A Mark In Time
Mark Knopfler Discussion => Mark Knopfler Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Jarle on January 28, 2013, 10:01:12 PM
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Hi!
Just found this answer on Guy's forum, and it made me dream of a Blu-ray recording from the Privateering tour. Now that would have been something 8)
Q: Hi Guy, I travelled to Toronto in November from Halifax for your show.I am sitting here watching the Real live Roadrunning DVD at home. I was wondering why MK doesn't record an other DVD. I really enjoy the casual atmosphere and the great music. For those of us in smaller places that don't often get visited would love to have a recording of one of the newer shows.
A: I'm sure we will put another one together soon, especially as we're now back doing our own show!
Can anyone here confirm that they have been hired to record one of the upcoming shows for a future release? Please? :P
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I dont believe a word.
It happened before, Guy said something like that and then, nothing.
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Maybe it is Guy that thinks it's a good idea, he tells us it could happen,
Then he discusses it with Mark and Mark says no,
But I think that Guy knows we want one, he thinks it's nice too, but Mark just don't like the idea at all,
I says something that Mark doesn't want Telegraph Road on the downloadable concert from Privateering
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I thought that Telegraph losed his magic when MK decided to put so many cittern parts instead of his electric, and he might had noticed that listening to it, or maybe he just decided that its time to put it on rest.
Personally I won
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We know how it works. Guy is very friendly, open minded, full of goodwill but there's another guy who decides whether he should press the Big Red Button.
Indeed that particular guy has a desk with 5 big red buttons labelled "Tunnel of Love", "Silvertown Blues", "DVD/BR", "live recording" and "DS Reunion".
Nothing to expect from him.
Of course it looks like Guy knows it gonna happen this time. :-\ Like always. ::)
I can only speculate but all roads lead to Montreux on July 20. ;)
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With regards to Montreux (and any other festivals) when they are filmed for the festival purposes it changes matters and I think basically rules out that concert for a filmed official DVD. In my opinion, PCM, MK and the band would rather have their own crew doing the filming. They would be using more cameras too for more angles and also more intimate cameras on the instruments that wouldn't be there if it was filmed as part of the festival. They could make for some bonus material though.
I think the best bet would be the RAH because they could film a couple of nights in the same venue, wearing the same clothes (no problem there ;D) and merge the two if there are any mistakes.
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With regards to Montreux (and any other festivals) when they are filmed for the festival purposes it changes matters and I think basically rules out that concert for a filmed official DVD. In my opinion, PCM, MK and the band would rather have their own crew doing the filming. They would be using more cameras too for more angles and also more intimate cameras on the instruments that wouldn't be there if it was filmed as part of the festival. They could make for some bonus material though.
I think the best bet would be the RAH because they could film a couple of nights in the same venue, wearing the same clothes (no problem there ;D) and merge the two if there are any mistakes.
I do agree with you, the RAH would be ideal for such a project, but I assume there would be a huge licence fee to pay to the RAH first.
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With regards to Montreux (and any other festivals) when they are filmed for the festival purposes it changes matters and I think basically rules out that concert for a filmed official DVD. In my opinion, PCM, MK and the band would rather have their own crew doing the filming. They would be using more cameras too for more angles and also more intimate cameras on the instruments that wouldn't be there if it was filmed as part of the festival. They could make for some bonus material though.
I think the best bet would be the RAH because they could film a couple of nights in the same venue, wearing the same clothes (no problem there ;D) and merge the two if there are any mistakes.
I do agree with you, the RAH would be ideal for such a project, but I assume there would be a huge licence fee to pay to the RAH first.
Guy has said before the fee charged by The RAH makes a DVD being filmed their not viable.
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With regards to Montreux (and any other festivals) when they are filmed for the festival purposes it changes matters and I think basically rules out that concert for a filmed official DVD. In my opinion, PCM, MK and the band would rather have their own crew doing the filming. They would be using more cameras too for more angles and also more intimate cameras on the instruments that wouldn't be there if it was filmed as part of the festival. They could make for some bonus material though.
I think the best bet would be the RAH because they could film a couple of nights in the same venue, wearing the same clothes (no problem there ;D) and merge the two if there are any mistakes.
I do agree with you, the RAH would be ideal for such a project, but I assume there would be a huge licence fee to pay to the RAH first.
Guy has said before the fee charged by The RAH makes a DVD being filmed their not viable.
David Gilmour, Joe Bonamassa, Adele, even David Bisbal had released a dvd live at the RAH.
Does it means MK is poorer in comparation with them, or that he doesn
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These people never have any plan about anything. The tour is starting in 3 months and we still don't know if there is something to expect. I'm gonna ask PCM tonight. I've delayed that moment to stay nice but enough is enough. ;-)
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With PCM, passive not active management is the name of the game. :disbelief But, hey - he wears loud jackets! ::)
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Is he did something helpful for MK's career? Look at EC, his fans has a lot of dvd or something like that. Even more than one for every tour. Like dmg said he is way too passive manager. Ed Bicknell is missing.
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Is he did something helpful for MK's career? Look at EC, his fans has a lot of dvd or something like that. Even more than one for every tour. Like dmg said he is way too passive manager. Ed Bicknell is missing.
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Ed was the man. I think he kept Mark's game up, if you know what I mean. MK is getting way too comfortable these days, musically speaking.
No new ideas, bad decisions, horrific product marketing and badly designed tours are all becoming trademarks of PCM unfortunately. Personally, I think MK deserves better and still miss Ed.
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Is he did something helpful for MK's career? Look at EC, his fans has a lot of dvd or something like that. Even more than one for every tour. Like dmg said he is way too passive manager. Ed Bicknell is missing.
:thumbsup
Ed was the man. I think he kept Mark's game up, if you know what I mean. MK is getting way too comfortable these days, musically speaking.
No new ideas, bad decisions, horrific product marketing and badly designed tours are all becoming trademarks of PCM unfortunately. Personally, I think MK deserves better and still miss Ed.
Too comfortable? 2013 will be the 4th year in a row MK has been on tour and he has released his first double album too! Remember all the years between albums when Ed was manager? Five years between BIA and OES and another six years between OES and GH! I think MK is much more active latterly, although I agree that a DVD is way overdue! :)
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Exactly he is not God he can't be true everytime, every matter. He need somebody to tell him, ''there's another way and this is not good for you'' or something like that. And i have seriously doubt the man is Paul Crockford. WE have always so much confusion about touring, album session, recording, policy... Actually we don't know anything about anything and nobody asking us to know what we want! I f this is a good management i have no words about it. We need a offical concert dvd. MK have many fans from the whole world, not just North America and Europe.
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Is he did something helpful for MK's career? Look at EC, his fans has a lot of dvd or something like that. Even more than one for every tour. Like dmg said he is way too passive manager. Ed Bicknell is missing.
:thumbsup
Ed was the man. I think he kept Mark's game up, if you know what I mean. MK is getting way too comfortable these days, musically speaking.
No new ideas, bad decisions, horrific product marketing and badly designed tours are all becoming trademarks of PCM unfortunately. Personally, I think MK deserves better and still miss Ed.
Too comfortable? 2013 will be the 4th year in a row MK has been on tour and he has released his first double album too! Remember all the years between albums when Ed was manager? Five years between BIA and OES and another six years between OES and GH! I think MK is much more active latterly, although I agree that a DVD is way overdue! :)
Don't you think Dire Straits and all the fame is the reason of that? And superval i am just saying but we talking about BIA,OES not KTGC :) We can't see the matter with objective eyes because we're all in MK boat; but from the outside MK's career and reputation is not getting higher i think.
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Is he did something helpful for MK's career? Look at EC, his fans has a lot of dvd or something like that. Even more than one for every tour. Like dmg said he is way too passive manager. Ed Bicknell is missing.
:thumbsup
Ed was the man. I think he kept Mark's game up, if you know what I mean. MK is getting way too comfortable these days, musically speaking.
No new ideas, bad decisions, horrific product marketing and badly designed tours are all becoming trademarks of PCM unfortunately. Personally, I think MK deserves better and still miss Ed.
Too comfortable? 2013 will be the 4th year in a row MK has been on tour and he has released his first double album too! Remember all the years between albums when Ed was manager? Five years between BIA and OES and another six years between OES and GH! I think MK is much more active latterly, although I agree that a DVD is way overdue! :)
[Raising my shield for protection ;)] I was really meaning quality rather than quantity of work. I don't think that Ed had anything to do with the output from Mark at this time anyway.
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Is he did something helpful for MK's career? Look at EC, his fans has a lot of dvd or something like that. Even more than one for every tour. Like dmg said he is way too passive manager. Ed Bicknell is missing.
:thumbsup
Ed was the man. I think he kept Mark's game up, if you know what I mean. MK is getting way too comfortable these days, musically speaking.
No new ideas, bad decisions, horrific product marketing and badly designed tours are all becoming trademarks of PCM unfortunately. Personally, I think MK deserves better and still miss Ed.
Too comfortable? 2013 will be the 4th year in a row MK has been on tour and he has released his first double album too! Remember all the years between albums when Ed was manager? Five years between BIA and OES and another six years between OES and GH! I think MK is much more active latterly, although I agree that a DVD is way overdue! :)
[Raising my shield for protection ;)] I was really meaning quality rather than quantity of work. I don't think that Ed had anything to do with the output from Mark at this time anyway.
:lol ! Well, the only solo album released when Ed was manager was GH and maybe STP to some extent, so do you think the quality of the rest of the solo albums has deteriorated since?
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Yes.
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Yes.
How? Can you be more specific? It is true that MK's post DS days are very different from what we'd been used to but I don't see that the quality of his music has deteriorated. Certainly, he doesn't put on the "guitar extravaganzas" he used to, but I for one am a bit relieved that those have been put to rest. I am not a musician so I can't analyze the quality of what he delivers, but I know what I like - and I like more of his post DS music than I like of his DS era.
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Yes.
How? Can you be more specific? It is true that MK's post DS days are very different from what we'd been used to but I don't see that the quality of his music has deteriorated. Certainly, he doesn't put on the "guitar extravaganzas" he used to, but I for one am a bit relieved that those have been put to rest. I am not a musician so I can't analyze the quality of what he delivers, but I know what I like - and I like more of his post DS music than I like of his DS era.
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Well, I fell in love with MFN as soon as I heard that opening solo and that was me hooked. The guitar work is what made DS stand out most of all from the crowd, along with the distinctive vocals and deep lyrics. Now that he has abandoned his best asset, for reasons best known to himself, I feel his albums have a little less to offer. STP was the last guitar focused album IMO and also the last one when Ed was manager. Perhaps Ed encouraged this angle, perhaps not. They're still great though!
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[Raising my shield for protection ;)] I was really meaning quality rather than quantity of work. I don't think that Ed had anything to do with the output from Mark at this time anyway.
In my opinion, of course he did! Exactly like dmg says, "The guitar work is what made DS stand out most of all". The STP is my most favourite MK album because it has a great guitar. It was around this time when Ed wanted MK to revive DS, and this album was most DS-ish, so it would have been the perfect time. And I bet Ed had some say into what songs should go on the album. But MK got "tired" of DS and kissed Ed goodbye.
And I also think that Ed plyed a very important part in DS history, he has a huge credit in making DS probably the most succesful band in the 80s.
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I agree that Ed played an important role in the success of DS. He definitely knows what makes for commercial success! But were the DS years the fulfillment of MK's dream or Ed's?
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I agree that Ed played an important role in the success of DS. He definitely knows what makes for commercial success! But were the DS years the fulfillment of MK's dream or Ed's?
I doubt it's ever been Mark's dream to be hugely successful. Success is meant for him. There's absolutely no doubts about Mark's talents both in song writing and guitar playing. Him and the band were at the right place and at the right time. Lucks perhaps played some parts for the band's success.
What if we send a petition to PC for a live DVD ? Do you think that might get his attention? After all not only many fans in NA, but also around the world will be left out from this tour, a live DVD will certainly compensates for it.
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I would also say Ed did a better job than PC.
Musically, there's no possible comparison.
Obviously it's Mark's decision to play "different styles" and PC is very happy with that whereas EB was probably not. Easy conclusion.
To be fair, we should say that MK is still touring and PC is part of the story. Maybe without PC , MK would be retired. Who knows ?
For what else should we credit PCM ?
Pre-sales ? Yeah that's a great thing for 99% people. Sadly there's 1% who think it's not working well and don't trust PCM anymore.
Tour dates and venues ? Well, I've said enough on that. It's a disaster.
Marketing ? The way they release different boxes, different versions, different prices is just disgusting.
Recording policy ? Another great idea....
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I always thought that the difference between Ed and Paul as managers is that Ed was the one guiding MK, and Paul is the one guided by MK.
So yes, this management is more comfortable for MK, because Paul does whatever MK wants, and Paul doesnt push MK about doing this or that.
Ed was better for fans, as MK
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.....and "Ragpickers" is probably still my favourite solo album! MK is obviously very fond of it too, since he has played so many of the songs live. ;)
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.....and "Ragpickers" is probably still my favourite solo album! MK is obviously very fond of it too, since he has played so many of the songs live. ;)
Mine too.
Actually, I don
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Thanks jbaent! MK seems much happier these days too! :)
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Thanks jbaent! MK seems much happier these days too! :)
Yes, but there is something that I really miss...
Before, when he got a really great and killer song, that song was not only released, but also the single. Now, as most of his songs are more low profile (in terms of kind of song, more quiet, celtic or folk kinda song) most of that killer songs doesn
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I seem to recall that there were more songs left out from STP, and Mark wasn't happy about it at all.
He liked those songs, I read somewhere Red Staggerwing was one and the other one I haven't heard but I can't recall the name!
Does somebody know?
And jbaent, what song do you mean from the Get Lucky sessions?
And I do agree with that Mark's seems a little scared to sound like the old guitar rocking superstar back in the days,
But I'm sure he could!
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Whether or not we would have had different types of songs on the records is debatable; it may just be the direction Mark's music has taken. Remember there was no McCusker ::) or McGoldrick ::) in the band in those glorious 8) days when managed by Ed.
Regarding PCM: after careful deliberation and on the account of what I've read on this very forum I'm beginning to think that they do a terrible job for the fans:
1. Run from Toronto when he's a UK artist with his strongest fan base in Europe. This is a bonkers decision and the only reason can be to reduce costs.
2. Botched release of Privateering album in USA.
3. Pre-sale of concert tickets mis-handled in that the buyer is totally unaware of what seat they have just bought. Pot luck. My Dad was on the internet (thinking of going to a London concert) and could have bought a ticket in the arena section on Tuesday night knowing where his seat was!
4. Release of concert dates should be all-at-once and finalised. Not in "bits and bobs." How can people organise holidays, go to multiple concerts or know if they have a home concert at all.
5. The box sets. Maybe if they were sending them from Europe to ROW and Toronto to North/South America then that would have made it easier, but must have been a nightmare for those who ordered through the official site.
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The Getlucky killer song was mentioned in this dairy entry
http://www.guyfletcher.co.uk/index.php/getluckyrecording2009/October_30th
Guy was asked about it in his forum many times and he answered that the track was never released
"Red Staggerwing" and "Donkeytown" were in the version that it was supposed to be the definiive STP, but there were many discussions in the record company about it (I remember Giancarlo Passarella talking in the TR Mailing List about very complicated meetings about it with the record company), and I guess also with Ed, and in the end, that songs were left out, and we had two different versions, one for the US with "Do America" instead "One more matinee" and, the other way around for the rest of the world, except the UK, that had both songs...
The known list of left out tracks for that record is quite extensive, as many titles had been mentioned by MK in many interviews, so I guess he was very upset about that tracks left out for one reason or another. I heard some of the titles in some interviews, I read about anothers, and some were played (Pyroman) or considered to be played (Bonafide) live.
This is the list:
Lets see you (bonus track)
Long highway (bonus track)
Camerado (bonus track)
Pyroman (played live)
Bonafide (considered to be played live, but never performed)
Red Staggerwing (used later in "All the roadrunning)
Donkeytown (used later in "All the roadrunning)
You are not even gone
Don
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From Guy
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Long Highway's an old one; it was performed in Dublin on 23rd August 1991 for the first time remember. If Ed was responsible for that being dropped then he was an even better judge than I thought! Go Ed!! ;D
It would be really interesting to have an album or even tour now without John and Mike in the band... One thing's for sure - Ed would never have approved of these guys joining the touring band.
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Long Highway's an old one; it was performed in Dublin on 23rd August 1991 for the first time remember. If Ed was responsible for that being dropped then he was an even better judge than I thought! Go Ed!! ;D
It would be really interesting to have an album or even tour now without John and Mike in the band... One thing's for sure - Ed would never have approved of these guys joining the touring band.
I could do without Mike, one too many folkies for my liking.
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Long Highway's an old one; it was performed in Dublin on 23rd August 1991 for the first time remember. If Ed was responsible for that being dropped then he was an even better judge than I thought! Go Ed!! ;D
It would be really interesting to have an album or even tour now without John and Mike in the band... One thing's for sure - Ed would never have approved of these guys joining the touring band.
I could do without Mike, one too many folkies for my liking.
I've often thought that too. John's there for the fiddle parts in WII etc. Mike just "gets used" in songs when he really isn't required.
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Long Highway's an old one; it was performed in Dublin on 23rd August 1991 for the first time remember. If Ed was responsible for that being dropped then he was an even better judge than I thought! Go Ed!! ;D
It would be really interesting to have an album or even tour now without John and Mike in the band... One thing's for sure - Ed would never have approved of these guys joining the touring band.
I could do without Mike, one too many folkies for my liking.
I've often thought that too. John's there for the fiddle parts in WII etc. Mike just "gets used" in songs when he really isn't required.
I thought that too.
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Well I love John and Mike in the band and I will miss them very much when or if they eventually leave! :(
Anyway, I will be seeing both of them again next Monday in Gateshead at Transatlantic Sessions with lots of people like Jerry Douglas, ali Bain, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Danny Thompson, Karen Mathieson and Eddi Reader to name but a few! :D
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interesting story Jbaent!!!
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Thanks jbaent!
Bonafide was the song I ment.
A shame we don
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Well, I dream that someday all this leftovers will happilly take part in a sensational boxset with all DS/MK collection, plus one or two discs of unreleased songs... Is it too much to ask?
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Well, I dream that someday all this leftovers will happilly take part in a sensational boxset with all DS/MK collection, plus one or two discs of unreleased songs... Is it too much to ask?
I guess it is.
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Quote dmg: "Long Highway's an old one; it was performed in Dublin on 23rd August 1991 for the first time remember. If Ed was responsible for that being dropped then he was an even better judge than I thought! Go Ed!! ;D"
Ooohhhh Long Highway is one of my favourites! :o I love that song and it is at the top of my list of songs that need to be played at my ceremony......(well I hope that will take a long time let's say 30/40 years! ;D)
I also hope we will have a DVD of the 2013 tour. Not only because when I watch, great memories will be back, but also for the people who are not able to attend the concerts! ;)
Fieneke
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Ooohhhh Long Highway is one of my favourites! :o I love that song and it is at the top of my list of songs that need to be played at my ceremony......(well I hope that will take a long time let's say 30/40 years! ;D)
Fieneke
I might have ToL from Uniondale 11.10.85 and have everyone sitting there for over 24 minutes in silence! He, he! ;D
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Ooohhhh Long Highway is one of my favourites! :o I love that song and it is at the top of my list of songs that need to be played at my ceremony......(well I hope that will take a long time let's say 30/40 years! ;D)
Fieneke
I might have ToL from Uniondale 11.10.85 and have everyone sitting there for over 24 minutes in silence! He, he! ;D
Good idea.
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