with and I'll always love that best. In fact Speedway is probably the highlight of any MK show these days.
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I honestly don't think Sultans, Romeo & Juliet or Brothers In Arms will ever be dropped from his set list. Whilst I would hate it to happen I just wonder if Telegraph RD will one day be dropped. I hope not... Amazing Song
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I would be very happy to go to a concert and hear all DS songs and no solo songs! I'm not saying they're rubbish, but being honest the DS stuff is what I fell in love with and I'll always love that best. In fact Speedway is probably the highlight of any MK show these days.
You should go see The Straits ;)
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I would be very happy to go to a concert and hear all DS songs and no solo songs! I'm not saying they're rubbish, but being honest the DS stuff is what I fell in love with and I'll always love that best. In fact Speedway is probably the highlight of any MK show these days.
You should go see The Straits ;)
I have principles! ;)
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He did a concert without Straits songs, in Dublin 2011, touring with Bob Dylan, he didnt play any DS songs... But then the next concert he did, and went playing DS songs during the rest of that tour, so that show was the only one.
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I would be very happy to go to a concert and hear all DS songs and no solo songs! I'm not saying they're rubbish, but being honest the DS stuff is what I fell in love with and I'll always love that best. In fact Speedway is probably the highlight of any MK show these days.
You should go see The Straits ;)
...but going to The Straits would mean, not to hear Speedway (highlight of every show) because Speedway is from his solo-album... or do The Straits play songs from Marks solo albums, too ?
To be honest, I would love to see a concert only with solo-songs, and maybe at a smaller venue, yes, that must be so great :D
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I just wanna see him play, no matter which songs...
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I just wanna see him play, no matter which songs...
Amen! Of the people that go to see MK solo shows (not opening for Bob)..I would estimate that about 85-90% of that crowd are get-a lifers...just like us..and would know every song in the set list..regardless the songs being DS or MK solo. As for the occasional a-holes who decide (unwisely) to shout out "PLAY MONEY FOR NUTHIN" (like the idiot next to me in 2008 did during "Marbletown")...most of the aforementioned would probably do like I would...turn to the offender and tell them quietly but tersely to..shut the fuck up. SOS will never be dropped..it was his first big break..and both R&J and BIA are just too important to him.
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I just wanna see him play, no matter which songs...
Amen! Of the people that go to see MK solo shows (not opening for Bob)..I would estimate that about 85-90% of that crowd are get-a lifers...just like us..and would know every song in the set list..regardless the songs being DS or MK solo. As for the occasional a-holes who decide (unwisely) to shout out "PLAY MONEY FOR NUTHIN" (like the idiot next to me in 2008 did during "Marbletown")...most of the aforementioned would probably do like I would...turn to the offender and tell them quietly but tersely to..shut the fuck up. SOS will never be dropped..it was his first big break..and both R&J and BIA are just too important to him.
Beg to differ. I know that the percentage is rather 30% get-a-lifers, 70% for various reasons:
a)want to see a living legend, before he leaves the building
b)guitar aficionados
c)DS old fans
d)The "better half" or kids that go out to see what sort of music their not so good half / parents like
e) rock fans who have heard his latest album but wish for the good old times
and the list goes on.
Maybe we can ask for a test trial! ;D But really it doesn't matter for us, we would go anyway.
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The important point is that he plays songs I like. Some are DS ones, some are solo career ones.
But most important is that he does NOT play the ones I can't stand for various reason. There some DS stuff in the list and solo stuff as well.
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The important point is that he plays songs I like. Some are DS ones, some are solo career ones.
But most important is that he does NOT play the ones I can't stand for various reason. There some DS stuff in the list and solo stuff as well.
I have a small issue with the DS ones he plays; he plays these for the tourist. This means we get songs like BIA, SFA, R&J all the time. The hard-core fans such as ourselves would (may I suggest) prefer to hear other songs once in a while. I suppose it's hard to please everyone but I think we'd all be happy to have Sultans left in.
The solo stuff is fine and quite rightly, it should now be a mix.
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I would be very happy to go to a concert and hear all DS songs and no solo songs! I'm not saying they're rubbish, but being honest the DS stuff is what I fell in love with and I'll always love that best. In fact Speedway is probably the highlight of any MK show these days.
You should go see The Straits ;)
I have principles! ;)
hahahahahaha me too 8)
Lol, in all honesty what a great position for MK to be in to have such a wide catalogue of amazing songs to pick :)
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I must also add, I'd hate for BIA to ever be dropped as It is one of the greatest songs ever written imo. Always so sublime live too. Great atmosphere :)
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I just wanna see him play, no matter which songs...
Amen! Of the people that go to see MK solo shows (not opening for Bob)..I would estimate that about 85-90% of that crowd are get-a lifers...just like us..and would know every song in the set list..regardless the songs being DS or MK solo. As for the occasional a-holes who decide (unwisely) to shout out "PLAY MONEY FOR NUTHIN" (like the idiot next to me in 2008 did during "Marbletown")...most of the aforementioned would probably do like I would...turn to the offender and tell them quietly but tersely to..shut the fuck up. SOS will never be dropped..it was his first big break..and both R&J and BIA are just too important to him.
Beg to differ. I know that the percentage is rather 30% get-a-lifers, 70% for various reasons:
a)want to see a living legend, before he leaves the building
b)guitar aficionados
c)DS old fans
d)The "better half" or kids that go out to see what sort of music their not so good half / parents like
e) rock fans who have heard his latest album but wish for the good old times
and the list goes on.
Maybe we can ask for a test trial! ;D But really it doesn't matter for us, we would go anyway.
Totlly agree. There are many die-hard fans, but we are spread all over Europe and, of course, the barbarian outside world. Not enough to sell out every show. The great majority goes to see the-man-who-used-to-wear-a-headband-and-plays-that-rocky-tunes. So the probability of hearing a conehead shouting "play wake of life" is very, very huge.
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I just wanna see him play, no matter which songs...
I'm with Potttel on this one. Anything Marks play is heaven for me. Of course I have my own list of favorites and they are almost all of them. IMHO, die-hard fans (like us ) are certainly outnumbered by concert-goers that just want to go out and have a good time. They know a few famous songs and they expect them at the shows. SO, yes, concerts without good old DS songs could be detrimental to their well-beings. So, it's all right for Mark to throw in SOS, R&J, BIA, TR but really no " Wake of Life" though ! :lol
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I'm hoping the current setlist is the result of the 70 minute slot & will be filled out with a few DS tracks for Next year's "full" tour. I've heard Marbletown on each of the last 3 tours and although I think the live version is much better than the album track I think it's due to be "rested".
It's great that he is playing so many from the new album & I hope he continues that next year. I'll be seeing him in Newcastle so I'd expect he'll find room for Why Aye Man & Local Hero (or wild theme) when he plays there. along with with SoS, R&J & BIA
Ultimately, I'm sure he chooses based on what HE thinks his best songs are and which ones best utilise the instruments he has available.
Looking forward to seeing Guy on the Uke .
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I just wanna see him play, no matter which songs...
I'm with Potttel on this one. Anything Marks play is heaven for me. Of course I have my own list of favorites and they are almost all of them. IMHO, die-hard fans (like us ) are certainly outnumbered by concert-goers that just want to go out and have a good time. They know a few famous songs and they expect them at the shows. SO, yes, concerts without good old DS songs could be detrimental to their well-beings. So, it's all right for Mark to throw in SOS, R&J, BIA, TR but really no " Wake of Life" though ! :lol
I love Walk Of Life....... there I said it ;D
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It's a conundrum for many musicians, especially songwriters. I suspect most would prefer to play their more recent songs while the audience (whether "lifers", "one-nighters" or "in-betweeners") would like to hear the more (for want of a better word) "famous" songs. In the long run, if a musician merely panders to the "give us the old songs" brigade, the music will suffer. It must be kept fresh.
Additionally, the musician must be free to play just what he or she wants to play - new-old, short-long, old arrangement-new arrangement, whatever. If the musician feels uncomfortable with the material played live, the performance will suffer.
Personally, I'd prefer more variety in MK's set lists but it really is up to him.
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I would have no problem if this "say" concert would have a set list like this (material among this): Imelda, Golden Heart, Im the fool, Jesuis de sole, Baloney Again, Last Laugh, Silvertown Blues, Wanderlust, Wag The dog, Metroland, Why Aye Man, Hill Farmer's Blues, Old Pigweed, "5.15 A.M, Whoop De Doo, Sucker Row, The Scaffolder's Wife, Let It All Go, Madame Geneva, Border Reiver, Miss You Blues, Privateering, Seatle.....
I would have a problem with a show with only Straits songs if would have the same old overplayed songs.
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Hi folks,
Yes I am a big Mark fan, but it's been a very long time, since the last time I've seen him live.
You may say I lost track of Mark a bit the last few years (please forgive me for that.....), but recently you may say I have re-discovered him. That means I don't know, what his last tours were like.......
Regarding the question if I would be fine with a show without any Dire straits songs? Yes, personally I think I could do without those songs as Mark now has more than plenty of good solo material to choose from.
I personally am one of those people who goes to concerts to enjoy the music, but for many people it is a night out and they expect an artist to also play some of the well known big hits. So an artist always has to find a balance between hits. new material, other material and maybe even a few rare songs. Even as an artist, you simply can't please everyone.....
Maaike
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He has to play them this Fall :)
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I would have no problem if this "say" concert would have a set list like this (material among this): Imelda, Golden Heart, Im the fool, Jesuis de sole, Baloney Again, Last Laugh, Silvertown Blues, Wanderlust, Wag The dog, Metroland, Why Aye Man, Hill Farmer's Blues, Old Pigweed, "5.15 A.M, Whoop De Doo, Sucker Row, The Scaffolder's Wife, Let It All Go, Madame Geneva, Border Reiver, Miss You Blues, Privateering, Seatle.....
I would have a problem with a show with only Straits songs if would have the same old overplayed songs.
nice selection...
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Looks like yesterday, in the second date of this NA tour with Krusty, and if the setlists are correct, MK played his second concert without DS songs...
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Nicely observed! But still this is no regular show, he is just playing before BD. But could be a start. I guess someone is reading AMIT!
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Looks like yesterday, in the second date of this NA tour with Krusty, and if the setlists are correct, MK played his second concert without DS songs...
I don't know, I still think that set didn't include the encore which would be SFA.